Boating chit chat thread.

Stheno · 18-01-2019 8:49pm

neris wrote: »

Mount Gay, ginger beer, slice of lemon. Seems like a good idea at the time. The next day tends to disagree

What's the one that features in Cork week?

neris · 18-01-2019 9:00pm

Stheno wrote: »

What's the one that features in Cork week?

Mount Gay & coke?

neris · 21-02-2019 3:22pm

Waterways Ireland intends to dispose, by public tender, of a number of vessels removed from the Grand Canal at Shannon Harbour, Tullamore, Barrow Navigation, Killaloe Canal and Shannon Bridge.

Twelve vessels are presently stored on the South Bank of the Grand Canal adjacent to the Transit Shed in Shannon Harbour. One vessel is stored in Fenniscourt on the Barrow Navigation and other vessels are stored in Ballyleague and Munster Harbour, Portumna.

https://afloat.ie/inland/inland-waterways/item/41821-waterways-ireland-to-hold-sale-of-craft-removed-from-grand-canal

Steve · 22-02-2019 12:42am

Cant wait to see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAaXRpdWXXo

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8879946/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

:cool:

Sure if it was easy the wimmins would be doing it....

mmm.

AndyBoBandy · 22-02-2019 9:47am

Steve wrote: »

Cant wait to see this:

I've seen the trailer popping up on Facebook, looks like it will be an excellent watch.

neris · 22-02-2019 10:53am

On the 25th at 615pm in the lighthouse cinema. 30 years later and she's still trying to dineout on that 1 race. She pops up every once in a while with some plan that never goes anywhere

https://www.diff.ie/festival/film/maiden?fbclid=IwAR036w17a8hjTF57wFyixIOW8LsKkHR3z9fJWs4jLzK_BKkotudk62yx1YM

Steve wrote: »

Cant wait to see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAaXRpdWXXo

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8879946/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

:cool:

Sure if it was easy the wimmins would be doing it....

mmm.

pedroeibar1 · 22-02-2019 1:24pm

Angela Heath was part of that crew?

BowWow · 22-02-2019 3:03pm

neris wrote: »

30 years later and she's still trying to dineout on that 1 race. She pops up every once in a while with some plan that never goes anywhere

neris, you have to let go of the hurt

neris · 23-02-2019 10:37pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAN8RkYyf9c

neris · 23-02-2019 10:39pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DSvnPccpps

Thanos · 01-03-2019 10:38am

I assume this is going to affect a lot of folks on here

https://www.waterwaysireland.org/news-centre/news/261/prohibition-on-use-of-marked-gas-oil--on-personal-pleasure-craft-from-1st-jan-2020

I am guessing that when you pull up to any places that sell in 2020 (Silver Line, Carric Craft, other) their pumps will only be pumping out normal diesel from then on.

There is some difference in price, that will add up over the year

spaceHopper · 08-03-2019 12:16pm

Road diesel has bio additives which feed bacteria and grow sludge which clogs engine filters. It's not the best move and what are you losing in tax, sweet FA. This is a case of bonkers EU rules going to far.

https://www.metstrade.com/news/articles/what-have-they-done-to-our-diesel/

neris · 09-03-2019 11:49am

could barely land a remote control chopper on my boat never mind give it a hanger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJK1j5cA-Y

W1ll1s · 17-03-2019 7:06pm

Coming to you very soon ~ NO Green Diesel for Irish leisure boaters ~ EU Rules

Should get the rule makers to try and fill a 400ltr tank here in Ireland...

https://afloat.ie/resources/news-update/item/40909-green-diesel-yachting-leisure-boating

AndyBoBandy · 17-03-2019 7:52pm

Thankfully I’ve only a 25 litre tank which gives me about 10-12 hours of motoring from my little Volvo Penta 2002!

Still though, typical! Buy a boat and within a year we lose green diesel!!

the beer revolu · 18-03-2019 9:48am

I think that the vast majority of people who don't own boats (most people) would be shocked at the idea that, previously, leisure boaters could legally use green diesel while they pay full duty price for diesel to drive to work.

Or explain to a taxi or truck driver that they have to pay full duty but it's not fair of the EU to make you pay duty for your days pottering about in boats.

Is there really a reasonable argument for letting leisure boats use green diesel?
I love boats but I've never understood why it was allowed.

DOCARCH · 19-03-2019 11:43am

the beer revolu wrote: »

Is there really a reasonable argument for letting leisure boats use green diesel?

Interesting one alright!

The only thing that jumped into my head, straight away, was Charles Haughey and his yacht, Celtic Mist. No doubt a diesel guzzler.

I wonder did that have anything to do with it?

Tabnabs · 19-03-2019 11:58am

Some very senior civil servants are keen boat owners. A big reason these things get left alone for so long...

Steve · 20-03-2019 1:15am

the beer revolu wrote: »

Or explain to a taxi or truck driver that they have to pay full duty but it's not fair of the EU to make you pay duty for your days pottering about in boats.

Taxi and other commercial road users pay full duty on Diesel, no? Only difference is they can claim VAT back.

The only ones allowed non dutied oil are commercial fishermen, ferries, tugs and farmers.

Pottering about on a small boat, you might use maybe 100l of fuel in a year. Compare that to a Dublin port tug using 200l per hour...

Just another excuse to tax the little guy using the environment as an excuse whilst ignoring the corporate and state usage.

the beer revolu · 20-03-2019 3:13pm

Steve wrote: »

Just another excuse to tax the little guy using the environment as an excuse whilst ignoring the corporate and state usage.

Can I have some tax relief on my skiing holidays?
I only go once a year.

AndyBoBandy · 20-03-2019 4:50pm

In fairness it's hardly going to be noticeable to the sailers of the country, but the power boaters will certainly feel the pinch!

I bet Conor McGregor is regretting upgrading to that big f*** o** Prestige 750 now!!

Steve · 20-03-2019 6:06pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Can I have some tax relief on my skiing holidays?
I only go once a year.

If it's a corporate outing then yes, you can write it off, if you are paying personally then you're screwed...

Same goes with boating, I am aware of plenty of examples of commercially run small motor yachts - easy to spot because they will have a notice on the side saying 'licensed to carry up to 12 passengers".

They can claim VAT back on running costs and maintenance an fuel, only have to be able to prove a few charters a year to maintain it. 12 pax limit also means they do not come under the Merchant shipping act.

I suspect, under the new laws they will also continue to be able to use non excised fuel.

Steve · 20-03-2019 6:11pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I bet Conor McGregor is regretting upgrading to that big f*** o** Prestige 750 now!!

Given he is paying for a full time skipper to look after it and the mini flotilla of jetskis tied up in the next-door marina berth, I don't really think it would bother him... he could always run it on whiskey

10pennymixup · 20-03-2019 7:06pm

Steve wrote: »

I....................................................................

I suspect, under the new laws they will also continue to be able to use non excised fuel.

I don't know about water taxi's and the like, but if the end use is pleasure then the operator is liable to pay the full rate.

I can't speak for all hire boat companies/ tour companies and similar, but some have been self declaring the usage and paying the full rate since it's inception back in 2008 (or was it 2009?).

neris · 23-03-2019 12:43pm

Support boat anyone

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-23/a-50-million-boat-for-the-toys-you-can-t-fit-on-your-yacht?srnd=premium-europe

Steve · 24-03-2019 11:21am

neris wrote: »

Support boat anyone

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-23/a-50-million-boat-for-the-toys-you-can-t-fit-on-your-yacht?srnd=premium-europe

only $50M????

I want two...:pac:

Thanos · 08-04-2019 1:44pm

Just wondering if anybody knows if the poolboy lock has been made automatic yet?

Went through it last year and was talking to the lock keeper who said it was being upgraded over the winter but could not find any info to that affect.

neris · 08-04-2019 3:30pm

neris · 12-04-2019 11:48am

Times where they should just scrap ECHO. Its never worked properly and probably never will.

ICRA supports and promotes the ISA policy of dual scoring at all its events. An ECHO certificate is mandatory for all entrants from Ireland. An ECHO rating may be assigned to boats with IRC certificates from other areas.

ECHO racing may be more approachable for new entrants to racing, may encourage boats who do not have the time or resources to compete at the top level and should ensure that more boats have an interest in results as the regatta nears its end.

ECHO however works best when applied to a constant fleet which always races together. It is more problematic when applied to a disparate fleet such as is found at a national event.

Currently at the ICRA Nationals we start all boats at their standard ECHO rating which is usually within a few points of the IRC rating. In practice this means that the leading boats on IRC are nearly always the winners on ECHO as well. This is not in keeping with our policy on events.

PROPOSED ECHO RATING MECHANISM
In order to assign suitable ratings to boats a number of assumptions will have to be made:

The standard of racing at events around the country is reasonably similar.
Boats are doing their best in each race.
An owner with a new boat is performing at the same level as in their previous boat.
Visiting boats (eg from the UK) are taken to be high performance teams unless previous data from listed events is available.
U25 teams are rated at the standard ECHO for their boat.
Irish boats for which no data is available will be assigned the standard ECHO rating for their boat plus 2.5%.

https://cruiserracing.ie/technical/echo-handicap/

Steve · 16-04-2019 10:59pm

neris wrote: »

Times where they should just scrap ECHO. Its never worked properly and probably never will.

https://cruiserracing.ie/technical/echo-handicap/

As your quote says, it only works at local level, I agree with that. It has no place in a top level event.

neris · 17-04-2019 9:46pm

Steve wrote: »

As your quote says, it only works at local level, I agree with that. It has no place in a top level event.

Local being within a club. I don't know anyone who goes to an event looking to win echo. They go to either won irc or do their best in irc with a placing in mind that they'd be happy with. We had a boat in our club that was so far back on the local echo that even when the handicap was reduced dramatically they weren't even getting decent results

Steve · 26-04-2019 10:16pm

Tomorrows ISORA cancelled, takes a lot for that. Normally they'd send you off in 30kts.

neris · 27-04-2019 8:21am

Bit more them 30 knots and it's not the 1980s

Steve wrote: »

Tomorrows ISORA cancelled, takes a lot for that. Normally they'd send you off in 30kts.

The Black Oil · 05-05-2019 11:22pm

Close call. :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-aJCSxdE4

the beer revolu · 08-05-2019 12:49pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

Close call. :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-aJCSxdE4

No kill cord, no life jacket.
That guy did not deserve to get his boat back.

Almost never see people wearing buoyancy aids in US video. Is it not in the culture?
In the 70s here we weren't allowed on a boat without a buoyancy aid.

pedroeibar1 · 09-05-2019 12:29pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

No kill cord, no life jacket.
That guy did not deserve to get his boat back.

Almost never see people wearing buoyancy aids in US video. Is it not in the culture?
In the 70s here we weren't allowed on a boat without a buoyancy aid.

In Dublin Bay (cruisers) of the late 1960’s early ‘70’s it was considered ‘best practice’ to have PFDs on board. Few boats had enough for all, they were worn rarely, mainly at night or on deck in very heavy weather. From memory it was ISORA requirements (big fleet in 1970's) that pushed the safety aspect with throwing lines, Danbuoys, liferaft, etc., followed by the Fastnet Enquiry recommendations at the end of that decade. Perry's in DL used to service them for commercial craft. Admiralty Pattern PFDs, dating to about 1950!

In the US the laws on PFDs are both Federal and State, with some variation by State and while there must be one aboard for everyone, as a general rule wearing one is only mandatory for children under 6 – 12yrs. when outside a cabin - age varies by State. Car seatbelt use in the US also was strange - in the 1990's a car salesman said to me 'You Europeans always wear the belts".

neris · 09-05-2019 12:41pm

In fairness PFDs in the 60s 70s and 80s werent exactly fashionable or practical either. Big bulky bright orange yokes and if you were really unlucky it had a big feck off collar that acted more like a neck brace that you prayed didnt get caught in the boom. I remember when I started cruiser racing in the mid 90s hardly anyone wearing lifejackets or PFDs although boats had them on board some of those boats had owners or crew who were pilots for a certain national airline and the lifejackets would have been liberated from a 747 just incase

pedroeibar1 · 09-05-2019 6:15pm

neris wrote: »

..... although boats had them on board some of those boats had owners or crew who were pilots for a certain national airline and the lifejackets would have been liberated from a 747 just incase

or got 'beyond date' ones from a certain contact when liferafts were being serviced - this one is still airtight and was obtained +/- 50 years ago. (don't look at the rust on the belt-ring!

neris · 16-05-2019 1:31pm

Steve · 16-05-2019 9:47pm

neris wrote: »

In fairness PFDs in the 60s 70s and 80s werent exactly fashionable or practical either. Big bulky bright orange yokes and if you were really unlucky it had a big feck off collar that acted more like a neck brace that you prayed didnt get caught in the boom. I remember when I started cruiser racing in the mid 90s hardly anyone wearing lifejackets or PFDs although boats had them on board some of those boats had owners or crew who were pilots for a certain national airline and the lifejackets would have been liberated from a 747 just incase

When I was brought out on a boat in the '70s as a kid, nobody wore PFDs. Very few who sailed could swim either.

Not being able to swim was a great reason to not fall off the boat and has stood to me to this day.

Stheno · 16-05-2019 10:12pm

Steve wrote: »

When I was brought out on a boat in the '70s as a kid, nobody wore PFDs. Very few who sailed could swim either.

Not being able to swim was a great reason to not fall off the boat and has stood to me to this day.

Hmm I distinctly remember you falling overboard only to be saved by spinny sheets

Steve · 16-05-2019 11:10pm

Stheno wrote: »

Hmm I distinctly remember you falling overboard only to be saved by spinny sheets

Technically, I was 'on' the water, not in it.

Kite surfing....

Didn't even get my smokes wet... :pac::D

juke · 16-05-2019 11:12pm

Steve wrote: »

Technically, I was 'on' the water, not in it.

Kite surfing....

Didn't even get my smokes wet... :pac::D

Hmmm. What about the boots being full?

Steve · 16-05-2019 11:18pm

juke wrote: »

Hmmm. What about the boots being full?

Minor detail. :pac:

the beer revolu · 17-05-2019 11:26am

Funny on the DFD thing.

My dad had boats with outboards for as long as I can remember.
My dad was not the greatest mariner and got himself into all sorts of scrapes due to his cavalier attitude and slight lack of boating knowledge.
However, he and anyone in his boat always wore lijejackets. This is going back to the 70s.

In the 80s sailing dingys, pfds were not optional.

I guess because I grew up always wearing one and always seeing adults wear them, I'm genuinely shocked when I see people on small boats not using PFDs.

On another note:
It's waaaaaay too long since I've been sailing.
Finally got myself organised to go racing in Dublin Bay tomorrow.
Forecast is for eff all wind:(

HeidiHeidi · 19-05-2019 1:21pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Funny on the DFD thing.

My dad had boats with outboards for as long as I can remember.
My dad was not the greatest mariner and got himself into all sorts of scrapes due to his cavalier attitude and slight lack of boating knowledge.
However, he and anyone in his boat always wore lijejackets. This is going back to the 70s.

In the 80s sailing dingys, pfds were not optional.

I guess because I grew up always wearing one and always seeing adults wear them, I'm genuinely shocked when I see people on small boats not using PFDs.

On another note:
It's waaaaaay too long since I've been sailing.
Finally got myself organised to go racing in Dublin Bay tomorrow.
Forecast is for eff all wind:(

The wind held up for you in the end!!

How did you get on? Bit chilly I'd say!!

neris · 25-05-2019 10:15am

out for a cycle up howth head this morning and flat as a pancake all over the bay, had to feel for the isora fleet I could see off in the distance floating of dun laoghaire in a giant hole

AndyBoBandy · 25-05-2019 11:20am

Its due to pick up later in the afternoon to around 10 kts or so, so was going to head out (need to wait til 1pm for tide) for an afternoon spin, but a bit os sunshine would be nice to go with the 'lovely' temperatures we are having.

Where's todays Isora going?

HeidiHeidi · 25-05-2019 12:05pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Its due to pick up later in the afternoon to around 10 kts or so, so was going to head out (need to wait til 1pm for tide) for an afternoon spin, but a bit os sunshine would be nice to go with the 'lovely' temperatures we are having.

Where's todays Isora going?

Down around the Codling marks, back up to Kish, and past a virtual mark in to the harbour mouth to finish. Against the tide both ways, poor sods. At least the wind is due to pick up for the afternoon.

HeidiHeidi · 25-05-2019 12:09pm

From the tracker at midday.

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