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Boating chit chat thread.

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    neris wrote: »
    Mount Gay, ginger beer, slice of lemon. Seems like a good idea at the time. The next day tends to disagree

    What's the one that features in Cork week?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Stheno wrote: »
    What's the one that features in Cork week?

    Mount Gay & coke?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Waterways Ireland intends to dispose, by public tender, of a number of vessels removed from the Grand Canal at Shannon Harbour, Tullamore, Barrow Navigation, Killaloe Canal and Shannon Bridge.

    Twelve vessels are presently stored on the South Bank of the Grand Canal adjacent to the Transit Shed in Shannon Harbour. One vessel is stored in Fenniscourt on the Barrow Navigation and other vessels are stored in Ballyleague and Munster Harbour, Portumna.


    https://afloat.ie/inland/inland-waterways/item/41821-waterways-ireland-to-hold-sale-of-craft-removed-from-grand-canal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Cant wait to see this:



    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8879946/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    :cool:


    Sure if it was easy the wimmins would be doing it....


    mmm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Steve wrote: »
    Cant wait to see this:

    I've seen the trailer popping up on Facebook, looks like it will be an excellent watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    On the 25th at 615pm in the lighthouse cinema. 30 years later and she's still trying to dineout on that 1 race. She pops up every once in a while with some plan that never goes anywhere

    https://www.diff.ie/festival/film/maiden?fbclid=IwAR036w17a8hjTF57wFyixIOW8LsKkHR3z9fJWs4jLzK_BKkotudk62yx1YM

    Steve wrote: »
    Cant wait to see this:



    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8879946/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    :cool:


    Sure if it was easy the wimmins would be doing it....


    mmm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Angela Heath was part of that crew?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭BowWow


    neris wrote: »
    30 years later and she's still trying to dineout on that 1 race. She pops up every once in a while with some plan that never goes anywhere

    neris, you have to let go of the hurt :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Thanos


    I assume this is going to affect a lot of folks on here

    https://www.waterwaysireland.org/news-centre/news/261/prohibition-on-use-of-marked-gas-oil--on-personal-pleasure-craft-from-1st-jan-2020

    I am guessing that when you pull up to any places that sell in 2020 (Silver Line, Carric Craft, other) their pumps will only be pumping out normal diesel from then on.

    There is some difference in price, that will add up over the year :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Road diesel has bio additives which feed bacteria and grow sludge which clogs engine filters. It's not the best move and what are you losing in tax, sweet FA. This is a case of bonkers EU rules going to far.

    https://www.metstrade.com/news/articles/what-have-they-done-to-our-diesel/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    could barely land a remote control chopper on my boat never mind give it a hanger



  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭W1ll1s


    Coming to you very soon ~ NO Green Diesel for Irish leisure boaters ~ EU Rules

    Should get the rule makers to try and fill a 400ltr tank here in Ireland...

    https://afloat.ie/resources/news-update/item/40909-green-diesel-yachting-leisure-boating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Thankfully I’ve only a 25 litre tank which gives me about 10-12 hours of motoring from my little Volvo Penta 2002!

    Still though, typical! Buy a boat and within a year we lose green diesel!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I think that the vast majority of people who don't own boats (most people) would be shocked at the idea that, previously, leisure boaters could legally use green diesel while they pay full duty price for diesel to drive to work.

    Or explain to a taxi or truck driver that they have to pay full duty but it's not fair of the EU to make you pay duty for your days pottering about in boats.

    Is there really a reasonable argument for letting leisure boats use green diesel?
    I love boats but I've never understood why it was allowed.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Is there really a reasonable argument for letting leisure boats use green diesel?

    Interesting one alright!

    The only thing that jumped into my head, straight away, was Charles Haughey and his yacht, Celtic Mist. No doubt a diesel guzzler.

    I wonder did that have anything to do with it?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Some very senior civil servants are keen boat owners. A big reason these things get left alone for so long...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Or explain to a taxi or truck driver that they have to pay full duty but it's not fair of the EU to make you pay duty for your days pottering about in boats.

    Taxi and other commercial road users pay full duty on Diesel, no? Only difference is they can claim VAT back.

    The only ones allowed non dutied oil are commercial fishermen, ferries, tugs and farmers.

    Pottering about on a small boat, you might use maybe 100l of fuel in a year. Compare that to a Dublin port tug using 200l per hour...

    Just another excuse to tax the little guy using the environment as an excuse whilst ignoring the corporate and state usage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Steve wrote: »

    Just another excuse to tax the little guy using the environment as an excuse whilst ignoring the corporate and state usage.

    Can I have some tax relief on my skiing holidays?
    I only go once a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    In fairness it's hardly going to be noticeable to the sailers of the country, but the power boaters will certainly feel the pinch!

    I bet Conor McGregor is regretting upgrading to that big f*** o** Prestige 750 now!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Can I have some tax relief on my skiing holidays?
    I only go once a year.

    If it's a corporate outing then yes, you can write it off, if you are paying personally then you're screwed...

    Same goes with boating, I am aware of plenty of examples of commercially run small motor yachts - easy to spot because they will have a notice on the side saying 'licensed to carry up to 12 passengers".

    They can claim VAT back on running costs and maintenance an fuel, only have to be able to prove a few charters a year to maintain it. 12 pax limit also means they do not come under the Merchant shipping act.

    I suspect, under the new laws they will also continue to be able to use non excised fuel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    I bet Conor McGregor is regretting upgrading to that big f*** o** Prestige 750 now!!
    Given he is paying for a full time skipper to look after it and the mini flotilla of jetskis tied up in the next-door marina berth, I don't really think it would bother him... he could always run it on whiskey :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭10pennymixup


    Steve wrote: »
    I....................................................................

    I suspect, under the new laws they will also continue to be able to use non excised fuel.

    I don't know about water taxi's and the like, but if the end use is pleasure then the operator is liable to pay the full rate.

    I can't speak for all hire boat companies/ tour companies and similar, but some have been self declaring the usage and paying the full rate since it's inception back in 2008 (or was it 2009?).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Thanos


    Just wondering if anybody knows if the poolboy lock has been made automatic yet?

    Went through it last year and was talking to the lock keeper who said it was being upgraded over the winter but could not find any info to that affect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Times where they should just scrap ECHO. Its never worked properly and probably never will.
    ICRA supports and promotes the ISA policy of dual scoring at all its events. An ECHO certificate is mandatory for all entrants from Ireland. An ECHO rating may be assigned to boats with IRC certificates from other areas.

    ECHO racing may be more approachable for new entrants to racing, may encourage boats who do not have the time or resources to compete at the top level and should ensure that more boats have an interest in results as the regatta nears its end.

    ECHO however works best when applied to a constant fleet which always races together. It is more problematic when applied to a disparate fleet such as is found at a national event.

    Currently at the ICRA Nationals we start all boats at their standard ECHO rating which is usually within a few points of the IRC rating. In practice this means that the leading boats on IRC are nearly always the winners on ECHO as well. This is not in keeping with our policy on events.

    PROPOSED ECHO RATING MECHANISM
    In order to assign suitable ratings to boats a number of assumptions will have to be made:

    The standard of racing at events around the country is reasonably similar.
    Boats are doing their best in each race.
    An owner with a new boat is performing at the same level as in their previous boat.
    Visiting boats (eg from the UK) are taken to be high performance teams unless previous data from listed events is available.
    U25 teams are rated at the standard ECHO for their boat.
    Irish boats for which no data is available will be assigned the standard ECHO rating for their boat plus 2.5%.


    https://cruiserracing.ie/technical/echo-handicap/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    neris wrote: »
    Times where they should just scrap ECHO. Its never worked properly and probably never will.




    https://cruiserracing.ie/technical/echo-handicap/

    As your quote says, it only works at local level, I agree with that. It has no place in a top level event.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Steve wrote: »
    As your quote says, it only works at local level, I agree with that. It has no place in a top level event.

    Local being within a club. I don't know anyone who goes to an event looking to win echo. They go to either won irc or do their best in irc with a placing in mind that they'd be happy with. We had a boat in our club that was so far back on the local echo that even when the handicap was reduced dramatically they weren't even getting decent results


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Tomorrows ISORA cancelled, takes a lot for that. Normally they'd send you off in 30kts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Bit more them 30 knots and it's not the 1980s
    Steve wrote: »
    Tomorrows ISORA cancelled, takes a lot for that. Normally they'd send you off in 30kts.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu



    No kill cord, no life jacket.
    That guy did not deserve to get his boat back.

    Almost never see people wearing buoyancy aids in US video. Is it not in the culture?
    In the 70s here we weren't allowed on a boat without a buoyancy aid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    No kill cord, no life jacket.
    That guy did not deserve to get his boat back.

    Almost never see people wearing buoyancy aids in US video. Is it not in the culture?
    In the 70s here we weren't allowed on a boat without a buoyancy aid.
    In Dublin Bay (cruisers) of the late 1960’s early ‘70’s it was considered ‘best practice’ to have PFDs on board. Few boats had enough for all, they were worn rarely, mainly at night or on deck in very heavy weather. From memory it was ISORA requirements (big fleet in 1970's) that pushed the safety aspect with throwing lines, Danbuoys, liferaft, etc., followed by the Fastnet Enquiry recommendations at the end of that decade. Perry's in DL used to service them for commercial craft. Admiralty Pattern PFDs, dating to about 1950!

    In the US the laws on PFDs are both Federal and State, with some variation by State and while there must be one aboard for everyone, as a general rule wearing one is only mandatory for children under 6 – 12yrs. when outside a cabin - age varies by State. Car seatbelt use in the US also was strange - in the 1990's a car salesman said to me 'You Europeans always wear the belts".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    In fairness PFDs in the 60s 70s and 80s werent exactly fashionable or practical either. Big bulky bright orange yokes and if you were really unlucky it had a big feck off collar that acted more like a neck brace that you prayed didnt get caught in the boom. I remember when I started cruiser racing in the mid 90s hardly anyone wearing lifejackets or PFDs although boats had them on board some of those boats had owners or crew who were pilots for a certain national airline and the lifejackets would have been liberated from a 747 just incase


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    neris wrote: »
    ..... although boats had them on board some of those boats had owners or crew who were pilots for a certain national airline and the lifejackets would have been liberated from a 747 just incase
    :D or got 'beyond date' ones from a certain contact when liferafts were being serviced - this one is still airtight and was obtained +/- 50 years ago. (don't look at the rust on the belt-ring!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    neris wrote: »
    In fairness PFDs in the 60s 70s and 80s werent exactly fashionable or practical either. Big bulky bright orange yokes and if you were really unlucky it had a big feck off collar that acted more like a neck brace that you prayed didnt get caught in the boom. I remember when I started cruiser racing in the mid 90s hardly anyone wearing lifejackets or PFDs although boats had them on board some of those boats had owners or crew who were pilots for a certain national airline and the lifejackets would have been liberated from a 747 just incase

    When I was brought out on a boat in the '70s as a kid, nobody wore PFDs. Very few who sailed could swim either.

    Not being able to swim was a great reason to not fall off the boat and has stood to me to this day.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Steve wrote: »
    When I was brought out on a boat in the '70s as a kid, nobody wore PFDs. Very few who sailed could swim either.

    Not being able to swim was a great reason to not fall off the boat and has stood to me to this day.

    Hmm I distinctly remember you falling overboard only to be saved by spinny sheets :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Stheno wrote: »
    Hmm I distinctly remember you falling overboard only to be saved by spinny sheets :D

    Technically, I was 'on' the water, not in it.

    Kite surfing....

    Didn't even get my smokes wet... :pac::D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭juke


    Steve wrote: »
    Technically, I was 'on' the water, not in it.

    Kite surfing....

    Didn't even get my smokes wet... :pac::D

    Hmmm. What about the boots being full?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    juke wrote: »
    Hmmm. What about the boots being full?

    Minor detail. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Funny on the DFD thing.

    My dad had boats with outboards for as long as I can remember.
    My dad was not the greatest mariner and got himself into all sorts of scrapes due to his cavalier attitude and slight lack of boating knowledge.
    However, he and anyone in his boat always wore lijejackets. This is going back to the 70s.

    In the 80s sailing dingys, pfds were not optional.

    I guess because I grew up always wearing one and always seeing adults wear them, I'm genuinely shocked when I see people on small boats not using PFDs.


    On another note:
    It's waaaaaay too long since I've been sailing.
    Finally got myself organised to go racing in Dublin Bay tomorrow.
    Forecast is for eff all wind:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,526 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Funny on the DFD thing.

    My dad had boats with outboards for as long as I can remember.
    My dad was not the greatest mariner and got himself into all sorts of scrapes due to his cavalier attitude and slight lack of boating knowledge.
    However, he and anyone in his boat always wore lijejackets. This is going back to the 70s.

    In the 80s sailing dingys, pfds were not optional.

    I guess because I grew up always wearing one and always seeing adults wear them, I'm genuinely shocked when I see people on small boats not using PFDs.


    On another note:
    It's waaaaaay too long since I've been sailing.
    Finally got myself organised to go racing in Dublin Bay tomorrow.
    Forecast is for eff all wind:(
    The wind held up for you in the end!!

    How did you get on? Bit chilly I'd say!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    out for a cycle up howth head this morning and flat as a pancake all over the bay, had to feel for the isora fleet I could see off in the distance floating of dun laoghaire in a giant hole


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Its due to pick up later in the afternoon to around 10 kts or so, so was going to head out (need to wait til 1pm for tide) for an afternoon spin, but a bit os sunshine would be nice to go with the 'lovely' temperatures we are having.

    Where's todays Isora going?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,526 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Its due to pick up later in the afternoon to around 10 kts or so, so was going to head out (need to wait til 1pm for tide) for an afternoon spin, but a bit os sunshine would be nice to go with the 'lovely' temperatures we are having.

    Where's todays Isora going?

    Down around the Codling marks, back up to Kish, and past a virtual mark in to the harbour mouth to finish. Against the tide both ways, poor sods. At least the wind is due to pick up for the afternoon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,526 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    From the tracker at midday.


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