Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

IAMAMORON wrote: »

But surely I need more transparency on my patriarchal identity?

Is it not giving an unfair advantage to males who identify as " cis " males ... as opposed to transgender males who identify as "non-cis" or transgender?

What advantage?

IMHO it's all gobbledygook. People looking for attention, and seeking to piss on other peoples lives. Extremely few people are genuinely transgender, and people are making a mountain out of a mountain out of a molehill by pandering to this rubbish. Transgender people can call themselves whatever they wish.. like any cult does... like I'm sure the Mormons have their own terminology to describe themselves, but there's no expectation on the whole world to follow suit, and yet, there's likely more Mormons in the world, than Transgendered people. I know a few transgendered people and they don't seek recognition or support any of this nonsense.

Americans... they have a lot of answer for by promoting all manner of rubbish.

.anon. wrote: »

But she's right about the fruitlessness of debating. To win a debate, you have to be good at debating. I'd consider myself reasonably adept at stringing a thingy together in terms of, like, sentences and stuff, and I'm quite good at doing that insufferable online thing of picking a post apart and responding to it bit by bit for twenty pages until one of us gets bored and the other wins by default. But 'winning' doesn't mean I'm right. It also doesn't mean that I (or the loser) learned anything from the whole charade either.

Whether you learned anything depends on you, and the content of the debate. I have taught argumentation as part of academic writing courses, and the debates online are a far cry from what happens, except on the most basic level. Online debates are far more similar to verbal arguments, with some references to external sources for support, but often, they're lacking in any real foundation. The problem, of course, is the rise of misinformation on the internet, and that further clouds the debates and their effectiveness.

There is no winning on an online discussion... because people come online to validate their original opinions/beliefs. Oh, sometimes someone will leave with those beliefs shattered, or rocked a little, but it's generally quite rare. I've had conversations with friends (many of whom are long time posters on boards or reddit), and they would agree that they rarely have their beliefs altered from threads... although... it does happen.

Some people put in the effort to write well, organise their arguments along logical streams, and provide useful evidence to support themselves. These kind of posters are a joy to read, and have the most chance of changing opinions.

For myself, I'd feel the debates are less about who is arguing, and more about the dozens of people who will read the posts.. even while they're looking for things to take apart, they're often forced to consider the argument/evidence in other to find a weakness to exploit.. and if there's no weakness? A chance to have their strong beliefs altered.

I've had my opinions shaped, and countered effectively before by various posters, on all manner of topics. Don't underestimate the readers ability to change. Small steps, but it's still possible to change over time.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Your comments are not being respectful, especially to unassigned transgenders. In doing so you may also be potentially subjugating or compromising other non cis preferences. Thread carefully please.

I massively get how assigned, cis patriarchal types are easily offended at being pigeon holed by the millennial woke. I get the frustration.

The key to contentment and happiness is acceptance. It allows both the assigned and the unassigned to live and prosper together, as nature has commanded us all to.

as I said.. gobbledygook.