Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Igotadose · 05-07-2020 9:55pm

briany wrote: »

I'd love to take that article more seriously, but it referred to 4Chan as a far-right message board. Stormfront is a far-right message board. 4Chan is more of a place where anything goes, from the mundane to the profane.

Not defending the UK indo, it is what it is. Here's another take on Flynn and QAnon. Still terrifying this guy, except for his own incompetence, might've been the Nat Sec head for the US advising the #IMPOTUS beginning in 2017

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/07/to-celebrate-the-fourth-michael-flynn-posts-a-pledge-to-conspiracy-group-qanon/

Headshot · 05-07-2020 11:53pm

Big week ahead for Trumps taxes case

sid waddell · 06-07-2020 1:14am

briany wrote: »

I'd love to take that article more seriously, but it referred to 4Chan as a far-right message board. Stormfront is a far-right message board. 4Chan is more of a place where anything goes, from the mundane to the profane.

If something tolerates the far right, it usually ends up being pretty much consumed by it.

That's the nature of the beast, the far right are never there to debate, only to take over and drive out the non-far right.

See the Current Affairs forum here, which I dived into this evening. It's a sewer filled with far right posters.

Hate speech on 4Chan increased by 40% between 2015 and 2019. One in every 15 comments there is hate speech, according to Vice magazine, which is actually a hell of a lot.

The online far right's tactics mirrors their political strategy. Pretend to be a normal part of diverse debate, exploit lax regulation and moderation, and then take over and wreck the gaff.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

briany · 06-07-2020 10:21am

sid waddell wrote: »

If something tolerates the far right, it usually ends up being pretty much consumed by it.

That's the nature of the beast, the far right are never there to debate, only to take over and drive out the non-far right.

See the Current Affairs forum here, which I dived into this evening. It's a sewer filled with far right posters.

Hate speech on 4Chan increased by 40% between 2015 and 2019. One in every 15 comments there is hate speech, according to Vice magazine, which is actually a hell of a lot.

The online far right's tactics mirrors their political strategy. Pretend to be a normal part of diverse debate, exploit lax regulation and moderation, and then take over and wreck the gaff.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

It's still a mis-characterisation of the site as just like boards, there are many sub forums dedicated to a diverse range of interests and neither site was specifically set up to cater to people with a far-right view point. If much of the far-right opinion only takes place in a few sub forums, it's lazy journalism to call the whole site far-right. It can't be any skin off the author's nose to add a simple qualifier like 'in the /pol/ section of the website 4Chan... "

greenfield21 · 06-07-2020 11:15am

It's incredible what the likes of trump has managed to achieve with finally waking people up to the nonsense that is globalisation. what he has achieved is only the start. Everything works in cycles.

Cody montana · 06-07-2020 11:19am

greenfield21 wrote: »

It's incredible what the likes of trump has managed to achieve with finally waking people up to the nonsense that is globalisation. what he has achieved is only the start. Everything works in cycles.

What has he achieved?

kowloon · 06-07-2020 11:20am

greenfield21 wrote: »

It's incredible what the likes of trump has managed to achieve with finally waking people up to the nonsense that is globalisation. what he has achieved is only the start. Everything works in cycles.

What in particular is nonsense?

briany · 06-07-2020 11:29am

greenfield21 wrote: »

It's incredible what the likes of trump has managed to achieve with finally waking people up to the nonsense that is globalisation. what he has achieved is only the start. Everything works in cycles.

Globalisation exists because it can and people demand it to with their buying behaviour. If same people dislike the negative aspects of globalism enough, they can end it quite quickly. The trouble is that people just aren't willing to make the sacrifices involved. The trouble with Trump on this count is that he doesn't even attempt to outline the sacrifices needed when laying out his position on globalism. It's populism in a nutshell - 'I will take you to a land of milk and honey...'

ancapailldorcha · 06-07-2020 2:40pm

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Igotadose · 06-07-2020 3:00pm

The <SNIP. No silly nicknames please> has put out an exec order to establish the "National Garden of Heroes" somewhere filled with statues of, well, an interesting group of Americans he believes were significant. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/statues-trump-include-national-garden-american-heroes.html?via=homepage_taps_top

Some names that I find interesting:

Henry Clay - mostly famous for not get elected President in my view, one time secretary of State, and not an abolitionist, did do some things to postpone the Civil war like the Missouri Compromise.

Antonin Scalia - uhh, he was an appointed SC Judge. Why him and not, say, Robert Jackson or Thurgood Marshall or Sandra Day O'Connor?

Audie Murphy - really?

Billy Graham - really?

Ronald Reagan?

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain - this is who from the Civil War set of Union heroes he's chosen? Not Grant? Sherman? :pac:

banie01 · 06-07-2020 3:05pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Audie Murphy - really?

In Audie's defence, if my memory serves me.
He is the most decorated US soldier of WW2 with everything up to and including the Medal of Honour.

Some of the despatches regarding his sheer courage are amazing.

Trump seems to be wanting a hybrid of Gorky Park and a Potemkin village for "Real" Americans to walk around and ignore reality in!

Igotadose · 06-07-2020 3:08pm

banie01 wrote: »

In Audie's defence, if my memory serves me.
He is the most decorated US soldier of WW2 with everything up to and including the Medal of Honour.

Some of the despatches regarding his sheer courage are amazing.

Trump seems to be wanting a hybrid of Gorky Park and a Potemkin village for "Real" Americans to walk around and ignore reality in!

Patton's on the list. Really I'd swap them both for either George S. Marshall or Eisenhower.

But the whole idea is laughable, well, except in Trumpworld where up is down and the sky is green.

Notmything · 06-07-2020 3:11pm

Igotadose wrote: »

The #IMPOTUS has put out an exec order to establish the "National Garden of Heroes" somewhere filled with statues of, well, an interesting group of Americans he believes were significant. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/statues-trump-include-national-garden-american-heroes.html?via=homepage_taps_top

Audie Murphy - really?

Billy Graham - really?

Ronald Reagan?

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain - this is who from the Civil War set of Union heroes he's chosen? Not Grant? Sherman? :pac:

Audie Murphy, one of the most decorated American soldiers, so I can see that.

Billie Graham, no idea.

Reagan won the cold war sure (sarcasm)

Chamberlain's status has much to do with the film and book that elevated his role at the battle of Gettysburg but he is often seen as what an American hero should be.

Grants presidency was marked by cronyism and scandal, also many see his civil war career as one of mindless butchery.

Sherman's record with the native Americans is not great, probably avoiding controversy by not including him, which is not like Trump.

Igotadose · 06-07-2020 3:15pm

Notmything wrote: »

Sherman's record with the native Americans is not great, probably avoiding controversy by not including him, which is not like Trump.

I was a bit tongue-in-cheek when it came to Sherman. The South *hates* him. He won the war in the South by burning it to the ground. He'd never be memorialized in such a place. Yeah, Grant was a bad President but an effective general.

Billy Graham, the Evangelical leader, is a sop to the evangelicals Trump's conned into believing he cares about religion in the slightest. Lots of US Presidents sucked up to that guy.

Quin_Dub · 06-07-2020 3:19pm

banie01 wrote: »

In Audie's defence, if my memory serves me.
He is the most decorated US soldier of WW2 with everything up to and including the Medal of Honour.

Some of the despatches regarding his sheer courage are amazing.

Trump seems to be wanting a hybrid of Gorky Park and a Potemkin village for "Real" Americans to walk around and ignore reality in!

That's exactly what he wants - Steve Hilton on Fox had some other ideas for him as well , all designed to push a single version of History and reality.

5 Things that Trumps needs to do to win re-election

Hilton encouraged Trump to focus on five areas ahead of the November election:

1) "Teach our kids to love America"

"The message in schools is that America is bad and evil," Hilton said. "That's not education, it’s leftist propaganda. We should teach the truth, yes, including the bad things, but not just the bad things."

Hilton suggested a national history program; online history courses; free visits to museums and landmarks; and a tax deduction for "patriotic learning," incentivizing families "to learn to love America together."

2) "Make America self-sufficient"

Hilton urged Trump to focus on securing U.S. supply chains and avoid the country's longtime reliance on foreign governments.

"If you want to sell it in America, make it in America," he said. "If there's one country on Earth that has the scale and diversity of resources to be truly self-sufficient, it's America. "

3) "Make America a family again"

"Whatever problem we're trying to solve, poverty, inequality, crime, drugs, you name it, the best single thing you can do is make sure children are raised in a loving home," Hilton said. "When parents stay together, they increase the odds that their children will climb the ladder of opportunity."

4) "Make American cities great again"

"Democrats have let our beautiful cities be scarred with crime, disorder and educational disorder," Hilton said.

"We mustn't leave this to the left," he went on, suggesting "conservative solutions," namely "school choice, safe streets and strong families."

5) "Peace Corps for America"

"Bring young people together from different parts of the country, different backgrounds to serve American community needs," Hilton said, suggesting "a kind of non-military national service.

Number 1 is a doozy - Tax deductions for "Patriotic Learning" whatever the hell that is!

With the exception of #2 they all seem to basically be - Remove Independent thought and brain-wash the populace.

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-07-2020 3:20pm

I think we all know that if this "park" goes ahead there will be a massive statue of Trump in the center (something akin to Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il in North Korea) and then all of the others will be place around the park facing towards him.

06-07-2020 3:25pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I think we all know that if this "park" goes ahead there will be a massive statue of Trump in the center (something akin to Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il in North Korea) and then all of the others will be place around the park facing towards him.

I want to see this in a morbidly curious way. Physical evidence that the man is utterly delusional.

Notmything · 06-07-2020 3:26pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I think we all know that if this "park" goes ahead there will be a massive statue of Trump in the center (something akin to Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il in North Korea) and then all of the others will be place around the park facing towards him.

And, as one of my kids pointed out, they will eventually name an aircraft carrier after him.

A beautiful, huge carrier, filled with the best and biggest planes. That ll really fuel his ego.

Saw a comment on twitter that most president's leave a library when they leave. Trump probably doesn't have enough books to prop up a coffee table, but, a park full of all-American heroes that he has created, that is something that will be remembered. Like, how many people know about the presidential libraries or even care about them.

This park will be his, even without his name.

Quin_Dub · 06-07-2020 6:15pm

Mary Trumps book will now be released next Tuesday instead of July 28th.

The publishers have released another snippet from the book , this time the blurb from the back cover

Simon & Schuster published the back cover of the book for the first time on Monday. It is an excerpt of Mary's writing, stating that "today, Donald is much as he was at three years old: incapable of growing, learning, or evolving, unable to regulate his emotions, moderate his responses, or take in & synthesize information."

Mary also writes about the president's father Fred, who "caused him terror," she says. "Donald suffered deprivations that would scar him for life," Mary asserts.

Ouch...

Itssoeasy · 06-07-2020 6:39pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Mary Trumps book will now be released next Tuesday instead of July 28th.

The publishers have released another snippet from the book , this time the blurb from the back cover

Ouch...

Well she's not wrong. I Know trump has had some tweet storms during his presidency, but when this book comes out I expect an epic tweet storm as this is a family member saying these things.

Gbear · 06-07-2020 6:47pm

Saw a post on Reddit referring to a Trump branded baseball on sale for $88 (a common code number used by Nazis as it refers to the 8th letter of the Alphabet - HH - Heil Hitler).

"Trump is selling $88 baseballs!"

"Probably just a coincidence."

"Trump is defending the confederate flag!"

"Doesn't mean anything."

"Trump hired Steven Miller, an avowed white nationalist!"

"That's just your opinion."

"Trump hired Sebastion Gorka too, a member of Vitezi Rend!"

"Talk American."

"Trump hired Steve Bannon, who said being called racist was 'A badge of honor!'"

"Well maybe it is."

"Trump called Nazis 'very fine people.'"

"So what?"

"Trump has repeatedly referred to african Americans as thugs!"

"What's your point?"

"Trump called for a Muslim ban!"

"And?"

"Trump took out a full page ad calling for the death penalty for five innocent black men!"

"That's in the past."

"Trump is still calling for them to be executed even after proven innocent by DNA evidence!"

"Not a big deal."

"Trump slept with a book of Hitler's speeches next to his bed!"

"Who doesn't?"

"Trump's father was arrested at a KKK rally!"

"Whose wasn't?"

"Trump is threatening people who take down confederate monuments!"

"Perfectly normal behavior."

"Trump wouldn't let black people stay at his hotels!"

"That doesn't mean anything."

"Trump literally just got a Nazi swastika carved into his forehead with Hitler's personal SS dagger on the anniversary of Kristallnacht!"

"Yeah, and?"

Edit: Just wanted to take a moment and encourage everyone to read the replies to this comment, because as it turns out (Surprise, surprise!) Donald Trump has done a lot more disgusting white nationalist **** than I covered here. So, you know, read other people's comments too is what I'm saying I guess.

I don't think I would've gone as far as saying that Trump was an actual white supremacist just after his inauguration - a racist? Sure. But in a kinda of 'yer da' kind of way.

But there's been far, far too much smoke at this stage for him not to be.

Gbear · 06-07-2020 6:50pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

That's exactly what he wants - Steve Hilton on Fox had some other ideas for him as well , all designed to push a single version of History and reality.

5 Things that Trumps needs to do to win re-election

Number 1 is a doozy - Tax deductions for "Patriotic Learning" whatever the hell that is!

With the exception of #2 they all seem to basically be - Remove Independent thought and brain-wash the populace.

Number 5 might well make a solid dent in class and race based discrimination.

Or at least it might if Republicans didn't turn it into the American version of the Hitler Youth.

Inquitus · 06-07-2020 6:51pm

Kayleigh is on rare form today, possibly her worst press conference yet, the Whitehouse press pool smell blood.

Quin_Dub · 06-07-2020 7:01pm

Gbear wrote: »

Number 5 might well make a solid dent in class and race based discrimination.

Or at least it might if Republicans didn't turn it into the American version of the Hitler Youth.

Absolutely - Their version of a US centered Peace Corps would be essentially "Conservative Missionaries converting the savage natives and saving them from their wicked ways"

Itssoeasy · 06-07-2020 7:03pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Kayleigh is on rare form today, possibly her worst press conference yet, the Whitehouse press pool smell blood.

If it's as bad as you say then I'm sure it'll be reported on later. Has she had any good press conferences though ? I mean in the sense that other news outlets not Fox News calling them good.

Inquitus · 06-07-2020 7:35pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

If it's as bad as you say then I'm sure it'll be reported on later. Has she had any good press conferences though ? I mean in the sense that other news outlets not Fox News calling them good.

This whopper was the pick of the bunch!

“I think the world is looking at us as a leader in Covid-19,” McEnany said during the White House briefing.

PropJoe10 · 06-07-2020 7:53pm

Inquitus wrote: »

This whopper was the pick of the bunch!

They're a leader alright. Nobody can argue with that!

Igotadose · 06-07-2020 7:56pm

Inquitus wrote: »

This whopper was the pick of the bunch!

She's right, the world *is* looking at the US as the world leader in Covid-19. Deaths, anyway.

Professor Moriarty · 06-07-2020 7:57pm

Inquitus wrote: »

This whopper was the pick of the bunch!

How can McEnany look herself in the mirror? How does she rationalise barefaced lying on the world stage day after day, lie after lie?

TomOnBoard · 06-07-2020 8:04pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How can McEnany look herself in the mirror? How does she rationalise barefaced lying on the world stage day after day, lie after lie?

Confession at the weekend and all lies are forgiven and the slate is wiped clean..

:rolleyes:

Inquitus · 06-07-2020 8:39pm

Trumps really enjoying his twitter today!

Mod Snip

Don't just dump the tweets please , at least discuss or comment on them.

Thanks

PropJoe10 · 06-07-2020 10:44pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How can McEnany look herself in the mirror? How does she rationalise barefaced lying on the world stage day after day, lie after lie?

Sure that Sarah Huckabee Sanders was the same. Standing in front of the world and telling absolute barefaced lies day after day can't be great for the self esteem.

fullstop · 06-07-2020 11:44pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How can McEnany look herself in the mirror? How does she rationalise barefaced lying on the world stage day after day, lie after lie?

Well she’s only reading from the pre-prepared answer book.

Muahahaha · 07-07-2020 12:02am

Inquitus wrote: »

Kayleigh is on rare form today, possibly her worst press conference yet, the Whitehouse press pool smell blood.

Just listening now and yeah for the first time she is rattled. It seems the journos were operating in tandem with their questions.

She said the FBI reported that the noose found in Bubba Wallaces Nascar garage was really a rope used to pull down the garage door. Did the FBI find the same rope on all the garage doors? It would be very strange if his garage was the only one to have a rope shaped like a noose

Muahahaha · 07-07-2020 12:22am

This is the rope in question

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/status/1276188964488003584

Also

Nascar officials and FBI investigators have not once disputed the fact the noose was found in Wallace’s garage stall. Nascar executives have announced that they had conducted a careful sweep of all 1,684 garage stalls at the 29 tracks the league uses, and the only noose was the one found in Wallace's garage.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/06/trump-criticizes-bubba-wallace-calls-noose-incident-a-hoax-despite-fbi-findings/#34100b571d46

Trump tweeted that Wallace should apologise to Nascar for reporting it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1280117571874951170

I find it astonishing that out of 1,684 garages on a 29 racetracks all with garage doors the only single one of them they found a noose was in the garage of the only black driver in Nascar. What are the odds of that happening?

StringerBell · 07-07-2020 1:02am

Never fails to amuse me how transparent the man is. Ratings, ratings like. That's the method you use to work out if something is good or bad, TV ratings.

An imbecile is likely to be less self absorbed and more self aware than that snake oil salesman occupying the white House.

eldamo · 07-07-2020 8:35am

Muahahaha wrote: »

This is the rope in question

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/status/1276188964488003584

Also

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/06/trump-criticizes-bubba-wallace-calls-noose-incident-a-hoax-despite-fbi-findings/#34100b571d46

Trump tweeted that Wallace should apologise to Nascar for reporting it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1280117571874951170

I find it astonishing that out of 1,684 garages on a 29 racetracks all with garage doors the only single one of them they found a noose was in the garage of the only black driver in Nascar. What are the odds of that happening?

Yet, when they dealt with it on last week tonight they said that it does appear in the background of a video a year before it was bubba wallaces garage... Still, a noose is an odd thing to tie just for the hell of it...

Trump is an absolute race baiting lunatic, 1,2,3,4 I declare race war! Anything to distract and whip up his base. The man is running scared.

I saw some of his followers compare this bubba thing with Jussie smollett, totally unfair, but man, did Jussie Smollet do a lot of damage to his own side the idiot.

Quin_Dub · 07-07-2020 8:53am

The latest Gallup Presidential approval poll shows unsurprising bad news for Trump but it also shows how incredibly difficult it will be for either candidate to lead the US in future.

Trumps overall approval is down to 38% but his approval among Republicans is actually up to 91% from 85% .

Democrats have a 2% approval rating and perhaps worst news of all from Trump is that his approval among independents dropped from 39% to 33%

Trump has also lost ground among White men , Older people and Southerns , he's even lost the overall majority among the Non-College educated.

The only grouping where he is above 50% is with White non-college educated.

The overall bad news I see in this is how the hell is anyone supposed to lead that country?

Who ever wins in November will automatically have ~40% of the country that utterly despise them and will be almost impossible to move in their opinions.

pixelburp · 07-07-2020 9:01am

It's like I always call it it: Sports Fan politics, this is where America was always headed the moment it let partisanship and its media cultivate a culture of one side eternally pitted against the other. You don't abandon your team, even if they're swilling around relegation with a dud of a manager. Republican support being up 3 points is particularly obscene, but not particularly surprising either. As you say, governing a country like that will be impossible, it's not fit for purpose anymore. Maybe Biden will go the intentional bipartisan route and fill his cabinet with soft Republicans - but that of course will p*ss off the increasingly vocal left-wing of the Democrats...

Remember Trump's snark that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his approval would still go up? Remember how we curled our lips in disgust, laughing at the vulgarity of it all. Damnit if of all the things Trump came out with that has been demonstrative nonsense - that this is the remark to hold true. He probably could, right now, gun down someone in New York (a black man undoubtedly) and his GOP approval would curve into he high 90s.

Itssoeasy · 07-07-2020 9:06am

eldamo wrote: »

Yet, when they dealt with it on last week tonight they said that it does appear in the background of a video a year before it was bubba wallaces garage... Still, a noose is an odd thing to tie just for the hell of it...

Trump is an absolute race baiting lunatic, 1,2,3,4 I declare race war! Anything to distract and whip up his base. The man is running scared.

I saw some of his followers compare this bubba thing with Jussie smollett, totally unfair, but man, did Jussie Smollet do a lot of damage to his own side the idiot.

And that’s why I hope jussie smollett gets the full weight of the law in being charged. Even after it was revealed he’d been caught lying about the incident(the nature of the incident which is serious) he doubled down. Also, all of Hollywood tripping over themselves on social media to support him.

Leroy42 · 07-07-2020 9:14am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And that’s why I hope jussie smollett gets the full weight of the law in being charged. Even after it was revealed he’d been caught lying about the incident(the nature of the incident which is serious) he doubled down. Also, all of Hollywood tripping over themselves on social media to support him.

But just as one white man rampaging through a school with a gun does not mean that every white man is a terrorist, one obviously stupid, and IMO panicked, instance does not mean that mean that his 'side' is damaged.

Hollywood came out in support of him because his story called for support. Just like that race driver. When the facts came out, peoples views changed.

I am happy to let the FBI do their job, I am not minded to waste time trying to investigate the incident in regards to the race driver myself. What I cannot understand is why POTUS feels the need to get involved.

At it core, a man felt threatened, told those around him, who came out in support. It turns out that he was not under any threat, although I can see why he would have felt under threat.

He owes no one an apology, we Trump feels he should or that he should get involved in personal matters is beyond me

Quin_Dub · 07-07-2020 9:25am

Leroy42 wrote: »

But just as one white man rampaging through a school with a gun does not mean that every white man is a terrorist, one obviously stupid, and IMO panicked, instance does not mean that mean that his 'side' is damaged.

Hollywood came out in support of him because his story called for support. Just like that race driver. When the facts came out, peoples views changed.

I am happy to let the FBI do their job, I am not minded to waste time trying to investigate the incident in regards to the race driver myself. What I cannot understand is why POTUS feels the need to get involved.

At it core, a man felt threatened, told those around him, who came out in support. It turns out that he was not under any threat, although I can see why he would have felt under threat.

He owes no one an apology, we Trump feels he should or that he should get involved in personal matters is beyond me

Generally I agree with you , but in the case on Bubba Wallace - He was not the one that reported the noose , In fact he never even saw it.

His team saw it and not unreasonably believed it to be a noose and reported it given it was the only "door pull" of this type in the garage assigned to the only Black Nascar driver shortly after he had made public statements supporting BLM etc.

I don't think anyone did anything wrong in this scenario and whilst it's good that it wasn't something specifically targeted at Wallace you still have to wonder about the (at best) careless thoughtlessness of the person that installed that door pull whenever it was done.

Trump insisting that Wallace has something to apologise for is a straight-forward dog whistle to his base about how Black people should know their place and not cause trouble for their betters.

Professor Moriarty · 07-07-2020 9:27am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Generally I agree with you , but in the case on Bubba Watson - He was not the one that reported the noose , In fact he never even saw it.

His team saw it and not unreasonably believed it to be a noose and reported it given it was the only "door pull" of this type in the garage assigned to the only Black Nascar driver shortly after he had made public statements supporting BLM etc.

I don't think anyone did anything wrong in this scenario and whilst it's good that it wasn't something specifically targeted at Watson you still have to wonder about the (at best) careless thoughtlessness of the person that installed that door pull whenever it was done.

Trump insisting that Watson has something to apologise for is a straight-forward dog whistle to his base about how Black people should know their place and not cause trouble for their betters.

Bubba Watson is a golfer. Bubba Wallace!

eldamo · 07-07-2020 9:34am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Trump insisting that Wallace has something to apologise for is a straight-forward dog whistle to his base about how Black people should know their place and not cause trouble for their betters.

he is not happy with how he is doing in the polls and he is shoring up his base.

looksee · 07-07-2020 9:56am

The Supreme Court has said that states can insist that Electoral College members vote with the popular vote in the State. In this case why is there need for an Electoral College, which implies some sort of individual discretion in EC voting? Votes could be weighted based on the actual results in each state if the need is felt to adjust the 'one person, one vote' results to even out places like New York and California.

Am I missing something crucial in this system? I really can't claim to understand it.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/505984-supreme-court-rules-states-can-remove-faithless-electors

Edit, maybe this is off topic for this thread, in which case apologies and please move to a more appropriate thread, thanks.

StringerBell · 07-07-2020 10:45am

It's probably not the place for it, by yes I agree that the unanimous decision by the SC is potentially the first step on the road to doing away with the EC completely

pixelburp · 07-07-2020 11:12am

StringerBell wrote: »

It's probably not the place for it, by yes I agree that the unanimous decision by the SC is potentially the first step on the road to doing away with the EC completely

Got a link on that?

eldamo · 07-07-2020 11:42am

Leroy42 wrote: »

But just as one white man rampaging through a school with a gun does not mean that every white man is a terrorist, one obviously stupid, and IMO panicked, instance does not mean that mean that his 'side' is damaged.

It is hard to really quantify the damage Jussie Smollett did to BLM etc.

One thing he did do was give racists a scapegoat, any time someone comes up with a genuine grievance, "hyuck hyuck hyuck, looks like we got ourselves the next Jussie Smollett."

That said, those sort of people are never going to be won around by argument.

But impressionable eejits looking on might be.

looksee · 07-07-2020 11:48am

Got a link on that?

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Igotadose · 07-07-2020 12:06pm

Some details from the USG on which firms received Paycheck Protection Program loans. Lots of amusing names from all sides of the political spectrum - The Daily Caller, Grover Nordquist's group (whatever they're called, phonies for lower taxes), Boies/Schiller/Flexner the legal powerhouse, Archdiocese of NY, a Hebrew Academy run by the Kushner's, various state-based political groups in Ohio, Florida, ...

Basically, lots of taxpayer $$ going to many businesses, some raise eyebrows (the Archdiocese of NY?)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/06/coronavirus-stimulus-list-of-ppp-small-business-loan-recipients-released.html

Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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