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Excellent Experience with Budapest Dentist

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  • 23-01-2012 8:52am
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    Hillmanhunter1
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    Early in 2010 I looked for some impartial advice on this site concerning the options and the costs of having extensive dental treatment performed in Hungary.

    The needlessly restrictive rules of the forum, and the hectoring approach of some posters with obvious conflicts of interest, meant that getting any meaningful information was impossible.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055882151

    However I persevered, travelled to Budapest in January 2011 and now, a year later, I can report that it was an unqualified success. The whole experience was superbly organised, I dealt only with competent and kind professionals. I paid a price that did not leave me in debt, and I am over the moon with the result. For the first time in 20 years I've noticed that I can be seen smiling and laughing in photographs.

    Due to the posting rules I cannot tell who I went to or how much it cost, however I will be very happy to answer these or any other questions by PM.


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    the_syco
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    Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »
    Due to the posting rules I cannot tell who I went to or how much it cost, however I will be very happy to answer these or any other questions by PM.
    It's my understanding that (please correct me if I'm wrong) you can't ask for prices, or talk about your disagreement of the price you got at a dentist here, but I don't think it's against the rules to state roughly what you got done, and the price when you're happy with the price?

    It may help those who are searching for cost, etc.


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    helimachoptor
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    Op, can you post up your treatment plan and pics?

    We've obviously seen the pictures and read the horror stories.

    However what I will say is that if you do above, it will be critiqued by the dentists on here good and bad.

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    Mod edit...Anyone reading this thread please read it to the end and see what happened for this poster.
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    heli I hope you dont mind me editing your post, the OP demanded I remove this text from his origional post "forthwidth".


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    Oral Surgeon
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    Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »
    Early in 2010 I looked for some impartial advice on this site concerning the options and the costs of having extensive dental treatment performed in Hungary.

    The needlessly restrictive rules of the forum, and the hectoring approach of some posters with obvious conflicts of interest, meant that getting any meaningful information was impossible.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055882151

    However I persevered, travelled to Budapest in January 2011 and now, a year later, I can report that it was an unqualified success. The whole experience was superbly organised, I dealt only with competent and kind professionals. I paid a price that did not leave me in debt, and I am over the moon with the result. For the first time in 20 years I've noticed that I can be seen smiling and laughing in photographs.

    Due to the posting rules I cannot tell who I went to or how much it cost, however I will be very happy to answer these or any other questions by PM.

    Great:D


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    Bearcat
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    Well done hillman, what work do you get done to your knashers and how long did you have to stay out there? It's not everyone's cuppa making such a long trek, but if you've saved a packet, got your teeth sorted and your happy, well it's win , win.:D


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    Squiggle
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    Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »
    However I persevered, travelled to Budapest in January 2011 and now, a year later, I can report that it was an unqualified success.

    I'm not a dentist and have absolutely no vested interest but, in fairness, is reporting extensive dental treatment in Budapest an " unqualified success " just one year on not a bit premature? For me to even consider going to Budapest I'd want a referral from someone who had treatment ten years ago at the place I was going to ! Even if I had such a referral I wouldn't go abroad for dental treatment as I would have genuine concerns about follow up care if I had subsequent problems.


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    Bearcat
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    The follow up care is certainly a large element in my dental life......everyone to their own.


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    btkm8unsl0w5r4
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    I am glad you are happy op and hope that in 5-10 years when true success will be known you are happy also. Its nice to hear some good stories and not just the usual horror ones. Please post a pic of your new smile, preferably with the gums around the crowns/implants/veneers showing, and let the dentists here see if they would consider this success unqualified.

    The last poster to come on gushing about their budget dental work posted pics for us (which she later asked to be removed http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74635661) and it turned out the treatment was questionable at best and a total mess at worst.


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    Hillmanhunter1
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    helimachoptor wrote: »
    Op, can you post up your treatment plan and pics?

    We've obviously seen the pictures and read the horror stories.

    However what I will say is that if you do above, it will be critiqued by the dentists on here good and bad.

    Hi Helimanchoptor

    I'm not going to post more specific details of the treatment or the prices simply because as soon as I do then the dentist/moderator cabal will be happy to take the discussion down a technical alley-way and give me a good mugging. However if anyone else is thinking of going to Budapest (and I would recommend it highly) I am happy go go into details via PM.

    (In passing, and for the avoidance of doubt, I do not represent nor have I any arrangement or understanding with the surgery that I used).

    Instead I will focus on the experience from the consumer's perspective. I spent two spells in Budapest, first in October 2010 for some preparatory work and then, 10 weeks later, back to finish the job. The price was excellent and, from my perspective, (and they are my teeth after all) the outcome has been an unqualified success. I can smile again and I've become reacquainted with the taste and texture of a medium rare steak.

    I appreciate that just because I'm happy one year later does not mean that everything will still be perfect in 10 years, but that would be the case no matter where I had had the work done. Also, I don't expect that the work will still be perfect in 10 years - the dentist told me that I probably will need follow-up work done in about 10 years and that's fine by me - Budapest is a beautiful place to spend a few days (even if part of the time is spent in a dentist's chair).

    The dentists on this forum would have consumers believe that mine is an unusual experience and that horror stories are the norm. Intuitively I believe that this is a crock, I'm sure there are some horror stories (just as there are with Irish dentists) but that on the whole consumers are very happy with the service and the price.


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    helimachoptor
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    Op I haven't seen Cabaal post here so i doubt he's going to stop by.

    However coming on and claiming you got great treatment without either saying what work you had or posting pictures does seem a little odd.

    This a dental forum so there are dentists here, they will give you feedback on how your treatment looks, good bad or indifferent.


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    btkm8unsl0w5r4
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    OP sound like this should be on trip advisor not here, a nice holiday and some people being nice to you are great, but the technical quality and treatment planning of your dental work are more important on this forum. To have done this in the first place, that must have been a secondary consideration to you. Read the thread I link to above to see the void that exists between your thinking treatment is a success and the actual problems. Yes all dental work will need periodic replacement however its how its done now that will decide how complex and expensive it will be come retreatment time.

    Also be very careful what you recommend to other people. Any sort of advanced dental work done in short periods of time is not a good idea. If it was we would all do it that way.


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    Hillmanhunter1
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    I am not a dentist, and I have no interest in discussing my treatment with a dentist.

    I am a consumer of dental services and I am posting information about my experiences for the information of other consumers of dental services. I'm not bothered if suppliers of dental services in Ireland quibble with me. As a sceptic I'm not surprised that they disagree - to paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davis "they would, wouldn't they?"

    From a consumer perspective my experiences have been very positive. The fact that Budapest is a pretty city is perhaps an additional but not essential factor, the aspects that are really important from a consumer's perspective are quality and price, and on both of those counts I am very happy.

    I know that's too warm and fuzzy for some people, so what? Some of us practice dentistry, some are practised upon.


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    helimachoptor
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    Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »
    I am not a dentist, and I have no interest in discussing my treatment with a dentist.

    I am a consumer of dental services and I am posting information about my experiences for the information of other consumers of dental services. I'm not bothered if suppliers of dental services in Ireland quibble with me. As a sceptic I'm not surprised that they disagree - to paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davis "they would, wouldn't they?"

    From a consumer perspective my experiences have been very positive. The fact that Budapest is a pretty city is perhaps an additional but not essential factor, the aspects that are really important from a consumer's perspective are [quality and price, and on both of those counts I am very happy.

    I know that's too warm and fuzzy for some people, so what? Some of us practice dentistry, some are practised upon.


    If its from a consumer perspective then you can tell everyone the price you got in the Consumer Issues forum.

    If you are not prepared to discuss your treatment plan or post pictures for the dentists here to look at then this is not a Dental Issue and I am locking the thread.


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    Bearcat
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    Adan Petite Crate wrote: »
    . Any sort of advanced dental work done in short periods of time is not a good idea..

    For me this is a major part of my dental life.....I spread my work required over a year and with the reassurance my dentist is 20mins down the road should things go pear shaped. I'm kicking another rc job down the road.

    As for the thread......yet again handbags on this challenging topic.:(


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    Hillmanhunter1
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    As referred to in another thread I had a good experience recently with a clinic in Budapest and I thought it would be useful to others contemplating treatment abroad to give my story.

    There are many examples of horror stories regarding treatment in Eastern Europe but I guess, given the numbers that travel there (not just from Ireland but from other Western European countries too) that it can’t all be bad.

    Charter rules state that I cannot name the clinic that I visited, but if anyone else wants to know just send me a PM. I have no connection with the clinic other than being a patient, and I don’t know if they are better or worse than their competitors here or in their home country. I chose them because they have a surgery in Dublin. I figured that this was a sign that they weren’t a fly-by-night outfit, and it gave me a chance to get an impression of the firm without having to leave Dublin.

    My first appointment was in the Dublin surgery where I was examined by two dentists. They took X-rays and discussed a treatment plan with me. 30 years of smoking and poor oral hygiene meant that my teeth, and in particular my gums, were in pretty poor condition. I had thought that I might be able to get some implants but I was told that because my gums and jaw-bones had receded the likelihood of success with that treatment was slim. The advice of the dentists was that overdentures were the best option for me. Google “overdenture” and you’ll get a better idea of what that is, but for the lay person, essentially they proposed to extract those of my teeth that couldn’t be saved (11) and to fit telescopic crowns to those that could (7). The telescopic crowns would serve to anchor the overdenture and give a better bite than standard dentures. (If anyone can explain that better please go ahead).

    I travelled to Budapest for the first part of the treatment on a Sunday evening in late 2010. I was met at the airport and brought to an OK hotel (clean & comfortable but pretty basic). Next morning a representative met me at the hotel and brought me to the clinic. Over that day I had 11 teeth extracted and impressions were taken for temporary dentures. I didn’t have a general anaesthetic, and while I had dreaded having so much work done in one day it wasn’t as traumatic as I feared. I was given painkillers and sent back to the hotel where, to my surprise, I had a good night’s sleep. Next day I went back to the clinic for a half an hour for a first fitting of my temporary dentures. The following day I went back for a final fitting and I flew home that evening.

    I was told that it would take at least two months for my gums to heal, however after a few days back in Dublin I found that the temporary dentures were hurting me and needed to be adjusted. I called the surgery in Dublin and was seen later that day, were the necessary adjustments were made.

    In February 2011 I returned to Budapest for a week to have my treatment completed. Over the first two days I had one root canal treatment, two fillings, and temporary crowns were fitted to my remaining teeth (7). I had several sessions at the clinic over the following two days where impressions for my final overdentures were made, and on the Friday morning the 7 telescopic crowns were fitted and my overdentures were also ready. I flew back to Dublin that evening.

    That was approximately a year ago. Since then I’ve left Ireland and I now live abroad. I recently had my dental work reviewed by a German dentist who told me that all was well.

    Treatment Plan
    From earlier posts it’s clear that the mods like posters to give as much detail as possible about treatment plans, so here is the detail of what I had done (the numbers in brackets refer to specific teeth) and the costs:
    Calculus removal €80
    Tooth extraction (12,11,21,22,27,34,32,31,41,42,45) €45 x 11 = €495
    Temporary dentures €490 x 2 = €980
    Telescopic crown (15,13,24,35,33,44,45) €255 x 7 = €1785
    Root canal treatment (35) €99
    Composite filling (13,24) €99 x 2 = €198
    Final overdentures €695 x 2 = €1390
    Total: €5027

    Added to that is the cost of travel and accommodation which came to just short of €1000, so the total cost was about €6000.


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    georgieporgy
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    Hillman, is it a typo or was tooth #45 both extracted and crowned?

    And I note #13 and 24 were both charged for a filling and crown ( i understand you mean telescopic crowns)

    35 had a root canal and telescopic crown. no filling or post/core charged for that one. was it just included in the crown fee?


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    Hillmanhunter1
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    georgieporgy wrote: »
    Hillman, is it a typo or was tooth #45 both extracted and crowned?

    And I note #13 and 24 were both charged for a filling and crown ( i understand you mean telescopic crowns)

    35 had a root canal and telescopic crown. no filling or post/core charged for that one. was it just included in the crown fee?

    Re tooth 45, its a typo alright, but not mine. I'm looking a the treatment plan and that's what it says. Looking at the diagram that shows the numbers of the teeth I think that the typo is that it should have said that 46 was extracted, 44 and 45 were crowned.

    Re 13 and 24 and 35 the treatment plan said that they would require fillings (root canal treatment in the case of 35) and priced for this work, but they didn't appear on the invoice. I wasn't actually charged for that work.


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    gdpman
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    Hi Hillmanhunter1, firstly delighted with the fact you are happy with your treatment.

    I am a general dentist working in the Irish Republic (outside of major city), I have read Boards for a few years but never posted before, but after reading your post decided to write.

    We see medical card patients as well as PRSI patients (for what is left of the scheme)and after reading your post thought I might post a comment. For a several years now we have seen patients who have travelled abroad both to Northern Ireland and further afield, like everything in life there is good and bad (and that does apply south of the border also).

    However I know that if I provide treatment I am answerable to the courts and have a duty of care to my patients, for which I would like to hope I have developed a caring ethical relationship with.

    Recently we have seen a drop in the standard of care with some of the clinics abroad which has resulted in us having to organise a referral to specialist prosthodontists, oral surgeons and endodontists. This does result in huge costs to patients, some of the treatment plans I would not prescribe for my patients (or family). This has been distressing to these patients as cases cannot be pursued in Ireland and have to be taken in the jurisdiction treatment was carried out in.

    A major drawback of the clinics in the continued care that these complex cases require, that is not provided or advised about.

    Patients are free to seek treatment where they want with who they want, I have no problem with this, but a constant theme I have seen running through the forum is how much was saved.

    From a personal point if you were covered by a medical card these extractions would have been free, if not I know personally we would charge for the time in the chair rather than a per item basis, and I can assure you it would have been cheaper to see a local general dentist. Did you seek a quote from your own dentist.?

    What I have found recently is that patients who have sought treatment from abroad have been treated by “specialists” from some of these clinics and have not received specialist treatment. On a personal note I must admit I am not to keen to jump into the car to provide out of hours cover to new patients for work that was done abroad (as happened over the Christmas and New Year).

    I hope you continue to be happy with your treatment and continue to seek maintenance care from your local dentist.

    If patients did ask advice for travelling abroad I can only say do thorough research and possibly ask their own dentist for advice.


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    dory
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    helimachoptor wrote: »

    However coming on and claiming you got great treatment without either saying what work you had or posting pictures does seem a little odd.


    Why does it seem odd?? He didn't come on to get it critiqued. He didn't come asking for your opinion on the work. It's a Dental Issues forum and he came on to tell the other people who are also consumers of dental treatment about his experience. IF you want this forum to be only for dentists talking about technical dental stuff why not make it a private forum just for dentists?

    I've been a regular visitor to Budapest for a few years and my family and friends have been seeing the same dentist there for over 10 years. I was very disappointed with the standard of care I got from a number of Irish dentists and this was confirmed by French and UK dentists so I went abroad.

    Reading posts from the vested interests here is laughable. I've got about 50 PMs in the last year looking for the details of my Budapest dentist. Seems I'm not the only one fed up with the Irish system.


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    Dianthus
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    Hi Hillmanhunter1, glad you're getting on well with your dental transformation! :D Just out of curiosity:
    - The 11 teeth that were extracted; were they beyond saving due to decay, gum disease, or a combination?
    - Prior to the Budapest experience, were you a regular 6month/yearly attender, or an "as& when" attender? You also mentioned the 30 year smoking/poor oral hygiene. How&/have things changed since the overhaul?
    - Prior to Budapest, what sort of treatment plans/quotes had you received from Irish dentists? (no doubt higher, Ireland being Ireland:rolleyes:). Had you a number of consultations with different dentists, Irish& foreign, to shop around?
    - The German dentist you saw recently, did you ask- again, just out of curiosity!- how much a similar job (telescopic crowns, root canal, overdentures, ect) would have cost with them?


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    CyberJuice
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    Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »
    Treatment Plan
    From earlier posts it’s clear that the mods like posters to give as much detail as possible about treatment plans, so here is the detail of what I had done (the numbers in brackets refer to specific teeth) and the costs:

    Tooth extraction (12,11,21,22,27,34,32,31,41,42,45) €45 x 11 = €495
    Temporary dentures €490 x 2 = €980


    Composite filling (13,24) €99 x 2 = €198


    99 euro for a white filling.. this is roughly the same price i get charged here in ireland. so no saving there..

    calculus removal 80 euro.i guess this is just scraping the teeth to remove some plaque calculs stuff. again roughly 70 - 90 euro here to see a hygienist and get this done,so not much saving there.

    temporary denture 490 euro.. i think over here the price is similar or only a small amount more for a temporary denture but i could be wrong on this one..


    45 euro for tooth removal, if u have medical card its free for tooth removal so you coulda saved yourself 11x45 if u qualified for the card.. but without a card its about 90 quid to have a tooth taken out here so half price,not too bad on that front..


    overall it seems that the money saved was only mayb 500 euro max when you add in your flight costs and hotel and your food and stuff while in the foreign country.. im not sure if its worth it for such a small saving or did you save a couple thousand? id like to know how much cheaper overall this was please


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    helimachoptor
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    dory wrote: »
    Why does it seem odd?? He didn't come on to get it critiqued. He didn't come asking for your opinion on the work. It's a Dental Issues forum and he came on to tell the other people who are also consumers of dental treatment about his experience. IF you want this forum to be only for dentists talking about technical dental stuff why not make it a private forum just for dentists?

    I've been a regular visitor to Budapest for a few years and my family and friends have been seeing the same dentist there for over 10 years. I was very disappointed with the standard of care I got from a number of Irish dentists and this was confirmed by French and UK dentists so I went abroad.

    Reading posts from the vested interests here is laughable. I've got about 50 PMs in the last year looking for the details of my Budapest dentist. Seems I'm not the only one fed up with the Irish system.
    I'm not a dentist.

    If you went onto the Motors forum and proclaimed a certain garage utterly fantastic and didnt say what they did to your car etc would you not think that suspicious.


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    dory
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    helimachoptor wrote: »
    I'm not a dentist.

    If you went onto the Motors forum and proclaimed a certain garage utterly fantastic and didnt say what they did to your car etc would you not think that suspicious.

    Eh, no! Most wouldn't even know what they did to the car only that's it's working great.
    I do find it odd that you want the OP to post what would be pretty upclose photos of his teeth! :eek:


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    helimachoptor
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    dory wrote: »
    Eh, no! Most wouldn't even know what they did to the car only that's it's working great.
    I do find it odd that you want the OP to post what would be pretty upclose photos of his teeth! :eek:

    But most would know what they got done to their teeth, so why would you not say when asked?

    Not really, we have a dental forum here with many dental-y type people who have many years of expertise.
    The OP was saying he got great quality and price abroad, if this is the case why not post up pictures for the dental folks to take a look at and comment on good and/or bad.

    I got work done in NI a couple of years ago and posted up a fairly detailed thread with pics of before during and after of implant work. Frankly this forum is a great resource and friends of mine who don't know I moderate it often say they good advice from the dentists on here, whether it's posting directly or reading others peoples posts and the answers to them.

    I'd prefer not to take this off topic any further.


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    Hillmanhunter1
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    I’m afraid that creating proper multi-quote posts is beyond my technical ability, so that is why I’m using the following style:

    gdpman

    “From a personal point if you were covered by a medical card these extractions would have been free, if not I know personally we would charge for the time in the chair rather than a per item basis, and I can assure you it would have been cheaper to see a local general dentist. Did you seek a quote from your own dentist?”

    I don’t have a medical card. I didn’t seek a quote from an Irish dentist. I researched both options (i.e. going abroad and staying at home) online using the prices published by those dentists who do publish their prices, and also using discussion forums such as this one in Ireland, the UK and France.

    Dianthus

    “The 11 teeth that were extracted; were they beyond saving due to decay, gum disease, or a combination?”

    Gum disease was the major problem, I did have some decay but that could have been dealt with had my gums been healthy.

    “Prior to the Budapest experience, were you a regular 6month/yearly attender, or an "as& when" attender? You also mentioned the 30 year smoking/poor oral hygiene. How&/have things changed since the overhaul?”

    I was (at best) an “as & when” attender. Regarding smoking I had quit two years before getting the treatment, and indeed getting my smile back was one of my incentives/rewards for quitting. I’m still off the weeds. My oral hygiene had been much better in recent years, particularly after I quit smoking, but in terms of my gums it was too little too late. I am now far better that I ever was before.

    “Prior to Budapest, what sort of treatment plans/quotes had you received from Irish dentists? (no doubt higher, Ireland being Ireland). Had you a number of consultations with different dentists, Irish& foreign, to shop around?”

    As I said above my research was all online.

    “The German dentist you saw recently, did you ask- again, just out of curiosity!- how much a similar job (telescopic crowns, root canal, overdentures, etc) would have cost with them?”

    I didn’t think to ask for a quote. (BTW, the dentist was German, but we were not in Germany)

    Cyberjuice

    “Overall it seems that the money saved was only maybe 500 euro max when you add in your flight costs and hotel and your food and stuff while in the foreign country. I’m not sure if it’s worth it for such a small saving or did you save a couple thousand? I’d like to know how much cheaper overall this was please”

    I’d prefer not to get into posting price comparisons as this seems to be fraught with danger from a Charter perspective. In any event the purpose of my posts has not been to make explicit price comparisons, but rather to say that I found my experience of going to Budapest for dental treatment to be a good experience. Regarding price I can say that I was happy with the price I paid. Anyone else is free to comment on that price, or if an Irish dentist wishes to post the price they would have charged I think that would be OK too.


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    georgieporgy
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    If I was extracting 1 tooth I would charge 100euro. But I would not charge 1100 for 11 teeth (esp 11 loose teeth)

    My fee for the work outlined would have been approx 4000- 4500 (depending on whether root canal was done )

    The permanent dentures would have been cast chrome cobalt @1200 ea.

    extractions and cleaning and temp dents 1000. fillings approx 100-150 ea. initial exam xrays etc 100.

    I would guess that most other irish dentists would be pretty close to that give or take 1000.

    It's a different treatment plan than described by hillmanhunter though. telescopic crowns and overdentures are popular in Germany (and Eastern Europe it seems) but not too common elsewhere. I have practised in ireland , uk, and canada over the past 35 years and have only seen one in a patient's mouth. That was just a few months ago. It had been made by an irish dentist who had spent some years in Germany.

    They can be good in the right circumstances, though the one i saw wasn't, but that was because it was simply the wrong thing for that patient.

    Hillman should be ok now for a good few years with what he has described.


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    hg03 eyu
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    Being "as and when" patient is in my opinion an essentially emergency only type patient

    If you attended a dentist regularly in Ireland then your gum disease should have been detected early and hopefully prevented.

    Any patient presenting requiring 11 extractions due to gum disease would require extensive gum treatment and oral hygiene instruction perhaps by a specialist for the remaining teeth.

    Such treatment would have to be completed prior to any teeth being crowned Furthermore, a patients ability to maintain a high level of oral hygiene should be monitored for a period of time prior to any teeth being crowned.


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    #28
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »
    Calculus removal €80
    Tooth extraction (12,11,21,22,27,34,32,31,41,42,45) €45 x 11 = €495
    Temporary dentures €490 x 2 = €980
    Telescopic crown (15,13,24,35,33,44,45) €255 x 7 = €1785
    Root canal treatment (35) €99
    Composite filling (13,24) €99 x 2 = €198
    Final overdentures €695 x 2 = €1390
    Total: €5027

    Added to that is the cost of travel and accommodation which came to just short of €1000, so the total cost was about €6000.

    How come the temp dentures cost just a little less than the final dentures? Is it that the temps are really good or the finals really bad???:confused::confused:


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    btkm8unsl0w5r4
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    georgieporgy wrote: »
    My fee for the work outlined would have been approx 4000- 4500 (depending on whether root canal was done )

    I thought its was on the expensive side for this sort of high speed stuff alright, headline costs are low and then your killed on the little things that I wouldn't charge so much for like extracting loose teeth or temporary dentures, must have cost 7k after flights, time off, food, accommodation etc.

    Telescopic dentures are pretty old fashioned, and popular in Germany due to dental insurance issues they have. I would also have issues that the periodontal condition has not been treated properly, it must have been severe to warrant 11 extractions. Sometime necessary treatment is left out because it does not fit into the time your there.

    You would wonder what the remaining abutments holding the denture in are like. Overdentures have a 80% abutments failure rate at 8 years when they are done very well. Also there would be space issues making aesthetics poor on the denture. I see you don't have any fees for the secondary telescopes, were they done or is it just in acrylic and chrome on the fit surface of the denture. Post a few pictures of the dentures, underside and in your mouth and we can all see.

    Dont think much of the treatment plan, the time it was done in, or the price. Its not a plan I would recommend to patients. However I am sure you see a great improvement and feel you got good treatment. I sure you will give out about this post, but your insistent on posting in dental issues, and your going to get technical criticism. I would fail a dental student for doing this as you have outlined.


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    #30
    Hillmanhunter1
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1


    The total cost of my treatment, including flights and accommodation was under €6,000, not €7,000.

    Dentistry may not be my strong suit, but I'm not too bad on cost/benefit analysis. In that context let's not forget that while it was not the reason for going to Budapest, it is nevertheless a very beautiful city and I got to see the museums and sights of the city, including a visit to the Hungarian State Opera. There is value in all of that (and to refer back to an earlier comment by Fitzgeme, that doesn't mean that TripAdvisor is the place for this post!).

    Speaking of value, I don't know whether the price that I paid was a bargain or not, I never said that it was, I said that I was happy with the price and that it did not leave me in debt. I didn't start this thread with the intention of making price comparisons and I only posted the prices that I paid following requests by a mod on this forum (helimanchoptor) and a discussion on the Help Desk forum:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76802907

    The dentists who post here have been dancing around the price issue, but without engaging in it with the same clarity that I was demanded of me and which I have offered. georgieporgy has picked out a couple of elements, but has not priced the telescopic crowns. Oral Surgeon, hg03 eyu and Fitzgeme have not offered any price comparisons - as far as I can tell there is no prohibition on doing so in the Charter.

    I passing, and to give credit where it is due, I note that Fitzgeme is a model of transparency, his prices are quoted on his professional site, chapeau!.


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    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Its difficult for me to give a price comparison because I wouldn't in a million years do that treatment plan in that space of time, on somebody who is periodontally unstable. I would be more expensive but the specification of the job, the time involved and the quality of the laboratory work with me would be greater. Your cost benefit/analysis will only be valid in about 5 years when you see what level of retreatment is needed. Dentistry should be seen in a cost per year way. 6k for a set of dentures is pretty steep in any language.

    A crown that cost 1000euro and last 15 years costs 67 euro a year. A crown that costs 400 euro and lasts 5 years costs 80 euro a year.


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