Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

07-12-2018 12:04am

briany wrote: »

A thought on Brexit - If you'd flipped the result of the referendum, would the 48 percent Leave vote have gotten on board with staying in the EU, or would they have continued to agitate?

Would Nigel Farage have accepted it as a decisive mandate?

Would Boris Johnson continued to run on a platform of Euro-scepticism, given the (ahem) overwhelming result?

Would mr. or mrs. Question Time "17.4 million people!" have popped EU flags onto the wing mirrors of their car?

Would any of them accepted a Remainer telling them, "Will of the people!"?

The answer is, no, of course not. That's why it's hilarious when they accuse Remainers of trying to scupper the Brexit process.

Farage famously said before the referendum about a remain victory:'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

An Ciarraioch · 07-12-2018 12:26am

Lucid Talk poll saying 62% in NI support remaining in SM and CU, even if GB doesn't (Evan Davis tweet - most details in paywalled Times article)!

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronMcAllorum/status/1070821679671205888/photo/1

Shelga · 07-12-2018 12:28am

If they do leave, and there’s another global economic crash where the likes of Italy and Greece are disproportionately affected, would the UK be more protected, as they won’t have to shell out to bail them out? Or Ireland, for that matter.

Were they always a bit more shielded from this anyway, by not being in the Eurozone? It seems like they have the best of everything at the moment and are absolutely mad to vote leave.

briany · 07-12-2018 12:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

Farage famously said before the referendum about a remain victory:'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

I seem to recall that point being brought up Julia Hartley Brewer on a recent QT, and she basically denied that he said it.

greenfield21 · 07-12-2018 12:40am

Shelga wrote: »

If they do leave, and there’s another global economic crash where the likes of Italy and Greece are disproportionately affected, would the UK be more protected, as they won’t have to shell out to bail them out? Or Ireland, for that matter.

Were they always a bit more shielded from this anyway, by not being in the Eurozone? It seems like they have the best of everything at the moment and are absolutely mad to vote leave.

I don't know what would happen after brexit but If a crash came now for the world economy would it not be good for brexiters. The people are fed up as it is and world economy is said to have peaked. Imagine what a recession would do. Just look what's going on in France.

Shelga · 07-12-2018 12:42am

greenfield21 wrote: »

I don't know what would happen after brexit but If a crash came now for the world economy would it not be good for brexit. The people are fed up as it is and world economy is said to have peaked. Imagine what a recession would do. Just look what's going on in France.

I’m not saying it would be good, just asking the question, as I struggle to see even a tiny single advantage of this fiasco.

bilston · 07-12-2018 12:57am

Could be interesting goings on in London on Sunday. Tommy Robinson is supposedly leading a "Brexit Betrayal" march. Counter demos are planned.

I haven't heard much about this on the BBC or Sky etc but there is fair bit on social media.

Charles Babbage · 07-12-2018 1:12am

The Times of London has
A LucidTalk poll for The Times reveals that 65 per cent of Northern Ireland voters would welcome a Brexit that keeps the province “closely tied to the EU, inside the single market and the customs union”, while the rest of the UK has a more arms-length arrangement.

10000maniacs · 07-12-2018 1:32am

Scoondal wrote: »

Leave means leave. Simply, no lies, no trickery, the votes were counted.
NEWS : UK voted to LEAVE EU.
Do you live in a cave ?

They may as well have voted for more Pyrenean ibex's. Your argument is grand if you can define Brexit.

Peregrinus · 07-12-2018 4:46am

Shelga wrote: »

I’m not saying it would be good, just asking the question, as I struggle to see even a tiny single advantage of this fiasco.

There's basically no economic advantage to Brexit. All models of Brexit are economically harmful to the UK; the only dispute is by how much.

To value Brexit, you have to assign significance to non-economic factors like not being committed to "ever closer union", not having to afford freedom of movement to EU citizens, not being subject to the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice of the European Union.

Folkstonian · 07-12-2018 4:52am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Any Irish person who thinks that leave is a good idea is either batsh*t insane or trolling.

There we have it, then. The thread may as well be closed.

You are either pro-remain, or mentally unwell.

If this is the level that debate has slumped to, it’s probably time to call time on discussion.

Folkstonian · 07-12-2018 5:04am

Peregrinus wrote: »

There's basically no economic advantage to Brexit. All models of Brexit are economically harmful to the UK; the only dispute is by how much.

To value Brexit, you have to assign significance to non-economic factors like not being committed to "ever closer union", not having to afford freedom of movement to EU citizens, not being subject to the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice of the European Union.

Agreed. It’s a simple matter of conviction.

Britain (but any EU member state really) has a binary choice to make going forward. To be more financially prosperous or to have more control over the traditional pillars of the nation state.

Voters just have to decide which is more important to them.

I really think people on both sides of the debate in Britain need to be more realistic, and more honest.

Peregrinus · 07-12-2018 5:27am

Folkstonian wrote: »

Agreed. It’s a simple matter of conviction.

Britain (but any EU member state really) has a binary choice to make going forward. To be more financially prosperous or to have more control over the traditional pillars of the nation state.

Voters just have to decide which is more important to them.

I really think people on both sides of the debate in Britain need to be more realistic, and more honest.

Ah, but oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive etc etc.

The problem here is that Brexiters sold the idea of Brexit by representing it as having economic advantages - budgetary savings through not having to contribute to the EU, wonderful new trade deals with China, North Korea and countries yet to be discovered under the seas, etc, etc. Even with all that puffery, they just got it over the line in the referendum.

It's now very difficult for them to turn around and say, actually, no; none of that is going to happen. Quite the reverse, in fact. But there will be benefits; just intangible benefits which are quite different from the material benefits that you expected when you actually voted for this.

Instead, they try to do this indirectly by asserting that this is what the people were voting for all along - asserting that, although promised an economically advantageous Brexit, they voted for an economically damaging Brexit, motivated by other considerations to accept the economic damage as a price worth paying to secure the intangible but important blessings of sovereignty.

But, quite frankly, that's not true.

In a sense, both sides of this debate have the same problem. Leavers failed to build a case for the values of sovereignty, autonomy, etc; they sold Brexit on largely economic and material terms. But Remainers also mounted their case on economic and material arguments, equally failing to mount a values-based campaign that asserted the values and ideals behind the European project.

All of which makes it quite difficult to turn the discourse around now, and discuss the non-economic and non-material aspects of this question.

prawnsambo · 07-12-2018 8:30am

Folkstonian wrote: »

There we have it, then. The thread may as well be closed.

You are either pro-remain, or mentally unwell.

If this is the level that debate has slumped to, it’s probably time to call time on discussion.

Did you miss the bit where he said "Irish person"?

murphaph · 07-12-2018 8:46am

Folkstonian wrote: »

Agreed. It’s a simple matter of conviction.

Britain (but any EU member state really) has a binary choice to make going forward. To be more financially prosperous or to have more control over the traditional pillars of the nation state.

Voters just have to decide which is more important to them.

I really think people on both sides of the debate in Britain need to be more realistic, and more honest.

But this is NOT what the Leave campaign said the vote was about at all. They promised continued membership of the single market (more financially prosperous) AND to have more control over the traditional pillars of the nation state, not OR!

Huge difference. It was never an option, but it was sold to millions of voters as one. The Leave vote was won on lies.

VinLieger · 07-12-2018 8:48am

Folkstonian wrote: »

If this is the level that debate has slumped to, it’s probably time to call time on discussion.

Ironic coming from the person accusing others that disagree with them of being mentally unwell

lawred2 · 07-12-2018 9:48am

Folkstonian wrote: »

There we have it, then. The thread may as well be closed.

You are either pro-remain, or mentally unwell.

If this is the level that debate has slumped to, it’s probably time to call time on discussion.

Maybe try to read the post before responding next time.

lawred2 · 07-12-2018 9:52am

Folkstonian wrote: »

Agreed. It’s a simple matter of conviction.

Britain (but any EU member state really) has a binary choice to make going forward. To be more financially prosperous or to have more control over the traditional pillars of the nation state.

Voters just have to decide which is more important to them.

I really think people on both sides of the debate in Britain need to be more realistic, and more honest.

But Brexit was sold on 350m per week AND control over those 'pillars'.. no binary choice there.

Did something go wrong or was it just a crock of sh:t?

Peregrinus · 07-12-2018 9:57am

lawred2 wrote: »

But Brexit was sold on 350m per week AND control over those 'pillars'.. no binary choice there.

Did something go wrong or was it just a crock of sh:t?

It was a crock of sh:t. There was always a trade-off. Those behing the Leave campaign were either in denial about this, or they were cynically misleading others about it, or a bit of both.

lawred2 · 07-12-2018 10:17am

Peregrinus wrote: »

It was a crock of sh:t. There was always a trade-off. Those behing the Leave campaign were either in denial about this, or they were cynically misleading others about it, or a bit of both.

but sure we're always free to revise what the vote was about...

FreudianSlippers · 07-12-2018 10:22am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Any Irish person who thinks that leave is a good idea is either batsh*t insane or trolling.

I'm more worried about the people that see the Brexit shambles and are supportive of Ireland doing the same thing...

FrancieBrady · 07-12-2018 10:35am

Jeffery Donaldson on Pat Kenny, repudiating the views of the Ulster Farmers Union on the backstop - on the basis of the opinions of a few farmers he talked to in his constituency.

Hurrache · 07-12-2018 10:39am

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe not prevailing but what are unionists, and specifically the DUP themselves doing to promote inter-community acceptance?

They won't even represent the wishes of the majority of their community.

Jeffrey Donaldson on Pat Kenny this morning saying that the union is of most importance, then seconds later out of the other side of his mouth says he's not representing northern Ireland when in the house of commons, but just the people who can vote for him in his own constituency.

Professor Moriarty · 07-12-2018 10:57am

Hurrache wrote: »

Jeffrey Donaldson on Pat Kenny this morning saying that the union is of most importance, then seconds later out of the other side of his mouth says he's not representing northern Ireland when in the house of commons, but just the people who can vote for him in his own constituency.

Of all the DUP MPs, Donaldson is the most intelligent. He knows he's selling snake oil but, politically, he has no choice. For now, anyway.

Enzokk · 07-12-2018 11:00am

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Lucid Talk poll saying 62% in NI support remaining in SM and CU, even if GB doesn't (Evan Davis tweet - most details in paywalled Times article)!

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronMcAllorum/status/1070821679671205888/photo/1

Next time I hear Arlene or one of her party saying they represent the interests of the people of NI I will scream at the radio/television/phone, "NO YOU DON'T!!", it is astonishing to me that they are allowed to say this.

I understand the policy of abstaining of representation in the HoC, but this is just another indication that while SF are representing their voters by doing what they said (at least they keep their word), they are also harming the same voters and those others around the country. They are in an impossible position and have been put there by Theresa May and the DUP.

Folkstonian wrote: »

There we have it, then. The thread may as well be closed.

You are either pro-remain, or mentally unwell.

If this is the level that debate has slumped to, it’s probably time to call time on discussion.

Well you do have to wonder why someone would vote to not just make themselves poorer but those around them as well. Those that will be fine either way is just selfish and those that voted for less services and benefits that they depend on, well the poster may have been a bit blunt but I don't see it as a rational choice.

That is looking at the choice the UK made, if we had the choice and a politician came to my doorstep to canvas for leaving the EU for less benefits I would call him insane.

lawred2 · 07-12-2018 11:02am

Enzokk wrote: »

Next time I hear Arlene or one of her party saying they represent the interests of the people of NI I will scream at the radio/television/phone, "NO YOU DON'T!!", it is astonishing to me that they are allowed to say this.

I understand the policy of abstaining of representation in the HoC, but this is just another indication that while SF are representing their voters by doing what they said (at least they keep their word), they are also harming the same voters and those others around the country. They are in an impossible position and have been put there by Theresa May and the DUP.

ah no - not SF again

dr.fuzzenstein · 07-12-2018 11:05am

Folkstonian wrote: »

There we have it, then. The thread may as well be closed.

You are either pro-remain, or mentally unwell.

If this is the level that debate has slumped to, it’s probably time to call time on discussion.

My reply wasn't quite as broad as you may think it was and was more aimed at a certain poster stating his nationality.

dr.fuzzenstein · 07-12-2018 11:10am

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm more worried about the people that see the Brexit shambles and are supportive of Ireland doing the same thing...

Well there are people who believe that the earth is flat, so there will always be those who can be sold the biggest crock ever and they will defend it to their dying breath, because it's "sticking it to the man".
Or rather poking yourself in the eye with a stick, because you don't like what you see.

Enzokk · 07-12-2018 11:11am

lawred2 wrote: »

ah no - not SF again

Like Brexit it is a talking point that will only go away when Brexit does, which is probably not for the next 15 years or so.:eek:

In other news the government has a plan to deal with medicine shortages. They will overrule a doctor's prescription and have the pharmacy give the patient not what was prescribed.

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1070949092078039041

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1070968340884189195

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1070968819961790464

Project fear and all that rubbish.

funkey_monkey · 07-12-2018 11:18am

https://www-thejournal-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/?amp=1&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ==#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Ireland is the most stable country in the world in terms of being able to provide food for its population.
So, they are prepared to cause another famine to get Brexit!
Words fail me.

prawnsambo · 07-12-2018 11:20am

Enzokk wrote: »

Like Brexit it is a talking point that will only go away when Brexit does, which is probably not for the next 15 years or so.:eek:

In other news the government has a plan to deal with medicine shortages. They will overrule a doctor's prescription and have the pharmacy give the patient not what was prescribed.

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1070949092078039041

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1070968340884189195

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1070968819961790464

Project fear and all that rubbish.

Because the "highly trained pharmacists" will have full knowledge of all the contra-indications and medical history that the GP considered before prescribing.

VinLieger · 07-12-2018 11:21am

funkey_monkey wrote: »

https://www-thejournal-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/?amp=1&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ==#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Ireland is the most stable country in the world in terms of being able to provide food for its population.
So, they are prepared to cause another famine to get Brexit!
Words fail me.

Also weve collectively all agreed there are potential problems in the case of a no deal brexit and been preparing for the better part of two years. They are just now starting to admit there might be some small issues 3 months before they need to have things ready....

lawred2 · 07-12-2018 11:25am

funkey_monkey wrote: »

https://www-thejournal-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/?amp=1&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ==#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Ireland is the most stable country in the world in terms of being able to provide food for its population.
So, they are prepared to cause another famine to get Brexit!
Words fail me.

good grief

Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon reacted to the story, saying that “The sheer moral bankruptcy of the Tory Brexiteers is on full display today.”

succinctly put

J Mysterio · 07-12-2018 11:29am

Folkstonian wrote: »

There we have it, then. The thread may as well be closed.

You are either pro-remain, or mentally unwell.

If this is the level that debate has slumped to, it’s probably time to call time on discussion.

Not sure why you think you hold some moral high ground on this issue. Half of your contributions here consist of being personally offended by the contributions of others. Fact is, 95% of Irish people think Brexit is a bad idea. They are right.

Gerry T · 07-12-2018 11:30am

Folkstonian wrote:

Britain (but any EU member state really) has a binary choice to make going forward. To be more financially prosperous or to have more control over the traditional pillars of the nation state.

Folkstonian wrote:

Agreed. Itâ€™s a simple matter of conviction.

Folkstonian wrote:

Voters just have to decide which is more important to them.

Folkstonian wrote:

I really think people on both sides of the debate in Britain need to be more realistic, and more honest.

I think a number of people have replied to this, but your the first person I've heard that supported brexit that said post leaving, the UK would be fincially worse off. The current debate from brexiteers just ignore the possibility of a hard brexit and focus on the current T.May deal as tying the UK hands and preventing the UK striking free trade deals all over the globe.
It's nonsense, the deal tabled only lasts for transition, end 2020. At that point the UK hard brexit with exception of NI, until the UK pits in the technology solution that allows two separate customs union work with no border infrastructure/controls....which brexiteers have said "the technology exists"....hummm.
But what hasn't being said is, if your right and the choice was really about taking back control, what control are you really taking back. On immigration from the EU the UK always had the power to return an EU citizen that was a burden on the UK state after 3mths, but it never exercised that right, like other EU countries do. On laws the EU primarily gets involved in trade related law...standards, working conditions, employee rights etc.... each country was left alone in how there's laws were implemented and when it came to all other law such as criminal etc it very seldom dictated to member states...so what has really being gained back, very little if anything.
The issue of free movement is captured under my point on immigration, but the loss of the benefits, working abroad, visa free travel, eh1 medical, retiring etc.... are all lost.
The CU & SM are the backbone of the EU, having tariff free trading, common standards and the strength of an 18trillion dollar market to punch globally is all lost....what's the negatives of these....and don't say taking back control of laws and borders, because as I've pointed out their red herrings.

Isn't the truth the UK just hasn't understood the value of the EU and the overall benefits set against the little sovergnity it has to surrender.

A question for you, one I don't know the answer. The UK nett contribution is approx 7.5billion/yr. How much will it cost the UK to control it's borders (customs officials, police, army in NI and the mainland ðŸ˜), replace all the regulatory bodies the EU provides (Hugh list but don't forget the likes of vetenary inspectors travelling globally). How many billion each yr will all that cost.

CelticRambler · 07-12-2018 11:30am

Folkstonian wrote: »

To be more financially prosperous or to have more control over the traditional pillars of the nation state.

The four-nation state. And therein lies the problem: two of the four are built on different pillars, and are being told that they are not allow exercise control over their destiny because half of the population of one of the four, with alternative ambitions, have decided otherwise.

greenfield21 wrote: »

The people are fed up as it is and world economy is said to have peaked. Imagine what a recession would do. Just look what's going on in France.

What's happening in France is also the product of a toxic FPTP (-type) electoral system, coupled with the French belief that shooting yourself in the head is a valid form of protest against the injustice of the Ruling Classes.

The Hound Gone Wild · 07-12-2018 11:33am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Because the "highly trained pharmacists" will have full knowledge of all the contra-indications and medical history that the GP considered before prescribing.

Well... Yes. A local community pharmacist knows more about contra-indications and drugs in general than any GP. This looks like pharmacists being able to switch between different drugs of the same class. A pharmacist is more than qualified to make that call, obvious exceptions aside.

VinLieger · 07-12-2018 11:37am

The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »

Well... Yes. A local community pharmacist knows more about contra-indications and drugs in general than any GP. This looks like pharmacists being able to switch between different drugs of the same class. A pharmacist is more than qualified to make that call, obvious exceptions aside.

They are absolutely not qualified for this as they have no clue of the medical history and nor should they

Call me Al · 07-12-2018 11:39am

The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »

Well... Yes. A local community pharmacist knows more about contra-indications and drugs in general than any GP. This looks like pharmacists being able to switch between different drugs of the same class. A pharmacist is more than qualified to make that call, obvious exceptions aside.

They are not the patient's doctor. They know the drugs, they don't know the patient.

Bit cynical · 07-12-2018 12:00pm

J Mysterio wrote: »

Not sure why you think you hold some moral high ground on this issue. Half of your contributions here consist of being personally offended by the contributions of others. Fact is, 95% of Irish people think Brexit is a bad idea. They are right.

I think it is not merely disagreement with Brexit. A lot of people don't respect the decision either. If they had their way, the UK would not be allowed to make such a decision.

MrMusician18 · 07-12-2018 12:09pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

https://www-thejournal-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/?amp=1&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ==#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Ireland is the most stable country in the world in terms of being able to provide food for its population.
So, they are prepared to cause another famine to get Brexit!
Words fail me.

While this is true, there almost certainly would be shortages of certain types of food and food products in the country in the event of a hard Brexit. You might not be able to find your Weetabix in the local supermarket, a hard Brexit would definitely see some empty shelves in supermarkets.

The country wouldn't starve however, but choice would be limited with respect to today.

VinLieger · 07-12-2018 12:16pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The country wouldn't starve however, but choice would be limited with respect to today.

Indeed we are one of the most stable countries with regard to being able to feed ourselves in the world. The UK on the other hand i read imports something close to 50%( no citation so could be wrong) of its food, which is insane and why they are so open to very dangerous shortages in the case of a hard brexit.

CelticRambler · 07-12-2018 12:17pm

Meanwhile, Norway says "feck off ..."

[Heidi Nordby] Lunde told the Guardian: “Really, the Norwegian option is not an option. We have been telling you this for one and a half years since the referendum and how this works, so I am surprised that after all these years it is still part of the grown-up debate in the UK. You just expect us to give you an invitation rather than consider whether Norway would want to give you such an invitation. It might be in your interest to use our agreement, but it would not be in our interest.”

EdgeCase · 07-12-2018 12:17pm

They do realise we're the ones still in the single market and they're the ones leaving?

Fog in the channel mentality.

Comments like that could cost the UK economy billions as they'll activate Irish retailers contingency plans.

You'll just see a lot more continental products on the shelves.

If she thinks Dunnes, Musgraves, Lidl, Aldi or even Tesco Ireland will just passively sit there if suppliers can't supply at reasonable cost she never met a supermarket buyer.

We'll end up with some familiar brands disappearing but it creates a large space for both Irish and continental direct replacements.

Meanwhile the UK is the one facing a fundament food shortage of basic items.

Leroy42 · 07-12-2018 12:20pm

Bit cynical wrote: »

J Mysterio wrote: »

Not sure why you think you hold some moral high ground on this issue. Half of your contributions here consist of being personally offended by the contributions of others. Fact is, 95% of Irish people think Brexit is a bad idea. They are right.

I think it is not merely disagreement with Brexit. A lot of people don't respect the decision either. If they had their way, the UK would not be allowed to make such a decision.

And they must take responsibility for that decision.

Responsibility for maintaining the GFA for example.
Responsibility for paying their obligations to the EU.
Responsibility for the outcome of the decision rather than blaming the Irish or the EU.

Enzokk · 07-12-2018 12:21pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

While this is true, there almost certainly would be shortages of certain types of food and food products in the country in the event of a hard Brexit. You might not be able to find your Weetabix in the local supermarket, a hard Brexit would definitely see some empty shelves in supermarkets.

The country wouldn't starve however, but choice would be limited with respect to today.

Surely the only products we would have a shortage with would be specialist British products that has British ingredients. Seems that you can find most other products with a different brand name from your friendly German supermarket that would surely be sourced from the continent, right?

Water John · 07-12-2018 12:23pm

Yorkshire Puds and Cornish Pasties, can't think of any thing else.

cml387 · 07-12-2018 12:26pm

Enzokk wrote: »

Surely the only products we would have a shortage with would be specialist British products that has British ingredients. Seems that you can find most other products with a different brand name from your friendly German supermarket that would surely be sourced from the continent, right?

It's transporting goods through the UK is the problem. Not actually getting them (though I imagine the UK would want to hoard their supplies of Marmite and Bovril to keep them going through the hard winter).

EdgeCase · 07-12-2018 12:29pm

Enzokk wrote: »

Surely the only products we would have a shortage with would be specialist British products that has British ingredients. Seems that you can find most other products with a different brand name from your friendly German supermarket that would surely be sourced from the continent, right?

A lot of "British" products are also made on the continent. There's a huge amount of big brand items that may be packed in the UK for localisation and we're generally getting that supply. They're classified as UK exports but in a lot of cases they're not.

It applies to a lot of consumer goods sold here.

There's an issue in shifting supply chains around but it's not impossible. You're looking at possible disruption and unfamiliar brands rather than actual shortages.

Ireland's a small but very lucrative market for consumer goods. It's not anymore likely to be abandoned than Sweden or Denmark.

robinph · 07-12-2018 12:32pm

Enzokk wrote: »

Surely the only products we would have a shortage with would be specialist British products that has British ingredients. Seems that you can find most other products with a different brand name from your friendly German supermarket that would surely be sourced from the continent, right?

The biggest issue for Ireland would be the lorries and boats having to go the long way round from France, or setup a transport corridor along the lines for the Berlin airlift until some bigger/ faster boats and more planes/ runways are sorted out. Other than maybe losing out on fresh Jaffa Cakes I'm not sure Ireland will miss out on much that the UK supplies.

Will just need the manufactures in the rest of Europe to stick stuff in boxes with English writing on rather than it currently being done for the UK market with a bit siphoned off for Ireland...or you all have to learn to read French/ German.