Going for a full Ps1 Collection

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 2:51am

The pal version will be harder to get than the US version in the future because it seems like More Americans are using Club Nintendo and claiming that prize.

I see it being like Rule of Rose Italian/French versions are hard to get and expensive but The UK/Irish version is the rarest variation to get and most expensive even tho all versions play the same.The only major difference being the description in the back being in English.

The print run of the pal game and watch collection ds game must be the lowest printed game.I only know of one other which might be lower it had a limited number of 2000 copy's but Im not sure if its official and its still for sale after their kickstarter through the developers website.

Ill find the website and the name of the game and post it here tomorrow.

Retr0gamer · 01-08-2013 3:21am

There's quite a lot of the Game and Watch games it seems. Sure the previous japanese club nintendo exclusives go for a pretty penny but people have cottoned on and there's plenty of them to go around. If it really was rare I'd expect it to be sold out since it's been on sale for ages.

There's far more likely candidates for low print run DS games.

Game and Watch Collection 2 PAL might be rare though since it only got an aussie release on their club nintnedo in PAL flavour.

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2013 11:04am

Most of the catalogue from Club Nintendo seems to be available on ebay for reasonable amounts, as Retr0 said it's the items limited to markets that will be worth something, like my Famicom controller II faceplate for the GB Micro.... mmmmmm, nice....

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:25am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Most of the catalogue from Club Nintendo seems to be available on ebay for reasonable amounts, as Retr0 said it's the items limited to markets that will be worth something, like my Famicom controller II faceplate for the GB Micro.... mmmmmm, nice....

It's affordable right now.
But the rarity of those games are
Probably a lot higher than the low print run RPGs because there is less made.

In 5-10 years when that reward is taken down more of these games will be taken
Out of circulation due to being destroyed or being in collectors hands who will not sell.

Flinstones 2 the NTSC version in its day went for 4-10 dollars used in GameStop when blockbuster sold off all their nes games from what I heard.

But now its blown up due to low print run.

I'm sure the game and watch ds game is less than this.I never see it in shops and never see it very often in collections online.and on eBay the pal version rakes in abit more cash and their is very little of them compared to the US version.Its has a high star amount for you to get up to claim.

Trust me if anyone doesn't have it get it because I see it being a valuable piece in the future.

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2013 11:44am

Well, I have to disagree.
One of the great and interesting pursuits is what is going to be worth what in years to come.
For example I had a copy of Tempest 3000 when I owned a Nuon, a rare game as it's on a rare system, but it only cost around €40 or €50 to buy.

Wii games are ten a penny and everyone can cite the likes of Metroid Trilogy as a limited run game that is now worth a few bob.

The Nintendo Club games are readily available, and many collectors are probably doing what you have suggested, but this means, logging onto ebay, you can find plenty of them.
Region limited stuff like the Au only follow up is an fine example of the rarer more valuable items and, yes, if you find one buy it.

Rule of Rose?
I have it in my collection.
There wasn't a GB/Irl version, never released here.
The european version that's readily available is a little more expensive but is the edition that we would have gotten had it been released here, the only difference are some ratings labels and the language of the instruction manual.

Retr0gamer · 01-08-2013 12:42pm

It depends on supply and demand more than rarity. If people want it the price will go up. The PS1 Final Fantasy games go for silly money considering they are some of the best selling games of all time.

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2013 1:47pm

Wouldn't say there's a huge amount of Shrek Smash and Crash out there but no one wants it because it sucks, yet it was one of the final releases on the PS2

o1s1n · 01-08-2013 2:53pm

It depends which consoles are popular to get complete collections for. The NES is one of them, so it's why you see crap titles going for stupid money. The Snes and the Megadrive have gone that way too. (moreso the Snes)

Who knows which console it will be in the future. I would imagine the DS will be up there as it's almost the Snes of the previous gen.

Ste- · 01-08-2013 3:01pm

o1s1n wrote: »

Worth €700-€1000

Used to own this. Gutted now I sold all but 4 of my Megadrive games to fund my first PS1.

o1s1n · 01-08-2013 3:03pm

Ste- wrote: »

Used to own this. Gutted now I sold all but 4 of my Megadrive games to fund my first PS1.

Oh ****! You definitely had the blue cover version and not this one?

The blue cover version is probably the rarest Megadrive game. There are less than a handful known to exist.

The 'Classics' version is nowhere near as rare (only worth about €15-€20)

Ste- · 01-08-2013 3:19pm

o1s1n wrote: »

Oh ****! You definitely had the blue cover version and not this one?

The blue cover version is probably the rarest Megadrive game. There are less than a handful known to exist.

The 'Classics' version is nowhere near as rare (only worth about €15-€20)

If memory serves correct I had the brown one. Crisis averted. Phhheeeewwwww

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2013 3:22pm

I don't like folk collecting for investment, it means people who want to play them are going without because of it.

And sneaky repro sellers should be dragged onto the street and beaten with hammers though.

o1s1n · 01-08-2013 5:18pm

Collecting anything for 100% investment is a bit crap really - however if you collect something for the love of it, then in many cases it has a nice side effect of being an investment too.

There are definitely things in my collection which were bought because they're rare and collectible. I do like collecting rare things - don't know if it's because I like the idea that they're an investment or what, but it's just something I do!

Repro makers are a scourge, they've turned collecting rare Megadrive games into a minefield. Thankfully I can discern pretty quickly if something is a repro, however I feel sorry for the folks who fell for it.

Earthbound is another one that's really tricky to get these days because of this. Lots of folk think they have a 100% original US cart but it's in fact a repro with a Tsop adapter inside (kind of like our translated Japanese ones, but created for nefarious purposes!)

CosmicSmash · 01-08-2013 5:25pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I don't like folk collecting for investment, it means people who want to play them are going without because of it.

What happened to buying a game just because you want to play it and not what it will be worth in ten years time. I'm guilty of buying games sometimes that I know I will struggle to find time to play, but hope to play when I have the time available. Don't see the point of having a load of games that I gave good money for, that I have no intention of playing just to complete a set, lifes too short and time is too precious.;)

CosmicSmash · 01-08-2013 5:28pm

o1s1n wrote: »

Earthbound is another one that's really tricky to get these days because of this. Lots of folk think they have a 100% original US cart but it's in fact a repro with a Tsop adapter inside (kind of like our translated Japanese ones, but created for nefarious purposes!)

It's just like adding subtitles plus you get better box art.

o1s1n · 01-08-2013 5:39pm

Monkeykube wrote: »

It's just like adding subtitles plus you get better box art.

Nothing wrong with our ones at all as they weren't built to deceive people

Myrddin · 01-08-2013 6:09pm

Monkeykube wrote: »

It's just like adding subtitles plus you get better box art.

The difference being I charged €25 quid to transform carts you all bought yourselves. I didn't buy up a load of us carts, print labels & charge €300 for them

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2013 6:27pm

EnterNow wrote: »

The difference being I charged €25 quid to transform carts you all bought yourselves. I didn't buy up a load of us carts, print labels & charge €300 for them

And for that both I and my wallet thank you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgpT5rEKIU

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 10:51pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Well, I have to disagree.
One of the great and interesting pursuits is what is going to be worth what in years to come.
For example I had a copy of Tempest 3000 when I owned a Nuon, a rare game as it's on a rare system, but it only cost around €40 or €50 to buy.

Wii games are ten a penny and everyone can cite the likes of Metroid Trilogy as a limited run game that is now worth a few bob.

The Nintendo Club games are readily available, and many collectors are probably doing what you have suggested, but this means, logging onto ebay, you can find plenty of them.
Region limited stuff like the Au only follow up is an fine example of the rarer more valuable items and, yes, if you find one buy it.

Rule of Rose?
I have it in my collection.
There wasn't a GB/Irl version, never released here.
The european version that's readily available is a little more expensive but is the edition that we would have gotten had it been released here, the only difference are some ratings labels and the language of the instruction manual.

There was a great britan/Irish version of rule of rose.It hit shielfs and was recalled instantly almost.People have got their hands on it.look up dr retro aka psxcollecting videos or thread on his website playstationcollecting.com about it.

Flinstones 2 was released here and in the US and it was an exclusive and its an incredibly rare game in both regions.
Little Samson was also released over here and the us.So was stadium events and all the NTSC versions are very expensive

Nobody really can tell how much it will rise in value in the future because I know of a handful of games that are extremely hard to get but are affordable because people don't know it's rarity and they aren't saught after.

It's just an awesome piece to own regardless if its price rises but itsmost likely one of the rarest ds games.
Rare as in there's less printed copy's
Of this title than any other ds game.

Also I play all my games unless they are sealed.I would never sell but the value increase of my collection is an exciting part of collecting.I even play the bad ones.

I also don't mind people buying games for its history or value or because it would be a nice conversation piece in their collection and not playing it.Because certain people see game collecting as preserving gaming history.

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:02pm

Also isn't it at 5000 stars ? Isn't that like for every 25 games you get you can claim one copy so it makes it quite hard to stock up on these.Im sure the print run is a lot lower than metroid prime trilogy

o1s1n · 01-08-2013 11:05pm

wrote:

I also don't mind people buying games for its history or value or because it would be a nice conversation piece in their collection and not playing it.Because certain people see game collecting as preserving gaming history.

Exactly.

No matter whether we care or not, we're
all part of a digital history.

If you're playing and collecting games you're actually something of a conservationist. Otherwise you'd be using mame/XBox Live etc.

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:14pm

o1s1n wrote: »

Exactly.

No matter whether we care or not, we're all part of a digital history.

If you're playing and collecting classic games actually something of a conservationist. Otherwise you'd be using mame/XBox Live etc.

Yeah without us over time those games would almost cease to exist and be taken out of circulation.

Like with action comics #1 nobody seen it as history or collectible and that's why there is only a handful around today.

o1s1n · 01-08-2013 11:18pm

Kealy1994 wrote: »

Yeah without us over time those games would almost cease to exist and be taken out of circulation.

Like with action comics #1 nobody seen it as history or collectible and that's why there is only a handful around today.

Yep! Kind of interesting when you realize you're on the forefront of something like that.

Videogames are huge. They're your long line of descendants entertainment - and most of us were relatively close to the beginning (with original hardware to boot)

Tis all fairly amazing.

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:26pm

You know what would be awesome some of the guys with complete collections all exhibiting their games with the matching consoles.
Maybe even with old adverts playing of the games from the time
on some tvs.

Definately something interesting to look into and I'm sure the Trinity Science Gallery would be the people to talk about to do that.I seen a great exhibtion a few months in there using innovative ways to play games.

Retr0gamer · 01-08-2013 11:31pm

Speaking of which I'm kicking myself. Bought If my Heart had Wings from playasia and was looking forward to a lavish boxed copy. My order arrived without this game. I checked only to realise I got the digital version by mistake. Idiot. It cost 2 euro more for a boxed copy. Very tempted to order it again considering how hard it is to find these localised digital novels, just look at the price of Ever 17.

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2013 11:32pm

Kealy1994 wrote: »

There was a great britan/Irish version of rule of rose.It hit shielfs and was recalled instantly almost.People have got their hands on it.look up dr retro aka psxcollecting videos or thread on his website playstationcollecting.com about it.

If you could post a link to the article that'd be great.
According to the wiki page only review copies were circulated to magazines and the like, no shelf release.
Review copies are unlikely to include box art and manuals, and the game disc itself is common across Europe, as I said.
Ingame language is English and so on.
But if there is a PAL version with an English language manual I'd be delighted to see it.

Found this, but the seller quoted seems to be a con merchant so the game could have had a faked manual
http://www.playstationcollecting.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=65&threadid=74987

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:34pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Speaking of which I'm kicking myself. Bought If my Heart had Wings from playasia and was looking forward to a lavish boxed copy. My order arrived without this game. I checked only to realise I got the digital version by mistake. Idiot. It cost 2 euro more for a boxed copy. Very tempted to order it again considering how hard it is to find these localised digital novels, just look at the price of Ever 17.

Is that similar to those metal gear solid graphic novel games on the psp.
Its more of a digital graphic novel than an actual game

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:37pm

http://www.playstationcollecting.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=65&threadid=74987

check this thread

Xed is Dr Retro and psxcollecting on youtube.

He is a Sony expert and I find most of my information off him.

He also sells his doubles on ebay but if you email him he gives better prices.

Retr0gamer · 01-08-2013 11:45pm

Kealy1994 wrote: »

Is that similar to those metal gear solid graphic novel games on the psp.
Its more of a digital graphic novel than an actual game

Kind of except you get to make decisions at certain points during the story that effect how it plays out. It's more like 999 on the DS.

I kind of don't get the whole only buying from a certain region mentality some people have. If a game is avaialable I'll buy it in whatever region I can get it in unless it's something like PAL PS1 or N64 game where the PAL versions are vastly inferior to the NTSC ones. I'd stay well clear of them unless it was a PAL exclusive in english. Then again I buy my games to play, collection is secondary.

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:57pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Kind of except you get to make decisions at certain points during the story that effect how it plays out. It's more like 999 on the DS.

I kind of don't get the whole only buying from a certain region mentality some people have. If a game is avaialable I'll buy it in whatever region I can get it in unless it's something like PAL PS1 or N64 game where the PAL versions are vastly inferior to the NTSC ones. I'd stay well clear of them unless it was a PAL exclusive in english. Then again I buy my games to play, collection is secondary.

Sounds epic man !

I know there more common in the japanese region

Well Im a comic collector and I come from that mentality I want the cents sign not the p and I want the rarest variant I can afford.

I have nothing against anyone buying a more expensive or cheaper variation.Collecting the the rarest variation and getting it for a decent price is all apart of the fun of collecting/hunting for games.

Im a video game player first more than a collector too.But if I didn't have to urge to collect id just buy the cheaper digital version.Collecting is my hobby and collecting variations and first prints is fun for me to collect.

But everybody has their own way of collecting.

Kealy1994 · 01-08-2013 11:59pm

But if I was a person from the US Id choose the pal stadium or buy a reprint rather than buying an original.30-50 thousand you cant really justify for a game..

Flaregon · 03-08-2013 6:25pm

finally remembered the sega game

mick & mack : global Gladiators, how is killing snot eco lol.

ElvisChrist6 · 03-08-2013 6:35pm

I don't know if you're interested in playing through all that you get as well, but if you get the chance, make sure to pick up Skullmonkeys if you don't have it already. Still my favourite game of all, fantastic claymation look, really funny game too. The cutscenes are the best cutscenes I have honestly ever seen, fantastic soundtrack. The only game soundtrack I still listen to separate to the game. It's quite a difficult platformer, but the password system makes it easy enough to keep going.

Star Lord · 03-08-2013 7:50pm

Flaregon wrote: »

finally remembered the sega game

mick & mack : global Gladiators, how is killing snot eco lol.

Mc Donalds had something to do with that game if I remember correctly? Think I'd picked it up second hand, or borrowed it from a school friend for the game gear

TechnoFreek · 03-08-2013 7:56pm

Had Mick and mack global gladiators on the Amiga. Very good platformer.
Had to collect McDonald's arches.

I don't recall skullmonkeys on the ps1 at all and I was very clued in to that generation.

CiDeRmAn · 03-08-2013 9:31pm

TechnoFreek wrote: »

ps1 at all and I was very clued in to that generation.

The game is quite mental, a sequel of sorts to The Neverhood, which was a point and click adventure with the characteristic clay-mation graphics.
Skullmonkeys is batsh1t insane though, and the visuals and the music make up for a fairly ho-hum platformer underneath.
I have it on the PS and it is a pricey game to find now.
But that music, I have it on the PC somewhere and give it a blast now and again.
I don't feel too bad about that as I paid the musicians who made it for the double cd soundtrack and I never got it, nor did they reply to my emails so screw them!
But, just to give a sample of how insanely brilliant it is, here's the music and song from the Bonus Room.... enjoy.... (and listen all the way through!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNEqk8DXRQk

Kealy1994 · 03-08-2013 9:57pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The game is quite mental, a sequel of sorts to The Neverhood, which was a point and click adventure with the characteristic clay-mation graphics.
Skullmonkeys is batsh1t insane though, and the visuals and the music make up for a fairly ho-hum platformer underneath.
I have it on the PS and it is a pricey game to find now.
But that music, I have it on the PC somewhere and give it a blast now and again.
I don't feel too bad about that as I paid the musicians who made it for the double cd soundtrack and I never got it, nor did they reply to my emails so screw them!
But, just to give a sample of how insanely brilliant it is, here's the music and song from the Bonus Room.... enjoy.... (and listen all the way through!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNEqk8DXRQk

Im a big pc point and click adventure fan.
I love Grim Fandago and I want to pick up
the big box version but its expensive but
ill get a good deal on it some day.The lucasarts
classics edition will do for now.

I'm a big fan of the Neverhood aswell I had it as
a kid but I lost my copy over time,I would want
to get the physical release again someday but
the prices are crazy ! : )

Its the same with most older pc games
especially the big boxes.

MrShivers · 03-08-2013 10:08pm

I regret my stupid decision, a few years ago when I was probably 12 or so I dumped all of my PS1 collection which included 100+ games because I bought an Xbox 360.

CiDeRmAn · 03-08-2013 10:23pm

D'oh!

Kealy1994 · 03-08-2013 10:31pm

MrShivers wrote: »

I regret my stupid decision, a few years ago when I was probably 12 or so I dumped all of my PS1 collection which included 100+ games because I bought an Xbox 360.

Dude..
You just threw them all away or sold them ?

MrShivers · 03-08-2013 10:33pm

Kealy1994 wrote: »

Dude..
You just threw them all away or sold them ?

All in the feckin' bin mate, All in the feckin' bin....... *sighs*

Myrddin · 03-08-2013 10:44pm

Surely a penance has to be enacted? A full play though of Legend of Dragoon?

CiDeRmAn · 04-08-2013 12:50am

Perhaps the full degree level course, run by Sparks, in Boulder Dash studies?

Become Atavans AA sponsor?

Polish the gold wallpaper in O1s1ns pantry?

Iron Seras cosplay outfits?

Flaregon · 04-08-2013 4:47pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Surely a penance has to be enacted? A full play though of Legend of Dragoon?

That would be a fun, not a punishment......lol.

Retr0gamer · 04-08-2013 7:21pm

Flaregon wrote: »

That would be a fun, not a punishment......lol.

Really? It's quite possibly the worst RPG I've ever played. Souls destroyingly slow and generic.

Kealy1994 · 04-08-2013 7:38pm

Flaregon wrote: »

That would be a fun, not a punishment......lol.

I second this

Retr0gamer · 04-08-2013 8:23pm

People that like Legend of Dragoon played it when they were too young to know any better and would swallow up and old crap that was a JRPG. This is a scientifically proven fact based on a paper in Nature and the fact that I was once one of those people. It was a game so bad it quite literally almost put me off videogames.

Kealy1994 · 04-08-2013 8:41pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

People that like Legend of Dragoon played it when they were too young to know any better and would swallow up and old crap that was a JRPG. This is a scientifically proven fact based on a paper in Nature and the fact that I was once one of those people. It was a game so bad it quite literally almost put me off videogames.

I only first played it this year,I never heard of this game when I
was young and I quite like it.A lot of people consider it the best jrpg on the system.Its not the best Jrpg I played or my favorite on the ps1 but it is certainly a good one.

Retr0gamer · 04-08-2013 9:32pm

Was there not parts of it that made you cringe at least. How bland the battle system was with only attack, item and defend and dragoon transformations that added nothing to it. The addition system slowing the game down to a crawl and killing the pace, they stole that from Mario RPG but extended it out so battles took way to long. The PAL version was even worse in this regard. It made the game a real slog with battles that out stayed their welcome. The story that was such a cynical cash in on FFVII right down to chasing a silver haired bad guy across the world and the laughably bad death scene at the mid way mark. Then there was the power rangers colour coding of the good guys and Roses lame reveal. It looked awful as well for a game from 2000.

Then there was the outrageously bad translation although it was so bad it almost became good. The one exception was how the main character treated Sharla which was pretty disgusting, extraordinarily sexist.

That game has so many problems but I think the worst is how cynical a cash in it is. Sony said they wanted a piece of FF and made a game that is totally designed by committee. It just felt so soulless to me. It got pasted in reviews at the time and rightfully so, GIA's review sums it up the best for me: http://thegia.psy-q.ch/sites/www.thegia.com/psx/lod/lod.html

Would like to hear what you thought about it. I'll try and hold back :P It amazes me people are willing to pay so much for it considering it's far from rare, awful and the amount of quality RPGs on the system more deserving of anyone's time.

Flaregon · 05-08-2013 1:14am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Really? It's quite possibly the worst RPG I've ever played. Souls destroyingly slow and generic.

ROFL if u think thay way give me your copy's, I bet u have 5.....

p.s like me the good stuff on the ps1, mr retro gamer sir...

Going for a full Ps1 Collection

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