Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Russian and alt-right Interference in democracies.

Options
1…1617182022

Comments

  • Options
    #572
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Yeah, let's keep trying to prove negatives. All three said ( three being Clapper, Obama, Comey ) they have no insight into Wikileaks and the publications, I.E they don't know how they got the documents.

    Can you provide substantiation to this opinion? It appears to be totally false.
    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    ( Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia ).

    It also appears to be at odds with your previous (completely false) statement?

    Your previous statement stated that they SAID NO TIES to Russia.
    Now you are saying they didn't say this they said they had no insight?

    After contradicting yourself repeatedly perhaps its time for you to provide a source for your ramblings?


  • Options
    #573
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    US Congressman talks Russian money laundering with alleged ex-spy in Berlin

    This looks very bad for Dana Rohrabacher.
    The focus, according to two eyewitnesses in the hotel lobby, was a U.S. federal money-laundering case in New York. The government is targeting Prevezon Holdings, a Cyprus company that has invested in Manhattan real estate and which prosecutors allege was the receptacle for some of the $230 million stolen from Russian taxpayers in 2007. Rohrabacher acknowledged to CNN that the case came up in conversation with Akhmetshin.
    The case is set to go to trial later this month after being beset by over a year of surreal sideshow controversies and delays. A prominent lawyer for the defense was thrown off the case owing to a perceived conflict of interest. More recently, one of the U.S. attorney's key witnesses, Russian lawyer Nikolai Gorokhov almost died when he plummeted from his Moscow apartment in March, a day before he was due to appear in a Russian court to present new evidence.

    This is one of the cases that Preet Bahara was working in when Trump fired him (and forty something other) Legal people.

    A few cases emanating from NY now. Watch out for Eric Scheidermann who is AG of NY. Although this appears to be a Federal State some of the evidence will be used at State level where Trump cant touch him.
    (Scneidermann busted the corrupt Trump University)


  • Options
    #574
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    demfad wrote: »
    Can you provide substantiation to this opinion? It appears to be totally false.



    That statement is a bit rich from the person who has repeatably said Putin had Russians murdered to cover up the election win and for months have said SOMETHING BIG IS COMING!!!. "Ramblings", ehehe.

    Obama said this in his final press conference

    Around the eight-minute mark of the press conference, Obama says he hasn’t “commented on WikiLeaks generally,” and that the “conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking were not conclusive as to whether WikiLeaks was witting or not in being the conduit through which we heard about the [Democratic National Committee] DNC e-mails that were leaked.”

    http://www.npr.org/2017/01/18/510291356/obamas-final-press-conference-as-president-annotated

    James Clapper said this in a hearing

    James Clapper, the nation’s top intelligence officer, told Congress his agencies “don’t have good insight” into a direct link between WikiLeaks and the emails supposedly hacked by a Russian operation from Democrats and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/10/james-clapper-we-dont-have-good-insight-potential-/

    James Comey said this two weeks ago

    Democratic National Committee and the email account of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta to some Russian group or groups -- and no such evidence has been publicly released by the agencies -- there's no clarity on how the spoils of the hacks fell into the hands of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Asked about it, Comey could only say this about "the Russians": "We assessed they used some kind of cutout. They didn't deal directly with WikiLeaks."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-21/why-the-comey-hearing-was-frightening-to-a-russian

    You can go deeper and look at Schiff's refusal to say Russia hacked John Podesta when he was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, but you get the idea.

    https://youtu.be/osRcP9DYjAQ?t=457

    All three statements point to what I've already said, they don't know from whom, or when Wikileaks got the dumps.


  • Options
    #575
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    That statement is a bit rich from the person who has repeatably said Putin had Russians murdered to cover up the election win and for months have said SOMETHING BIG IS COMING!!!. "Ramblings", ehehe.

    Obama said this in his final press conference

    Around the eight-minute mark of the press conference, Obama says he hasn’t “commented on WikiLeaks generally,” and that the “conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking were not conclusive as to whether WikiLeaks was witting or not in being the conduit through which we heard about the [Democratic National Committee] DNC e-mails that were leaked.”

    http://www.npr.org/2017/01/18/510291356/obamas-final-press-conference-as-president-annotated

    James Clapper said this in a hearing

    James Clapper, the nation’s top intelligence officer, told Congress his agencies “don’t have good insight” into a direct link between WikiLeaks and the emails supposedly hacked by a Russian operation from Democrats and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/10/james-clapper-we-dont-have-good-insight-potential-/

    James Comey said this two weeks ago

    Democratic National Committee and the email account of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta to some Russian group or groups -- and no such evidence has been publicly released by the agencies -- there's no clarity on how the spoils of the hacks fell into the hands of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Asked about it, Comey could only say this about "the Russians": "We assessed they used some kind of cutout. They didn't deal directly with WikiLeaks."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-21/why-the-comey-hearing-was-frightening-to-a-russian

    So when you said the below, that these people said there was NO TIES from wikileaks to Russia were you lying or just making a BuBu?

    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    ( Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia ).


  • Options
    #576
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    demfad wrote: »
    So when you said the below, that these people said there was NO TIES from wikileaks to Russia were you lying or just making a BuBu?

    Yes, as far as Wikileaks is concerned. Mike Pompeo called them a non state intelligence agency. Just because they receive information from different countries, it doesn't make them an actor for that state. There's no proof to suggest otherwise, the intelligence agencies have said there was no collusion, let alone any proof of how they got the email dumps.

    They don't know how Wikileaks got the info, and I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #577
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    That statement is a bit rich from the person who has repeatably said Putin had Russians murdered to cover up the election win and for months have said SOMETHING BIG IS COMING!!!. "Ramblings", ehehe.

    You know as well as anyone else that media have reported extensively on 8-10 of the Trump teams ties to Russia which they were caught lying about.
    You know Flynn was fired, lied to the FBI. You know there is a counter espionage investigation into the Trump team. Bigger than big. The first time ever a sitting administration is being investigated for treason.
    Session recused, Nunes under investigation, Chaffetz retiring.......
    You know leaks have shown that the Steele dossier is nearly fully verified by Intel. Senior members of House Intel investigation have said devastating circumstantial evidence + corroborating evidence.

    But no matter how much is said, you and posters like you will return and said that there is nothing, zero...and frankly at this stage IMO you are deliberately and falsely doing this.


  • Options
    #578
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    I dunno what media you are watching, but I'd suggest giving it a break for a while, or at least watching something that doesn't tell you everything you want to hear.

    Saying the Steele dossier is nearly fully verified by Intel is false and misleading, again this thing called confirmation bias. Buzzfeed and Steele himself are being sued on multiple fronts. One of them is a Russian company who the dossier alleged tried to send porn links into the DNC to hack their servers among others.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4365638/Cyprus-businessman-suing-Buzzfeed-unproven-Trump-dossier.html#ixzz4cqAcFSQi

    MIAMI (AP) - "A businessman based in Cyprus is suing the Buzzfeed online media outlet for defamation over its publication of an unproven dossier on President Donald Trump's purported activities involving Russia and allegations of Russian interference during last year's U.S. election."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/04/us/russia-trump-buzzfeed-sue.html

    "A Russian technology executive who was named in a dossier containing unverified allegations about connections between President Trump and the Russian government has sued BuzzFeed News, which published the information."

    Then there's the story about Cohen meeting with Russian offical in Prague, except Cohen was in America playing baseball with his son and has multiple witnesses along with his passport.

    https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/819187673961287681?lang=en

    Certain parts of the dossier may have some element of truth, but to say it's been almost completely verified is laughable.


  • Options
    #579
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭weisses


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Yeah, let's keep trying to prove negatives. All three said ( three being Clapper, Obama, Comey ) they have no insight into Wikileaks and the publications, I.E they don't know how they got the documents.

    Here's an actual question worth debating, why did the DNC hand their server to a ( now somewhat discredited ) third party and not let the FBI investigate it?

    Where did they state what you claimed in your quote below
    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia

    How can they claim (according to you) they had no insight into Wikileaks and the publications and also stating "no ties to Russia" ?


  • Options
    #580
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    No direct ties to the Russian Government, is it really that hard to understand, or does every point have to be one which is pedantic to bicker and point score.

    My opinion is that they don't know when or how Wikileaks got the email batches, and I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.


  • Options
    #581
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭weisses


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    No direct ties to the Russian Government, is it really that hard to understand, or does every point have to be one which is pedantic to bicker and point score.

    My opinion is that they don't know when or how Wikileaks got the email batches, and I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.

    Its clear now .. You are giving an opinion.. But don't claim someone said something when they are clearly not
    Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia

    Your point above is stating a fact

    Nothing to do with being pedantic and point scoring


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #582
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Russia up to no good?

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860973542934024193


  • Options
    #583
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Russia up to no good?

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860973542934024193

    Wikileaks knows that the Macron campaign team mixed usernames, passwords data to nullify the effect of the hack. It does not hurt Russia to post this.

    On the contrary Wikileaks, far-right activists and twitter bots worked hard to amplify the leaks.

    White nationalist Jack Prosebiec is suspected of leaking this and the GRU (Russian military Intelligence) is suspected of the hack.

    Huge mistake by Putin this. French law is strong in this field. He has now involved French Intelligence and administration. Another inquiry but this time the sitting administration will be 1000% pushing it.


  • Options
    #584
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    demfad wrote: »
    Wikileaks knows that the Macron campaign team mixed usernames, passwords data to nullify the effect of the hack. It does not hurt Russia to post this.

    On the contrary Wikileaks, far-right activists and twitter bots worked hard to amplify the leaks.

    White nationalist Jack Prosebiec is suspected of leaking this and the GRU (Russian military Intelligence) is suspected of the hack.

    Huge mistake by Putin this. French law is strong in this field. He has now involved French Intelligence and administration. Another inquiry but this time the sitting administration will be 1000% pushing it.

    Very good point about the investigation being pursused wholeheartedly.


  • Options
    #585
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    demfad wrote: »
    Wikileaks knows that the Macron campaign team mixed usernames, passwords data to nullify the effect of the hack. It does not hurt Russia to post this.

    On the contrary Wikileaks, far-right activists and twitter bots worked hard to amplify the leaks.

    White nationalist Jack Prosebiec is suspected of leaking this and the GRU (Russian military Intelligence) is suspected of the hack.

    Huge mistake by Putin this. French law is strong in this field. He has now involved French Intelligence and administration. Another inquiry but this time the sitting administration will be 1000% pushing it.

    Time for crippling EU sanction against Russia. The Macron leaks, was so blatant, and there needs to be a response. Should also be investigation into collusion between Putin and the FN, especially as Le Pen mentioned some of fakes claims that appeared in the leaks during her debate with Macron, not to mention her already being openly funded by Russian banks.

    I think after the leaks in France, it pretty clear that Putin is up to no good, and very likely has Western collaborators.


  • Options
    #586
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    wes wrote: »
    Time for crippling EU sanction against Russia. The Macron leaks, was so blatant, and there needs to be a response. Should also be investigation into collusion between Putin and the FN, especially as Le Pen mentioned some of fakes claims that appeared in the leaks during her debate with Macron, not to mention her already being openly funded by Russian banks.

    I think after the leaks in France, it pretty clear that Putin is up to no good, and very likely has Western collaborators.

    Well, this happened in the Kremlin just six weeks ago. Probably a coincidence.

    170324105546-01-le-pen-putin-meet-0324-exlarge-169.jpg


  • Options
    #587
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Well, this happened in the Kremlin just six weeks ago. Probably a coincidence.

    She played it off as diplomacy, and if it wasn't for Putin linked Russian banks "loans", she would have a point. These people are basically being openly paid off, and there are people who still deny the obvious.

    **EDIT**
    Macron hackers linked to Russian-affiliated group behind US attack

    Cybersecurity firms think group with ties to Russian intelligence was behind leak of emails and other documents belonging to French election winner’s campaign team


    The hackers behind a “massive and coordinated†attack on the campaign of France’s president-elect, Emmanuel Macron, have been linked by a number of cybersecurity research firms to the same Russian-affiliated group blamed for attacking the Democratic party shortly before the US election.

    Tens of thousands of internal emails and other documents were released online overnight on Friday as the midnight deadline to halt campaigning in the French election passed.

    New York’s Flashpoint Intelligence and Tokyo-based Trend Micro have shared intelligence that suggests that the hacking group known variously as Advanced Persistent Threat 28, Fancy Bear and Pawn Storm was responsible. The group has been liked with the GRU, the Russian military intelligence directorate.

    Click here for full story

    More info on the attack. It pretty clear imho who is behind this.


  • Options
    #588
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    wes wrote: »
    She played it off as diplomacy, and if it wasn't for Putin linked Russian banks "loans", she would have a point. These people are basically being openly paid off, and there are people who still deny the obvious.

    **EDIT**


    More info on the attack. It pretty clear imho who is behind this.

    Quelle surprise!


  • Options
    #589
    Here we go
    Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭Here we go


    going to rant sorry in advance just on the hacks is it a case of liberal tyerny would we care if trump was hacked or la pen are we really as voters afraid to have to much information on are perspective leaders the French said people could be arrested for sharing and fair anuff some of it may of been fake and that's wrong and minipulating people but if a candidate is hacked and we get to know well here's there view they share in private on abortion when they say something different to the public here's who gave them money ect ect as long as its true tough the people should have as much information to make up there mind and instead of crying they got it off the wrong people in the wrong way are politicians need to be better and if they only pick on one person tough it's no one complains when someone leached the grab and hen by the kitty cat vid and there right not to people deserved to know this which hunt anti democratic trying to restrict information you know when your voting for a leader when we should be having better people who don't have theses issues running instead of people who ha e to hide it from us


  • Options
    #590
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Here we go wrote: »
    going to rant sorry in advance just on the hacks is it a case of liberal tyerny would we care if trump was hacked or la pen are we really as voters afraid to have to much information on are perspective leaders the French said people could be arrested for sharing and fair anuff some of it may of been fake and that's wrong and minipulating people but if a candidate is hacked and we get to know well here's there view they share in private on abortion when they say something different to the public here's who gave them money ect ect as long as its true tough the people should have as much information to make up there mind and instead of crying they got it off the wrong people in the wrong way are politicians need to be better and if they only pick on one person tough it's no one complains when someone leached the grab and hen by the kitty cat vid and there right not to people deserved to know this which hunt anti democratic trying to restrict information you know when your voting for a leader when we should be having better people who don't have theses issues running instead of people who ha e to hide it from us


    Is there any chance that you could perhaps format this? It's terribly unreadable - there are attempts at sentences there but no punctuation. It's really hard to read and most people will just ignore it and the rest will get a headache.

    I'm sure that there is a point in there about the content of the leaks being more important than the sustained hacking and leaking that's taking place - the topic of this thread - but without some form of punctuation, it'll get lost.

    Try reading what I wrote below to see the difference:

    Is there any change that you could perhaps format this its terribly unreadable there are attempts at sentences there but no punctures its really hard to read and most people will juice ignore it and the rest will get a headacne im sure that there is a point in there about the content of the leeks being more tasty than the sustaining hake and leaking thats taking place in the tropics of this thread but without some form of buttfúck itll get lost is there any change that you could perhaps format this its terribly unreadable there are attempts at sentences there but no punctures its really hard to read and most people will juice ignore it and the rest will get a headacne im sure that there is a point in there about the content of the leeks being more tasty than the sustaining hake and leaking thats taking place in the tropics of this thread but without some form of buttfúck itll get lost


  • Options
    #591
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Here we go wrote: »
    ...and fair anuff some of it may of been fake and that's wrong and minipulating people...

    Well thats the problem isnt it?

    Foreign countries intelligence services interfering with elections is something to be investigated.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #592
    Here we go
    Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭Here we go


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Is there any chance that you could perhaps format this? It's terribly unreadable - there are attempts at sentences there but no punctuation. It's really hard to read and most people will just ignore it and the rest will get a headache.

    I'm sure that there is a point in there about the content of the leaks being more important than the sustained hacking and leaking that's taking place - the topic of this thread - but without some form of punctuation, it'll get lost.

    Try reading what I wrote below to see the difference:

    Is there any change that you could perhaps format this its terribly unreadable there are attempts at sentences there but no punctures its really hard to read and most people will juice ignore it and the rest will get a headacne im sure that there is a point in there about the content of the leeks being more tasty than the sustaining hake and leaking thats taking place in the tropics of this thread but without some form of buttfúck itll get lost is there any change that you could perhaps format this its terribly unreadable there are attempts at sentences there but no punctures its really hard to read and most people will juice ignore it and the rest will get a headacne im sure that there is a point in there about the content of the leeks being more tasty than the sustaining hake and leaking thats taking place in the tropics of this thread but without some form of buttfúck itll get lost

    Sorry Iv always wrote like this not great at format . And I was able to read yours fine just the way I am I guess. I read like that also was always told in school to stop at full stops ect but would just fly along.


  • Options
    #593
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    wes wrote: »
    Time for crippling EU sanction against Russia. The Macron leaks, was so blatant, and there needs to be a response. Should also be investigation into collusion between Putin and the FN, especially as Le Pen mentioned some of fakes claims that appeared in the leaks during her debate with Macron, not to mention her already being openly funded by Russian banks.

    I think after the leaks in France, it pretty clear that Putin is up to no good, and very likely has Western collaborators.

    If the Russians are leaking information relevant to an election, more power to them.

    I'm old enough to remember when wikileaks were the good guys.


  • Options
    #594
    Here we go
    Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭Here we go


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Well thats the problem isnt it?

    Foreign countries intelligence services interfering with elections is something to be investigated.

    When I say fake I refer to the French hack. Which if I understand correct the fake documents where put in by macrons staff as to discredit any hack. So people wouldn't know what was real documents and fake. The us election was all real documents. Is it that it was hacked that people are upset or the fact trump got in or the fact the Russians seem to be responsible. If I hacked and gave it to the New York Times would that be ok. If some one on her staff gave it to CNN would that be ok.? it's being called a rigged election but afaik no votes where tampered with. The people where given information which was true went into a voting both with what they knew about the candites they chose one that's democracy to stop people being informed because it helps the wrong person is not democratic. Do we want free and fair elections as long as we pick the right pre approved person


  • Options
    #595
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Here we go wrote: »
    Sorry Iv always wrote like this not great at format . And I was able to read yours fine just the way I am I guess. I read like that also was always told in school to stop at full stops ect but would just fly along.

    No worries. It's just that a lot of people will just skim past a post like that and ignore it. Your other post looked much better.


  • Options
    #596
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Here we go wrote: »
    When I say fake I refer to the French hack. Which if I understand correct the fake documents where put in by macrons staff as to discredit any hack. So people wouldn't know what was real documents and fake. The us election was all real documents. Is it that it was hacked that people are upset or the fact trump got in or the fact the Russians seem to be responsible. If I hacked and gave it to the New York Times would that be ok. If some one on her staff gave it to CNN would that be ok.? it's being called a rigged election but afaik no votes where tampered with. The people where given information which was true went into a voting both with what they knew about the candites they chose one that's democracy to stop people being informed because it helps the wrong person is not democratic. Do we want free and fair elections as long as we pick the right pre approved person

    The problem is that an outside country can use this information as leverage.

    Imagine you have a parent, a sibling and a nosey neighbour. Now, imagine this neighbour saw that you had a boy over and threatened to get you in trouble if you don't steal some money from your parent's purse and give it to her.

    Also, imagine your sibling did the same thing but this neighbour knows that she won't be blackmailed so the neighbour just snitches on her anyway.


    After some time, after you've been taking money from your parent she now threatens to tell the parent that not only did you have a boy over, you also stole money. Now she has much more leverage over you and now wants you to poison your dog.

    After killing your dog, it starts to become clear that having a boy over is nothing in comparison to using blackmail to kill a pet. Your sibling got in trouble but you just murdered a poor dog for her.

    Seriously, this woman is psycho and must be stopped as she might want you to kill a child now that she can expose you for killing a helpless animal. In this scenario, should you be more concerned that your sibling had a boyfriend over or should you be more concerned that this crazy lady is already planning on getting you to burn down an orphanage?


  • Options
    #597
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Here we go wrote: »
    When I say fake I refer to the French hack. Which if I understand correct the fake documents where put in by macrons staff as to discredit any hack. So people wouldn't know what was real documents and fake. The us election was all real documents. Is it that it was hacked that people are upset or the fact trump got in or the fact the Russians seem to be responsible.

    One of the most quoted emails, the one from Podesta, was a fake.
    Clearly if the media has not been stupid and spent all their time reporting nothing emails the Us wouldn't be in this mess.
    If even half that time was spent investigating Trumps corrupt business and political ties he would have been annihilated.
    The French got it right: The focus was on who was hacking and why. Thats why it backfired on LePen. She was being aided by Russians to cheat the election.


  • Options
    #598
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    If the Russians are leaking information relevant to an election, more power to them.

    It wasn't relevant and they faked multiple documents, and also leaking and faking information so that pro-Russian facists win elections isn't something any right thinking person would want.

    BTW, the US leaks lead to the Pizza gate nonsense (among other stupidity), where a bloody idiot walkted into a pizza place and fired off a few shots:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/05/gunman-detained-at-comet-pizza-restaurant-was-self-investigating-fake-news-reports


    This is the kind of insanity that Russia's bull**** has lead to.

    Then there is the little matter of the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the Eastern Ukraine (where Russian soliders go on holiday :rolleyes:).
    Yourself isit wrote: »
    I'm old enough to remember when wikileaks were the good guys.

    Wikileaks want to take down the establishment are happy to work with the far right to do so. They are basically useful idiots for Russia at this point, and Assange has imho become increasingly unhinged.


  • Options
    #599
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    wes wrote: »
    Time for crippling EU sanction against Russia. The Macron leaks, was so blatant, and there needs to be a response. Should also be investigation into collusion between Putin and the FN, especially as Le Pen mentioned some of fakes claims that appeared in the leaks during her debate with Macron, not to mention her already being openly funded by Russian banks.

    I think after the leaks in France, it pretty clear that Putin is up to no good, and very likely has Western collaborators.
    demfad wrote: »
    Wikileaks knows that the Macron campaign team mixed usernames, passwords data to nullify the effect of the hack. It does not hurt Russia to post this.

    On the contrary Wikileaks, far-right activists and twitter bots worked hard to amplify the leaks.

    White nationalist Jack Prosebiec is suspected of leaking this and the GRU (Russian military Intelligence) is suspected of the hack.

    Huge mistake by Putin this. French law is strong in this field. He has now involved French Intelligence and administration. Another inquiry but this time the sitting administration will be 1000% pushing it.


    https://apnews.com/fc570e4b400f4c7db3b0d739e9dc5d4d

    "The head of the French government’s cyber security agency, which investigated leaks from President Emmanuel Macron’s election campaign, says they found no trace of a notorious Russian hacking group behind the attack.

    In an interview in his office Thursday with The Associated Press, Guillaume Poupard said the Macron campaign hack “was so generic and simple that it could have been practically anyone.”"


  • Options
    #600
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    demfad wrote: »
    One of the most quoted emails, the one from Podesta, was a fake.

    That's a total lie just like claiming Russia hacked Macron. Not a single email was fake.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #601
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    That's a total lie just like claiming Russia hacked Macron. Not a single email was fake.

    You're about as credible as Donald Trump with your standard of replies these days Hank.


Advertisement