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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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    #1292
    joe123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Mc Love wrote: »
    Just got an email saying they are surveying in my area despite being told that I would be able to get around Jan 2021 - its been pushed out to May 21

    Where you based?


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    #1293
    df02169
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭df02169


    https://twitter.com/NatBroadbandIrl/status/1318865369096912896

    Second list of townlands for Carlow.

    Anyone have any idea when the Meath list will be out? I had read the Dunboyne surveying was to start in weeks, but that was a couple of months ago.


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    #1294
    heavydawson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    WestWicklow1 wrote: »
    And the same for me. Based in west Wicklow....

    Surveying is now underway in your area, which means a detailed network design is being produced in order to bring the NBI™ network to your premise. We anticipate that your premise will be available for connection within the date range below*:

    September 2021 - November 2021

    Also got the email 2 minutes ago for Tipperary. Same date-range (Sept-Nov '21)


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    #1295
    Wing126
    Registered Users Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭Wing126


    df02169 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/NatBroadbandIrl/status/1318865369096912896

    Second list of townlands for Carlow.

    Anyone have any idea when the Meath list will be out? I had read the Dunboyne surveying was to start in weeks, but that was a couple of months ago.




    Yeah, back in August, I was told they'd start surveying within 4 weeks. But after the 4 weeks came and went, I contacted them again and they said they don't know when surveying will begin for Meath and just gave me the spiel about it being a 5-7 year plan.


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    #1296
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    joe123 wrote: »
    Where you based?

    Limerick


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    #1297
    joe123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Im slightly confused on their double announcements for some areas.

    Back in June they announced they were surveying Carlow
    https://twitter.com/NatBroadbandIrl/status/1269990905353834503

    Then again today they announced new areas in Carlow.
    https://twitter.com/NatBroadbandIrl/status/1318865369096912896

    Are these part of the original survey or are they considered a phase 2? Again down to the lack of detail NBI provide maybe all these areas in Carlow were included in their initial announcement?


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    #1298
    ECO_Mental
    Registered Users Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Hi

    Just got this update email from NBI and I did see them last week installing underground cabling to one or two houses that don't have overhead infrastructure near me. I am building a house so used my neighbours Eircode. I think I should get connected before I move in next summer but if I was ready it look like it could be very early in the new year.

    Based in Cork near Ballygarvan


    Hello there,

    Thank you for signing up for updates with National Broadband Ireland (NBI). We are pleased to confirm that the premises associated with Eircode XXXXXX is in the National Broadband Plan Intervention Area* (IA). This means that once your premise is ready for connection, you will have access to the NBI™ network, Ireland's new high-speed fibre broadband network.

    We are actively working in your area building the NBI™ network to bring high-speed fibre broadband to your door. We anticipate that your premise will be available for connection to the NBI™ network within the date range below*:

    December 2020 - February 2021^

    The NBI™ network is a Fibre-to-the-Home (FTTH) network, a highly reliable technology using fibre-optic cables capable of delivering speeds up to 10Gb. The NBI™ network will be providing initial speeds of up to 1Gb for business and residential users, with a minimum speed of 500Mb. Our network will be ready to grow alongside your data needs.

    As a Wholesale Open Access Provider, NBI does not sell broadband directly to homes or businesses. Instead, we supply and partner with trusted broadband providers to deliver the NBI™ network services to your door. These broadband providers will be listed on our website as soon as they are ready to get you connected.

    We'll be in touch again once your area is ready for connection.

    Kind regards,
    The NBI team


    *The IA is a mapped area – compiled and owned by the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (DCCAE) - where there are currently no plans for commercial development of high-speed broadband.

    ^ Date range above is indicative and is subject to change. This may be due to unforeseen circumstances, or those outside of NBI’s control.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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    #1299
    TheSegal
    Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭TheSegal


    Some KN and NBI engineers pulling white cable through at Carnmore school road in Galway


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    #1300
    StickyMcGinty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    Got similar emails to the rest today for East Wicklow.

    Can I ask - what happens when you get “enabled”

    Do you need to get a cable ran in to your house from the street via a provider like Vodafone etc or is there some other mechanism?


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    #1301
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    StickyMcGinty wrote: »
    Got similar emails to the rest today for East Wicklow.

    Can I ask - what happens when you get “enabled”

    Do you need to get a cable ran in to your house from the street via a provider like Vodafone etc or is there some other mechanism?

    East Wicklow where.?


    Fibre Cable has to come to your physical building from the street by NBI.


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    #1302
    WestWicklow1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭WestWicklow1


    StickyMcGinty wrote: »
    Do you need to get a cable ran in to your house from the street via a provider like Vodafone etc or is there some other mechanism?

    See post 1265 of this thread here...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114955122&postcount=1265


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    #1303
    uch
    Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭uch


    StickyMcGinty wrote: »
    Got similar emails to the rest today for East Wicklow.

    Can I ask - what happens when you get “enabled”

    Do you need to get a cable ran in to your house from the street via a provider like Vodafone etc or is there some other mechanism?

    NBI are a wholesale operation, when they have ran the infrastructure, then it's up to you to contact a retail service provider to get connected

    21/25



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    #1304
    uch
    Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭uch


    listermint wrote: »
    East Wicklow where.?


    Fibre Cable has to come to your physical building from the street by NBI.

    No, NBI will run it to your area, then it's up to you to get a retailer to connect you

    21/25



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    #1305
    uch
    Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭uch


    I'm not involved in any way with NBI, but I have a contact, Parts of Cork (carigaline), Galway & Cavan will be the first one's connected to NBI, after that I believe Monaghan and parts of Offaly will be next, if I have any other info to enlighten people after that I will share here, but like I said, I'm only going by my contact

    21/25



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    #1306
    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Deployment areas [URL="https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/16717-national-broadband-plan-contract/
    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/govieassets/76784/c6ec5e2e-c907-46fb-bdf4-9a889cac10f2.pdf"]from contract[/URL] pic (p68) below.

    6034073

    kmz attachment below is an estimate of the fuzzy picture above and includes navi's (aka Emmanuel Lemon Louse) list of OLT locations. It should load in Google Maps.

    <speculation>The colours might once have signified the year of deployment as planned in November 2019. (eg green 2020, grey 2021)
    Even if that was so, there seem to have been changes since.

    Update: This attachment has been updated to make it clearer in the map description that it is not an official map.


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    #1307
    fergus1001
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    clohamon wrote:
    Deployment areas


    where did you get your hands on this ?


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    #1308
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    where did you get your hands on this ?

    It's in the NBP contract, posted it here a few months ago - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114448363#post114448363


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    #1309
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Interesting, its not by county borders either, its halfed even some towns on the west coast. completely different deployment areas.


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    #1310
    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭clohamon


    fergus1001 wrote: »
    where did you get your hands on this ?

    As The Cush says the image is in the published contract.
    Item 5 Schedule 2.3 page 68 here
    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/16717-national-broadband-plan-contract/

    navi's OLT locations are here (November 2019)
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111823589&postcount=1649

    The kmz is just my tracing of the (fuzzy) image along with navi's locations. It is not an official map.


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    #1311
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    This is the official list of OLT locations mapped to the 110 rollout areas from the contract


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    #1312
    joe123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    clohamon wrote: »
    Deployment areas [URL="https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/16717-national-broadband-plan-contract/
    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/govieassets/76784/c6ec5e2e-c907-46fb-bdf4-9a889cac10f2.pdf"]from contract[/URL] pic (p68) below.

    6034073

    kmz attachment below is an estimate of the fuzzy picture above and includes navi's (aka Emmanuel Lemon Louse) list of OLT locations. It should load in Google Maps.

    <speculation>The colours might once have signified the year of deployment as planned in November 2019. (eg green 2020, grey 2021)
    Even if that was so, there seem to have been changes since.

    Great work on this by the way. I didnt even know maps had that feature.


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    #1313
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    clohamon wrote: »
    kmz attachment below is an estimate of the fuzzy picture above and includes navi's (aka Emmanuel Lemon Louse) list of OLT locations. It should load in Google Maps.

    Thanks for that, got an error when loading the data
    2 columns were skipped when parsing the KML file, because there were too many columns, or some column names were too long or contained invalid characters. You may want to fix the file and upload again.


    Also my local OLT Newport (Tipp) is showing beside Newport Mayo.


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    #1314
    Ah-Watch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭Ah-Watch


    Can someone explain the areas to me. Nenagh is Rollout Area 96 and deployment area 86. Does this mean Nenagh is the 96th area to be surveyed area suggesting it would towards the end of all surveys? What does the 86 represent? There’s so little information on the NBI site it’s a little frustrating. ESP when FWA contracts with the likes of 3 and Eir are 24 months if you were to sign up with them there could be a chance your area could be connected inside that time. If there were dates for all areas on nbi people would have a better idea what they can do.


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    #1315
    joe123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Just wondering on these OLT's, how do they work exactly?

    Who built them in the first place as I assumed NBI were not using any of Open Eirs Infrastructure?

    Also just wondering what exactly is run from these OLT locations? Is it literally "this is where the fibre line starts?" When the list was first posted way back, it was mentioned that the further you are from one of these locations, the longer you will be waiting.

    Just using Galway OLT location as an example, I see the OLT location is literally Galway City, but the likes of Corrandulla are scheduled to be connected Jan 21 - March 21. This area would be at the edge of this OLT but yet it doesnt seem like they have to wait too long. So when we say you may have to wait longer to be connected, is it a matter of a month or two really?

    Just a matter of them running fibre cabling along polls?

    If there is any where I can read up more on how this all works send it my way, very interested in all of this. While I wait :pac:

    On a sidenote, it really does look like that map with the colour coding and deployment numbers is out of date. Again looking at Corrandulla (as its the nearest to be surveyed to me), I can see that the green area expands further than what was actually surveyed. If you look at the NBI map, there are some houses in that area with rollout dates Jan - March 21, while others are "premises pending survey" despite all being in the same demployment zone.


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    #1316
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Ah-Watch wrote: »
    Can someone explain the areas to me. Nenagh is Rollout Area 96 and deployment area 86. Does this mean Nenagh is the 96th area to be surveyed area suggesting it would towards the end of all surveys? What does the 86 represent?

    If you look at the column heading the 86 is the Deployment Area Unique Number Identifier, what this means I don't know. The numbers are not in any sequence and go all the way to 712. NBI/enet OLT location IDs assigned to the NBP rollout maybe?

    As regards the rollout area numbers, they appear to be just numbers in a list starting in Donegal and nothing to do with the surveying.


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    #1317
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    Ah-Watch wrote: »
    Can someone explain the areas to me. Nenagh is Rollout Area 96 and deployment area 86.

    Clifden and Oughterard are the same "Roll out area" but they are miles apart, so not sure of the logic here.


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    #1318
    NBAiii
    Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭NBAiii


    The Cush wrote: »
    If you look at the column heading the 86 is the Deployment Area Unique Number Identifier, what this means I don't know. The numbers are not in any sequence and go all the way to 712. NBI/enet OLT location IDs assigned to the NBP rollout maybe?

    As regards the rollout area numbers, they appear to be just numbers in a list starting in Donegal and nothing to do with the surveying.

    The deployment area number is the reference used internally by NBI so Cavan is 29, Carrigaline is 25 etc.

    The deployment areas 1 to 88 are enet OLT locations and are in alphabetical order from 1 to 81. I can only assume the subsequently decided they needed more locations and stuck the other 7 on the end.

    DAs 89 to 207 are open eir locations and again are in alphabetical order from 89 to 146 with the rest tagged on as above.

    The 5xx 6xx and 7xx all seem to be islands or related to islands.

    I suspect the 1 to 88 locations are more likely to get built first.


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    #1319
    NBAiii
    Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭NBAiii


    joe123 wrote: »
    Just wondering on these OLT's, how do they work exactly?

    Who built them in the first place as I assumed NBI were not using any of Open Eirs Infrastructure?

    Also just wondering what exactly is run from these OLT locations? Is it literally "this is where the fibre line starts?" When the list was first posted way back, it was mentioned that the further you are from one of these locations, the longer you will be waiting.

    Just using Galway OLT location as an example, I see the OLT location is literally Galway City, but the likes of Corrandulla are scheduled to be connected Jan 21 - March 21. This area would be at the edge of this OLT but yet it doesnt seem like they have to wait too long. So when we say you may have to wait longer to be connected, is it a matter of a month or two really?

    Just a matter of them running fibre cabling along polls?

    If there is any where I can read up more on how this all works send it my way, very interested in all of this. While I wait :pac:

    On a sidenote, it really does look like that map with the colour coding and deployment numbers is out of date. Again looking at Corrandulla (as its the nearest to be surveyed to me), I can see that the green area expands further than what was actually surveyed. If you look at the NBI map, there are some houses in that area with rollout dates Jan - March 21, while others are "premises pending survey" despite all being in the same demployment zone.

    The OLT is the piece of equipment where the fibre signal that reaches your home emanates from. The ONT in your home communicates with the OLT over the fibre cable. Each deployment area needs its own OLT.

    The equipment has to be housed in a building and NBI have decided to use a mixture of enet and open eir buildings for this purpose (see post above). The fibre cable starts at these buildings and proceeds in several directions to cover each area. Therefore if you are closer to one of these buildings the quicker you are likely to be covered when they start building in your particular area.

    The fibre cable will be on poles or underground in ducts depending on the pre-existing infrastructue in a given area. The vast majority of these poles and ducts belong to eir which is why NBI are paying a large amount of money to use said infrastructure.

    From what I have seen so far it seems that they are going to build each deployment area in full, which may be several thousand premises, before moving on to the next.


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    #1320
    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭clohamon


    The Cush wrote: »
    Thanks for that, got an error when loading the data

    I can't attach KML or txt because the file is too big for boards I think. Try downloading your own copy from here.
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1h1fSHXa6-cHDuEvBb52AupxYBQnNRtbq&usp=sharing
    The Cush wrote: »
    Also my local OLT Newport (Tipp) is showing beside Newport Mayo.

    Apologies, fixed.


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    #1321
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,167 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    NBAiii wrote: »
    The equipment has to be housed in a building and NBI have decided to use a mixture of enet and open eir buildings for this purpose (see post above).

    Will NBI techs/contractors be given blanket site access under the contract or will it all be escort required? I can see the latter being messy.


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