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Unquiet graves RTE 1 tonight.....9.30pm

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  • Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    smurgen wrote: »
    Was there calls for LV to come clean during the election about the Dublin and Monaghan bombings? For his Garda commissioner to give us the details of the murders?

    Varadkar and Martin, like the cowards they are, went for the Paul Quinn file instead. All gone quiet on that, again, since the election is done and dusted for another few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    maccored wrote: »
    another security forces apologist
    Rubbish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    All concerned about ira killings....but anyone dare qs why garda commissioner shut down inquiries into 150 murders or point out media/government silence in face of a wave of evidence.....and your met with white noise and obstrusion




    Pure and utter joke of a country we have

    There are airports and ferry services if you reckon you will do better elsewhere


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Anyone know if this will be shown again?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭grayzer75


    Anyone know if this will be shown again?

    It's on the RTE player or you can rent / buy it on Youtube if you have no access to the RTE player.


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Edgware wrote: »
    There are airports and ferry services if you reckon you will do better elsewhere

    Ah yeah....usual.rubbish....garda commissioner helped cover up a decade long muder campaign.



    anyone who dare raise issue with this,or the government/media silence surronding it, is told to.leave the country,no wonder nothing ever changes here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Ah yeah....usual.rubbish....garda commissioner helped cover up a decade long muder campaign.



    anyone who dare raise issue with this,or the government/media silence surronding it, is told to.leave the country,no wonder nothing ever changes here

    What are you doing about changing it? What is a "muder campaign"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Edgware wrote: »
    What democratic mandate had SF got in 1970 to 1982 ?

    Also check out the many articles published by Tim Pat Coogan (The Irish Press) John. Mulcahy (Hibernia) Nell McCafferty, Raymond Smith, Fr Denis Faul which constantly raised British excesses. What you want is a one way attack on the British/Loyalist atrocities and ignore or justify the Provo/Officials/INLA atrocities

    This thread is about the unquiet graves documentary. About the Glennane gang that murder 120 civilians. Our current Garda commissioner should be dragged in and questioned on why no convictions came out of the 120 murders and why he shut down the collusion inquiry.

    https://twitter.com/Newrygal1/status/1306350768665092097?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Ah yeah....usual.rubbish....garda commissioner helped cover up a decade long muder campaign.



    anyone who dare raise issue with this,or the government/media silence surronding it, is told to.leave the country,no wonder nothing ever changes here

    No other country on earth would have put Drew Harris in the position he was in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    smurgen wrote: »
    No other country on earth would have put Drew Harris in the position he was in.

    Well he was put in the position he's in by the very same people who wanted to hold a state commemoration for the RIC/Black and Tans after all.

    That proposal was well received.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    smurgen wrote: »
    No other country on earth would have put Drew Harris in the position he was in.

    Not surprising. FG are as orange as a two tonne pallet of fanta. But "shure isn't our leo great altogether tweeting about rock concerts and quoting movies an dat"

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Disagree, many Irish people are in complete ignorance, due to the 'Irish' media being for the most part - particularly but not limited to the Independent group - aggressively anti-nationalist, partitionist, and pro-Loyalist.

    horrible legacy of the equally odious and preposterous Eoghan Harris


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    horrible legacy of the equally odious and preposterous Eoghan Harris
    God but you have it bad. Reading back issues of An Phoblacht again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    maccored wrote: »
    another security forces apologist

    Anyone that doesnt agree with the knuckle dragging propaganda emanating from Murder H.Q. on Falls Rd has to be an apoligist for the other murder scum.


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Edgware wrote: »
    Anyone that doesnt agree with the knuckle dragging propaganda emanating from Murder H.Q. on Falls Rd has to be an apoligist for the other murder scum.

    This has fcuk all to do with sinn fein or republicans.....1 victim out of 151 was found to have republican links,and at that was caught up in a pub bombing


    The garda commissioner covered up for this gang and all you can do.is drool.on about ,an poblacht,falls road and murder inc....fcuk sake,callous arrogance personified


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    bocaman wrote: »
    Why are people so astonished. Everyone knew there was collusion between the RUC and various loyalist death squads. It was classic counter insurgency tactics by the British government. As stated in the documentary they used they same tactics in Africa as tehir empire collapsed post WW2.

    Yep and the blue print for Northern Ireland came from the blue print for Kenya. It was called Gangs and Counter Gangs and written by General Kitson as a manual in how to conduct operations in mass detentions, population relocation, food control and running counter gangs. He wrote it after his experience in Kenya at keeping down the population there. All the tactics used by the British in Northern Ireland are outlined and explained in detail in this book, published in 1960.

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    smurgen wrote: »
    No other country on earth would have put Drew Harris in the position he was in.

    It is absolutely incredible that Drew Harris was the RUC point man for MI5 and he literally knows the names of everyone who planted those bombs in Dublin and Monaghan. In what other country would you have a head of the police knowing who murdered 33 innocent civilians and not doing anything about it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Growing up in Derry, everything in that documentary was common knowledge. Just no one outside of Northern Ireland wanted to believe it because it was so extreme. I missed the start, was the name of the British officer running the whole shebang mentioned?

    The ultimate objective was to start a civil war so the brits could go in and kill with impunity, wiping out the IRA and anything to do with it, annihilating the population as collateral.

    Always the conservative brit mentality 'we are better than you'. Still exists today, look at the latest Brexit debacle. There's no way they'll agree to the 50% & 1 clause in the Anglo Irish Agreement, if it ever comes up. They'll simply 'legislate' their way out of that too. They just signed it to get rid of the Irish problem by any means. Not a chance it'll be honoured if it interferes with the 'empire'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Edgware wrote: »
    Anyone that doesnt agree with the knuckle dragging propaganda emanating from Murder H.Q. on Falls Rd has to be an apoligist for the other murder scum.

    you'd fit right in up in portadown.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 kali.mist


    It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

    What? You did not want to know. It was only up the road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭speckled_park


    Just watched the document ary. Absolutely shocking , sad and scary. I'm 27 and a bit ignorant of the history of the north up until recently. Watched the Netflix documentary on the showband killing in the last while too.

    It's mad what went on up there and even sadder that successive governments since the founding of the state did little to help Irish people up there. Leo and Flanagan wanted to commemorate the auxs/tans? Crazy. On the surface appointing Harris looks dodgy too but I would need to read into it more. And Fianna Fail.. well Martin said recently unity is a decisive issue. What a joke that party are becoming. I guess his forefathers 100 years ago would have said allowing 2 seperate home ruling governments to run on this island would be a decisive issue too? Decisive to the point where we'll "shoot up" a school. Apologies if I am blabbering on a bit... Irish people need to bring back some of the pride and courage of Collins, Pearse, Connolly. Our leaders nowadays are cowards and we are to partly to blame for it too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭jelem


    Solli wrote: »
    The story does not end there. Drew Harris was appointed by FG as Garda Commissioner. He was also involved, see below.

    “In 2010, then Assistant Chief Constable Drew Harris wrote a letter to the legal representatives of UVF victims telling them that they would not get an investigation into the wider questions raised by the activities of the Glenanne gang. The most significant wider question was the extent of state involvement in the gang and its murderous activities, including the deaths of at least 89 people.

    In writing this letter, Drew Harris, who is now Deputy Chief Constable, was subverting a decade of assurance that the UK government had given to the Committee of Minister of the Council of Europe that investigations into state killings would be carried out independently and would examine patterns, links to reveal systematic violations by the state of the right to life enshrined in Article 2 of the European Convention of Human Rights.“

    Source
    https://www.relativesforjustice.com/drew-harris-must-resign-in-light-of-glenanne-judgment/
    appreciate you comment on the program.
    you comment on one side of the historic "story", what about the
    irish government\politicians\ira\inla\garda etc. involvement?
    Drew may be aware of both sides of story and as such
    be a good nominee to head an irish police force.
    it is unfortunate that political bias and small minded boxed in
    minds and attitudes have been and are brought into positions of power and authority.
    from an "outsider" living in ireland for approx 1/3 of life it is clear the
    irish citizens have whilst crawled from the jackboot of catholic church somewhat,
    the irish still bend over too easily to F.Fail and F Gail too easily. these two parties
    being involved since rising and civil war in "all sorts" which have been detrimental
    to irish citizens.
    it is way past time those two parties were removed from power to give the citizens
    some hope rather than last 20 years of same old same old


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    jelem wrote: »
    appreciate you comment on the program.
    you comment on one side of the historic "story", what about the
    irish government\politicians\ira\inla\garda etc. involvement?
    Drew may be aware of both sides of story and as such
    be a good nominee to head an irish police force.
    it is unfortunate that political bias and small minded boxed in
    minds and attitudes have been and are brought into positions of power and authority.
    from an "outsider" living in ireland for approx 1/3 of life it is clear the
    irish citizens have whilst crawled from the jackboot of catholic church somewhat,
    the irish still bend over too easily to F.Fail and F Gail too easily. these two parties
    being involved since rising and civil war in "all sorts" which have been detrimental
    to irish citizens.
    it is way past time those two parties were removed from power to give the citizens
    some hope rather than last 20 years of same old same old

    Load of absolute rubbish. Were the Guards systematically aiding the IRA while being directed by intelligence agencies answerable to the Irish government? Did Irish intelligence agencies have hands on involvement in the bombing of Britain? Did Irish intelligence services provide suitcases of intelligence to the IRA on British targets and sponsor them over a twenty year period? Did they b*llocks. The situations are absolutely incomparable.

    The only time you had political figures aid Republicans was at the very start of the conflict in 1969 when people like Blaney and Haughey et al would have tried to procure arms. The reason they did this was because of mass pogroms directed toward the nationalist population resulting in the biggest forced movement of people in Europe since WW2. Pogroms which were actively encouraged by state bodies such as the police which were running riot at the time.

    It’s telling that when British state policy of collusion is raised you get people desperately clutching at straws to try and make false equivalencies and throw in all manner of whataboutery. The reason being that collusion just smashes any notion of Republican baddies being the malign element in the conflict as opposed to the forces of ‘law and order’.


  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    When you consider the situation faced by nationalists at the time, where the state apparatus was actively conspiring to murder innocent family, friends and neighbours, it was wholely justifiable to opt for armed resistance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Edgware wrote: »
    God but you have it bad. Reading back issues of An Phoblacht again?


    Not me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭2011abc


    Smoothie thread at 38 pages ,this at five .Coincidence ?

    And now the presidents dog has died .I think Jesus could be literally weeping at this one if you’re a believer


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Just tried to view this on the RTE player app.
    Unwatchable. Ads mixed in with the program.

    Crashes.

    Goes back to frozen ads again.

    Car crash of an app.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    When you consider the situation faced by nationalists at the time, where the state apparatus was actively conspiring to murder innocent family, friends and neighbours, it was wholely justifiable to opt for armed resistance.

    I guess it was, but I still cannot condone their killing of citizens, many of which were deliberate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I guess it was, but I still cannot condone their killing of citizens, many of which were deliberate.

    Not at all. But the collusion of British State actors with loyalist paramilitary forces coupled with the apathy of the FFG parties in the south meant that people were driven into the hands of extremists. Chaos breeds chaos. This is seen in every conflict zone the world over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭mehico


    Tazz T wrote: »
    Growing up in Derry, everything in that documentary was common knowledge. Just no one outside of Northern Ireland wanted to believe it because it was so extreme. I missed the start, was the name of the British officer running the whole shebang mentioned?

    The ultimate objective was to start a civil war so the brits could go in and kill with impunity, wiping out the IRA and anything to do with it, annihilating the population as collateral.

    Always the conservative brit mentality 'we are better than you'. Still exists today, look at the latest Brexit debacle. There's no way they'll agree to the 50% & 1 clause in the Anglo Irish Agreement, if it ever comes up. They'll simply 'legislate' their way out of that too. They just signed it to get rid of the Irish problem by any means. Not a chance it'll be honoured if it interferes with the 'empire'.

    I'm not sure that people didn't want to believe what was going on in NI. There was so much talk of collusion going back decades and people knew that elements of the British state authorities could not be trusted. I hope the families of the victims of the Glenanne gang get justice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    A good consise summation:
    People Before Profit:

    Sean Murray's powerful and unsettling documentary 'Unquiet Graves: Uncovering Britain's Secret War in Ireland' screened this week on Rté.

    It details how members of the RUC, UDR and MI5 colluded with loyalist killers resulting in the murder of over 120 innocent civilians.

    These sectarian murderers assassinated workers, farmers, shopkeepers, publicans and other civilians in a campaign of terror.

    Now known as the Glenanne Gang, they rampaged through Counties Tyrone, Armagh and into the South in a sectarian campaign that lasted from July 1972 to the end of 1978.

    A high court judgement in 2017 found the Ex- RUC officer, then PSNI Assistant Chief Constable and now Garda Commissioner Drew Harris to be obstructing an inquiry into the sectarian gang. He was accused of an “extreme” abuse of power in closing down an independent inquiry into state collusion with the Glenanne gang. He was accused of making it clear that “the state is not genuinely committed” to uncovering collusion or addressing the concerns of victims families.

    Simply, Drew Harris attempted to cover up the actions of the RUC and the British states policy of collusion. Serving the RUC and keeping its dirty secrets means more to Drew Harris than truth and justice.

    Drew Harris is a reminder of the corruption of political policing in Ireland, cover up's and links with shadowy organisations.

    Drew Harris Must Go!

    The subject needs to be discussed at government level. Great to see a party raise it. Tumbleweed from Labour et. al. likely vying for a spot on the next shambles of a civil war government.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Bowie wrote: »
    A good consise summation:



    The subject needs to be discussed at government level. Great to see a party raise it. Tumbleweed from Labour et. al. likely vying for a spot on the next shambles of a civil war government.

    its barely been discussed anywhere - now if it had been damning the republican movement it'd be plastered everywhere. I think that in itself shows quite alot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    I think I read about this potential "school massacre" story in a book by Peter Taylor or by Joe Tiernan many many years ago.

    The idea was to provoke an "out and out" civil war with the Nationalist population and allow the British Army to fight the Nationalists in open warfare.

    Joe Tiernan's book about the Dublin & Monaghan bombings and The Murder Triangle is excellent. He was selling them door to door. I don't think the major printing houses wanted to touch it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭jelem


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Load of absolute rubbish. Were the Guards systematically aiding the IRA while being directed by intelligence agencies answerable to the Irish government? Did Irish intelligence agencies have hands on involvement in the bombing of Britain? Did Irish intelligence services provide suitcases of intelligence to the IRA on British targets and sponsor them over a twenty year period? Did they b*llocks. The situations are absolutely incomparable.

    The only time you had political figures aid Republicans was at the very start of the conflict in 1969 when people like Blaney and Haughey et al would have tried to procure arms. The reason they did this was because of mass pogroms directed toward the nationalist population resulting in the biggest forced movement of people in Europe since WW2. Pogroms which were actively encouraged by state bodies such as the police which were running riot at the time.

    It’s telling that when British state policy of collusion is raised you get people desperately clutching at straws to try and make false equivalencies and throw in all manner of whataboutery. The reason being that collusion just smashes any notion of Republican baddies being the malign element in the conflict as opposed to the forces of ‘law and order’.
    well the documents etc. "meant to be annon\private" which the usa "school" had,
    were handed over under "agreements" and unless you have read all- then both you and i
    do not know the full extent of any "sides" involvement.
    i heard at one time the usa would not allow uk to "invade" and basically ethnic clense,
    as usa was irelands friend\supporter. this giving irish Dail, "room to manouver".
    the friendship was seemingly not there when the docs. handed over, of course
    many years later and political situation different.


  • Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    I think I read about this potential "school massacre" story in a book by Peter Taylor or by Joe Tiernan many many years ago.

    The idea was to provoke an "out and out" civil war with the Nationalist population and allow the British Army to fight the Nationalists in open warfare.

    Joe Tiernan's book about the Dublin & Monaghan bombings and The Murder Triangle is excellent. He was selling them door to door. I don't think the major printing houses wanted to touch it.

    It has been in the public domain for many years, it's not worthy of attention "down here" because there's no votes in it. They'll happily throw Kingsmill into the political football game though, despite knowing why it happened.


  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    I've always wondered why the PIRA, the proper one from 1971 to the early 90's didn't whack more sectarian killers like Robin Jackson and Johnny Adair, even though it's documented in a book about the UDA unit he lead that the only killing Adair carried out was of a young Protestant with learning difficulties, he was more of a ringleader and organiser.

    Lenny Murphy was so feared and unstable that rumour has it that the Loyalists gave the Ra a free pass to get him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,301 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    smurgen wrote: »
    Not at all. But the collusion of British State actors with loyalist paramilitary forces coupled with the apathy of the FFG parties in the south meant that people were driven into the hands of extremists. Chaos breeds chaos. This is seen in every conflict zone the world over.
    Bowie wrote: »
    A good consise summation:



    The subject needs to be discussed at government level. Great to see a party raise it. Tumbleweed from Labour et. al. likely vying for a spot on the next shambles of a civil war government.

    Important messages from this documentary are being lost by people running other agendas.

    The events depicted in the documentary did not justify the IRA campaign as smurgen makes out. That is a false narrative and takes away from the content of the documentary.

    Similarly, linking the documentary to a snide attempt to get Drew Harris is silly at best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭grayzer75


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Important messages from this documentary are being lost by people running other agendas.

    The events depicted in the documentary did not justify the IRA campaign as smurgen makes out. That is a false narrative and takes away from the content of the documentary.

    Similarly, linking the documentary to a snide attempt to get Drew Harris is silly at best.

    Are you for real, Drew Harris should not have been allowed anywhere near a policing job here. Irish citizens were slaughtered by agents of the crown and he tried his best to stop the families of victims from getting to the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Important messages from this documentary are being lost by people running other agendas.

    The events depicted in the documentary did not justify the IRA campaign as smurgen makes out. That is a false narrative and takes away from the content of the documentary.

    Similarly, linking the documentary to a snide attempt to get Drew Harris is silly at best.

    stop before you make an even bigger fool of yourself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Important messages from this documentary are being lost by people running other agendas.

    The events depicted in the documentary did not justify the IRA campaign as smurgen makes out. That is a false narrative and takes away from the content of the documentary.

    Similarly, linking the documentary to a snide attempt to get Drew Harris is silly at best.

    Maybe it's as well you stayed in the shadows if that is all you can offer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Just for anyone interested, RTE1 at 7pm tonight, Scannal will be about Holy Cross primary school in North Belfast, which was the target if loyalist picketers.

    Will be worth tuning into.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Just for anyone interested, RTE1 at 7pm tonight, Scannal will be about Holy Cross primary school in North Belfast, which was the target if loyalist picketers.

    Will be worth tuning into.

    Harrowing stuff.

    https://twitter.com/PatrickMehone/status/1308494773590859777?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Charlie speaks.

    Actually I look forward to this, at least the issues now might get discussed where they should be front and centre, on our national broadcaster. Will Charlie regret shaking the tree?

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/flanagan-letter-unquiet-graves-1084102?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1601540640


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,301 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Charlie speaks.

    Actually I look forward to this, at least the issues now might get discussed where they should be front and centre, on our national broadcaster. Will Charlie regret shaking the tree?

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/flanagan-letter-unquiet-graves-1084102?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1601540640

    Where have I heard something like this before?

    Let me think.............the Boston tapes.

    Remind me again what you thought of their revelations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Where have I heard something like this before?

    Let me think.............the Boston tapes.

    Remind me again what you thought of their revelations?

    The Boston Tapes...allegations made by 'convicted criminals' that you and Charlie believed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,301 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The Boston Tapes...allegations made by 'convicted criminals' that you and Charlie believed?

    Unlike you Francie, I haven't set out a position on these boards on both. You have.

    You have trumpeted the Unquiet Graves documentary as if it is some irrefutable proof while at the same time you are on the record as damning the Boston tapes as the unsupported words of traitors. The hypocrisy is nauseating and disgusting.

    I, on the other hand, see something in both. I see more in the Boston tapes, for a number of reasons, but I haven't dismissed this documentary out of hand.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,921 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Unlike you Francie, I haven't set out a position on these boards on both. You have.

    You have trumpeted the Unquiet Graves documentary as if it is some irrefutable proof while at the same time you are on the record as damning the Boston tapes as the unsupported words of traitors. The hypocrisy is nauseating and disgusting.

    I, on the other hand, see something in both. I see more in the Boston tapes, for a number of reasons, but I haven't dismissed this documentary out of hand.

    No blanch...wrong again.

    I have said of Unquiet Graves that it calls for an inquiry and accountability. I have ALWAYS referred to this as 'alleged British collusion' for a reason. Same as I have always said I don't know if the 'allegations' in the Boston tapes are true or not.

    You on the other hand, on foot of the Boston Tapes and other 'allegations' believe Adams was a member of the IRA, was involved in Jean McConvilles death etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Charlie Flanagan has written to RTE, disputing the account given by David Weir in the programme

    https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1311582624629039104?s=19

    Quote
    On Newstalk Breakfast this morning, Deputy Flanagan said he believes the programme was largely based on the testimony of RUC member and loyalist paramilitary John Weir.

    “Essentially this is a programme, quite a shocking programme actually, outlining some of the most horrific acts of the Troubles in the 1970s that were perpetrated in what was known as the Murder Triangle,” he said.

    “But it seemed to me that the essence of the programme was based on the testimony, an affidavit, of a guy called John Weir who himself was a convicted murderer, a criminal, who had motives that to my mind were somewhat dubious


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Unlike you Francie, I haven't set out a position on these boards on both. You have.

    You have trumpeted the Unquiet Graves documentary as if it is some irrefutable proof while at the same time you are on the record as damning the Boston tapes as the unsupported words of traitors. The hypocrisy is nauseating and disgusting.

    I, on the other hand, see something in both. I see more in the Boston tapes, for a number of reasons, but I haven't dismissed this documentary out of hand.

    You may not realise it Blanch but when you chime in to change the topic it only serves to distract from any discussion on it. Just an FYI like.
    While you may not have taken a position you are giving it the whatabout which is hardly supporting the documentary's content either.
    If you see something in both maybe discuss the one the thread relates to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Charlie Flanagan has written to RTE, disputing the account given by David Weir in the programme

    https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1311582624629039104?s=19

    Quote
    On Newstalk Breakfast this morning, Deputy Flanagan said he believes the programme was largely based on the testimony of RUC member and loyalist paramilitary John Weir.

    “Essentially this is a programme, quite a shocking programme actually, outlining some of the most horrific acts of the Troubles in the 1970s that were perpetrated in what was known as the Murder Triangle,” he said.

    “But it seemed to me that the essence of the programme was based on the testimony, an affidavit, of a guy called John Weir who himself was a convicted murderer, a criminal, who had motives that to my mind were somewhat dubious

    Flanagan is like the embarrassing old racist/facist uncle shouts out at random moments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Bowie wrote: »
    Flanagan is like the embarrassing old racist/facist uncle shouts out at random moments.

    Is he Irish at all?

    Imaging wanting to commemorate the Tans and now this.


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