Unquiet graves RTE 1 tonight.....9.30pm

Very good documentry on RTE tonight on a series of 120 upto 150 unsolved murders,by one gang during the troubles,compelling viewing


Here is twitter page for its
https://mobile.twitter.com/glenannefilm?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor



And a general outline on what its about,

https://www.balls.ie/the-rewind/unquiet-graves-447580



I know people are busy etc,but this is a rare instance of an rte programme,worth watching and v.informative

McGinniesta

Between this and 24 hour covid news bombardment I think it's time for a few cans and some fart porn

Beechwoodspark

Chilling stuff

Allegations that British military intelligence were proposing through proxies to attack a catholic primary school and kill children and teachers so as to ignite a full on civil war.

Jesus

So,much concrete evidence about.....its irrefutable now

Kylta

Its a repeat,

skinny90

Suprised there is no thread on this, Did anyone watch it on RTÉ tonight?
This had me stuck to my seat.
For anyone who doesn’t fully understand the level of British governments and police involvement with these gang members it will be a walk up call


If you havnt I’d recommend
“
A NEW film which tells the story of the British state directed killings and its role in the murder of more than 120 civilians in counties Armagh and Tyrone will be broadcast on RTÉ One tonight.

Unquiet Graves: The story of the Glenanne Gang, details how institutions of the British state, including British military intelligence used proxy forces like the RUC and UDR in the murder of the innocent civilians and political opponents during the conflict in the six counties.

The main focus of the programme is the role of the British controlled and run loyalist gang and their operations in the so-called "murder triangle" area.

The documentary claims state direction to facilitat the actions of known sectarian murderers in the killings of farmers, shopkeepers, publicans and other civilians in a campaign that was aimed at terrorising the most vulnerable in society.

Premiered last year at the Belfast Film Festival, the film's screening tonight on RTÉ One will be the first time it is screened on a mainstream TV channel, following RTÉ's decision to pull it from a planned broadcast in July 2019.

At the time, Seán Murray said the postponement was due to "minor broadcast issues", which led to criticism of RTÉ on social media, including from viewers whop accused the broadcaster of "censorship".
“

saabsaab

It should come as no surprise. Look at the murder of Patrick Finucane one of the most high profile cases. There were also strong links in the Dublin Monaghan bombings.

Solli

The story does not end there. Drew Harris was appointed by FG as Garda Commissioner. He was also involved, see below.

“In 2010, then Assistant Chief Constable Drew Harris wrote a letter to the legal representatives of UVF victims telling them that they would not get an investigation into the wider questions raised by the activities of the Glenanne gang. The most significant wider question was the extent of state involvement in the gang and its murderous activities, including the deaths of at least 89 people.

In writing this letter, Drew Harris, who is now Deputy Chief Constable, was subverting a decade of assurance that the UK government had given to the Committee of Minister of the Council of Europe that investigations into state killings would be carried out independently and would examine patterns, links to reveal systematic violations by the state of the right to life enshrined in Article 2 of the European Convention of Human Rights.“

Source
https://www.relativesforjustice.com/drew-harris-must-resign-in-light-of-glenanne-judgment/

UDAWINNER

Watched it myself, truly chilling that none of the fcuckers will ever be charged, planning to kill a load of children and they have their apologists. Another reason that rat Harris should never have been appointed to the gardai. The same rat that tried to influence the vote with BS remarks about SF.

It's a pity the UK media won't be showing this. Time was the BBC had a tiny bit of independence, ITV made proper content and proper investigatory piece but now they're just soaps and reality TV and "hard-hitting" drama while Channel 4 show people watching TV and getting diseased parts of their bodies out for the cameras.

McMurphy

Surprised that there wasn't already a thread started on this documentary which was aired on RTE1 last night.

I was already aware of the collusion that had taken place between loyalist paramilitaries, State Security forces, and the British Govt, but to watch scenes reconstructed where innocent people were shot dead simply because they were Catholic, with RUC members (the equivalent of our Gardai) not only present, but actively partaking in the murders, dressed in uniform, and driving police cars and sometimes the murderers within them - away from the scene.


Have to admit, even though much of what took place happened before I was born (80s child) - it was still quite chilling to watch.

Considering they (the Catholics murdered) had the British Government, top civil servants, members of the security forces including the locally recruited and seriously compromised army regiment the UDR, and the states police force, colluding with, and in many instances actually operating alongside loyalist paramilitaries, they didn't really stand a chance.

Who else watched it, and what was your opinion?

dundalkfc10

McMurphy wrote: »

Surprised that there wasn't already a thread started on this documentary which was aired on RTE1 last night.

I was already aware of the collusion that had taken place between loyalist paramilitaries, State Security forces, and the British Govt, but to watch scenes reconstructed where innocent people were shot dead simply because they were Catholic, with RUC members (the equivalent of our Gardai) not only present, but actively partaking in the murders, dressed in uniform, and driving police cars and sometimes the murderers within them - away from the scene.


Have to admit, even though much of what took place happened before I was born (80s child) - it was still quite chilling to watch.

Considering they (the Catholics murdered) had the British Government, top civil servants, members of the security forces including the locally recruited and seriously compromised army regiment the UDR, and the states police force, colluding with, and in many instances actually operating alongside loyalist paramilitaries, they didn't really stand a chance.

Who else watched it, and what was your opinion?

Mr Drew Harris will be hiding away for a few days aswell (He needs to be gone)

bocaman

Why are people so astonished. Everyone knew there was collusion between the RUC and various loyalist death squads. It was classic counter insurgency tactics by the British government. As stated in the documentary they used they same tactics in Africa as tehir empire collapsed post WW2.

FrancieBrady

Across social media those quick to the tweet or boards.ie moral high grounding about non state players responsibilities are curiously quiet.

Worth reposting this.

https://villagemagazine.ie/a-recent-bbc-spotlight-programme-reinforced-the-inconvenient-truth-that-there-was-widespread-collusion-across-the-loyalist-spectrum-from-the-dup-to-the-uvf-to-mi5/

smurgen

Mr Justice Tracey accused Drew Harris of "extreme" abuse of power in closing down the investigation into collusion. Does this ring alarm bells for people?

https://twitter.com/CiaranShevlin/status/1306485844224684032?s=09

ILoveYourVibes

I watched parts of it ..right after finding out how much the brits are ****ing with the GFA .....

I cried ....the kids!

It was ....I mean there HAS to be a better way to live than this.


It feels like we have no control ...like we are rowing as hard as we can against the tide ....but its no good.

Like we are doing all we can WE are obeying all the rules ..trying to be diplomatic ..i mean you could say our politicians are even OVERLY politely to unionists.

But its no good ....

Granadino

Needs to be shown in England. Waste of time preaching to the converted.

ILoveYourVibes

Granadino wrote: »

Needs to be shown in England. Waste of time preaching to the converted.

Yes.

tdf7187

Credit to RTE for this. The Irish media, including RTE, usually only focus on republican 'atrocities' while pretending the other sides' never happened.

You see the results in the West Brit tendency right here boards.ie, who would make you believe the Provos were literally worse than the Nazis.

tdf7187

Granadino wrote: »

Needs to be shown in England. Waste of time preaching to the converted.

Disagree, many Irish people are in complete ignorance, due to the 'Irish' media being for the most part - particularly but not limited to the Independent group - aggressively anti-nationalist, partitionist, and pro-Loyalist.

In a previous job,our garda commissioner ordered all inquiries into this closed down...inspite of what seems over whelming evidence



150 innocent people,with no paramilitary connections killed for simply being catholic.......serious qs need answering

piplip87

I've said it all along the Brits where just as bad as the IRA. Same scum different uniforms.

maccored

bocaman wrote: »

Why are people so astonished. Everyone knew there was collusion between the RUC and various loyalist death squads. It was classic counter insurgency tactics by the British government. As stated in the documentary they used they same tactics in Africa as tehir empire collapsed post WW2.

nationalists in the north have been saying it for years and were being told a government wouldnt do such things.

James Brown

piplip87 wrote: »

I've said it all along the Brits where just as bad as the IRA. Same scum different uniforms.

'the Brits' were supposed to be the state sanctioned legal and law abiding element.

dan1895

Kylta wrote: »

Its a repeat,

It wasn't actually shown last year as it got pulled the day before it was meant to air.

smurgen

This is unbelievable to me really and the sore fact is the main reason the terrorist gang refuse request to do this was that they wouldn't because of fear of retaliation of the IRA. The lack of action of the Irish government is criminal.

https://twitter.com/StevenMcD13/status/1306354438106472453?s=19

piplip87

Bowie wrote: »

'the Brits' were supposed to be the state sanctioned legal and law abiding element.

In the eyes of the IRA at the time they where the official army of the state founded in 1919. So same scum different uniforms..

Sunny Disposition

It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

maccored

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

for some reason, some on this forum think its some form of competition of who was the worse. The simple point is, you cant blame a people for arming themselves and fighting back when its somewhere like the north. started with civil rights and ended up with bombing, shooting, maiming and killing. nobody wanted that, but its what happens when you try to control a part of the population because of their nationality.

tdf7187

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

It was very good, if you look back it’s amazing how little we in the South heard about the plight of Catholics at the time. Basically the whole thing was blamed on the IRA by most of the Southern media. Now the IRA did awful things and deserved to be condemned but the North was clearly toxic when the police were planting bombs hoping to kill civilians.

We did hear about at at the time. But there has been a whitewashing of the British state's crimes in Ireland by much of the 'Irish' media over the last few decades. Look into Eoghan Harris's repression of pro-nationalist sentiment on RTE during the 1980s, for example, the broadcasting ban and so on. Credit to RTE for getting its fingers out of its you-know-where on this occasion.

Normal One

It's quite telling that FFG have zero comment to make.