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What do you believe happens when we die
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nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »If you say so. I can only say that "Woodwose and other cryptoids" sound pretty hippy dippy to me.
Yeah just like the theists who wander in here tell us their god "definitely" exists. Adding the word "definitely" merely eaves your beliefs as unsubstantiated as they were before.
As for Nugent, I agree with him on many things, and disagree with him on many others. I linked to his 3 minute talk because he put my answer to your nonsense about topics in this forum better than I could myself. But of course as per usual you play the player and not the ball and rather than respond to WHAT he said in the video, you just comment on him instead.
Your MO is showing.
The point of the video was a response to your claim that certain topics do not belong in this forum. Your pretence to be some kind of moderator of the forum aside, the video answers EXACTLY why those topics DO belong here. But you ignored all that and responded to none of it. As. Per. Usual.
A ball could go any direction, depending on the surface, wind direction and air pressure within the ball.
It doesn't have a metal ball in the middle which dictates it's direction upon rolling along the surface.
I know what he said in the video but I don't have to comment on what he said.
I don't have to answer your questions the way you think I should, you sound like you have control issues and unable to accept I've a mind of my own.
The existence of Woodwose and cryptology belongs to a different forum, not Atheism and Agnoticism.
They're not god's or spirit's, I have an interest in them, so what ?
I listened to that link again and it's just Michael on a podium explaining why there's Athiest convention's and he's trying to explain the madness of organised religion thinking that the creator told some guy not to collect stick's on a Sunday.
I agree with that, I've my own gripe with the Abrahamic religion, I've gladly broken away from the fold.
No problems there.
So it's a convention of Atheists who want to bring changes and they can meet up and discuss whatever they like.
That's ok isn't it, they're not harming anyone.
Not all Atheists want to be activists or go to convention's, some just do their own thing and get on with it.
They couldn't be arsed joining groups, but I can see the benefits of meeting people and sharing one's experience strength and hope.
By the way you're suggesting my Modus operandi is showing, what's my MO so ?
All I'm reading from your post's is that you haven't once asked me what type of pagan I am
I'm an old world pagan, I don't think there's any one God or god's that dictate my lifestyle, thought's and moral compass.
I'm interested in old crafts like, weaving, leather craft, hedge laying, willow sculpture, and bush craft.
The Abrahamic's called anyone who doesn't believe in their God a Pagan.
I have an interest in Chaos magic and how people can be manipulated by mass hysteria or how people think.
I'm not interested in witchcraft or wiccans etc or shamens.
I just go about my business, and I have a hope there is an afterlife, whether there is or there isn't that's my problem..
if there is I'll embrace it,if not my legacy will live in the heart's of my loved ones,and hopefully I'll leave something behind that will help my seed on this earth to prosper and live on and do good things.
If I die and that's it, I won't know about it.
So I'm completely powerless over that outcome.
I've an open mind about an afterlife, and accept it's possible.
You're still questioning it and looking for solid proof, so keep on searching for something you're sure doesn't exist.
Your call, maybe you might find it in those Bavarian Woods 0 -
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I'm not interested in even responding to this to be honest.
So we'll leave it there okIt's like this now there's a lot of people who like to suggest that all we are at the end is a rotting corpse.
I've experienced atheists say this to thiests and they seem to think we're basically an organic computer that shuts down and rots.
And they play on it for a reaction.
As an artist/poet/gardener in my opinion that's a very narrow view and in itself it's my view, I'm not calling anyone out.
If I say I don't like the way so and so farm's her or his land or looks after her or his animals animals,it doesn't mean all farmers are the same.
I didn't read the post's before mine, I don't seek validation from people's posts or get rilled up because of an opinion and personalise it.
There's a lot of people getting upset or triggered in conversations on board's and that's a waste of energy, you suggested that I play the victim.
Far from it, I post metaphorically a lot I don't personalise my post's.
I'm not out to upset anyone either.
As you'll see that my post's in other forums I call a spade a spade.
My opinion shouldn't matter to you,as you're well aware that you're a good person yourself.
I've no problem with anyone who posts here, if someone wants to say whatever it's their opinion.
But if someone's Idea of all we are in the end is a rotten corpse, which stinks decays and that's it.
I've every right to suggest that's not a nice way to look at it and from my perspective it's a very narrow and shallow way to look at a lifespan.
And you're right, we do decay and maybe that's it, but the stardust sounds more adventurous and mystical than what I suggest isn't nice.
So it's better people don't get triggered by my post's, it's not worth validating your opinion on mine.
So if my post upset your good self, it wasn't my intention.
Using language like I can skulk off or I'm playing the victim is just a red rag to a sink full of bubbles and soap, so that's just trying to get an emotive response.
So we'll leave it there thenIt shows that Atheists are as fearful of the unknown just as much as thiests are.
Maybe there are things your brain associated with being scared is an understatement.
There are things your brain associates with being scared,and I don't need to research it or plagerise some scientist from an internet site to prove it.
Oh I'd say in the back of 20% of self proclaimed atheists mind's they still wonder if there's demon's, souls or dietys etc
Whatever about Angels , I prefer demon's they suit me better to be honest.Oh will we just leave it there and get on with the intention of the thread we're like two ninny's throwing the ball back and forth lol
Let's just say we'll agree to disagree lol
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Nthclare. Your posting in this thread absolutely falls into the low level trolling you have previously been warned about.
Here Robinch issued a warning stating you are heading for a week long ban due to your posting style https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114121977&postcount=666 , and although you have had the sense to keep your more aggressive tendencies in check you are far from posting in good faith here.
You have continually made pronouncements and when called out you attempt to shut down that particular discussion.
You are very free with telling Atheists in here what they do and do not think, and had the bare faced cheek to complain that people were discussing topics that have nothing to do with Atheism while writing reams of off-topic information about yourself and your beliefs as a pagan.
I was not going to ban you for a week as per Robinch's warning but only because you have not been aggressive - but then I realised I had already warned you here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114204933&postcount=690 that your low level trolling was to stop or Robinch's ban would be implemented.
Banned for one week.
You are becoming a time sink in this forum. Up your game or go elsewhere before you find yourself permanently banned.
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John Hutton wrote: »I've always found it interesting that some* atheists give out about the controlling nature of religion and the freedom they believe it denies, despite the fact that they are materialists. The end result of materialism is a denial of the existence of free will !
*Seems incorrect to lump all those who are not a member of a club under the one hive mind umbrella
Oh how I laughedmaterialist
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plural noun: materialists
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a person who considers material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
Ask the majority of self-described Catholics in Ireland if they'd rather give up their mobile phone or give up mass and the vast majority will say mass. Why?
Because they likely don't go already
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God does not need a Mobile Phone to get throughOh how I laughed
Ask the majority of self-described Catholics in Ireland if they'd rather give up their mobile phone or give up mass and the vast majority will say mass. Why?
Because they likely don't go already
So they would be correct to keep the Mobile Phone.;) 0 -
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Reminds me of George Carlin's description....Peregrinus wrote: »Jesus doesn't say a lot about hell (or heaven, for that matter) but he does say something. He mentions torment, flames and thirst (Lk 16), unquenchable fire and worms that do not die (Mk 9), a fiery furnace with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt 13) and he indicates that the condition of being in Hell is a permanent one (Lk 16 again)....
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Hotblack Desiato wrote: »I don't think that's true at all, there is a massive variation of belief and practice among people who label themselves "catholic".
The Catholic church though have a published catechism and a large body of Canon law. Most Catholics believe broadly the same things - for the purposes of discussion it is not unreasonable, in a forum like this, to presume a Catholic believes what the Church teaches, or certainly a lot of it.Well, anyone who doesn't believe in a theistic god is an atheist. They can and do have all sorts of varying opinions about everything else.
So labels aren't all that useful for either.
The only thing I can reasonably assume about an atheist is what you have said here, that's quite a difference. I could make an assumption that they are also materialists, but I'd be on much shakier ground.
This is mere anecdote. I have heard them say the opposite, many times. [See, this gets us nowhere).
I have heard Irish clergy and bishops use that definition of materialism many a time, and contrast it with the supposed enlightenment and selflessness of the RC faith. It's insulting to be honest.
And in any case, it does not mean that the Catholic Church endorses or teaches that people who aren't Catholics are evil etc. Because it doesn't.
Hypothetically (and this not beyond possibility!) if through scientific advances we were able to discern patterns and these things were not random, would you then not believe in free will?
Nope. People think that a dependence only on laws of physics implies a mechanistic, deterministic universe, but that is not the case - quantum mechanics is random. Radioactive decay is random. A certain amount of our brain activity appears to be random, too.
I generally find most materialists, when questioned on these things, tend to discover that it is not actually materialism, but rather dualism, they subscribe to. [But don't worry this is still a kind of heresy in the eyes of the Church ] 0 -
John Hutton wrote: »The Catholic church though have a published catechism and a large body of Canon law. Most Catholics believe broadly the same things - for the purposes of discussion it is not unreasonable, in a forum like this, to presume a Catholic believes what the Church teaches, or certainly a lot of it.
Yeah we know what they're supposed to believe in... although when questioned on it, many self-described RCs consider many of these things ridiculous or were not even aware of them, e.g. transubstantiation or the assumption. In relation to social issues a lot of self-described catholics reject RC church teaching on contraception, cohabitation, gay marriage, abortion. Many are not too hot on the church attendance aspect of it either.
The RC bishops commissioned a survey a few years back, 10% of self-described catholics said they did not believe in god - which you would think would be an essential requirement!
We can be reasonably sure that someone who ticks the catholic box on the census was baptised as an RC, and probably has some cultural attachment to it, but it doesn't tell us much at all about what they think and believe as an adult unless we make a lot of assumptions - which a quick look at contemporary Irish society will demonstrate are unfounded. In reality this is not a 78% catholic society, despite what the census says.And in any case, it does not mean that the Catholic Church endorses or teaches that people who aren't Catholics are evil etc. Because it doesn't.
It doesn't teach that, but when you've heard a priest or bishop conflate belief in a material reality with material greed as often as I have, you start to wonder whether they really should.Hypothetically (and this not beyond possibility!) if through scientific advances we were able to discern patterns and these things were not random, would you then not believe in free will?
Obviously if we could prove that all processes in the brain are entirely deterministic then yes. But this would be extremely difficult and it ignores what I mentioned earlier about chaotic systems. A deterministic system can still be chaotic, so outcomes can still be unpredictable.I generally find most materialists, when questioned on these things, tend to discover that it is not actually materialism, but rather dualism, they subscribe to. [But don't worry this is still a kind of heresy in the eyes of the Church ]
I don't believe a mind exists independently of a physical brain, so not a dualist I suppose.Scrap the cap!
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I generally find most materialists, when questioned on these things, tend to discover that it is not actually materialism, but rather dualism, they subscribe to. [But don't worry this is still a kind of heresy in the eyes of the Church ]
If dualism is the idea that the body is separate from consciousness/soul, then do you mean materialist tend to be monists? Meaning they don't believe in a soul/consciousness that exists separate from the brain?0 -
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