looksee wrote: » If these are supposed to be Christian ideas they are not ones that I have ever heard, or that Jesus taught. They are remarkably detailed in their fantasy. This bit has almost porngraphic undertones. As I recall, Jesus's strongest threat was that people who did not believe in him would not experience an afterlife with god. He didn't discuss the specifics of the bdsm details. What is your source?
LessOutragePlz wrote: » That's how consciousness is understood from a scientific point of view, I was talking about consciousness from a spiritual point of view as I believe that there is a difference between the two.
LessOutragePlz wrote: » You can of course be unconscious but, I believe that you would also still have a spiritual consciousness. I believe our "spiritual" consciousness continues to exist after we die as it was in existent before we were born and it will continue to exist after we die. I'm not claiming that my POV is right I was merely presenting it from my perspective and by saying that I believe to be more plausible than we just die and it's over doesn't mean that I think I'm right it just means that I'm more convinced that, that possible scenario is more likely to be true.
nthclare wrote: » I think we have hit a brick wall here, in my last post I said there's an advantage for Atheists who go to convention's and it's good to meet up and discuss whatever. We moved on from that and as for me playing a moderator well, you're only plagerising the same old mantra over and over. Let it go, for the sake of a paragraph. My last post pretty much wrapped my response to your post and you still have to bring in other poster's to our discussion. I don't know if you're insecure or just need validation or you're grasping at straws and haven't enough to make a straw man... But it's quite clear I put my cards on the table and you have a blind spot.
LessOutragePlz wrote: » There are fundamental differences in how we perceive the world. As I've said there are somethings that science can't explain and there isn't an answer for everything or evidence for everything and I'm fine with having faith in something I believe without evidence to verify it. Obviously that's impossible for you to comprehend because you are clearly a rational thinker with a scientific mind. While I'm a more spiritual believer and probably an irrational thinker from your POV. As for deciding what things to believe and not believe in it's more to do with having faith in things rather than believing and I probably should have clarified that earlier. As you have rightly pointed out to be able to believe in something you need to think that there might be evidence to prove your assumptions to be correct.
nthclare wrote: » I'm not interested in even responding to this to be honest. So we'll leave it there ok
nthclare wrote: » It's like this now there's a lot of people who like to suggest that all we are at the end is a rotting corpse. I've experienced atheists say this to thiests and they seem to think we're basically an organic computer that shuts down and rots. And they play on it for a reaction. As an artist/poet/gardener in my opinion that's a very narrow view and in itself it's my view, I'm not calling anyone out. If I say I don't like the way so and so farm's her or his land or looks after her or his animals animals,it doesn't mean all farmers are the same. I didn't read the post's before mine, I don't seek validation from people's posts or get rilled up because of an opinion and personalise it. There's a lot of people getting upset or triggered in conversations on board's and that's a waste of energy, you suggested that I play the victim. Far from it, I post metaphorically a lot I don't personalise my post's. I'm not out to upset anyone either. As you'll see that my post's in other forums I call a spade a spade. My opinion shouldn't matter to you,as you're well aware that you're a good person yourself. I've no problem with anyone who posts here, if someone wants to say whatever it's their opinion. But if someone's Idea of all we are in the end is a rotten corpse, which stinks decays and that's it. I've every right to suggest that's not a nice way to look at it and from my perspective it's a very narrow and shallow way to look at a lifespan. And you're right, we do decay and maybe that's it, but the stardust sounds more adventurous and mystical than what I suggest isn't nice. So it's better people don't get triggered by my post's, it's not worth validating your opinion on mine. So if my post upset your good self, it wasn't my intention. Using language like I can skulk off or I'm playing the victim is just a red rag to a sink full of bubbles and soap, so that's just trying to get an emotive response. So we'll leave it there then
nthclare wrote: » It shows that Atheists are as fearful of the unknown just as much as thiests are. Maybe there are things your brain associated with being scared is an understatement. There are things your brain associates with being scared,and I don't need to research it or plagerise some scientist from an internet site to prove it. Oh I'd say in the back of 20% of self proclaimed atheists mind's they still wonder if there's demon's, souls or dietys etc Whatever about Angels , I prefer demon's they suit me better to be honest.
nthclare wrote: » Oh will we just leave it there and get on with the intention of the thread we're like two ninny's throwing the ball back and forth lol Let's just say we'll agree to disagree lol
saabsaab wrote: » Well if there is a heaven then there is a hell. Just for balance , like.
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Peregrinus wrote: » Jesus doesn't say a lot about hell (or heaven, for that matter) but he does say something. He mentions torment, flames and thirst (Lk 16), unquenchable fire and worms that do not die (Mk 9), a fiery furnace with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt 13) and he indicates that the condition of being in Hell is a permanent one (Lk 16 again). And in Mt 10 he compares it to Genenna, which was the location of the principal rubbish dump outside Jerusalem. So, fairly grim, then. The Christian tradition has produced a great deal of vivid imagery based on these few lines, but has also tended to affirm that the lines (and the imagery) can be understood in a metaphorical or figurative sense.
nozzferrahhtoo wrote: » Maybe they are both the same thing. I always loved the Tom Waits song lyric that goes something like "don't you know there ain't no devil theres just god when he's drunk". Quite often the good character and the bad character in a story turn out to be the same person. I have heard some earnest well meaning descriptions of heaven that made it sound pretty damn hellish to me.
nthclare wrote: » I'm not selling anything here, maybe you engage with Atheists like the poster's here who still like to debate about something that doesn't exist and bring in education, abortion the hazzards of belief and all sorts of things into this forum, and politics dressing it up as a hobbyhorse "seriously". Those subjects belong in other forums. And has nothing to do with Atheism, nothing.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Isn't it extraordinary that we ever dreamt up the idea of an afterlife? All the evidence says we are born and are alive, then we die and we're not alive anymore. But somehow we imagined a whole story about what happens after that when we have absolutely no evidence for it. The idea of an afterlife is just a trick our brains play on us.
AllForIt wrote: » If God is so loving you'd think instead of sending ppl to hell for all eternity he'd just extinguish the failed souls he created in the first place. Or is there some technical reason that's not possible?
Spanish Eyes wrote: » A dear friend died recently and had a Spiritualist ceremony in the Funeral Home. Numbers limited obviously because of Covid. Was absolutely amazing. Reflected friend's values, love for others and legacy left. Great music too. No God mentioned, no afterlife either, just who and what they were and what they contributed to life. The celebrant was wonderful too. All in all it really made me think. What the F is all this church thing about. No one really believes there is anything more anyway, just celebrate the life that has gone and grieve like everyone else. No one ever came back to tell me how wonderful it is in the afterlife anyway!
John Itchy Bleach wrote: » many do actually believe, i know many of them
one world order wrote: » When a soul is created, it cannot be destroyed. You are either with God or with the Devil. When Lucifer was a high ranking angel in heaven he wanted to be God and have everyone worship him. There was a war where one third of the angels following Lucifer were defeated and casted down to earth. You now have a similar choice, do you follow the world and thereby the devil or do you reject the world and put your trust in Jesus Christ as your saviour from this sinful and corrupt world.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » My friend didn't. And That is why I respected it all. Honestly there are some who will despair at their dog's or cat's demise, no funerals or afterlife there. And euthanasia is totally accepted. What is the difference since God brought them all into life AFAIK. Or am told so.
John Itchy Bleach wrote: » but above you said no one , not your friend. it is simpy not true that no one believes. many do, in fact millions do. i know and am related to many of them
John Hutton wrote: » I've always found it interesting that some* atheists give out about the controlling nature of religion and the freedom they believe it denies, despite the fact that they are materialists. The end result of materialism is a denial of the existence of free will ! *Seems incorrect to lump all those who are not a member of a club under the one hive mind umbrella
materialist /məˈtɪərɪəlɪst/ Learn to pronounce noun plural noun: materialists 1. a person who considers material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
Cabaal wrote: » Oh how I laughed Ask the majority of self-described Catholics in Ireland if they'd rather give up their mobile phone or give up mass and the vast majority will say mass. Why? Because they likely don't go already
John Itchy Bleach wrote: » you have the frontal lobes to thank for that. I think when people became aware enough to be frightened they invented the after life to calm the fear. A scientist on radio once said the brain fears dying and releaes chemicals that create the bright tunnel effect
Peregrinus wrote: » Jesus doesn't say a lot about hell (or heaven, for that matter) but he does say something. He mentions torment, flames and thirst (Lk 16), unquenchable fire and worms that do not die (Mk 9), a fiery furnace with weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt 13) and he indicates that the condition of being in Hell is a permanent one (Lk 16 again)....
Cabaal wrote: » Oh how I laughed 1. a person who considers material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
1. a person who considers material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
