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J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]

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    #2042
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    Gruffalox wrote: »
    In real life a whole new LGB organisation was formed in the UK, a splinter group from Stonewall. It was founded late 2019 by among others Simon Fanshawe who had been a founding member of Stonewall. It has thousands of members and supporters. They argue for the implicit biological reality of sex based attraction at the foundation of homosexuality.

    That is real life.


    But you have not answered - do you think it is phobic if gay people ab initio exclude people with opposite sex genitalia from their dating pool? It is not about consent as that would apply in every scenario.

    I don’t think it’s transphobic, but I know a gay couple where one is a trans man.

    I know you’ll think me weird

    But bear with me guys

    I haven’t asked if the trans man has a vagina

    And oh my god I’m so backward

    I haven’t even asked who’s the top and who’s the bottom

    But oh my god you guys

    The one with the deep voice is obviously the one horsing it in to the other one.

    You’d think in a small mans world.


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    #2043
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I should have clarified, forgive me, I do not know of any issues in the real world, that I haven’t just read online regarding trans women and consent.

    What?

    You said you don't know anyone in the "real world" who doesn't respect consent.

    There are plenty. I know a few.

    What is your clarification? Bizarre how your clarification needs further clarification.


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    #2044
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I don’t think it’s transphobic, but I know a gay couple where one is a trans man.

    I know you’ll think me weird

    But bear with me guys

    I haven’t asked if the trans man has a vagina

    And oh my god I’m so backward

    I haven’t even asked who’s the top and who’s the bottom

    But oh my god you guys

    The one with the deep voice is obviously the one horsing it in to the other one.

    You’d think in a small mans world.

    A gay couple.... Where one is a trans man..... And you are unsure as to how sex works with them.....you haven't asked if a man has a vagina?

    I have a nine year old daughter. She understands how sex works. She could teach you a thing or two.


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    #2045
    CtevenSrowder
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    So typical put majority first oppress the minority, thanks for clarifying your position.

    It doesn't put the majority first as all women are:
    [adult people] bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman.

    If you are not the above, you are a male (or intersex ;) )

    Again, if one has a bearded face they can still be a women as per the definition given above.

    Do you want another go?
    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    So have many branches of these trees do we have to hit to conform to your definition of a man or woman.

    And are you 100% confident men and women even minorities don’t share some branches in common?

    What is all this talk of trees and branches about exactly. I am merely explaining biological reality to you. Are you wondering how it is that humans developed into males, females and intersex people? There is quite a lot to that, and it is beyond the scope of this forum. To understand this better, I advise you embark on a degree in the biological sciences.


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    #2046
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What?

    You said you don't know anyone in the "real world" who doesn't respect consent.

    There are plenty. I know a few.

    What is your clarification? Bizarre how your clarification needs further clarification.

    Sorry I don’t hang around with rapistS or people who commit sexual assault, I seem so square compared to you guys.


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    #2047
    CtevenSrowder
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Sorry I don’t hang around with rapistS or people who commit sexual assault, I seem so square compared to you guys.

    How do you know you don't? I thought you didn't 'probe' into other peoples lives?


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    #2048
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    A gay couple.... Where one is a trans man..... And you are unsure as to how sex works with them.....you haven't asked if a man has a vagina?

    I have a nine year old daughter. She understands how sex works. She could teach you a thing or two.

    Why would I ask?

    It’s sad if your child grows up as an adult with your limited view of human sexuality.


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    #2049
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I don’t think it’s transphobic, but I know a gay couple where one is a trans man.

    I know you’ll think me weird

    But bear with me guys

    I haven’t asked if the trans man has a vagina

    And oh my god I’m so backward

    I haven’t even asked who’s the top and who’s the bottom

    But oh my god you guys

    The one with the deep voice is obviously the one horsing it in to the other one.

    You’d think in a small mans world.

    Good. You do not think it is transphobic to have sex based attraction. We are getting somewhere. I agree with you.

    About your anecdote - no one cares what people get up to in their bedrooms no matter how square you like to paint us.

    It is the compulsion element that is the problem. The compelled speech or the compelled biological denialism etc.

    Now that you have said you do not believe it is transphobic I have some bad news for you. You have fallen short of being acceptable as an ally. You are a biological essentialist who is permitting genital discrimination and prejudice. Genital preference is reductive and exclusionary. You are a transphobe. Welcome to the club.
    We share more than simply both eating our own home grown spuds today :)


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    #2050
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    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    It doesn't put the majority first as all women are:



    If you are not the above, you are a male (or intersex ;) )

    Again, if one has a bearded face they can still be a women as per the definition given above.

    Do you want another go?



    What is all this talk of trees and branches about exactly. I am merely explaining biological reality to you. Are you wondering how it is that humans developed into males, females and intersex people? There is quite a lot to that, and it is beyond the scope of this forum. To understand this better, I advise you embark on a degree in the biological sciences.

    So wait now you want to include intersex people.


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    #2051
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Sorry I don’t hang around with rapistS or people who commit sexual assault, I seem so square compared to you guys.

    Wow.

    A number of people I care about have been sexually assaulted.

    Your framing of that is despicable.


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    #2052
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    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Good. You do not think it is transphobic to have sex based attraction. We are getting somewhere. I agree with you.

    About your anecdote - no one cares what people get up to in their bedrooms no matter how square you like to paint us.

    It is the compulsion element that is the problem. The compelled speech or the compelled biological denialism etc.

    Now that you have said you do not believe it is transphobic I have some bad news for you. You have fallen short of being acceptable as an ally. You are a biological essentialist who is permitting genital discrimination and prejudice. Genital preference is reductive and exclusionary. You are a transphobe. Welcome to the club.
    We share more than simply both eating our own home grown spuds today :)

    You need to get off Twitter and get chatted up in a pub by a trans person. It is way less complicated than the Twitterati would let you believe.


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    #2053
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Sorry I don’t hang around with rapistS or people who commit sexual assault, I seem so square compared to you guys.

    That's a lovely comment.


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    #2054
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Wow.

    A number of people I care about have been sexually assaulted.

    Your framing of that is despicable.

    I know victims of sexual assaults I don’t know any convicted perpetrators :confused:


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    #2055
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Why would I ask?

    It’s sad if your child grows up as an adult with your limited view of human sexuality.

    My child will grow up safe in the knowledge that her femininity is because of her biological make-up of being a woman.

    SHE will never be a man but if she as an adult chooses to present as one when she is an adult, I will respect that. She will always be my daughter though, no matter what she chooses to present herself as.


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    #2056
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    So wait now you want to include intersex people.

    Huh? I never excluded them. We already went over this remember. I am pointing out to you want a female is, and by extension a women. I see that you seem to be over needing clarification of the definition provided. Success!

    Do you need me to go through with you what an intersex person is? I am happy to help you understand the term if you would like. :)


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    #2057
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I know victims of sexual assaults I don’t know any convicted perpetrators :confused:

    What a shock that you only surround yourself with victims!


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    #2058
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    You need to get off Twitter and get chatted up in a pub by a trans person. It is way less complicated than the Twitterati would let you believe.

    :) No pubs.


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    #2059
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    My child will grow up safe in the knowledge that her femininity is because of her biological make-up of being a woman.

    SHE will never be a man but if she as an adult chooses to present as one when she is an adult, I will respect that. She will always be my daughter though, no matter what she chooses to present herself as.

    Her femininity will be based on her upbringing, her location, culture that’s it.

    It’s really sad you wouldn’t respect their identity.


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    #2060
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What a shock that you only surround yourself with victims!

    I know I’m so weird for not knowing any convicted perpetrators of sexual assault.

    Even weirder for supporting victims.

    Sounds like I’ve made some alternative’ friends here though.


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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Her femininity will be based on her upbringing, her location, culture that’s it.

    It’s really sad you wouldn’t respect their identity.

    I'm just glad that most people don't think like you do.

    A little girl is a little girl. Not a little thing that can choose their sex.

    Ffs.


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    #2062
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I know I’m so weird for not knowing any convicted perpetrators of sexual assault.

    Even weirder for supporting victims.

    Sounds like I’ve made some alternative’ friends here though.

    Well as Gruffalox said:
    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Good. You do not think it is transphobic to have sex based attraction. We are getting somewhere. I agree with you.

    About your anecdote - no one cares what people get up to in their bedrooms no matter how square you like to paint us.

    It is the compulsion element that is the problem. The compelled speech or the compelled biological denialism etc.

    Now that you have said you do not believe it is transphobic I have some bad news for you. You have fallen short of being acceptable as an ally. You are a biological essentialist who is permitting genital discrimination and prejudice. Genital preference is reductive and exclusionary. You are a transphobe. Welcome to the club.
    We share more than simply both eating our own home grown spuds today :)

    Hi new transphobic friend :)


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    #2063
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I know I’m so weird for not knowing any convicted perpetrators of sexual assault.

    Even weirder for supporting victims.

    Sounds like I’ve made some alternative’ friends here though.

    You only support people that hold the same values as you.

    If you know victims, it would be very unusual to not know any perpetrators. Perhaps it's true, but I have absolutely no reason to believe anything that you say considering you deny biology.


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    #2064
    carolmon
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I know victims of sexual assaults I don’t know any convicted perpetrators :confused:


    You said "I don’t know anyone in the real world who doesn’t respect consent"
    But you know the victims of people who don't respect consent do they not matter?


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    #2065
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm just glad that most people don't think like you do.

    A little girl is a little girl. Not a little thing that can choose their sex.

    Ffs.

    I’m just perplexed you think femininity is the same from Dublin to Moscow to Myanmar to Kenya to Dubai.

    Heck femininity is different in Dublin than it is in Galway.


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    #2066
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I’m just perplexed you think femininity is the same from Dublin to Moscow to Myanmar to Kenya to Dubai.

    Heck femininity is different in Dublin than it is in Galway.

    Being a woman is universal.

    Being a man is universal.

    Being feminine is a choice.


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    #2067
    FVP3
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    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I don’t think it’s transphobic, but I know a gay couple where one is a trans man.

    I know you’ll think me weird

    But bear with me guys

    I haven’t asked if the trans man has a vagina

    And oh my god I’m so backward

    I haven’t even asked who’s the top and who’s the bottom

    But oh my god you guys

    The one with the deep voice is obviously the one horsing it in to the other one.

    You’d think in a small mans world.

    Thats impressive self congratulatory virtue signalling.

    That said you clearly have no idea about the main issues here, although they have been discussed at length on this thread. Nobody cares about this sexual alliance, the general concern is with self declaration and the access of biological men into female spaces. Do keep up.


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    #2068
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    Thats impressive self congratulatory virtue signalling.

    That said you clearly have no idea about the main issues here, although they have been discussed at length on this thread. Nobody cares about this sexual alliance, the general concern is with self declaration and the access of biological men into female spaces. Do keep up.

    We don’t have segregated toilets in our house.


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    #2069
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    ...are you 100% confident men and women even minorities don’t share some branches in common?
    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    So wait now you want to include intersex people.

    intersex people would be on such a branch. but they have little to nothing to do with the trans debate


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    #2070
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    We don’t have segregated toilets in our house.

    Yeh, most people don't because toilets are mostly single use in houses, not multiple occupancy.


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    #2071
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    Yeh, most people don't because toilets are mostly single use in houses, not multiple occupancy.

    So you want disabled toilets to have a trans one, a female one and a male one?


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