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glenfieldman wrote: »

Take a chill pill, it was sarcasm

Yes everything is fair game on a quiet LS day.

Cunning Stunt wrote: »

Fellow passengers from the flight getting their 5 mins of fame now with the media...
How long before the first compo claim for shock/ distress caused, I wonder....

https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-passenger-shocked-give-plane-seat-isis-bride-lisa-smith-flight-dublin-174565

Complete and utter Bulls**t...One woman holding a Baby, surrounded by 1 Turkish Security official, 2 x Ranger's and 3 x Government officials.. and she is seen as a threat??? But since when has the actual truth of a situation prevented a Compo Claim I suppose. ???

pablo128 wrote: »

I'll bet the child doesn't have a single word of English.

Well it's mother is from Dundalk.
Sorry couldn't resist.

tuxy wrote: »

Have her views become more radical recently? There were reports of her wearing a burka on the flight where she had previously only been seen wearing a niqab. I thought the burka was more of an Afghani thing.

Burka would also be Saudi, Pakistan, or parts of UK.

jmreire wrote: »

I'd be inclined to let the Law take it's course first, and then decide how I'd react.

But has she broken any law because ISIS are not a proscribed organisation in Ireland.

fritzelly wrote: »

And interviewing this woman will not get advertisers queuing at the door to sponsor the show more likely the very opposite

Ahh I don't know there has to be something that could be linked to an ISIS member talking about death and destruction.

tuxy wrote: »

Have her views become more radical recently? There were reports of her wearing a burka on the flight where she had previously only been seen wearing a niqab. I thought the burka was more of an Afghani thing.

Most natives here see the term Burqa as referring to ALL Muslim female headress and facial concealment.
They neither know nor care about the niceties of Ms Smith's garb.

To get a better idea of what these women choose to adorn themselves with,the news clips from the Camps tell the tale far more elequently than any posts here.

https://www.channel4.com/news/speaking-to-the-syrian-and-iraqi-women-still-loyal-to-islamic-state-who-married-fighters

Sky News's report from the Al Hol camp is perhaps the clearest indicator of what will face the Gardai and any other Irish Intelligence officials who have the misfortune of "Interviewing" this woman.

https://news.sky.com/story/islamic-state-new-mini-caliphate-forms-at-syrian-al-hol-camp-11858828

The boy can't have been more than 10 years old. Shaved head, piercing brown eyes and goofy teeth.

Our moment with him was fleeting but chilling and deeply sad.

In Arabic, he first quoted a verse from the Koran: "God says, 'Turn to Allah with sincere repentance in the hope that your Lord will remove you from your ills'."

He was asking us to repent our sins.

And then, calmly, he said: "We're going to kill you by slaughtering you. We will slaughter you."

As he finished, he looked straight into the lens of our camera.

I have watched the footage back now over and over. Does he know what he is saying? Does he believe it? Has he seen others being slaughtered? How do you heal a young mind so damaged?

These women have poisoned the minds of their own children,and continue to consider themselves as standard bearers for the prophet.

We cultivated Western infidels,may struggle to comprehend this deep hatred of Western ways and peoples,with our helpless shoulder shrugging over American foreign policy,or Western support for despotic rulers and all of that...what we completely fail of appreciate is,how this hatred is from the Book,and predates America,Europe or,as they see it,anything Western.

We,who have largely abandoned allegiance to organised Religious beliefs,simply cannot comprehed the depth of these beliefs.
We would need to speak to Christians of the 13th,14th,or 15th Centuries before coming across any meaningful insight into this crazed belief structure.

We would be naieve in the extreme to believe that a good talkin-to by the Gardai or a Judge would have any effect on a fully fledged member of this crowd.

"Do you still believe in the ideology of Daesh?" I ask another woman.

"Yes of course. Why [should] we change? They treat us just like animals. Just like dogs," she says, referring to her surroundings in the camp.

"You treated others like animals. You cut people's heads off, you burnt people alive. Is this not true?" I reply.

"It's says it in the Koran," she tells me.

Our (Western European) problem is we have NO book any longer,nothing,as they would see it,which leaves us largely worthless in their eyes.

As we left the camp I approached one more woman.

"Where are you from?"

"Dawlat al Islam, the Islamic State," she replied.

"Yeah, but where were you from before?"

"I am from the Islamic State!" she repeated.

I then asked about the IS leader, al Baghdadi. What did she think about his death?

"The Islamic State is remaining! The Islamic State is remaining!" she screamed.

We really don't have a clue....:(

wassie wrote: »

Got to love the Independant today: https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/declan-power-the-world-is-watching-we-must-handle-lisa-smiths-return-the-right-way-and-act-as-a-guide-to-others-38744111.html

Declan Power: 'The world is watching-we must handle Lisa Smith's return the right way and act as a guide to others'

...err sorry Decs...I don't think the world actually gives a toss....nice try tho'

The world will be watching in a way, as if we don't do it in the right manner we could be seen as a soft touch.

I know locally people will be watching like a hawk to see what happens.

US2 wrote: »

Is this her bringing a few young girls off to marry there 40 year old husbands

Scary picture, young girls chained up being taken who knows where overlooked by severe looking bitches

Eric Cartman wrote: »

we have had years to prepare a legal framework for this , we knew it would happen, Im obviously not a policy expert but we could have prepared something that made it impossible for terrorists to re-enter or intern them forever or have them renditioned to some state where dealing with the problem is legal.

renditioning her to a state who would deal with the problem is not possible, no state will take her, and rightly so.
preventing her from reentering is not possible, she is an irish citizen.
the only possible thing that could have been done is, make isis an illegal organization, make membership of it illegal, and update any existing legislation to have a severe sentence for being a member of a terrorist group. as that didn't happen, doing it now means it couldn't apply retrospectively to lisa smith.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well then we need to condemn the government for not taking that action. There has to be mechanisms to punish this behaviour and ensure terrorists cannot roam the streets here.

Fair enough. But as a mainly catholic country, this situation is unprecedented. They most likely will take action into the future. They’ve dealt with this situation admirably as far as current legislation is concerned tbh.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just on a serious note. What’s the story with her weird clipped speech pattern. Is it an effect of being in the army?

An effect from being in the army? Not sure what you mean.

Anyway, when you learn to speak Arabic (of any dialect and especially from native speakers instead of formally) you end up with a hybrid of formal and slang which have different rules than english.

The Arabic alphabet does not mirror the english/latin alphabet, for example there is no equivalent letter in Arabic for the english letter 'P'. In Arabic you would pronounce it as "Pepsi" but spell it as "Bebsi", as a "B" is the closest to a "P".

In addition, the Arabic language has 28 letters as opposed to the english 26 letters. Also, when speaking Arabic informally and with colloquialisms, you generally speak "Key Words".

For example in english we would say "I went to the shops yesterday". However in Arabic you would say "Yesterday I went shops", focussing on the key words only.

While then speaking in english, her brain is automatically using the "key words rules" which obviously sounds like she just had a stroke.

simongurnick wrote: »

Wonder if she had a filthy fry up when she got back?. Rashers, sausages, pudding the works. That's usually my number 1 when returning home

Would be mine to, and often loaded the suitcase with 20Kg out of the allowed 23Kg,,with all manner of pork goodies, the essentials in other words when travelling abroad !!! But for Muslim's...pork meat is 110% forbidden...including anything which may have any by-product of pork. Lisa will not be partaking of the traditional Irish Breakfast. Even if they are not sure if it contains pork or not, they will stay on the safe side, and not eat it. In multi cultural country's, Muslims will not sit beside some one who is eating pork, given the choice.