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Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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  • #2102
    Morris Moss
    Registered Users Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Morris Moss


    20Cent wrote: »
    XR will be like 1916.
    All the lads here slagging it will be saying they were in the GPO.

    Haha that's brilliant, comparing this absolute ****e to 1916 is comical.


  • #2103
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Edgware wrote: »
    The public need to fight back against any of these ***** who delay people on the way to work etc. Too much leeway given to them

    Why would you fight with a non-violent movement?


  • #2104
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    Why would you fight with a non-violent movement?

    You deny people the opportunity to earn their living you ain't going to get a polite response as the clowns on the train this morning discovered.


  • #2105
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    So we keep wrecking all our ecosystems and cutting down every last forest and continuing to pump all kinds of pollution into our rivers and oceans and it'll just be fine? It wont be fine until we kill off humans ourselves, but I would have thought most of us would want our species to go on for a while.

    The house you live in was once an 'ecosystem'. On that basis should you not knock the walls and re-wild it?
    Or is it a case that you have your house and screw anyone who wants to build one?
    Does ER have an I'm alright Jack element to it or are its principles consistent?


  • #2106
    MrAbyss
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MrAbyss


    Turns out the one with the pony tail is a super posh Buddhist teacher who was also involved in the blood spraying on the Treasury Building in London. He left the path of Buddha to become a "full time climate change activist". His living expenses and legal bills clearly being met by 'mooma and papah'.

    They really are all like something out of Southpark.


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  • #2107
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You deny people the opportunity to earn their living you ain't going to get a polite response as the clowns on the train this morning discovered.

    The reaction this morning was understandable and the rebels taking part likely expected it but is that really the society you want? Vigilantes?

    I was watching a clip earlier where a crowd had surrounded and attacked a person affiliated with XR who was live-streaming the event, he wasn't blocking their routes to work. The fury in the faces of the mob was quite disturbing. Initially, I wondered was it because this was the 10th day of protests, that the public were sick of it. But then I wondered if many of those people on the tube platform were actually disrupted at any point during the week. I suspect not many. Then I wondered if the mob were actually projecting their own fury with things in the UK right now into the protesters. People are divided and angry and attacking the 'other' is now commonplace. I wondered if that mob just needed a receptacle for their anger and the protesters were, on some unconscious level, made scapegoats.


  • #2108
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    The reaction this morning was understandable and the rebels taking part likely expected it but is that really the society you want? Vigilantes?



    So it's ok for one group to break the law and negatively affect the lives of another group but if said group reacts they are vigilantes. lol.



    I was watching a clip earlier where a crowd had surrounded and attacked a person affiliated with XR who was live-streaming the event, he wasn't blocking their routes to work. The fury in the faces of the mob was quite disturbing. Initially, I wondered was it because this was the 10th day of protests, that the public were sick of it. But then I wondered if many of those people on the tube platform were actually disrupted at any point during the week. I suspect not many. Then I wondered if the mob were actually projecting their own fury with things in the UK right now into the protesters. People are divided and angry and attacking the 'other' is now commonplace. I wondered if that mob just needed a receptacle for their anger and the protesters were, on some unconscious level, made scapegoats.

    Lot of wondering there dude, so you have don't have a clue as to why the commuters reacted they way they did?
    I can do some guesswork of my own. Trying to make a living been denied by some self righteous pr**k, yeah I think I would be p*ssed off aswell


  • #2109
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Lot of wondering there dude, so you have don't have a clue as to why the commuters reacted they way they did?

    The first line of my post says I do.


  • #2110
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    The first line of my post says I do.

    Ever hear the expression guilty by association?. You piss people off they ain't going to distinguish between what a particular member of said moment is doing. All tarred with the one brush.
    ER did themselves enormous harm today. Seriously how stupid can you be to target mass public transport? Sure fired way to lose support and alienate the public.


  • #2111
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ever hear the expression guilty by association?. You piss people off they ain't going to distinguish between what a particular member of said moment is doing. All tarred with the one brush.
    ER did themselves enormous harm today. Seriously how stupid can you be to target mass public transport? Sure fired way to lose support and alienate the public.

    I don't believe violence in those circumstances is ever justified. I think the people who attacked the protesters are already prone to anger and violence. The mob reaction was scary. I'm not saying anger and frustration is unjustified; the physical attacking of protesters was. What gave me heart was some people trying to calm the situation down, putting themselves in harm's way in the process.


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  • #2112
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    I don't believe violence in those circumstances is ever justified. I think the people who attacked the protesters are already prone to anger and violence. The mob reaction was scary. I'm not saying anger and frustration is unjustified; the physical attacking of protesters was. What gave me heart was some people trying to calm the situation down, putting themselves in harm's way in the process.
    I switch off when I read the word 'mob'. A derogatory term to suit an agenda.
    Of course no mention in your comment of the protester trying to kick a commuter in the head.


  • #2113
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    The easy option (also the most pointless) is to disrupt the general public as they try to get to or from work.
    If these people had any bottle they would target politicians.


  • #2114
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    20Cent wrote: »
    XR will be like 1916.
    All the lads here slagging it will be saying they were in the GPO.

    Yeah, no.


  • #2115
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    It will fade into obscurity.

    It'll go the way of Occupy, Kony and Y2K bug


  • #2116
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    XR will be like 1916.
    All the lads here slagging it will be saying they were in the GPO.

    We have officially jumped the shark.......


  • #2117
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    MrAbyss wrote: »
    Turns out the one with the pony tail is a super posh Buddhist teacher

    notsurprisedkirk.jpg


  • #2118
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    end of the road wrote: »
    they haven't turned the public as a whole against them, so they have still won. they have turned a subsection of the public against them who were probably not really that committed to listening anyway.either way, their message remains valid. they have achieved their main objective of getting the message out.
    over a thousand arrests says that no leeway was given to them. there is nothing for the public to fight back against here. protests cause disruption and are usually advertized in advance, so there is no excuse not to plan ahead to minimize such disruption. personal responsibility after all.

    The fact is a extinction rebellion was created by two anarchists in order to bring down the current political 'system' through a programme of 'civil disobedience'. Both individuals come from fairly comfortable backgrounds.

    That they are using climate alarmism to do so is perhaps not surprising. That's not denying climate change btw.

    The two are Roger Hallam's and Gail Bradbrook. Hallams various youtube videos and speeches leave little doubt his primary motivation is to forment civil unrest in order to overthrow the existing system of government in the UK and elsewhere

    Here Roger Hallam describes on a lecture video what he did after failing as an organic farmer:
    "I decided to come down to London to take out the system because I didn’t like it very much. That’s my plan. And I obviously wanted to study how to do it effectively so that’s why got myself into King’s College."

    https://youtu.be/aRLsRqKguW0

    The other co-founder of extinction rebellion is
    Gail Bradbrook who identifies as a neo-pagan, and who found her purpose in a trip to Costa Rica to help come up with a solution to societal ills. The trip included the use of various psychedelics drugs. She is quoted as saying:
    “I’d been focused on trying to start civil disobedience since 2010. I’d tried many things and they hadn’t worked. So I went on a retreat and prayed, with some psychedelic medicines. It was really intense and I prayed for what I called the codes for social change and within a month my prayer was answered.”

    They've both been largely busted at this point. The police are not going to pussy foot around their organisation of mass civil disobedience and unlawfully preventing people going around their daily business and trying to get to work. They have no mandate from the population at large and are little more than a busted boot.


  • #2119
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The easy option (also the most pointless) is to disrupt the general public as they try to get to or from work.
    If these people had any bottle they would target politicians.
    Extension Rebellion are staying well clear of the Rich and Powerful . They are going after soft targets i.e. The Working Class .


  • #2120
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,851 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Just to repeat my view

    I fully support the Irish XR

    The London version that is going after public transport does not have my support

    Blockade a motorway or airport instead I would support


  • #2121
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »

    Blockade a motorway or airport instead I would support

    Ah stop you wouldn't even support them on your day off. I believe you are depriving a village somewhere of your services.


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  • #2122
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Just to repeat my view

    I fully support the Irish XR

    The London version that is going after public transport does not have my support

    Blockade a motorway or airport instead I would support

    Do buses not use motorways? Do workers not need motorways to get to work? Ditto delivery of goods and services

    A shared flight on a full airplane is about as public as transport gets these days. But nothing like fuking up other peoples lives to make a point eh?


  • #2123
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Just to repeat my view

    I fully support the Irish XR

    The London version that is going after public transport does not have my support

    Blockade a motorway or airport instead I would support


    However when they don't get their way here we'll see how their behaviour changes.


  • #2124
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    gozunda wrote: »
    Do buses not use motorways? Do workers not need motorways to get to work? Ditto delivery of goods and services

    A shared flight on a full airplane is about as public as transport gets these days. But nothing like fuking up other peoples lives to make a point eh?


    A few days ago he was claiming no one wants to ground planes LOL total spoofer . He needs to realise plane trains and automobiles WILL still keep motoring ;-)


  • #2125
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    It will fade into obscurity. No popular support and it never will have. As thick as Joe public can be sometimes not thick enough to beg governments to tax him more or back a contrived sham of a movement like XR that's begging for more tax and less freedom. XR is nothing more than a feel good cult for bone idle wastrels who either live off their parents money or state handouts. The X factor for a bunch of smellbags. Get a job you bums.

    they already got jobs the non-bums.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You deny people the opportunity to earn their living you ain't going to get a polite response as the clowns on the train this morning discovered.

    it is one's personal responsibility to plan around any protests that may disrupt them. if one was denied the opportunity to earn a living, then they also have blame and certainly have no right to be behaving like thugs.
    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    The reaction this morning was understandable and the rebels taking part likely expected it but is that really the society you want? Vigilantes?

    I was watching a clip earlier where a crowd had surrounded and attacked a person affiliated with XR who was live-streaming the event, he wasn't blocking their routes to work. The fury in the faces of the mob was quite disturbing. Initially, I wondered was it because this was the 10th day of protests, that the public were sick of it. But then I wondered if many of those people on the tube platform were actually disrupted at any point during the week. I suspect not many. Then I wondered if the mob were actually projecting their own fury with things in the UK right now into the protesters. People are divided and angry and attacking the 'other' is now commonplace. I wondered if that mob just needed a receptacle for their anger and the protesters were, on some unconscious level, made scapegoats.

    i would suspect it was a mix of.
    1. the angry brigade who have a go at anyone and everyone when something happens they don't like. same type would have a go at staffhad it been some other issue that disrupted the tube, say emergency track works.
    2. people looking to specifically have a fight with extinction rebellion protesters. i suspect probably because they believe them to be of the opposite political view so are there fair game for attack.
    3. people looking to have a go at someone, anyone.
    normal people certainly don't behave like that anyway, in my experience at least.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2126
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Just to repeat my view

    I fully support the Irish XR

    The London version that is going after public transport does not have my support

    Blockade a motorway or airport instead I would support

    So a person gets a message that a relative has had a serious medical even so they rush to catch a plane to get to them and you think it's a good idea to make them miss their flight and so they arrive on an alternative one a day or more later, but the person dies just before they get there?

    Why do you think you and your like minded bleeps should be able to do that to other people?


  • #2127
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    I don't believe violence in those circumstances is ever justified. I think the people who attacked the protesters are already prone to anger and violence. The mob reaction was scary. I'm not saying anger and frustration is unjustified; the physical attacking of protesters was. What gave me heart was some people trying to calm the situation down, putting themselves in harm's way in the process.

    The "mob" when they don't subscribe to your world view, "activists" when they do. Why aren't xr hindering people in Mayfair, Notting Hill, Chelsea, Knightsbridge etc? The biggest consumers by far on this planet live in those kind of areas.


  • #2128
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    end of the road wrote: »
    they already got jobs the non-bums.



    it is one's personal responsibility to plan around any protests that may disrupt them. if one was denied the opportunity to earn a living, then they also have blame and certainly have no right to be behaving like thugs.

    Not how the world works comrade.


  • #2129
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    111533703" wrote:
    they already got jobs the non-bums.



    it is one's personal responsibility to plan around any protests that may disrupt them. if one was denied the opportunity to earn a living, then they also have blame and certainly have no right to be behaving like thugs.

    Not how the world works comrade.

    Your posts make you sound like you've watched too many Clint Eastwood films.


  • #2130
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Cut their social welfare. They are supposed to be out looking for jobs not making a nuisance of themselves


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  • #2131
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Cut their social welfare. They are supposed to be out looking for jobs not making a nuisance of themselves

    The 'men' kicking the protester in the head? Agreed.


  • #2132
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The 'men' kicking the protester in the head? Agreed.

    Guess again.


  • #2133
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    Why would you fight with a non-violent movement?
    Because they wont get out of my way. Shove their " peaceful protest" up their hole


  • #2134
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Edgware wrote: »
    Because they wont get out of my way. Shove their " peaceful protest" up their hole

    You so bad ass


  • #2135
    MrAbyss
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MrAbyss


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Why aren't xr hindering people in Mayfair, Notting Hill, Chelsea, Knightsbridge etc? .




    Because that is were the vast majority of them live. Like all the socialists today.


  • #2136
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Edgware wrote: »
    Because they wont get out of my way. Shove their " peaceful protest" up their hole

    They seem to be under the impression that they have some kind of right or authority to block people's path.


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  • #2137
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Omackeral wrote: »
    It'll go the way of Occupy, Kony and Y2K bug

    Yes the disappearing wildlife and ecosystems will just start to replenish by themselves and the oceans will clean themselves up and everything will go back to how it was 100 years ago, phew


  • #2138
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »

    Your posts make you sound like you've watched too many Clint Eastwood films.

    Clint Eastwood not particularly found of his old stuff tbh. Gran Tourino. Great movie, his character doesn't suffer idiots. Neither did the commuters this morning this must be fans too.


  • #2139
    MrAbyss
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MrAbyss


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Yes the disappearing wildlife and ecosystems will just start to replenish by themselves and the oceans will clean themselves up and everything will go back to how it was 100 years ago, phew




    How does taxing plant food remove the plastic floating in the ocean?


  • #2140
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    What did you do in the years before the environment was polluted beyond repair?

    I slagged off the people wanting to fix it on the internet son.


  • #2141
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Professor Moriarty wrote: »

    Clint Eastwood not particularly found of his old stuff tbh. Gran Tourino. Great movie, his character doesn't suffer idiots. Neither did the commuters this morning this must be fans too.

    Yay. Go Clints.


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  • #2142
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Yes the disappearing wildlife and ecosystems will just start to replenish by themselves and the oceans will clean themselves up and everything will go back to how it was 100 years ago, phew
    They'll be replenished with Gretas magic piss


  • #2143
    NotToScale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭NotToScale


    I'm a big supporter of environmental policies and a greener economy, but I think an aspect of these protests are just feeding the far right with fodder by being so unfocused.

    They're creating awareness and expressing anger, but I'm seeing very little in the way of calls for action to do something pragmatic and deliverable and some of the protests in London over the last 24 hours have actually targeted public transport, which is completely counterproductive.

    It's all very well expressing annoyance with the status quo, but you also have to provide leadership towards alternatives. The Green Parties and similar movements all do that and do it very well but some (and I stress some not all) of these protests are just really lacking that. It's ending up looking more like anarchy.

    My concern is that they'll actually turn people off what are really important issues by going that bit too extreme and actually end up undermining the Green movement rather than helping it by pushing it into the extremities of politics instead of the mainstream.

    In Europe in general there has been a lot of mainstreaming of Green policies and politics. To me, I just see more US polarised politics being imported to Europe. The US has a huge issue with climate change denial, anti-science, anti-expert and conspiracy theorist nonsense. In general, Europe hasn't had that level of insanity (it has had some but nothing like not he scale of Trumpish America). However, we're now seemingly importing the whole polarisation of an us vs them mentality that really risks a lot of problems.


  • #2144
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,851 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Sorry now but when I say motorway I mean private cars

    And when I say airport I mean commercial flights and particularly private planes.


  • #2145
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    MrAbyss wrote: »
    How does taxing plant food remove the plastic floating in the ocean?

    It doesn't. The f*ck are you on about?


  • #2146
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Omackeral wrote: »
    It'll go the way of Occupy, Kony and Y2K bug
    Yeah, let's leave the Y2K bug out of this bunch of usual suspects. It was a real thing and it went away because a whole lot of money was spent on fixing it.


  • #2147
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    20Cent wrote: »
    What did you do in the years before the environment was polluted beyond repair?

    I slagged off the people wanting to fix it on the internet son.

    Or

    I fought against the rich privileged people who wanted to make you poorer than me


  • #2148
    MrAbyss
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MrAbyss


    NotToScale wrote: »
    I'm a big supporter of environmental policies and a greener economy, but I think an aspect of these protests are just feeding the far right


    So basically anyone who questions Al Gore's hockey stick is essentially a member of the SS in your mind?

    You do realized that making such cheap slurs is the PRIMARY reason why people hate Leftists these days?


  • #2149
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Leftists! Lovin it. Waiting for libtard, SJW and snowflake. And Warmunist. My new favourite word. Let's kick the ****e out of all those goddam warmunists. Where's ma gun Maw?


  • #2150
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Or

    I fought against the rich privileged people who wanted to make you poorer than me

    They will definitely be poorer than you, don't worry.


  • #2151
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,624 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    We are all consumers and hypocrites but we need a new system or the Earth is f*cked!


    Changes are indeed needed..


    Scientifically proven incremental changes across society, changes that both benifet climate and biodiversity but allow society to continue functioning...



    But these idiots peddaling their doomsday scenario while holding some cort of carnival intent on making a nusience of themselves is no way to do it.


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