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03-10-2019, 13:48   #1
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Budget 2020: VRT on used imports

The rhetoric from the Gov and Irish motors dealers seems to be the UK is dumping its 'unwanted imports' on us...and we must charge our own consumers to discourage this awful practice and stop it immediately for the good our children.

The cynic in me sees it more as a way of restricting the selection the Irish consumer has by cutting off the UK, thus driving us into the arms of car dealers in Ireland, where VRT is a greater take for the Gov. Win/win for everyone except the consumer as we will be forced to fork out for new cars when there is ample used selection out there that would more than do the job.

The price of cars in Ireland, along with their basic specification, means the Irish consumer is shopping abroad for a better product.

UK cars are ending up in Ireland because the Irish consumer wants to buy them, due to the better price and spec they offer...not because the UK has a strategy to use Ireland as a breakers yard!

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03-10-2019, 21:51   #2
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Exactly my thoughts...and still no further work in making alternatives any more cost effective for us. As for car insurance, mine is due for renewal in 2 weeks, I'd like to gamble and wait til after Brexit/no Brexit to renew, as at the moment only finding one half decent quote with a 10 year plus NCD , nopoints/penalties, crossed fingers, I would so love to run an electric vehicle, or at least one ten years younger, but so far I'm not going to beat myself up for the 1 litres failings. All good come to those who wait....?
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Taht’s All true; however, the shift to petrol in new car sales is not refelected in second hand imports. The proposal the Dept floated in July was a NOX tax based on mg/km using V5 data and/or highest applicable for Euro4/5/6 if not stated. Proposal was for upwards of €2k charge on a Euro4 diesel meaning pre 2011 registrations.
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Taht’s All true; however, the shift to petrol in new car sales is not refelected in second hand imports. The proposal the Dept floated in July was a NOX tax based on mg/km using V5 data and/or highest applicable for Euro4/5/6 if not stated. Proposal was for upwards of €2k charge on a Euro4 diesel meaning pre 2011 registrations.
Thanks Marcusm, to confirm any uplift in VRT on used imports from the UK is only for EURO4 (pre 2011) cars, or EURO5/6 mays also get hit, albeit at a lower rate?
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Thanks Marcusm, to confirm any uplift in VRT on used imports from the UK is only for EURO4 (pre 2011) cars, or EURO5/6 mays also get hit, albeit at a lower rate?
The papers included proposals that cars registered after a future date (whether new or secondhand imports) would attract a NOX element to VRT. That included sample calculations for Euro 4-6. Those papers were issued in July and the feedback to them will inform the announcements next week. I think it’s fair to assume that, if implemented, it will apply to all cars newly registered as to do otherwise would impinge on freedom of movement of goods, ie second hand imports could not be unfairly targeted.
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Without checking for dpf removals and measuring diesel emissions at NCT the whole clean air buzz is dead.
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It's all academic if they crash out it won't be remotely cost effective to import from outside the EU,no matter how low sterling goes.
Price,+shipping travel expenses etc,then vat on that then customs duty then vrt on top and then nox tax.
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It's all academic if they crash out it won't be remotely cost effective to import from outside the EU,no matter how low sterling goes.
Price,+shipping travel expenses etc,then vat on that then customs duty then vrt on top and then nox tax.

Don't think that's entirely true, there should still be plenty of cars worth importing in, if you look at the amount of hybrids and low sized petrols imported from Japan the last 5 years or so there's thousands coming in and they would be subject to the very same plus around a grand in shipping costs on top.
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https://www.lobbying.ie/return/51078...motor-industry

How good of SIMI to bring their environmental concerns to the Minister.

Quite simply, a tax specifically on used imports is designed to hobble grey imports which are depressing the local Irish market (the way a single market is meant to actually work btw).
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The Irish car trade hasn't a problem with UK imports per se.

What it has a problem with is people going over to the UK and buying their car themselves.

That's costing the Irish trade money because it's harder to sell cars as less buyers in the market.

We know there isn't an inherent dislike of UK imports in the Irish trade because the Irish trade itself happily deals in UK imports itself when it suits.

Irish trade wants you to pay top dollar for an Audi A6 rather then save by buying in UK.

Brexit is obviously a barrier to UK imports in short term BUT if you are the motor trade planning your future.

Then you need to plan for no deal being possibly not a long term situation.

Hence cracking down on UK imports with some new non Brexit rules.
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The Irish motor trade or SIMI want their bread buttered on both sides. They want to value your trade-in at UK prices but want to sell you their car at inflated Irish prices. They then whinge to and lobby the Government when the consumer doesn't play ball and seeks better value across the Irish Sea.

Its similar to the minimum alcohol pricing they are bringing in. Lobby groups like the Vintners' Federation complaining that supermarkets selling cheap booze are taking their members livelihoods yet they keep increasing the price of their drink regularly instead of reducing it to stay competitive. Government wilts and then introduces minimum pricing in the name of reducing binge drinking to appease them.
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Excuse my ignorance but how is southern cars have poorer spec? Are dealers here just not selling as good a car?
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Better speced new cars attracted more tax here which raised the list price of them. In turn people went for the cheaper lower speced versions.
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Better speced new cars attracted more tax here which raised the list price of them. In turn people went for the cheaper lower speced versions.
Ah ok. So would it be wise to look in the north for a new car or will the budget now mess that up coupled with Brexit.
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Nobody knows for sure what way Brexit will work out regarding importing used cars. If they crash out without a deal then you could be stung for VAT as well as VRT on an imported used car which would make it more expensive to import.

If you are ready to buy then I'd tend to do it before the end of this month.
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