DCM 2019 - Mentored Novices Thread

smashiner · 05-09-2019 11:18am

rizzee wrote: »

I don't want to stray off topic but does anyone use a Garmin 45/s watch? Currently €189 in Argos, I'm thinking of picking one up.

My Amazfit Pace has stopped working after my run last night, tried factory reset & fully charging, set it up again this morning and it keeps turning off after 2 mins. Happened 5 or 6 times now, will try again later. Unfortunately no receipt and it's a year old now but I definitely got my moneys worth so I'm happy to change. I can use my phone for tonight's run and Saturdays 26km LSR but I hope to have a watch next week especially before the Half in 2 weeks time.

Any other recommendations under €200 would be appreciated.

I have a Garmin 230 and it a super watch and very comfortable to wear but it doesn't have a built in HRM, the 235 has a HRM built in and anyone that I know that has a 230/235 really likes them as they have a great battery life and can be used for other sports such as swimming (100% waterproof). The 45/s looks good too in fairness, so you won't go too far wrong there either.

Have a quick look on Amazon and eBay before you take the plunge.....

Wiggle are great too and offer no hassle returns, I have bought a fair bit of stuff from them over the past 3-4 years (Running/Triathlon stuff) and find them really good, fast delivery etc.

Doc76 · 05-09-2019 11:22am

skyblue46 wrote: »

There are very good deals to be had on the FR 235 at the moment. It was a 299 euro watch not too long ago but can easily be picked up for 175 now since the launch of the FR 245

Definitely! I got my 235 on amazon as deal of the day for 150 with shipping included. Great watch.

frash · 05-09-2019 11:24am

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Nice job in keeping at it while away - you got in some decent mileage over those weeks.

4-5 miles today sounds perfect. I'd cap Saturday's run at 10 miles (don't want to overload this week too much), and push next weekend's one out to 14 miles. How does that sound?

Cool - will do that thanks

py · 05-09-2019 11:51am

Another one for the Garmin Forerunner 235, has been a great watch since upgrading a few months ago.

DeepBlue · 05-09-2019 11:52am

I'll be doing the Charleville Half Marathon on the 15th September so I've already swapped around next week's runs with the following week. However I notice that the LSR prior to the DC HM is 16 miles. I'm aiming for 1.40 in Charleville (gotta have a target, right?). This would be a 2 minute HM PB.
I'm not confident I'll get it as I've done no speedwork for months. On the other hand my last HM PB in June included a 40 second stop for water, the temp was warmer then and the course a bit hillier so may as well give it a shot. So, to give myself every chance, I've also moved the 16 mile LSR to this week and pushed the 20 miler to next week.

Original Plan:

Alterations:

Any objections?

ReeReeG · 05-09-2019 1:33pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

I'll be doing the Charleville Half Marathon on the 15th September so I've already swapped around next week's runs with the following week. However I notice that the LSR prior to the DC HM is 16 miles. I'm aiming for 1.40 in Charleville (gotta have a target, right?). This would be a 2 minute HM PB.
I'm not confident I'll get it as I've done no speedwork for months. On the other hand my last HM PB in June included a 40 second stop for water, the temp was warmer then and the course a bit hillier so may as well give it a shot. So, to give myself every chance, I've also moved the 16 mile LSR to this week and pushed the 20 miler to next week.

Original Plan:

Alterations:

Any objections?

You might not want to hear this, but I'd leave the first 20 miles where it is i.e. this coming weekend, and not worry about a PB for the HM. As has been stated many, many times across this forum - keep the main thing, the main thing

Having two 20 mile runs two weekends in a row seems a bit much tbh, especially as you're getting closer to the marathon. So we could say 20 miles this weekend, HM the 15th, 16 miles that weekend and back with the plan the week of 23rd Sept and 20 miles.

The other thing is the 9 miles at MP the week after the HM, might be wiser to leave that to the week of the 23rd.

Sunday Runner · 05-09-2019 1:39pm

Raging I didn't do the GT run,BUT I know now that I would totally have raced it. Totally! I went out and did 8 miles at home instead. It was a glorious evening, a little bit on the chilly side which I love. Very dark though, so I stuck to the footpaths. I slathered my feet in vaseline, I wore 1000 mile socks and I did the heel lock thing. No new blisters on the recurring sites on my right foot, only a new one underneath.

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They also offer free publications like the safe cross code for children and safe cycling etc.

Order them today:
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Huzzah! · 05-09-2019 1:47pm

Sunday Runner wrote: »

Raging I didn't do the GT run,BUT I know now that I would totally have raced it. Totally!

A few of us were commenting yesterday that we were glad not to be racing it. Dublin was windy yesterday!

Sunday Runner · 05-09-2019 2:01pm

Huzzah! wrote: »

A few of us were commenting yesterday that we were glad not to be racing it. Dublin was windy yesterday!

Well now, when I say race.....:D My racing will never put me on the podium, but I don't think I would have casually jogged along. So glad I didn't have my running gear with me at work!

marathon19 · 05-09-2019 2:02pm

rizzee wrote: »

I don't want to stray off topic but does anyone use a Garmin 45/s watch? Currently €189 in Argos, I'm thinking of picking one up.

My Amazfit Pace has stopped working after my run last night, tried factory reset & fully charging, set it up again this morning and it keeps turning off after 2 mins. Happened 5 or 6 times now, will try again later. Unfortunately no receipt and it's a year old now but I definitely got my moneys worth so I'm happy to change. I can use my phone for tonight's run and Saturdays 26km LSR but I hope to have a watch next week especially before the Half in 2 weeks time.

Any other recommendations under €200 would be appreciated.

I was using the amazfit pace for a couple of years before it started having problems, I upgraded to the amazfit stratos 3. Cost me €146 on polish Ali express site. Very happy so far.

Treviso · 05-09-2019 2:05pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

I'll be doing the Charleville Half Marathon on the 15th September so I've already swapped around next week's runs with the following week. However I notice that the LSR prior to the DC HM is 16 miles. I'm aiming for 1.40 in Charleville (gotta have a target, right?). This would be a 2 minute HM PB.
I'm not confident I'll get it as I've done no speedwork for months. On the other hand my last HM PB in June included a 40 second stop for water, the temp was warmer then and the course a bit hillier so may as well give it a shot.

I would say go for the 1.40. Charleville is meant to be the faster HM course around. I wouldn't worry about not having done speedwork in months. You won't have lost speed but you will have gained endurance.

Just as an FYI, you'll need to average 7.30 pace for the HM, not 7.37 according to calculators, to allow for racing line and all that. I did Cork HM in 1.39.17 with an avg of 7.29.

I'll be running Charleville too so might see you there

jackc101 · 05-09-2019 2:46pm

I'm doing Charleville as well, (Instead of DCHM), what's the suggested changes to the boards plan, switch week 13 with week 12?

rizzee · 05-09-2019 4:10pm

Thanks for the watch suggestions folks. I went with the Garmin 45, being delivered next week.

Mr. Guappa · 05-09-2019 6:45pm

jackc101 wrote: »

I'm doing Charleville as well, (Instead of DCHM), what's the suggested changes to the boards plan, switch week 13 with week 12?

Soulsun · 05-09-2019 7:13pm

Fallen off the wagon this week. Any advice on where to start back?

Mr. Guappa · 05-09-2019 9:13pm

Soulsun wrote: »

Fallen off the wagon this week. Any advice on where to start back?

5 easy miles tomorrow and a long run Sunday. Any particular reason for this week's setback?

Bananaleaf · 05-09-2019 9:40pm

For LSRs on Saturday - is it best to do a stretching routine on Thursday to give the legs a chance to recover in time for Sat?

Also, I know it was mentioned that there is such a thing as overhydrating when running, is this also a thing regarding day to day? I'm currently drinking about 3L of water per day. It was mentioned to me that it is an excessive amount as I'm getting water from my food and that with that amount of fluid intake I'm likely flushing out vits and mins.

skyblue46 · 05-09-2019 9:49pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

For LSRs on Saturday - is it best to do a stretching routine on Thursday to give the legs a chance to recover in time for Sat?

Also, I know it was mentioned that there is such a thing as overhydrating when running, is this also a thing regarding day to day? I'm currently drinking about 3L of water per day. It was mentioned to me that it is an excessive amount as I'm getting water from my food and that with that amount of fluid intake I'm likely flushing out vits and mins.

It's not excessive. The 'average' person should drink at least 2 litres of water a day. You are sweating during your runs and are active. The pee check is a good guide.. clear urine is an indication of over hydration, deep yellow means you're possibly slightly dehydrated. Aim for a straw coloured/ very light yellow pee...How did it ever come to this! Hahahaha

murphyebass · 05-09-2019 9:53pm

Doc76 wrote: »

Definitely! I got my 235 on amazon as deal of the day for 150 with shipping included. Great watch.

I grabbed it on the deal of the day to for that price. I had it set on camelcamelcamel because it did drop earlier in the. It’ll drop again I’d say. Old tech now really but a great watch. I’ve done a half dozen 5k runs with it in the past week or so and gps has been perfect and app interaction flawless.

skyblue46 · 05-09-2019 9:55pm

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Might be of interest....

Bananaleaf · 05-09-2019 9:55pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

It's not excessive. The 'average' person should drink at least 2 litres of water a day. You are sweating during your runs and are active. The pee check is a good guide.. clear urine is an indication of over hydration, deep yellow means you're possibly slightly dehydrated. Aim for a straw coloured/ very light yellow pee...How did it ever come to this! Hahahaha

Hahaha, well at the risk of TMI, I might be over hydrating so, as I thought clear was the goal. I'm putting the water bottle away right now!

sonyvision · 05-09-2019 11:45pm

Started running last september hopingto do my first 5k. Ran 26 parkruns so far, 2 10 milers, 2 10ks and one half marathon.

Just been offered a spot for the marathon, my sunday runs are just shy of 3 hours so training is good. Hoping for 4 hours which should be possible, my first half marathon was 1:47.

Next question, is there a way to transfer the name on the bid or does the person need to be with me in person to pick up the number?

Sorry if this has been asked before.

skyblue46 · 05-09-2019 11:50pm

sonyvision wrote: »

Started running last september hopingto do my first 5k. Ran 26 parkruns so far, 2 10 milers, 2 10ks and one half marathon.

Just been offered a spot for the marathon, my sunday runs are just shy of 3 hours so training is good. Hoping for 4 hours which should be possible, my first half marathon was 1:47.

Next question, is there a way to transfer the name on the bid or does the person need to be with me in person to pick up the number?

Sorry if this has been asked before.

Simply put it is not within the rules for you to run. Transferring of numbers is not allowed. The registered athlete will need to collect the number.

Soulsun · 06-09-2019 6:39am

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

5 easy miles tomorrow and a long run Sunday. Any particular reason for this week's setback?

Will do.
Setback due to lack of discipline.
Thanks

greentea is just wrong · 06-09-2019 10:08am

If anyone see's the Garmin 235 on Deal of the Day, or another good deal, please lemme know, would love to get one

Prospector1989 · 06-09-2019 10:33am

greentea is just wrong wrote: »

If anyone see's the Garmin 235 on Deal of the Day, or another good deal, please lemme know, would love to get one

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Garmin-Forerunner-Running-Elevate-Notifications-Black-Grey/dp/B016ZWT64M/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1PT5CDB116346&keywords=forerunner+235&qid=1567761866&refinements=p_89%3AGarmin&rnid=1632651031&s=gateway&sprefix=forer%2Caps%2C298&sr=8-1

£163.93 (GBP) on Amazon currently.

Edit: German Amazon cheaper as pointed out by DeepBlue, below.

DeepBlue · 06-09-2019 10:35am

ReeReeG wrote: »

You might not want to hear this, but I'd leave the first 20 miles where it is i.e. this coming weekend, and not worry about a PB for the HM. As has been stated many, many times across this forum - keep the main thing, the main thing

Having two 20 mile runs two weekends in a row seems a bit much tbh, especially as you're getting closer to the marathon. So we could say 20 miles this weekend, HM the 15th, 16 miles that weekend and back with the plan the week of 23rd Sept and 20 miles.

The other thing is the 9 miles at MP the week after the HM, might be wiser to leave that to the week of the 23rd.

Cool. Mainly I was wondering if that 16m LSR was where it was on the plan with an eye to the DCHM. I'd prefer to have it done and dusted anyway. I'll readjust the remaining as suggested.

I'm not sure what you mean by not worrying about the PB. Do you mean I shouldn't run full gas?

ReeReeG · 06-09-2019 10:39am

DeepBlue wrote: »

Cool. Mainly I was wondering if that 16m LSR was where it was on the plan with an eye to the DCHM. I'd prefer to have it done and dusted anyway. I'll readjust the remaining as suggested.

I'm not sure what you mean by not worrying about the PB. Do you mean I shouldn't run full gas?

No, I took it you wanted to do 16 as opposed to 20 so you'd be less tired for the HM. The not worrying is more if you do then feel tired in the HM, it's because you're in the thick of marathon training and not to feel disheartened

But of course, this might not happen and you might feel amazing

DeepBlue · 06-09-2019 10:42am

Prospector1989 wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Garmin-Forerunner-Running-Elevate-Notifications-Black-Grey/dp/B016ZWT64M/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1PT5CDB116346&keywords=forerunner+235&qid=1567761866&refinements=p_89%3AGarmin&rnid=1632651031&s=gateway&sprefix=forer%2Caps%2C298&sr=8-1

£163.93 (GBP) on Amazon currently.

It's about €20 cheaper on the German amazon site ->link

Prospector1989 · 06-09-2019 10:45am

DeepBlue wrote: »

It's about €20 cheaper on the German amazon site ->link

Even better!
For anyone considering the 235. I would highly recommend it.

eabha19 · 06-09-2019 2:31pm

Quick query: I didn't get out yesterday as I was in town between work and a meeting afterwards from 8a.m. til 11 p.m. with pilates at lunch replacing my lunch time run. Would it be ok to do the 4 miles with sprints tonight and still do my 20 miles tomorrow - Sunday long run is not really an option for me.

Huzzah! · 06-09-2019 3:02pm

eabha19 wrote: »

Quick query: I didn't get out yesterday as I was in town between work and a meeting afterwards from 8a.m. til 11 p.m. with pilates at lunch replacing my lunch time run. Would it be ok to do the 4 miles with sprints tonight and still do my 20 miles tomorrow - Sunday long run is not really an option for me.

Do the four miles tonight and drop the strides, I think.

eabha19 · 06-09-2019 4:45pm

Huzzah! wrote: »

Do the four miles tonight and drop the strides, I think.

Thanks Huzzah. I have to say I've noticed the difference with kids back to school this week and all activities back on trying to squeeze runs in. Bring back the summer hols please!

DeepBlue · 06-09-2019 7:10pm

- How was week ten for you?

Grand. On the mid week runs the previous week I was feeling a bit "I really don't want to do this" mainly due to crap weather but it was back to normal this week. I was a bit cranky on Thursday so ran faster than on plan getting some frustration out.

- Write down your progress - where have you come from as a runner since starting this plan?

I've been running almost two years now but only really started following plans early this year. Starting from a low base it's relatively easy to make progress with more training and some weight loss and I'd wondered how motivated I'd be to run when the results started to plateau. Luckily I enjoy the slow runs so I don't think there's anything to worry about.

- What are the small/big changes that you need to make in the coming few weeks BEFORE the taper.

Hmmm……not sure. Things appear to be going ok without any major issues so I guess just keep doing what I'm doing.

- What are the things that you NEED to do in the coming 3-4 long runs to better prep for DCM?

I think the physical side of things are going to be ok in that I'll get around the course close enough to expected time - barring injury (fingers and toes crossed). I'm not so sure of the mental side of things yet. Will I be disciplined enough to keep to a steady pace early on or will I get greedy for a faster time or start thinking I'm going too slow? If I start to feel like I'm struggling relatively early how will I react? That's the kind of stuff I'm not sure about so that's what's going to be tested out in the half and the next few long runs.

Mr. Guappa · 06-09-2019 8:28pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

I think the physical side of things are going to be ok in that I'll get around the course close enough to expected time - barring injury (fingers and toes crossed). I'm not so sure of the mental side of things yet. Will I be disciplined enough to keep to a steady pace early on or will I get greedy for a faster time or start thinking I'm going too slow? If I start to feel like I'm struggling relatively early how will I react? That's the kind of stuff I'm not sure about so that's what's going to be tested out in the half and the next few long runs.

The physical and mental are intertwined to a large degree - lose concentration and allow the pace creep up a bit in the early stages and you'll physically pay for it 3 hours later. Practice that pacing discipline in your remaining long runs and especially during Charleville. And please stop tearing around parkruns! If you are incorporating a parkrun into a long run, do the parkrun at LSR pace.

Bananaleaf · 06-09-2019 8:50pm

It's 20m eve!! Good luck tomorrow everyone!

Unknownability · 06-09-2019 9:24pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

It's 20m eve!! Good luck tomorrow everyone!

Im looking forward to it now, have all the gear ready.

Plan is to get up and do it around 630, two miles out and two miles back five times different directions, makes water so much easier but very boring.

Bananaleaf · 06-09-2019 9:34pm

Unknownability wrote: »

Im looking forward to it now, have all the gear ready.

Plan is to get up and do it around 630, two miles out and two miles back five times different directions, makes water so much easier but very boring.

I'm a snail, so it's a 5:55am start for me!! So, with that in mind I will bid ye goodnight. This time tomorrow I'll be up to my ears in pizza!

Laineyfrecks · 06-09-2019 9:35pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

It's 20m eve!! Good luck tomorrow everyone!

Defo not as exciting as xmas eve haha

ReeReeG · 07-09-2019 1:24pm

Great seeing all the long, long runs on Strava this morning! I'm gonna guess lots of you are having naps about now:)

Rega · 07-09-2019 1:42pm

ReeReeG wrote: »

Great seeing all the long, long runs on Strava this morning! I'm gonna guess lots of you are having naps about now:)

Left the house at 5.45
Started running at 6.15
Back home at 10
Brought my daughter to ballet at 10.20
Snoozing in the car in the carpark while my wife and daughter went shopping at 11.30.
My rock and roll lifestyle!

Unknownability · 07-09-2019 1:50pm

ReeReeG wrote: »

Great seeing all the long, long runs on Strava this morning! I'm gonna guess lots of you are having naps about now:)

A nap would be a great idea, just have to get through a 3yr olds birthday party first.

Run went well, no major complications. Did stop for 30 seconds to stretch as hamstring still feels dead.

Aim for this week is to concentrate on stretching and foam rolling everyday.

Laineyfrecks · 07-09-2019 3:38pm

ReeReeG wrote: »

Great seeing all the long, long runs on Strava this morning! I'm gonna guess lots of you are having naps about now:)

Wasn't feeling great all day yesterday so dosed myself up & went to bed early although i had a really bad sleep & my poor little grandson ended up being kept in hospital because of an infection & he's dehydrated:( Anyways wasn't sure if I'd be able for it today but got up had my porridge & dosed myself again & felt fine! So decided to head out!! Run went well, happy to have it done

So just sitting in the hospital now minding poor Leon while mammy takes a break! Defo a nap on the cards at some stage!!

Bananaleaf · 07-09-2019 3:48pm

Laineyfrecks wrote: »

Wasn't feeling great all day yesterday so dosed myself up & went to bed early although i had a really bad sleep & my poor little grandson ended up being kept in hospital because of an infection & he's dehydrated:( Anyways wasn't sure if I'd be able for it today but got up had my porridge & dosed myself again & felt fine! So decided to head out!! Run went well, happy to have it done

So just sitting in the hospital now minding poor Leon while mammy takes a break! Defo a nap on the cards at some stage!!

Well done for getting out with all that going on. Poor Leon

I hope he is back to normal real soon

Laineyfrecks · 07-09-2019 4:26pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Well done for getting out with all that going on. Poor Leon I hope he is back to normal real soon

Thank a mill, he's in the best possible place!

rizzee · 07-09-2019 6:22pm

Heading out for the 16mile LSR soon. Nice cool evening. Expecting 2:50 or thereabouts.

Is there a limit on how long we should be running for these LSRs? Based on this, the 20 mile in a couple of weeks time would be over 3:20 anyway. Is that too long for a training run, running close to the full distance expected times?

rovers_runner · 07-09-2019 6:29pm

rizzee wrote: »

Heading out for the 16mile LSR soon. Nice cool evening. Expecting 2:50 or thereabouts.

Is there a limit on how long we should be running for these LSRs? Based on this, the 20 mile in a couple of weeks time would be over 3:20 anyway. Is that too long for a training run, running close to the full distance expected times?

Don't worry about spending longer out there if you need to due to pace.
I'd recommend getting the distance as mentally you'll be set up for that number on the day as a safe distance that you have in the bank before tackling the last few miles.
People say limit to 3hrs in lsr but that isn't for everyone.
Better to have 20 handy miles than 17 paced ones to a time limit.

Wombled · 07-09-2019 8:13pm

16 miles LSr today, general aches and pains everywhere. Anyone else feeling it. I am just fit for bed now

rizzee · 07-09-2019 11:21pm

Really struggled with that LSR. Did 21kms in 2:32:xx. Then my battery on phone died, so didnt get an accurate distance reading after that. After the 14km mark I had no water left and thighs were aching. Pitch black out too. Just felt like a bad run with nothing going my way! Could be a number of factors, hydration, didn't have a meal since 2pm etc....Going to have a good sleep now and rest tomorrow. Roll on next week. Staying positive.

Cult1973 · 08-09-2019 8:24am

Anyone having foot trouble. Have extreme groin and foot pain, but will stick to one at a time. Get to around ten miles and the foot pain in both feet is extreme. Have shock absorber insoles in my runners, thought I had fractures in feet but pain completely gone since I finished run.
Did a hop test to make sure no fractures
Anyone similar problem and some solution
Thanks

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