Family forced to squat in house....

gctest50 · 25-06-2019 4:52pm

Boggles wrote: »

Is that "car" the mobile homes black box?

Not a scratch.

No, no, easy mistake to make though -

it marks where one of the five children burned to death*

That was their favourite toy, that little green car

(*because someone wouldn't buy an electronic deep fat fryer)

LirW · 25-06-2019 7:02pm

Gatling wrote: »

I think they should look into setting up mobile home villages ,for temporary housing for medium to short term use and restrictions on on bigger homes ,it should be a case of a two bedroom property and if people decide to have 5/6 children they should face the consequences of living in cramped accommodation and not panderer to by giving them bigger and bigger accommodation

The issue is that a large number of people living in social housing genuinely depend on it. They might be disabled, ill, have disabled or I'll children, don't earn enough money.
All the above is in the same pool with the couple this thread is about.

Generally I like the idea that if anyone hits hard times they won't have to worry about their entire existence. It could be every single one of us losing everything overnight and depending on help.
Unfortunately you do have people gaming the system that would then press for the same treatment: suddenly one of their children is disabled or they're disabled and can't work etc.

I don't know what the solution is to be honest. Maybe a lease based system that effectively assesses individual need and how someone is engaging with services. Comes with its own problems.
Just shows how difficult the whole social housing situation is.

James Brown · 25-06-2019 7:03pm

gctest50 wrote: »

No, no, easy mistake to make though -

it marks where one of the five children burned to death*

That was their favourite toy, that little green car

(*because someone wouldn't buy an electronic deep fat fryer)

Jesus that's pretty dismissive for dead children.

gctest50 · 25-06-2019 7:10pm

No .... this is though :

Boggles wrote: »

Is that "car" the mobile homes black box?

Not a scratch.

Atoms for Peace · 25-06-2019 7:22pm

Berserker wrote: »

Are you talking about forced abortions? If not, what happens when baby arrives and they don't have the deposit/savings?

Sell them to the Yanks, it was a profitable sideline for the nuns, so why not for the state.

Jupiter Mulligan · 25-06-2019 7:41pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Sell them to the Yanks, it was a profitable sideline for the nuns, so why not for the state.

Human trafficking regulations have tightened up a bit since the halcyon days when nuns and priest were enthusiastic participants in the baby trading marketplace.

Spanish Eyes · 25-06-2019 7:43pm

FORCED to take over a house? Yeah right. Sorry now, this rubbish has to be nipped soon.

But it sells papers or is clickbait, take your pick.

Guy:Incognito · 25-06-2019 8:02pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Jesus Christ some of the comments posted here wouldn't be out of place in 1930's Germany also judging people because of what they call their children???

I will absolutely judge people on what they call their children. I include famous people in that too.

Guy:Incognito · 25-06-2019 8:05pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think the issue would be if anything happened the state know they'll probably get sued for forcing a family to live in such un suitable conditions.

Youre confusing forcing with "being generous and giving them a free house"

They are free to buy their own house with as many bedrooms as they desire should they choose to........

Guy:Incognito · 25-06-2019 8:08pm

gctest50 wrote: »

No, no, easy mistake to make though -

it marks where one of the five children burned to death*

That was their favourite toy, that little green car

(*because someone wouldn't buy an electronic deep fat fryer)

"dont give them cost effective homes because they are idiots and will set first to them" isnt a valid reason.

FFS we cant absolve grown adults of all responsibility. They have to be expected to be able to do something for themselves and if not, then its time to take the children off them and cut them loose to fend for themselves (the adults)

byhookorbycrook · 25-06-2019 8:21pm

Hmmmm... "The court heard that Hand’s 78 previous convictions stem from a chronic heroin addiction."
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-to-be-sentenced-later-for-raiding-a-shop-after-his-drug-dealer-stole-from-him-28949537.html

"The court heard the brothers have a total of 100 previous convictions between them, and come from a family of 13 children with an extremely dysfunctional background."Maybe have less kids himself, then?
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2007/11/24/22693-three-brothers-jailed-over-failed-robbery

gctest50 · 25-06-2019 8:26pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"dont give them cost effective homes because they are idiots and will set first to them" isnt a valid reason..........

Look at the area a halting site takes up :

Happy4all · 25-06-2019 8:48pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Hmmmm... "The court heard that Hand’s 78 previous convictions stem from a chronic heroin addiction."
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-to-be-sentenced-later-for-raiding-a-shop-after-his-drug-dealer-stole-from-him-28949537.html

"The court heard the brothers have a total of 100 previous convictions between them, and come from a family of 13 children with an extremely dysfunctional background."Maybe have less kids himself, then?
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2007/11/24/22693-three-brothers-jailed-over-failed-robbery

The bloke in the OP's post is 27 now. cant be the fella(s) in article's linked?

Guy:Incognito · 25-06-2019 9:10pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Look at the area a halting site takes up :

So similar to a housing estate without the cost of actually building the houses? Whats the issue?

Theres no need for them all to have big driveways and gardens. Again, if they want acreage, they are free to buy it themselves.

Plus , no one mentioned that mobile homes only be used for travellers. They can be used as temporary homes for anyone.

How many mobile sites are there around the country used as holiday homes (and plenty living there permanently) without the need for walled partitions, big driveways and gardens?

There isnt a need for these to be where land is expensive either. Greenfield sites in cheap land areas will do.

Viscount Aggro · 25-06-2019 9:38pm

That is a different Hand in the news article - check his age, and date of article.

Ginger83 · 25-06-2019 11:48pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

That is a different Hand in the news article - check his age, and date of article.

They is all the same......boss

Eric Cartman · 26-06-2019 12:17am

gctest50 wrote: »

No, no, easy mistake to make though -

it marks where one of the five children burned to death*

That was their favourite toy, that little green car

(*because someone wouldn't buy an electronic deep fat fryer)

And being wrecked on benzos and drink was considered appropriate

Dual wheels · 26-06-2019 12:21am

Family have to squat in their house? Hard to believe this day and age and they have no toilet

Deebles McBeebles · 26-06-2019 9:13am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

There isnt a need for these to be where land is expensive either. Greenfield sites in cheap land areas will do.

There is absolutely no need but there is an entitlement. The entitlement and the complete lack of personal responsibility means we have a community of toddlers and a government who allows this behaviour. Like a modern-day parent, all praise and no discipline.

Lollipops23 · 26-06-2019 12:07pm

I read something interesting yesterday about a girl from a very disadvantaged area who recently graduated from TCD; she was a bright kid (clearly) who, when she sat down with her career guidance counselor, was advised to apply for a beauty or massage course in the local PLC college. This is before she'd sat her LC and when she'd expressed an interest in a university education.

What hope do these kids have if *this* is what they're being told to aim for? Surely the only way out of this vicious cycle is to tell these kids that they can achieve so much more if they set themselves to it. This disdain for education and bettering oneself has to stop, or we'll have an entire class of layabout scummers with zero respect for themselves or anyone else.

Jupiter Mulligan · 26-06-2019 12:50pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I read something interesting yesterday about a girl from a very disadvantaged area who recently graduated from TCD; she was a bright kid (clearly) who, when she sat down with her career guidance counselor, was advised to apply for a beauty or massage course in the local PLC college. This is before she'd sat her LC and when she'd expressed an interest in a university education.

What hope do these kids have if *this* is what they're being told to aim for? Surely the only way out of this vicious cycle is to tell these kids that they can achieve so much more if they set themselves to it. This disdain for education and bettering oneself has to stop, or we'll have an entire class of layabout scummers with zero respect for themselves or anyone else.

I'd prefer to hear the CG teacher's side of that story before coming to a conclusion.

Lollipops23 · 26-06-2019 2:41pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

I'd prefer to hear the CG teacher's side of that story before coming to a conclusion.

Well the young one just finished her course there, so it clearly worked out well for her.

mariaalice · 27-06-2019 8:54am

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Well the young one just finished her course there, so it clearly worked out well for her.

There seem to be an afwel lot of people who were told by their career guidance teacher to aim low, and in 99.9% of the time that did not happen.

What can happen is the pupil has dyslexia or other learning issues and get stressed about going to college the career guidance teacher suggests some alternative ways of getting to college ... the pupil heres that they are not good enough for Trinity or where ever they want to go.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-06-2019 9:04am

Did we ever find out where they lived before this squat? And why they aren't still there?

Its no different to those tossers taking over buildings in Dublin city centre, gardai in, f*ck 'em out.

creeper1 · 27-06-2019 9:17am

The fact that children are involved makes all the difference. With children involved, and this is also the case with Margaret Cash, solutions may be found and sympathy given for their plight.

jo2509 · 27-06-2019 9:18am

This girl was on Newstalk this morning bemoaning her plight.
They'd been living with her mother, who 'threw them out'. Said mother is still coming over to collect their rubbish however.
Meanwhile i'm sitting on the bus listening to this thinking i'm going into work to basically subsidize these scroungers.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-06-2019 9:33am

jo2509 wrote: »

This girl was on Newstalk this morning bemoaning her plight.
They'd been living with her mother, who 'threw them out'. Said mother is still coming over to collect their rubbish however.
Meanwhile i'm sitting on the bus listening to this thinking i'm going into work to basically subsidize these scroungers.

Now, that's interesting. Why would her mother throw them out? Either something she couldn't stand was happening in her home or its a ploy to game the system.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-06-2019 9:34am

creeper1 wrote: »

The fact that children are involved makes all the difference. With children involved, and this is also the case with Margaret Cash, solutions may be found and sympathy given for their plight.

Which leads to more kids, which leads to more people like this, etc etc etc...

jo2509 · 27-06-2019 10:03am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Now, that's interesting. Why would her mother throw them out? Either something she couldn't stand was happening in her home or its a ploy to game the system.

Exactly. My parents would move heaven and earth to help me if i found myself in that situation.
But i guess 'pregnant mother of two living in mother's boxroom' doesn't have the same ring to it as 'pregnant mother of two forced to squat in vacant council house'.

whisky_galore · 27-06-2019 10:14am

It's people like this who add fuel to the notion that the housing crisis is fake news and a disservice to working people who are forced to put up and shut up. It's an obvious attempt to curry favour using kids as leverage.

Can't they interview genuine people who can't find a house of their own and not chancers? You know the working class that actually work and don't have clown car vaginas? Oh yeah because it doesn't make for exciting, or should I say divisive, tv or radio.

Lollipops23 · 27-06-2019 10:39am

jo2509 wrote: »

Exactly. My parents would move heaven and earth to help me if i found myself in that situation.
But i guess 'pregnant mother of two living in mother's boxroom' doesn't have the same ring to it as 'pregnant mother of two forced to squat in vacant council house'.

Maybe the mother got sick of all their riding under her roof?

Dawido · 27-06-2019 10:42am

lmao, **** this life if they get a free house without working, meanwhile I am forced to pay most of my paycheck for rent... Need to find myself a girl and do the same I guess!

jo2509 · 27-06-2019 10:53am

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Maybe the mother got sick of all their riding under her roof?

LOL that too :P

gibgodsman · 27-06-2019 10:54am

<SNIP>

Unproven information. Please stick to what is publicly available.

dudara

BarryD2 · 27-06-2019 11:32am

gibgodsman wrote: »

Unproven information. Please stick to what is publicly available.

dudara

That's fairly damning, if true.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-06-2019 11:45am

gibgodsman wrote: »

Unproven information. Please stick to what is publicly available.

dudara

I think deep down, we knew that.

gibgodsman · 27-06-2019 11:53am

BarryD2 wrote: »

That's fairly damning, if true.

He goes by the name of <SNIP>, ask anyone around the Blanchardstown Area, where he original came from, about that name and they will be able to tell you a story

ChikiChiki · 27-06-2019 12:00pm

I'd love a bit of speaking time in the Dail right now to call out this bull****. I would lump them in with the likes of Maria Bailey and Alan Farrell who think they are a few rungs above in class. They are all the same type of people. Absolute leeches on Irish society, hands in dipped in the hardworking taxpayers pockets.

It annoys me so much. The age of 30-35 is a critical juncture for most people. Many have completed university, began there careers and yet find themselves either renting at extornionate rates or stuck living at home with mammy as life passes them by. For many the boat will sail quickly and they will be stuck at home forever unable to get a mortgage or have that family they yearn for.

Its ****ing depressing.

Mrsmum · 27-06-2019 12:46pm

They have us over a barrel because of the children. Imo this business whereby we enable them to stay dependant and they have as good a life as many by staying dependant can't be fixed without totally hardening of hearts and minds over the issue of homeless children. But you can't really have children on the streets, can you.

gibgodsman · 27-06-2019 12:48pm

<SNIP>
Discussing mod action in thread is not allowed. Please contact the mod directly if you wish to discuss further.

dudara

jo2509 · 27-06-2019 1:02pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

They have us over a barrel because of the children. Imo this business whereby we enable them to stay dependant and they have as good a life as many by staying dependant can't be fixed without totally hardening of hearts and minds over the issue of homeless children. But you can't really have children on the streets, can you.

Exactly. This girl is what 21? And has been on the housing list for 3 years. So presumably she never had any intention of going out and doing a day's work.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-06-2019 1:14pm

jo2509 wrote: »

Exactly. This girl is what 21? And has been on the housing list for 3 years. So presumably she never had any intention of going out and doing a day's work.

It will have been part of her families teachings. She won't be the first generation to take advantage.

2Mad2BeMad · 27-06-2019 1:19pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I read something interesting yesterday about a girl from a very disadvantaged area who recently graduated from TCD; she was a bright kid (clearly) who, when she sat down with her career guidance counselor, was advised to apply for a beauty or massage course in the local PLC college. This is before she'd sat her LC and when she'd expressed an interest in a university education.

What hope do these kids have if *this* is what they're being told to aim for? Surely the only way out of this vicious cycle is to tell these kids that they can achieve so much more if they set themselves to it. This disdain for education and bettering oneself has to stop, or we'll have an entire class of layabout scummers with zero respect for themselves or anyone else.

When I was in 3rd year in school which was about 10years ago now. The guidance counselor asked me what I was interested in.
I wanted to be a solicitor (at the time). Straight away she said I wasn't doing enough higher level subjects and I'd have to pick something else.
I mean the thing I wanted to be when I grew up was shot down straight away and tough **** you gotta do something else.
Rather then help me in finding a way to become one or study harder she just erased it from my future.

I'm sorta thankful for it now as I have no interest in it anymore I'm studying computers but I wonder would my life be much different if she didn't shatter my dream job at the time.

She still works in the school....

27-06-2019 1:32pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Maybe the mother got sick of all their riding under her roof?

Wash your mouth out. They were all immaculate conceptions.

sleepy_storm · 27-06-2019 11:56pm

gctest50 wrote: »

instead of a pair of methadone junkies who just might make it but in reality will probably wreck the place:

Methadone Junkies? PLEASE do some basic research on addiction.

Atlantic Dawn · 28-06-2019 12:04am

sleepy_storm wrote: »

Methadone Junkies? PLEASE do some basic research on addiction.

If someone is being 'treated' with Methadone for over 3 years they need to be put on an uninhabitated island off our shores for 6 months with nothing but beans and water to treat them, otherwise it's a bloody joke use of resources.

sleepy_storm · 28-06-2019 12:32am

retalivity wrote: »

Cyra and levi.

They should be struck of the list for that travesty alone.

Cyra is a girl's name of Persian origin meaning "sun or throne, or lord".

Levi is a boy's name, from the Biblical Hebrew for "joined in harmony."

Beautiful names.

gctest50 · 28-06-2019 12:39am

sleepy_storm wrote: »

Methadone Junkies? PLEASE do some basic research on addiction.

Junkies that are now on methadone, that better ?

You should have copy/pasted in how much that costs:

https://www.herald.ie/news/3300-hero...-31068636.html

Sources estimate that running the methadone programme for the last 20 years could cost up to €200 million

Currently it is running at almost €20m a year

creeper1 · 28-06-2019 12:49am

Whether we like it or not these people are the future of Ireland. I am 41 and don't have any kids. I remember a thread were people were discussing parenthood and the theme was "no way, never, why would you do that?"

These people simply have to discover or be made to discover a work ethic. There needs to be some gap and I mean a real meaningful gap between benefits and working a minimum wage job.

It should never be worth someone's while to pump out babys and expect the rest of society to pick up the tab for that.

Is this a modern phenomenon by the way? The Irish would all emigrate in the 1980s. Was there a nice and handsome payout for those on the dole in the 1980s?

Or has there been some fundamental shift in Irish culture?

Steve · 28-06-2019 1:43am

This sums it up pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E

Family forced to squat in house....

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