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Drew Harris armoured jeep flung into the air at Garda HQ

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  • #392
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    Stopped or almost stopped .

    According to someone else earlier in the thread the vehicle was left high in the air on the billiard.


  • #393
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,868 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Remind me wrote: »
    And?

    The lead car was useless in that situation. If the officers in the Harris car were unarmed, he was essentially unprotected in a stationary car.


  • #394
    Tomas81
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭Tomas81


    Remind me wrote: »
    Christ.

    He is in 1 vehicle, there is a vehicle in front and behind with armed officers. He is in a bullet proof vehicle. Surely you can see where the protection is?

    Ok this post clears it up. You don't know what your talking about. There was a car in front and behind him, he was led in from the M1 by AGS while in a PSNI vehicle no car behind. Stop misleading people.


  • #395
    canonball5
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭canonball5


    What MPG was he getting out of that 4X4? Not a single thought for the poor environment.


  • #396
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The lead car was useless in that situation. If the officers in the Harris car were unarmed, he was essentially unprotected in a stationary car.

    Ah here....

    If it was a situation in town where the vehicle was ‘taken out’ the AGS in the vehicle in front and behind, within metres of him would be a lot more beneficial than a driver possibly trapped in the car driving.


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  • #397
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,868 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Remind me wrote: »
    And?

    The Gardai would have been within metres of it and if it was driving down a busy road they would have been at the scene.

    My rudimentary physics education tells me that is BS.

    Two speeding cars, one gets stopped suddenly - the other one is a good distance away almost instantly.


  • #398
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    Tomas81 wrote: »
    Ok this post clears it up. You don't know what your talking about. There was a car in front and behind him, he was led in from the M1 by AGS while in a PSNI vehicle no car behind. Stop misleading people.

    I have said if.....and if it was 1 vehicle no problem but still does not take away from the simple point that there is no evidence that the PSNI were armed and if they were armed I am sure they would have necessary clearance.

    If they did not it is a massive F up as I have said.


  • #399
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Remind me wrote: »
    Why would they release it?

    It has been said correct procedures were followed.

    I don’t know if they were armed or unarmed, I’m just explaining what normally happens.

    If it is the case that they were armed, without permission it is a massive boo boo and should rightly be followed up and acted on.

    Oh I'm not expecting them to release the finer details of the security arrangements, merely questioning why, if the PSNI/Gardai have reciprocal legal agreements to carry arms in each others territories, the justice minister isn't confirming so.


  • #400
    minikin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭minikin


    Remind me wrote: »
    He needs someone to drive the car, unless PSNI are in for google self drive vehicles

    He can’t drive???
    He really is unsuitable for the role!
    Can he even pronounce ‘fehickal’ correctly? :)


  • #401
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Harris would have had his own arms and the protection of those in the garda escort vehicle. That should have been enough. No proof the psni were armed,like the us bodyguards were for the us President. Who would want to attack a Garda anyway.
    Any truth in the rumour the vehicle was stopped at the checkpoint when the Garda activated the button for the bollard, and she did not know the bollard was under the jeep Instead of in front of it?

    Earlier in the thread you were questioning why the car didn't stop at the checkpoint?

    Rumors from where?


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  • #402
    Remind me
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    minikin wrote: »
    He can’t drive???
    He really is unsuitable for the role!
    Can he even pronounce ‘fehickal’ correctly? :)

    Who is the last commissioner to drive their own car when in office?


  • #403
    minikin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭minikin


    Remind me wrote: »
    Who is the last commissioner to drive their own car when in office?

    I have no problem with him having a Garda driver and armed Gardaí protecting him in an official Garda vehicle... because they’re accountable to the state.

    Who is the last commissioner to require such a level of protection during peacetime?
    Maybe not the smartest of appointments... when resources are tight.


  • #404
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    minikin wrote: »
    I have no problem with him having a Garda driver and armed Gardaí protecting him in an official Garda vehicle... because they’re accountable to the state.

    Who is the last commissioner to require such a level of protection during peacetime?
    Maybe not the smartest of appointments... when resources are tight.

    Wouldn’t disagree with you on the resources, a lot of hours spent looking after him.


  • #405
    minikin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭minikin


    Remind me wrote: »
    Wouldn’t disagree with you on the resources, a lot of hours spent looking after him.

    Just seems like there’s laws being bent to accomodate the situation... I would have concerns about intelligence security... it’s not like his former allegiances dissolved when he was handed the keys to the kingdom. Mad situation.


  • #406
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    minikin wrote: »
    He can’t drive???
    He really is unsuitable for the role!
    Can he even pronounce ‘fehickal’ correctly? :)
    He asked for his own kyarr, but nobody gets anything in AGS unless they use the correct protocol and terminology.


  • #407
    minikin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭minikin


    recedite wrote: »
    He asked for his own kyarr, but nobody gets anything in AGS unless they use the correct protocol and terminology.

    They’re peeling the decals off an old Sierra as we speak.


  • #408
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,087 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Some PSNI are allowed to carry guns in the ROI.

    Some AGS are allowed to carry guns in NI.

    It has been this way for a few years now.


  • #409
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/firearms-carried-by-psni-in-republic-for-last-six-years-1.3853786

    Well, it appears there is some sort of reciprocal agreement (since 2013) between AGS and PSNI and their respective Justice systems. Satisfied enough with that, given that there appears to be ministerial approval. They took their time making the statement though, and the fact that it was a surprise to former senior Gardai and a former Justice Minister didn't look good and the story was growing legs. Not that it sits well with me that the PSNI (or any other countries agencies) are carrying weapons in the state routinely.

    Cleared-up somewhat, and I'm glad people are alert to these things. The last thing we need after the last few duff Commissioners is one that flouts procedure (not that he did in this case), and a public that shrugs their shoulders when the force acts ultra-vires.


  • #410
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Remind me wrote: »
    Who is the last commissioner to drive their own car when in office?

    Martin Callinan, remember the Newlands cross meeting with McGuinness?


  • #411
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Martin Callinan, remember the Newlands cross meeting with McGuinness?

    Haha I think we all know he didn’t want many knowing about that one!


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  • #412
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    He also said that every time he travelled to Northern Ireland his Garda driver would have to leave his firearm in a local station before they crossed over the Border. After they crossed, the PSNI would “insist every time” that he transfer to their vehicle for the onward journey.
    In fairness that procedure would make it easy if anyone did take a notion to assassinate him.
    Potential shooter would know where the fehickal is going to stop and that he is then going to step out of it, and then get into the PSNI kyarr.


  • #413
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Remind me wrote: »
    I have said if.....and if it was 1 vehicle no problem but still does not take away from the simple point that there is no evidence that the PSNI were armed and if they were armed I am sure they would have necessary clearance.

    If they did not it is a massive F up as I have said.

    Do you seriously think that he would have 2 Garda cars escorting him from the border while he is in a psni vehicle?
    The psni are an armed force. They carry weapons.
    & who was escorting them back to the border? Another armed unit? Seems like a lot of resources for one man


  • #414
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yurt! wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/firearms-carried-by-psni-in-republic-for-last-six-years-1.3853786

    Well, it appears there is some sort of reciprocal agreement (since 2013) between AGS and PSNI and their respective Justice systems. Satisfied enough with that, given that there appears to be ministerial approval. They took their time making the statement though, and the fact that it was a surprise to former senior Gardai and a former Justice Minister didn't look good and the story was growing legs. Not that it sits well with me that the PSNI (or any other countries agencies) are carrying weapons in the state routinely.

    Cleared-up somewhat, and I'm glad people are alert to these things. The last thing we need after the last few duff Commissioners is one that flouts procedure (not that he did in this case), and a public that shrugs their shoulders when the force acts ultra-vires.

    Spin.
    Before 2013, neither could carry weapons in the other jurisdiction at all. Now they can, with prior approval just like with any other country or police force.
    Also, any armed force here is accompanied by armed Gardai, who accompanied them back to the border?
    Commissioner appear to be more of the same, different rules apply to him.


  • #415
    Feisar
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    recedite wrote: »
    In fairness that procedure would make it easy if anyone did take a notion to assassinate him.
    Potential shooter would know where the fehickal is going to stop and that he is then going to step out of it, and then get into the PSNI kyarr.

    There is more than one border crossing, I'm sure they mix it up. Well I would anyway and I'm only joe civilian who read a few to many Tom Clancy novels.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #416
    Remind me
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Do you seriously think that he would have 2 Garda cars escorting him from the border while he is in a psni vehicle?
    The psni are an armed force. They carry weapons.
    & who was escorting them back to the border? Another armed unit? Seems like a lot of resources for one man

    Yeah it is a lot of resources as has been pointed out.


  • #417
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?


  • #418
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?
    If it was a genuine terrorist attack I dont think the hand in the air would suffice. You would be the first to criticise the Garda for not using the blocking equipment


  • #419
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,868 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

    It could have been stopped at the border - by a simple phone call by people who are SUPPOSED to be professionals.


  • #420
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

    :pac::pac::confused:


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  • #421
    Call me Al
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

    The PSNI hopefully.


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