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Drew Harris armoured jeep flung into the air at Garda HQ

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  • #332
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Someone else remarked he nearly got killed by one of his own employees. Suppose it was a petrol vehicle and the vertical ram had punctured the petrol tank and exploded?

    Imagine if a PSNI weapon had got discharged and killed the BanGarda or the Commissioner?

    All avoidable if the person who changed the plans had made sure that everyone was in the loop like the professional he is supposed to be.
    Is he going to make a habit of popping up unexpectedly for instance?

    The buck stops at the top here.


  • #333
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,051 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Imagine if a PSNI weapon had got discharged and killed the BanGarda or the Commissioner?

    All avoidable if the person who changed the plans had made sure that everyone was in the loop like the professional he is supposed to be.
    Is he going to make a habit of popping up unexpectedly for instance?

    The buck stops at the top here.

    Wouldn't say much for the bulletproofness of the yoke if the Garda was shot would it.


  • #334
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    Wouldn't say much for the bulletproofness of the yoke if the Garda was shot would it.

    Stunned and dazed officer exiting a vehicle...no telling what might happen. If they weren't professional enough to keep all the security team in the loop etc etc.


  • #335
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Imagine if a PSNI weapon had got discharged and killed the BanGarda or the Commissioner?

    No such thing as a BanGarda nowadays, afaik.

    Police firearms usually have safety catches. Nevertheless they must have got some shock at the very least for the vertical bollard to fling a 2 tonne vehicle up in the air. Suppose the fuel tank exploded?


  • #336
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Stunned and dazed officer exiting a vehicle...no telling what might happen. If they weren't professional enough to keep all the security team in the loop etc etc.

    It would be gas if she got thick with them for bombing in the gate. "Your not in mondello now, lads.":pac::pac:


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  • #337
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    pablo128 wrote: »
    It would be gas if she got thick with them for bombing in the gate. "Your not in mondello now, lads.":pac::pac:

    They could'nt have been speeding through the checkpoint if they got caught on top of the bollard. Quote:
    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I say it was pretty comical especially as the jeep was stuck up in the air with the bollard underneath it. .


  • #338
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Tom Conlan said the following.
    It would certainly appear that if the PSNI officers in the vehicle carrying Harris were carrying weapons, the Minister did not give any authorisation for them to do so.

    And the following was noted.
    To counter this, it has been suggested that other foreign security forces – such as the US Secret Service – have been allowed to use firearms in the Republic of Ireland in recent years.

    Then
    However, such a move would require authorisation from the Minister for Justice, who can give permission to visiting officers to carry weapons on an exceptional basis.

    In a statement this morning, Charlie Flanagan offered his support to both police forces while also appearing himself to distance himself from the incident.

    And I'm sure janfeb would agree with this....
    “If you put gardai in Northern Ireland, unionists would go bananas – and rightly so. It would undermine their territorial integrity and sovereignty.”


  • #339
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,051 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    pablo128 wrote: »
    It would be gas if she got thick with them for bombing in the gate. "Your not in mondello now, lads.":pac::pac:

    Your not in Newry now lads :P
    I'll teach yez :pac::pac:

    Thank god the tank didn't explode !!:D


  • #340
    The Satanist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭The Satanist


    Did anyone at least check the vehicle for a tax disc?


  • #341
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,832 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    janfebmar wrote: »
    No such thing as a BanGarda nowadays, afaik.

    Police firearms usually have safety catches. Nevertheless they must have got some shock at the very least for the vertical bollard to fling a 2 tonne vehicle up in the air. Suppose the fuel tank exploded?

    It was an armoured vehicle. Presumably that means it is bullet proof and bomb proof, especially the fuel tank


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  • #342
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,051 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    It was an armoured vehicle. Presumably that means it is bullet proof and bomb proof, especially the fuel tank

    Shhh!


  • #343
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    No such thing as a BanGarda nowadays, afaik.

    Police firearms usually have safety catches. Nevertheless they must have got some shock at the very least for the vertical bollard to fling a 2 tonne vehicle up in the air. Suppose the fuel tank exploded?

    Would you trust them to have their safety catches on if they didn't have the sense to inform the entire security team that their plans had changed?

    You are correct, anything could have happened here and the person who followed protocol will not be the one to blame.


  • #344
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    janfebmar wrote: »
    No such thing as a BanGarda nowadays, afaik.

    Police firearms usually have safety catches. Nevertheless they must have got some shock at the very least for the vertical bollard to fling a 2 tonne vehicle up in the air. Suppose the fuel tank exploded?

    You do know that fuel tanks only explode in the movies, right?


  • #345
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Tom Conlan said the following.



    And the following was noted.



    Was at a wedding of a US marine to an Irish lass and his colour party had to get clearance to bring their ceremonial swords. There was even a Special Branch guy posted at the door until they were taken back to safety in Limerick Garda Station. I was amazed how rigorous they were.


  • #346
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    And I'm sure janfeb would agree with this...Quote:
    “If you put gardai in Northern Ireland, unionists would go bananas – and rightly so. It would undermine their territorial integrity and sovereignty.”.

    No, I do not think unionists would go bananas about that, because it is not unknown for bodyguards of visiting vips to be armed. Armed american bodyguards are not unknown in either jurisdiction, for example. And Quote : " SDU bodyguards accompany the President of Ireland, Michael D. Higgins, on official visits in the Republic of Ireland and internationally, and the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, ... All officers within the unit carry firearms"


  • #347
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    No, I do not think unionists would go bananas about that, because it is not unknown for bodyguards of visiting vips to be armed. Quote : " SDU bodyguards accompany the President of Ireland, Michael D. Higgins, on official visits in the Republic of Ireland and internationally, and the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, ... All officers within the unit carry firearms"

    And if they did it without 'authorisation', and got arrested, whose fault would that be? The PSNI presumably?


  • #348
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    At least he didn't rock up to HQ in a clapped out van with no registration plates and accompanied by lads in balaclavas


  • #349
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    pablo128 wrote: »
    You do know that fuel tanks only explode in the movies, right?
    Not just in the movies. I know of at least 2 cars in real life which accidentally went on fire. Fuel, sparks, heat...very flamable.

    Suppose it was a petrol vehicle and the vertical ram had punctured the petrol tank - quite possible when the force was enough to fling the 2 tonne vehicle in to the air...


  • #350
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    No, I do not think unionists would go bananas about that, because it is not unknown for bodyguards of visiting vips to be armed. Armed american bodyguards are not unknown in either jurisdiction, for example. And Quote : " SDU bodyguards accompany the President of Ireland, Michael D. Higgins, on official visits in the Republic of Ireland and internationally, and the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, ... All officers within the unit carry firearms"

    Yeah - all with pre-authorisation.

    Charlie Flannigan doesn't appear to have authorised the PSNI here though.


  • #351
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Charlie Flannigan doesn't appear to have authorised the PSNI here though.
    If they were not armed would Charlie Flannigan needed to have authorised the PSNI though? Any proof the PSNI were armed when they were here?

    I still think the Gardai should have been the ones escorting him back from the border though.


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  • #352
    adam88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭adam88


    Tomas81 wrote: »
    He should be residing within his own state of responsibility. Sitting in a nice big house In Holywood isn't good enough not even In the jurisdiction.

    Where does he pay his taxes. He’s getting done bang for his buck with the current exchange rates


  • #353
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,419 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    There was call for a full investigation when a PSNI vehicle took a wrong turn at a roundabout in strabane and ended up in lifford (literally over a bridge).

    How could they think it's acceptable to drive towards Garda HQ without full clearance. My God this guy makes the worst choices. It could have easily been a rogue policeman trying to cause mayhem. Obvious calls for a new commissioner will be forthcoming. That's premature but he needs to explain fully why he chose to continue in a psni van and not transfer to Garda car. Is this an indictment of him or a poor decision?

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/international-incident-as-psni-land-rover-ends-up-in-donegal-30003529.html


  • #354
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,400 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    If only Jeremy beadle was around today and got that footage.


  • #355
    adam88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭adam88


    I say the reality is that this has happened more than once but only because a new one was at the gate it’s all come to light.

    Maybe the usual guard knew the carry on and always left the boys in but this guard didn’t know and saw this jeep drive towards her and was like Wtf.

    Don’t think PSNI should be left into the country, don’t think that level of cost should be afforded to him either. Would a commissioner get a drive up and down from west cork everyday if he or she lived there


  • #356
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,419 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    If only Jeremy beadle was around today and got that footage.

    Jeremy Beadles footage of a ufo crashing and an alien emerging would seem more believable than a Garda commissioner deciding not to change cars, forget to inform the gardai and come at the entrance of Garda HQ at speed and not expect what happened.


  • #357
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    If they were not armed would Charlie Flannigan needed to have authorised the PSNI though? Any proof the PSNI were armed when they were here?

    Is anyone actually naive enough to think that when the commissioner is being transported through the border area by a protection unit, that they are unarmed?

    Cmon now.......
    I still think the Gardai should have been the ones escorting him back from the border though.

    Well you're not alone there, and it makes you wonder has this kind of thing been happening on a regular basis, or are we to believe that this was the one and only time it happened, and that the one and only time it happened, he was unlucky enough for the series of unfortunate events to unfold, that the public only heard about due to the story 'being leaked".


  • #358
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If, if the PSNI were indeed escorted by an ERU jeep to Dublin, the ERU then continued to protect the commissioner.
    So how would they get back to Northern Ireland? Driving alone, armed, in the Republic? Why would anyone think that is OK!


  • #359
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Any proof the PSNI were armed when they were here?
    .

    The PSNI are an armed force. They are armed, particularly when they are on armed protection duty!


  • #360
    McDermotX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Fortunately, we'll be getting that border back up soon.

    That'll put a stop to his shenanigans.


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  • #361
    Remind me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    bubblypop wrote: »
    The PSNI are an armed force. They are armed, particularly when they are on armed protection duty!

    If the ERU are top and tailing the vehicle the PSNI officers might not be armed because ERU would be providing the protection.

    A lot of what Tom Conlan said in that piece is inaccurate.


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