Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

20-11-2020 1:34pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

My first question is still pertinent.

Does he not think his own community has dragged itself?

I dunno.. but I'd agree with the poster that both Feminists and SJWs latched on to Gay community issues at different stages, whenever it was useful for them, and often, ignoring other problems. At the same time, the rise of criticism and attacks on what it means to be a man in society, and the dangers/risks/etc of being male (for other people) (which affects Gay people too), which has come from both Feminists and SJW.

But nope, I wouldn't blame women, per se. Both modern feminism and SJW movements are runaway trains hardly representative of the majority of any gender.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 1:37pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

Why blame the gay community ???

Do you even have a point ??

The gay community have always been the one to push the envelope on every issue.

From pro nouns ..to non binary gender ..to giving out when drs only talk about women going to gynos ...

Count N nord ..said

this

Some of us need to stand with the normal people and put a stop to Gays being dragged through the s h I t by social justice warriors and femminists.

We're sick of it, the same as minorities in America being told that the Democrats are all for minorities , they are not they're similar to those woke Marxist professor's here who use people to push their agenda's.

I'm sorry for going off topic, but this woke liberal s h I t is a cancer and it's fading away thankfully.

He is a member of the gay community.

He has stated and in a very coherent way that this is not good for the gay community. Its not about real activism. Its something else.

Like activists trying to make their own careers etc. Youtube channels etc.

Well MY point is.

All of these positions ....actually come from the gay community themselves.

Most of the activists do too. Or the LGBT community.

Does he feel the LGBT community has dragged itself? As he put it?

Does he feel they have gone to far?

Because they are who swjs ...take their cue from. I mean they just jump on bandwagons.

Gervais08 · 20-11-2020 1:41pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The gay community have always been the one to push the envelope on every issue.

From pro nouns ..to non binary gender ..to giving out when drs only talk about women going to gynos ...

Count N nord ..said

this

He is a member of the gay community.

He has stated and in a very coherent way that this is not good for the gay community. Its not about real activism. Its something else.

Like activists trying to make their own careers etc. Youtube channels etc.

Well MY point is.

All of these positions ....actually come from the gay community themselves.

Most of the activists do too. Or the LGBT community.

Does he feel the LGBT community has dragged itself? As he put it?

Does he feel they have gone to far?

Because they are who swjs ...take their cue from. I mean they just jump on bandwagons.

The T part are dragging the LGB part certainly.

20-11-2020 1:43pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

The T part are dragging the LGB part certainly.

As are all the activists and crusaders who aren't gay but 'represent' them, knowing what gay people truly feel on all issues..

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 1:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno.. but I'd agree with the poster that both Feminists and SJWs latched on to Gay community issues at different stages, whenever it was useful for them, and often, ignoring other problems.

I agree.

I see it with transwomen in sports and that idea. All gun ho ....but no actual plan to do it in a way that over comes the inevitable problems that will arise. And there is no reason to say it couldn't happen.

But to suggest there MIGHT be problems and that some transwomen might have an unfair advantage etc. Is ...thrown out. So the question of ...how actually do we OVER COME those issues never gets addressed.

I mean could we give cis women head starts ? Do we do it like in boxing ...measure them up by height ? Give a handicap etc?

But this is seen by some .(.and some of these people who have said this to be have BEEN Trans themselves ..or gay) as transphobia.

I see people who say ..Transwomen belong in female sport. Full stop. Issue over. You accept they are physically in the same boat as cis women.

In reality they don't care about doing the work to make it happen. They don't want to admit the situation is complex.

There is no grey area ..its black or white.

But its not SJWS ..ALONE.

There are gay activists themselves ....who make a career for themselves from this ..and don't solve issues.

Sadly activism doesn't do much of the ground work .

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 1:47pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

The T part are dragging the LGB part certainly.

I see.

Well I would like to say. I know a lovely T lady who is not overly sensitive. And quite sensible. She is now married to my ex bf.

Yes ..i do see straight people ...jump on the ' i am not binary' wagon.

Not that i am not suggesting YOU CANNOT be non binary. You can.

Its just a lot of people who say they are now....won't be in 15 yrs time imo.

Maybe i am closed minded but i wait with an open mind.

I can understand what you mean though.

I am afraid i don't have a solution.

Other than to keep saying ...overcome the real issues ...and be nice.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 1:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

As are all the activists and crusaders who aren't gay but 'represent' them, knowing what gay people truly feel on all issues..

True. I have probably been guilty.

And of course ..not all gay people think or feel alike.

And maybe some i would not want to even represent.

I am more wary of trying to find my own voice for myself though. And not to speak for others.

Gervais08 · 20-11-2020 1:54pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I see.

Well I would like to say. I know a lovely T lady who is not overly sensitive. And quite sensible. She is now married to my ex bf.

Yes ..i do see straight people ...jump on the ' i am not binary' wagon.

Not that i am not suggesting YOU CANNOT be non binary. You can.

Its just a lot of people who say they are now....won't be in 15 yrs time imo.

Maybe i am closed minded but i wait with an open mind.

I can understand what you mean though.

I am afraid i don't have a solution.

Other than to keep saying ...overcome the real issues ...and be nice.

Other than I don’t buy the non binary thing - pure attention seeking - I think we’re are largely in agreement here.

Peter Tatchell for example does a lot of damage to the gay community, whereas my friends in said community said so much was achieved by Stephen Fry’s documentary in countries where it is illegal to be gay. He wouldn’t say he’s an activist but achieved so much.

I campaigned for marriage equality and the difference between gay rights and trans rights seem to be the finer just want to live equal and valid lives with those they love and that’s it - and as they should be allowed to.

Trabs rights seem to be changing biology, making people accept the impossible, setting back women’s sex based rights etc etc .

20-11-2020 1:56pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I agree.

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Ahh... well.. here's the thing. I'm Bisexual, and due to that orientation, I've always been on the outskirts of the Gay community. It's a common perception with gay people that they don't fully understand, trust or appreciate Bisexuals.. and that's fine. It's just the way things are with many people. Trans... are something else entirely. They shouldn't even be included under the same category as GLB, because it's far more than orientation, and they themselves can't seem to agree what/who is included.

In any case, the gay community doesn't speak for me, and I've found that many gay friends/acquaintances would agree with me. Bunch of Divas and troublemakers.. fighting a cause they (or rather those who came before) already won. Probably close to the same way many women cringe when they hear modern feminists...

Biker79 · 20-11-2020 1:59pm

It is also animal rights and environmental activists pushing the Woke agenda ....perhaps much more than some within the LGBT community, as they have a more established history of protest.

I've always suspected there is a broader agenda with trans rights activism though, an agenda which appears to be preparing the world for transhumanism.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 2:00pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

Other than I don’t buy the non binary thing - pure attention seeking - I think we’re are largely in agreement here.

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For a lot of people who would be acquaintances of mine. Yes.

Also they have some personal issues.

I get what you are thinking.

I just think ..who am i to make this rule ..

Peter Tatchell for example does a lot of damage to the gay community, whereas my friends in said community said so much was achieved by Stephen Fry’s documentary in countries where it is illegal to be gay. He wouldn’t say he’s an activist but achieved so much.

I campaigned for marriage equality and the difference between gay rights and trans rights seem to be the finer just want to live equal and valid lives with those they love and that’s it - and as they should be allowed to.

Trabs rights seem to be changing biology, making people accept the impossible, setting back women’s sex based rights etc etc

IMO what has happened with trans rights is this.

Because the stigma of being known as a T person is so big. Only the furthest out there will become activists. People on the fringe anyway.

I get the impression most T people who are cautious of being private ..are people who just want to live equally. But because they wish to be very private ...we don't hear from them.

I could be wrong.

Activism has become like showbiz for some.

CountNjord · 20-11-2020 2:05pm

In a nutshell gays and lesbian's who I hang out with are not having to do with the SJW or woke Shoite.

They do not represent us nor do they do us any favours.
All they do is try to guilt shame younger members of the gay community to stir up s h i t and feel bad about themselves.

While back in the olden days we were quite able for the slagging, banter, TV satire etc

The SJWs and woke liberal lefty types are very sad ugly people, they're not creative, talented or sane.

All you have to do is look at them, they're the most disgusting unattractive looking people I've ever seen.

They like to pull down men and women who are better than them..

Come on like they are a total mess and they are misfits.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 2:07pm

CountNjord wrote: »

All you have to do is look at them, they're the most disgusting unattractive looking people I've ever seen.

That's a bit a mean.

I mean its not like they can help it.

They mean well.

They will prob grow out of it a bit ....and be wiser.

And in fairness AOC looks cracker!

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 2:10pm

TBH both extremes ....neither of them look great.

They both go to close to the sun!

20-11-2020 2:36pm

Biker79 wrote: »

It is also animal rights and environmental activists pushing the Woke agenda ....perhaps much more than some within the LGBT community, as they have a more established history of protest.

I've always suspected there is a broader agenda with trans rights activism though, an agenda which appears to be preparing the world for transhumanism.

TBH I wouldn't put it past the Pharma companies, and medical community, as a money making enterprise, with the Psychologists jumping in for good measure. It's acquired too much support and resources in such a short time...

CountNjord · 20-11-2020 2:49pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That's a bit a mean.

I mean its not like they can help it.

They mean well.

They will prob grow out of it a bit ....and be wiser.

And in fairness AOC looks cracker!

okay I'll rephrase that, they're just not the most interesting or pleasant if people.

I know you're probably right is saying they mean well, but theyre well mean too.

I'd say they'll dissapear soon enough, they're difficult to work with, can't take direction and are not an asset to any company organisation or institution.

They're the dregs of society, usually middle class dorky types who's parents gave them no love or direction.

I myself came from old money and we mixed Very well with the working class kid's teen-agers and college students..

The middle class wanted to be us and they didn't associate with the working class, we wanted nothing to do with the middle classes and had more in common with people who lived in terraced houses etc

The irony of growing up in the 80's and 90's and these middle class types were always moaning and groaning in school feeling victimisation.

I suppose if they are rejected by the old money and the working class and upper class managed to get along.
They probably felt like outcasts

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 2:55pm

CountNjord wrote: »

okay I'll rephrase that, they're just not the most interesting or pleasant if people.

I know you're probably right is saying they mean well, but theyre well mean too.

I'd say they'll dissapear soon enough, they're difficult to work with, can't take direction and are not an asset to any company organisation or institution.

They're the dregs of society, usually middle class dorky types who's parents gave them no love or direction.

I myself came from old money and we mixed Very well with the working class kid's teen-agers and college students..

The middle class wanted to be us and they didn't associate with the working class, we wanted nothing to do with the middle classes and had more in common with people who lived in terraced houses etc

The irony of growing up in the 80's and 90's and these middle class types were always moaning and groaning in school feeling victimisation.

I suppose if they are rejected by the old money and the working class and upper class managed to get along.
They probably felt like outcasts

This is kind of funny.......

Its is totally unrelated ...my dad is working class ..very very working class

I am middling class! OH SO VERY MIDDLE CLASS ..You would hate it. (oh lets just pretend i am working class too!)

But this rich guy .....made money but also from money ....loved my dad ...wanted him to come to this party ...

My dad can't stand him!

Biker79 · 20-11-2020 3:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

TBH I wouldn't put it past the Pharma companies, and medical community, as a money making enterprise, with the Psychologists jumping in for good measure. It's acquired too much support and resources in such a short time...

Totally.

Makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

20-11-2020 3:02pm

CountNjord wrote: »

The irony of growing up in the 80's and 90's and these middle class types were always moaning and groaning in school feeling victimisation.

I suppose if they are rejected by the old money and the working class and upper class managed to get along.
They probably felt like outcasts

People here have some really odd perceptions of what "class" consists of in Ireland. The vast majority of people in Ireland from the last 40-50 years would be considered to be Middle class, in terms of educational standards and income potential, not to mention social mobility. Most people who talk about being working class, wouldn't have been considered such, 50 years ago... We've had too much of a shift in economics and social mobility since Ireland stopped being a poor country.

For most middle class, there's little difference between them and working class... except at the extreme ends.. the rich/poor.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 3:02pm

Biker79 wrote: »

Totally.

Makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

Can you explain?

How would they monetize it?

ILoveYourVibes · 20-11-2020 3:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

People here have some really odd perceptions of what "class" consists of in Ireland. The vast majority of people in Ireland from the last 40-50 years would be considered to be Middle class, in terms of educational standards and income potential, not to mention social mobility. Most people who talk about being working class, wouldn't have been considered such, 50 years ago... We've had too much of a shift in economics and social mobility since Ireland stopped being a poor country.

For most middle class, there's little difference between them and working class... except at the extreme ends.. the rich/poor.

I disagree.

My dad would DEFINITELY have been considered working class 50 yrs ago.

I would not be considered that now. Prob just boring middle class.

I don't know how you think the vast majority of people in Ireland are middle class.

I am not saying class defines you etc. It doesn't.

But its a thing.

Maybe its just you dont know any other people outside of that class?

For example ..all of my cousins bar 2 ...would still be working class. That is 10 other cousins

I have dear friends who would call themselves working class ..and would be ..and middle class friends.

No wealthy or upper class friends tho. I must be Riff Raff :P

20-11-2020 3:25pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I don't know how you think the vast majority of people in Ireland are middle class.

Because the economy and social strata has changed so much. We've moved away from a predominately agrarian society, with light manufacturing... to a services and technology based economy with light infrastructure.

There isn't a particular underclass anymore, because the requirements to gain education have dropped considerably, and people (except for certain small groups) aren't limited to staying where they are. We have laws against discrimination and many cases of grants/funds available to help people to gain a leg up.

Even when we consider the range of traditional working class roles, many of the people doing such roles will now be educated at university level or specialized school systems. I said this in another thread, but three of the "construction workers" who worked on building my sisters house, have multiple degrees with associated certs and diplomas, and actually make more money, than we do. We, being middle class, and they, apparently, being working class.

The divide is greater in certain parts of the cities like Dublin, or Cork, but even there, genuine working class populations are in decline, as people become more educated, and have the opportunities of entering other fields of work, or simply their own field has become more technical over time. Now, many people might call themselves "working class" but... nah.. they're essentially middle class.

CountNjord · 20-11-2020 3:33pm

This is what I mean about different classes..

Enjoy

https://youtu.be/pRZeYHM1GzQ

Gervais08 · 20-11-2020 3:55pm

CountNjord wrote: »

This is what I mean about different classes..

Enjoy

https://youtu.be/pRZeYHM1GzQ

I have to somehow get it together for a Teams meeting at 3, that is the funniest man ever!!!!

CountNjord · 20-11-2020 4:58pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I disagree.

My dad would DEFINITELY have been considered working class 50 yrs ago.

I would not be considered that now. Prob just boring middle class.

I don't know how you think the vast majority of people in Ireland are middle class.

I am not saying class defines you etc. It doesn't.

But its a thing.

Maybe its just you dont know any other people outside of that class?

For example ..all of my cousins bar 2 ...would still be working class. That is 10 other cousins

I have dear friends who would call themselves working class ..and would be ..and middle class friends.

No wealthy or upper class friends tho. I must be Riff Raff :P

We've all different versions of class, you could have a guy or woman living in an old humble farmhouse house and he or she works with horses down the road feeding them running them in and cleaning stables and drive's a 2002 vw golf , then you've a guy or woman who lives in a detached house in an estate in suburbia driving an 7 series BMW earning three times the salary of the horsy person and probably has 97 cent left on a Monday after the weekend.
Basically he or she is a slave to the system.

While the person who is cleaning horse **** has 300 Euro to play around on a Monday go figure who's classy...

Definitely not the person who's driving the fancy car...

Biker79 · 21-11-2020 12:46pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Can you explain?

How would they monetize it?

Transhumanism offers a new market for medical, technological and biological enhancements. We have outsourced memory to Google, without much reservation, so essentially the process has already begun.

By ' hijacking ' Transsexuality and making it a mainstream issue ( well beyond what you would expect for such a small portion of the population ), the theory goes that this will engineer wider acceptance of people who want to modify themselves with transhumanist tools such as CRISPR. Elon Musk's neuralink, etc, etc... and their future iterations.

Transhumanism is a corporate opportunity but it is also the Woke ideologies logical endgame. I'm not sure that Wokies realize this. So far they appear to have no issue sacrificing their humanity for ideology - something which cults have always demanded of their adherents.

razorblunt · 21-11-2020 1:03pm

I see they're attempting to cancel Sia for not casting an autistic actor for an autistic character in her new movie.

Her "maybe you're just not a good actor" response was probably a bit too much on the nose.

Gervais08 · 21-11-2020 1:32pm

razorblunt wrote: »

I see they're attempting to cancel Sia for not casting an autistic actor for an autistic character in her new movie.

Her "maybe you're just not a good actor" response was probably a bit too much on the nose.

Do they want to end acting ????

...Ghost... · 21-11-2020 6:11pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Agreed. Movies on planes are edited to remove certain things like bad language, violence, s3x scenes etc. Certainly not censored. Or panel shows will bleep out bad language. Anyone who starts raising things like censorship is more of an issue than a radio station dubbing a word. Censorship debate should be reserved for when it is impacting lives, silencing minorities, disguising hate etc. This song, while a classic and a piece of genius is just a song. Shane wrote it to win a bet, not as an instrument to change humanity. A case of being offended for the sake of it and a case of the bbc cashing in on that.

censor
/ˈsɛnsə/
verb
past tense: censored; past participle: censored
examine (a book, film, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it.

biko · 21-11-2020 6:56pm

Donald Trump Junior tests positive for corona virus.

Yahoo news goes full woke and refers to his father, the current POTUS as "Former reality TV show host".

Once you have been president in US you have the title for life. Obama is still addressed "Mr president"

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/former-reality-tv-show-hosts-235700655.html

.anon. · 21-11-2020 7:06pm

biko wrote: »

Donald Trump Junior tests positive for corona virus.

Yahoo news goes full woke and refers to his father, the current POTUS as "Former reality TV show host".

Once you have been president in US you have the title for life. Obama is still addressed "Mr president"

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/former-reality-tv-show-hosts-235700655.html

I think Boards has gone full "everything is woke". Can people here not learn a new word?

Looks more like they're taking the piss out of his bizarre insistence that he didn't lose the election.

EmmetSpiceland · 21-11-2020 7:31pm

.anon. wrote: »

I think Boards has gone full "everything is woke". Can people here not learn a new word?

Or, at least, contain it in the “Current Affairs” forum.

Wibbs · 21-11-2020 7:34pm

biko wrote: »

Donald Trump Junior tests positive for corona virus.

Yahoo news goes full woke and refers to his father, the current POTUS as "Former reality TV show host".

Once you have been president in US you have the title for life. Obama is still addressed "Mr president"

They're clearly taking the piss outa the orange muppet. Meh.

.anon. · 21-11-2020 7:37pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Or, at least, contain it in the “Current Affairs” forum.

Need a 'woke' forum, where they can just keep typing the word 'woke' all the time.

21-11-2020 7:37pm

Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh they're not being nice about Trump, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh. Talk about snowflakes.

Wibbs · 21-11-2020 7:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh they're not being nice about Trump, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh. Talk about snowflakes.

When that gobsh1te got elected you had plenty of examples of grown adults having meltdowns like spoiled kids who ate too many red Smarties. It's the preponderance of "snowflakes" that's the problem, because they're all over the place.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-11-2020 7:42pm

Wibbs wrote: »

When that gobsh1te got elected you had plenty of examples of grown adults having meltdowns like spoiled kids who ate too many red Smarties. It's the preponderance of "snowflakes" that's the problem, because they're all over the place.

Relax - there'll be less once global warming kicks in.

Wibbs · 21-11-2020 7:46pm

Climate change.

Quantum Erasure · 21-11-2020 8:44pm

Hello nurse was, you know, goodbye nurse. Because I mean, you know what I mean....

https://twitter.com/TheAVClub/status/1329499688366526466
Skip to about 3 mins

Biker79 · 21-11-2020 8:48pm

If it wasn't for Wokies, there would be no Trump.

Must be a terrible thing to come to terms with...

Quantum Erasure · 21-11-2020 8:56pm

'Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.'

21-11-2020 9:30pm

Biker79 wrote: »

If it wasn't for Wokies, there would be no Trump.

Must be a terrible thing to come to terms with...

Twitter is going to be a very dull place in a few weeks!

Wibbs · 21-11-2020 10:40pm

Biker79 wrote: »

If it wasn't for Wokies, there would be no Trump.

Must be a terrible thing to come to terms with...

Actually B, more and more I have come to not believe that, or that it is too easy an answer which is attractive to the "PC's gone mad!!" people. Yes it might have been a factor, but IMHO bigger factors were the deep divisions in US society that have lasted for a long long time that come to the fore every so often, Clinton not being enough of a draw, with a large side order of celeb attraction and razzmatazz(he's a famous "billionaire" y'know), boorishness mistake for honesty and "maybe something different might be a good thing?" Oh wait... And support of one party. After all Americans either vote for one or the other pretty consistently and close to 50/50*.

After all 90% of this "woke" stuff and the "right" stuff is online and in media. Certainly in Ireland the vast majority are very centrist with a mix of right and left, usually in the same person and in American terms very much left.

*the electoral college nonsense notwithstanding.

Quantum Erasure · 22-11-2020 12:18am

The British Library has added the poet Ted Hughes to a dossier on links to slavery and colonialism based on the actions of an ancestor more than 300 years before his birth.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/21/british-library-adds-poet-ted-hughes-slavery-dossier-ancestor/

Despite the poet having humble origins, curators from the Library's Printed Heritage Collections team have identified Hughes as part of research to find evidence of “connections to slavery, profits from slavery or from colonialism” among the former owners of items.

The offending relative is Nicholas Ferrar, born in 1592, whose family was "deeply involved" with the London Virginia Company set up to establish colonies in North America, the research says. But his descendant Hughes was not born until 1930,...

The British Library has also identified Lord Byron, Oscar Wilde and George Orwell in their research – all through far-removed relatives – as part of a bid to become an “actively anti-racist organisation” in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement

22-11-2020 12:34am

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually B, more and more I have come to not believe that, or that it is too easy an answer which is attractive to the "PC's gone mad!!" people. Yes it might have been a factor, but IMHO bigger factors were the deep divisions in US society that have lasted for a long long time that come to the fore every so often, Clinton not being enough of a draw, with a large side order of celeb attraction and razzmatazz(he's a famous "billionaire" y'know), boorishness mistake for honesty and "maybe something different might be a good thing?" Oh wait... And support of one party. After all Americans either vote for one or the other pretty consistently and close to 50/50*.

I think people have forgotten what George W Bush was like... his being elected lowered the bar on presidents so much that I couldn't be surprised by any type of candidate thereafter. Trump was bad... really bad... but GWB? Good lord... people have short memories. Americans are far too much in love with drama, and going to the extremes... it was inevitable that someone like Trump would get in... and I'm fully expecting someone similar again within a decade or so.

46 Long · 22-11-2020 12:38am

Wibbs wrote: »

Climate change.

Climate crisis :pac:

Wibbs · 22-11-2020 11:45am

miss.paula wrote: »

See the Twitter outrage over Mandolorian breast armour.
These Twitter halfwits took offence at something that is standard in armour design since the middle ages

Not being much of a nerd I'm at a loss here, though I do watch the series, so what follows is assumption on my part...

Was the "outrage" over armour for women having moulded breasts thereby sexing it up? If so, while I wouldn't be "outraged" that would not be standard in plate armour design of the medieval. For a start vanishingly few women would have worn plate armour back then. For obvious reasons fighting tended to be an almost exclusively male pursuit and women wearing a full harness even more so. That was the remit of the wealthy and wealthy women would have avoided such things, simply because they could.

If they did wear armour it would have been a copy of male armour scaled down. Shaping breasts onto armour would make it less protective and more dangerous. Never mind that the plate part is the outer layer of many. The first next to the skin would be a thick tightly packed undergarment, then chain mail, then the plate armour on top. Unless a woman had the full Dolly Parton going on(hardly the physique for fighting) her breasts would be flattened by those first two layers alone.

TL;DR? Plate armour for women wouldn't have had tits and certainly wouldn't be a glorified bikini made of metal so popular in fantasy TV and films.

lalababa · 22-11-2020 11:59am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think people have forgotten what George W Bush was like... his being elected lowered the bar on presidents so much that I couldn't be surprised by any type of candidate thereafter. Trump was bad... really bad... but GWB? Good lord... people have short memories. Americans are far too much in love with drama, and going to the extremes... it was inevitable that someone like Trump would get in... and I'm fully expecting someone similar again within a decade or so.

Yep, I gave up on em the Bush re election.

22-11-2020 12:03pm

Wibbs wrote: »

TL;DR? Plate armour for women wouldn't have had tits and certainly wouldn't be a glorified bikini made of metal so popular in fantasy TV and films.

It depends on the era. If you look at Roman Armour for men, the shape of the chest was often stylized on the breastplate, both in metal, and in leather . The same would have been seen in many other cultures, however, the armor wasn't shaped around the body, because any space would have been intended for undergarments to soak up the blunt trauma of being hit. (However, when you look at Greek period Armour, often the armour would have been shaped around a body type because the metal was thinner, and more intended for glancing/deflecting blows received rather than fully resisting a thrust.. the belief being that a person would dance around hits rather than simply take the damage)

I have seen designs of ceremonial armour for both men and women which showed a particular body shape, but it's terribly impractical. Having muscles, or breasts on the armour would simply provide a blade with a place to guide/focus it's momentum, which wouldn't have been desired.

The simple fact is that very few women ever engaged in combat, and had no need for such armour. When they did, they would have used male armour because it would have been available and, well, cheap... and well, easier to maintain.

At the same time, though, lets not forget all the need for inclusiveness that's been going on, where people complain about women not being represented in movies, or books. When the cast or characters are mostly male, with a few token stereotypical female characters, the same people would have gone nuts because women weren't given roles. Accuracy to the books or history takes second place when it's suitable to the outrage being sought.

Now, since we're talking about the Star wars universe where melee combat was an afterthought, and armour was used to make an impression (or environmental protection), the chance of having impractical designs based on the image sought, would be more likely... since armour is little use against guns/laser weapons. It's just people getting outraged for the sake of it.

22-11-2020 12:19pm

Just to add... I've worn plate armor, and also chain variations (combat reenactments). They're heavy... which is the point. Few women would have the strength/stamina to walk around in a full or even partial set for long periods.. so this is never going to be about reality. It's about showing off... which means any armour would have been paper thin, and completely useless for actual combat. So, yeah.. armour with breasts.. sure..

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