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Sinn Fein - just where is the money coming from?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    SF like to propagate that lie to steal some history from other older parties but in reality the party of MLM Ellis etc were created as an offshoot of and offshoot of the actual parties who fought the war of independence and civil wars .

    they are n older than 1970 or so formed as a result of orders from a IRA army council meeting the previous year

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin#1923–1970


    Splits, splits and more splits is not really relevant. There has been a Sinn Fein party in continuous existence since 1905.


    The funds and resources in place in 1970 had to have gone somewhere and continued.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Bear in mind that many of these properties will be shops selling republican type memorabilia which all need to be staffed then there can't be much surprise that they have 200 employees. Also of note should be that Republican Sinn Féin, a group with one elected councillor and a membership that would be lucky to top 100, also owns two properties paid for via donations from supporters and private members draws etc.

    If it was examined I would not be surprised to find that the usual establishment parties do not own the properties they use because they are paying vast rents to party members and supporters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    2500 sheets is the most a political party can accept in a calendar year from a single donor. And that has to be registered and reported to the Standards in Public Office.

    Even if they were paying their 200 employees the minimum wage it would cost 4.2 million a year (excluding PRSI etc).

    So they’d have to be getting 1700 donations of 2500 a year to support the wage bill alone. That doesn’t account for the 50 properties either. You don’t have to declare donations up to 100 quid so maybe SF just received 43000 €100 donations.

    Where’s the money coming from? Something very odd about all this. Hmmm......


  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Why has the media nothing to say about the fact that Mary Lou owns a second home in France?

    Wouldn't do her "Woman of the people" act any favours now would it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Heart Break Kid


    Are all the 200 employees capped at the average industrial wage?

    Thats not something they enforce anymore. Most of their TDs claim their full salary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness



    Where’s the money coming from? Something very odd about all this. Hmmm......


    Ah come on Johnny you are better than this.


    Anyway it's not like they bought 50 properties in one go. I am sure they have been built up over several decades. Sure think of all the 'safe houses' needed back in the 70s and 80s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    It has to be said, the FG meltdown since this election is hilarious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Suckit wrote: »
    It has to be said, the FG meltdown since this election is hilarious.

    It doesn't have to be said so often.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Suckit wrote: »
    It has to be said, the FG meltdown since this election is hilarious.

    This has nothing to do with FG. It’s asking where SF gets the money to own 50 properties and employ 200 people. Very valid questions to ask. They promised new politics. This smells very old.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    It doesn't have to be said so often.


    shrug2.gifI didn't start the thread reminding everyone.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    maccored wrote: »
    when have SF ever claimed to be the oldest political party in ireland then?

    right here

    https://www.friendsofsinnfein.com/about/


    "We are the agent in the United States for Sinn Féin, Ireland's oldest political party (www.sinnfein.ie).

    selling a line of lies to Americans might account for some of the money I guess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Why has the media nothing to say about the fact that Mary Lou owns a second home in France?

    Wouldn't do her "Woman of the people" act any favours now would it.


    She probably knows she has a better chance of becoming president of France than becoming Taoiseach!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    right here

    https://www.friendsofsinnfein.com/about/


    "We are the agent in the United States for Sinn Féin, Ireland's oldest political party (www.sinnfein.ie).

    selling a line of lies to Americans might account for some of the money I guess


    Splits or no splits or whatever you want to call it Sinn Fein are the oldest party in Ireland (est. 1905). What's your big hang up about this?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Splits or no splits or whatever you want to call it Sinn Fein are the oldest party in Ireland (est. 1905). What's your big hang up about this?

    I was replying to a request for proof that sf were claiming something that is not true , from another shinnerbot .


    lies in politics should always be called out imo


    the fgff mafia have a lot more to do with the SF of 1905 that the OCG that is SF today.

    I get the feeling that you cant see that at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    I’ve no idea how he made his money but he went from being a former unemployed convict living in a council house to owning and running many cash based businesses.

    Is there something wrong with a cash based business???

    Is there something wrong with someone working their way up to running a business.

    Because I am both and I want to ask you why you are insinuating that someone who runs a cash based business is doing something illegal?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    tipptom wrote: »
    Is there something wrong with a cash based business???

    Is there something wrong with someone working their way up to running a business.

    Because I am both and I want to ask you why you are insinuating that someone who runs a cash based business is doing something illegal?

    did you do time of terrorism offences too ? just for a fair comparison like lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    I was replying to a request for proof that sf were claiming something that is not true , from another shinnerbot .


    lies in politics should always be called out imo


    the fgff mafia have a lot more to do with the SF of 1905 that the OCG that is SF today.

    I get the feeling that you cant see that at all


    FF formed in mid 1920s to enter Government. FG formed in the 1930s as a loose amalgamation of various factions (in a desperate attempt to have some sort of 'founding father' hilariously connected themselves to Michael Collins who was dead by a good 15 years...better optics than the fascist Blue Shirts I suppose).

    So the FF/FG of today more connected to SF of 1905? That is interesting...let's compare the 1905 manifesto with the FF/FG manifesto of today.

    Whether you like it or not and spin it all you like but Sinn Fein has been in existence since 1905.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Acosta


    This has nothing to do with FG. It’s asking where SF gets the money to own 50 properties and employ 200 people. Very valid questions to ask. They promised new politics. This smells very old.

    Ya right. Suddenly establishment party voters give a toss about corruption


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    What are the 200 employees doing and why didn’t some of them run for the Dail considering they let folks like your one in Clare and your man in Tipperary run for them?

    200 people - that’s more full time employees than the Conservative or Labour parties in Britain.

    Something not right here. Hope the Irish Times keep digging - like the media should.

    We will never know nor will it be investigated how many employees FG have as they pay their staff cash under the counter.

    The great "investigative" journalists in the ITs "missed" that scoop.

    This is another smear from the IT as they ran the same king of articles before the last elections for three days running featuring on the first 3-5 pages each morning.
    Was waiting each day for the big scoop but nothing and even on the last day nothing,they actually had to admit that the SF fund in America releases more information that they have to and that their accounts are way more open than FF/FG.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Likely robbing banks Johnny or kidnap ransoms and the like.
    fergus1001 wrote: »
    ah the irish times such a source of unbiased reporting when it comes to the shinners

    Front page:

    1. Corona Virus.
    2. Shinners
    3.Corona virus
    4. Shinners
    5. Brexit

    TBF RTE have nothing on the shinners. And their number 3 is on FF saying they'll go in with FG. That news worthy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    did you do time of terrorism offences too ? just for a fair comparison like lol

    I know you are a neo Unionist/Loyalist but I didn't think the makey uppey Ni Scotch Gaelic was your first language.

    English down here please.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    FF formed in mid 1920s to enter Government. FG formed in the 1930s as a loose amalgamation of various factions (in a desperate attempt to have some sort of 'founding father' hilariously connected themselves to Michael Collins who was dead by a good 15 years...better optics than the fascist Blue Shirts I suppose).

    So the FF/FG of today more connected to SF of 1905? That is interesting...let's compare the 1905 manifesto with the FF/FG manifesto of today.

    Whether you like it or not and spin it all you like but Sinn Fein has been in existence since 1905.

    your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

    FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

    FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

    where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF " (OFFICAL )

    for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    tipptom wrote: »
    We will never know nor will it be investigated how many employees FG have as they pay their staff cash under the counter.
    .
    Really?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    tipptom wrote: »
    I know you are a neo Unionist/Loyalist but I didn't think the makey uppey Ni Scotch Gaelic was your first language.

    English down here please.

    that's your reply tom ? really ?

    ye are even running out of ways to deflect.

    didn't think you'd be as big a fan of the Queens English though lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    that's your reply tom ? really ?

    ye are even running out of ways to deflect.

    didn't think you'd be as big a fan of the Queens English though lol

    Deflect from what?

    You asking me was I involved in Terrorism?

    That's what you asked me when I was asking someone a question about insinuating something illegal about a person running a cash based business.

    Leave it to the adults Jeff and go build your bonfire with the rest of the traccies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

    FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

    FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

    where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF "

    for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.
    There was no group styling itself "Original Sinn Féin. The O in OSF stood for "Official".


    The split of 1970 was caused by those who supported the OIRA/Stickies failing to get a motion in support of entering Leinster House passed at the SF Ard Fheis of that year. They won a majority but did not reach the two thirds figure required under the constitution. A motion was then put that SF support the Sticky leadership which caused uproar and delegates left the hall led by Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, Seán Mac Stíofáin, Dáithí Ó Conaill etc. and reconvened the Ard Fheis elsewhere. Those who supported the Stickies were deemed to have broken the constitution of SF and expelled.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    tipptom wrote: »
    Deflect from what?

    You asking me was I involved in Terrorism?

    That's what you asked me when I was asking someone a question about insinuating something illegal about a person running a cash based business.

    Leave it to the adults Jeff and go build your bonfire with the rest of the traccies.

    sure thing tom ill do just as you say :D

    after all no thread shall question SF or point out its issues


  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    sure thing tom ill do just as you say :D

    after all no thread shall question SF or point out its issues

    No one is allowed question them. After all, they're going to bring chhhhaaaaannnnggggeeeeee.

    504702.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

    FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

    FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

    where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF "

    for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.


    Ignoring what facts? I am well aware of the history of Dev and O'Duffy (trust me when I tell you that I am more knowledgeable on Irish history than most) but one does not have to the time to embark on a fulsome treatise on the origins of FF/FG via Boards which is a why I made a very brief point on it.

    I am not a Sinn Fein supporter but again you are ignoring the fact that SF have been in place since 1905. No idea why it kills you to acknowledge this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

    FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

    FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

    where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF "


    for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.


    That sentence is wrong in more ways than one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Bullocks wrote: »
    Really?

    Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Ignoring what facts? I am well aware of the history of Dev and O'Duffy (trust me when I tell you that I am more knowledgeable on Irish history than most) but one does not have to the time to embark on a fulsome treatise on the origins of FF/FG via Boards which is a why I made a very brief point on it.

    I am not a Sinn Fein supporter but again you are ignoring the fact that SF have been in place since 1905. No idea why it kills you to acknowledge this.

    so all that stuff I posted is true then you agree ? or is my version of history and yours both true ?

    why does that "im not a sf supporter but" line appear in every SF thread ever started


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    tipptom wrote: »
    Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.

    Don't forget FG dodging a tax for 9 years and only fixing it after they got caught. Noonan lied saying they were addressing it already. Revenue disagreed.

    Again with the shinners, fair dues asking questions. My gripe would be having two of the four font page stories on the meanderings of some jurno when we've a caretaker government. FF saying they'll go in with FG warrants a mention surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    so all that stuff I posted is true then you agree ? or is my version of history and yours both true ?

    why does that "im not a sf supporter but" line appear in every SF thread ever started


    What nonsense is this. Please reconsider and construct your sentences better or just have a lie down. You are getting terribly worked up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    tipptom wrote: »
    Is there something wrong with a cash based business???

    Is there something wrong with someone working their way up to running a business.

    Because I am both and I want to ask you why you are insinuating that someone who runs a cash based business is doing something illegal?

    You're still in the building trade then Tommie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    tipptom wrote: »
    Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.

    Everybody will talk to Lowry, he's handy to swing a vote in their favour.
    Any evidence of them paying FG staff under the counter? You would have to wonder why they would.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    It doesn't have to be said so often.

    Kind of does though. It's quite remarkable.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    tipptom wrote: »
    Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.


    a cash based business builder from tipp ?

    you might know lowery so id say he is a big fan of the cash lol


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    What nonsense is this. Please reconsider and construct your sentences better or just have a lie down. You are getting terribly worked up.

    you guys are getting worse at this stuff .

    or im getting better but it is fun :pac::pac::pac::pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    Good to see all the deflection-bots out answering a question with a question.

    Terrible manners. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    a cash based business builder from tipp ?

    you might know lowery so id say he is a big fan of the cash lol

    Steady on Jeff. I agree with a lot of what you say but if we had a few more like Lowry prepared to get stuck in we would all be a lot better off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Yeah the hilarity of Bertie Ahern as the Minister for Finance not having a bank account and expecting us to believe it.

    While we are at it, let the GAA throw open their books and also especially local GAA clubs and county boards. That would be a laugh. All those fat brown envelopes handed over to players and coaches but maybe they just let local business do the dirty work instead. The whole "expenses" charade.

    Investigate by all means but there is no high and mighty organisation in this country able to throw the first stone.

    GAA'a accounts are available to any member, as are the accounts of each club and county board.

    I have a provisional set of accounts here from Roscommon GAA from a few years back and it runs to over 30 pages, this is without the full Treasurers report.

    If political parties had the same openness as the GAA we'd all be a lot better off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    KevRossi wrote: »
    GAA'a accounts are available to any member, as are the accounts of each club and county board.

    I have a provisional set of accounts here from Roscommon GAA from a few years back and it runs to over 30 pages, this is without the full Treasurers report.

    If political parties had the same openness as the GAA we'd all be a lot better off.


    Oh yeah of course. They accounts are squeaky clean. I have no doubt they are. My business accounts are also squeaky clean and fully audited every year for regulatory purposes. Now, how did that wad of cash end up in my jacket...it's a mystery.

    It's the payments not in accounts that are more interesting...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Oh yeah of course. They accounts are squeaky clean. I have no doubt they are. My business accounts are also squeaky clean and fully audited every year for regulatory purposes. Now, how did that wad of cash end up in my jacket...it's a mystery.

    It's the payments not in accounts that are more interesting...

    Oh you are very cynical, all the political parties in this state are above board and would never ever invlove themselves is dodgy practices like ansbacker, take cash payments for planning or getting a government licence for say mobile phones. 😀


  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Oh you are very cynical, all the political parties in this state are above board and would never ever invlove themselves is dodgy practices like ansbacker, take cash payments for planning or getting a government licence for say mobile phones. ��

    You're dead right Floppy. That sort of thing is akin to robbing a bank. A Northern Bank even. :eek::eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    KevRossi wrote: »
    GAA'a accounts are available to any member, as are the accounts of each club and county board.

    I have a provisional set of accounts here from Roscommon GAA from a few years back and it runs to over 30 pages, this is without the full Treasurers report.

    If political parties had the same openness as the GAA we'd all be a lot better off.

    I've done a bit of work with the GAA and have been quite impressed with both with the organisation and clubs, particularly given the amount of work done by people on a volunteer level. IME it compares favourably to many sporting organisations. Never understood the cynicism about the organisation, and I don't even follow GAA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    You're still in the building trade then Tommie?
    ????


    You never got back to me yesterday to explain why your trying to pass yourself off as being related to Dan Breen?

    Picked up my money on Browne getting elected in Tipp,how did that big bet go for you on Hannaigan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    tipptom wrote: »
    ????


    You never got back to me yesterday to explain why your trying to pass yourself off as being related to Dan Breen?

    Picked up my money on Browne getting elected in Tipp,how did that big bet go for you on Hannaigan?


    Oh right your not in the building game anymore.
    Still wearing the Poppy though I suppose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    How do the figures compare to other political parties?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    While we are at it, are the Catholic Church's accounts freely available? A lot of property.

    Very much a cash business unless they have started passing a card machine around at Sunday mass.


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