Sinn Fein - just where is the money coming from?

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 2:12pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

SF like to propagate that lie to steal some history from other older parties but in reality the party of MLM Ellis etc were created as an offshoot of and offshoot of the actual parties who fought the war of independence and civil wars .

they are n older than 1970 or so formed as a result of orders from a IRA army council meeting the previous year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin#1923–1970

Splits, splits and more splits is not really relevant. There has been a Sinn Fein party in continuous existence since 1905.

The funds and resources in place in 1970 had to have gone somewhere and continued.

Conall Cernach · 05-03-2020 2:28pm

Bear in mind that many of these properties will be shops selling republican type memorabilia which all need to be staffed then there can't be much surprise that they have 200 employees. Also of note should be that Republican Sinn Féin, a group with one elected councillor and a membership that would be lucky to top 100, also owns two properties paid for via donations from supporters and private members draws etc.

If it was examined I would not be surprised to find that the usual establishment parties do not own the properties they use because they are paying vast rents to party members and supporters.

JohnnyFlash · 05-03-2020 2:28pm

2500 sheets is the most a political party can accept in a calendar year from a single donor. And that has to be registered and reported to the Standards in Public Office.

Even if they were paying their 200 employees the minimum wage it would cost 4.2 million a year (excluding PRSI etc).

So they’d have to be getting 1700 donations of 2500 a year to support the wage bill alone. That doesn’t account for the 50 properties either. You don’t have to declare donations up to 100 quid so maybe SF just received 43000 €100 donations.

Where’s the money coming from? Something very odd about all this. Hmmm......

Fred Cryton · 05-03-2020 2:31pm

Why has the media nothing to say about the fact that Mary Lou owns a second home in France?

Wouldn't do her "Woman of the people" act any favours now would it.

Heart Break Kid · 05-03-2020 2:31pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Are all the 200 employees capped at the average industrial wage?

Thats not something they enforce anymore. Most of their TDs claim their full salary.

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 2:33pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Where’s the money coming from? Something very odd about all this. Hmmm......

Ah come on Johnny you are better than this.

Anyway it's not like they bought 50 properties in one go. I am sure they have been built up over several decades. Sure think of all the 'safe houses' needed back in the 70s and 80s.

Suckit · 05-03-2020 2:37pm

It has to be said, the FG meltdown since this election is hilarious.

dxhound2005 · 05-03-2020 2:39pm

Suckit wrote: »

It has to be said, the FG meltdown since this election is hilarious.

It doesn't have to be said so often.

JohnnyFlash · 05-03-2020 2:40pm

Suckit wrote: »

It has to be said, the FG meltdown since this election is hilarious.

This has nothing to do with FG. It’s asking where SF gets the money to own 50 properties and employ 200 people. Very valid questions to ask. They promised new politics. This smells very old.

Suckit · 05-03-2020 2:41pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It doesn't have to be said so often.

I didn't start the thread reminding everyone.

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 2:43pm

maccored wrote: »

when have SF ever claimed to be the oldest political party in ireland then?

right here

https://www.friendsofsinnfein.com/about/

"We are the agent in the United States for Sinn Féin, Ireland's oldest political party (www.sinnfein.ie).

selling a line of lies to Americans might account for some of the money I guess

realdanbreen · 05-03-2020 2:44pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Why has the media nothing to say about the fact that Mary Lou owns a second home in France?

Wouldn't do her "Woman of the people" act any favours now would it.

She probably knows she has a better chance of becoming president of France than becoming Taoiseach!

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 2:46pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

right here

https://www.friendsofsinnfein.com/about/

"We are the agent in the United States for Sinn Féin, Ireland's oldest political party (www.sinnfein.ie).

selling a line of lies to Americans might account for some of the money I guess

Splits or no splits or whatever you want to call it Sinn Fein are the oldest party in Ireland (est. 1905). What's your big hang up about this?

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 2:51pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Splits or no splits or whatever you want to call it Sinn Fein are the oldest party in Ireland (est. 1905). What's your big hang up about this?

I was replying to a request for proof that sf were claiming something that is not true , from another shinnerbot .

lies in politics should always be called out imo

the fgff mafia have a lot more to do with the SF of 1905 that the OCG that is SF today.

I get the feeling that you cant see that at all

tipptom · 05-03-2020 2:55pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

I’ve no idea how he made his money but he went from being a former unemployed convict living in a council house to owning and running many cash based businesses.

Is there something wrong with a cash based business???

Is there something wrong with someone working their way up to running a business.

Because I am both and I want to ask you why you are insinuating that someone who runs a cash based business is doing something illegal?

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 3:01pm

tipptom wrote: »

Is there something wrong with a cash based business???

Is there something wrong with someone working their way up to running a business.

Because I am both and I want to ask you why you are insinuating that someone who runs a cash based business is doing something illegal?

did you do time of terrorism offences too ? just for a fair comparison like lol

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 3:01pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

I was replying to a request for proof that sf were claiming something that is not true , from another shinnerbot .

lies in politics should always be called out imo

the fgff mafia have a lot more to do with the SF of 1905 that the OCG that is SF today.

I get the feeling that you cant see that at all

FF formed in mid 1920s to enter Government. FG formed in the 1930s as a loose amalgamation of various factions (in a desperate attempt to have some sort of 'founding father' hilariously connected themselves to Michael Collins who was dead by a good 15 years...better optics than the fascist Blue Shirts I suppose).

So the FF/FG of today more connected to SF of 1905? That is interesting...let's compare the 1905 manifesto with the FF/FG manifesto of today.

Whether you like it or not and spin it all you like but Sinn Fein has been in existence since 1905.

Acosta · 05-03-2020 3:03pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

This has nothing to do with FG. It’s asking where SF gets the money to own 50 properties and employ 200 people. Very valid questions to ask. They promised new politics. This smells very old.

Ya right. Suddenly establishment party voters give a toss about corruption

tipptom · 05-03-2020 3:07pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What are the 200 employees doing and why didn’t some of them run for the Dail considering they let folks like your one in Clare and your man in Tipperary run for them?

200 people - that’s more full time employees than the Conservative or Labour parties in Britain.

Something not right here. Hope the Irish Times keep digging - like the media should.

We will never know nor will it be investigated how many employees FG have as they pay their staff cash under the counter.

The great "investigative" journalists in the ITs "missed" that scoop.

This is another smear from the IT as they ran the same king of articles before the last elections for three days running featuring on the first 3-5 pages each morning.
Was waiting each day for the big scoop but nothing and even on the last day nothing,they actually had to admit that the SF fund in America releases more information that they have to and that their accounts are way more open than FF/FG.

James Brown · 05-03-2020 3:09pm

Likely robbing banks Johnny or kidnap ransoms and the like.

fergus1001 wrote: »

ah the irish times such a source of unbiased reporting when it comes to the shinners

Front page:

1. Corona Virus.
2. Shinners
3.Corona virus
4. Shinners
5. Brexit

TBF RTE have nothing on the shinners. And their number 3 is on FF saying they'll go in with FG. That news worthy.

tipptom · 05-03-2020 3:12pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

did you do time of terrorism offences too ? just for a fair comparison like lol

I know you are a neo Unionist/Loyalist but I didn't think the makey uppey Ni Scotch Gaelic was your first language.

English down here please.

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 3:12pm

partyguinness wrote: »

FF formed in mid 1920s to enter Government. FG formed in the 1930s as a loose amalgamation of various factions (in a desperate attempt to have some sort of 'founding father' hilariously connected themselves to Michael Collins who was dead by a good 15 years...better optics than the fascist Blue Shirts I suppose).

So the FF/FG of today more connected to SF of 1905? That is interesting...let's compare the 1905 manifesto with the FF/FG manifesto of today.

Whether you like it or not and spin it all you like but Sinn Fein has been in existence since 1905.

your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF " (OFFICAL )

for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.

Bullocks · 05-03-2020 3:12pm

tipptom wrote: »

We will never know nor will it be investigated how many employees FG have as they pay their staff cash under the counter.
.

Really?

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 3:14pm

tipptom wrote: »

I know you are a neo Unionist/Loyalist but I didn't think the makey uppey Ni Scotch Gaelic was your first language.

English down here please.

that's your reply tom ? really ?

ye are even running out of ways to deflect.

didn't think you'd be as big a fan of the Queens English though lol

tipptom · 05-03-2020 3:21pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

that's your reply tom ? really ?

ye are even running out of ways to deflect.

didn't think you'd be as big a fan of the Queens English though lol

Deflect from what?

You asking me was I involved in Terrorism?

That's what you asked me when I was asking someone a question about insinuating something illegal about a person running a cash based business.

Leave it to the adults Jeff and go build your bonfire with the rest of the traccies.

Conall Cernach · 05-03-2020 3:23pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF "

for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.

There was no group styling itself "Original Sinn Féin. The O in OSF stood for "Official".

The split of 1970 was caused by those who supported the OIRA/Stickies failing to get a motion in support of entering Leinster House passed at the SF Ard Fheis of that year. They won a majority but did not reach the two thirds figure required under the constitution. A motion was then put that SF support the Sticky leadership which caused uproar and delegates left the hall led by Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, Seán Mac Stíofáin, Dáithí Ó Conaill etc. and reconvened the Ard Fheis elsewhere. Those who supported the Stickies were deemed to have broken the constitution of SF and expelled.

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 3:30pm

tipptom wrote: »

Deflect from what?

You asking me was I involved in Terrorism?

That's what you asked me when I was asking someone a question about insinuating something illegal about a person running a cash based business.

Leave it to the adults Jeff and go build your bonfire with the rest of the traccies.

sure thing tom ill do just as you say

after all no thread shall question SF or point out its issues

Utter Consternation · 05-03-2020 3:32pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

sure thing tom ill do just as you say

after all no thread shall question SF or point out its issues

No one is allowed question them. After all, they're going to bring chhhhaaaaannnnggggeeeeee.

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 3:33pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF "

for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.

Ignoring what facts? I am well aware of the history of Dev and O'Duffy (trust me when I tell you that I am more knowledgeable on Irish history than most) but one does not have to the time to embark on a fulsome treatise on the origins of FF/FG via Boards which is a why I made a very brief point on it.

I am not a Sinn Fein supporter but again you are ignoring the fact that SF have been in place since 1905. No idea why it kills you to acknowledge this.

Suckit · 05-03-2020 3:42pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

your ignoring the facts again but that not surprising

FF formed by devala who left the original sf to do so

FG formed by o duffy who was also a former original SF td

where as the SF that you are supporting was formed in 1970 from the group using the name "Original SF "

for a party who rely so much on history SF are hilariously bad at it.

That sentence is wrong in more ways than one.

tipptom · 05-03-2020 3:47pm

Bullocks wrote: »

Really?

Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 3:50pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Ignoring what facts? I am well aware of the history of Dev and O'Duffy (trust me when I tell you that I am more knowledgeable on Irish history than most) but one does not have to the time to embark on a fulsome treatise on the origins of FF/FG via Boards which is a why I made a very brief point on it.

I am not a Sinn Fein supporter but again you are ignoring the fact that SF have been in place since 1905. No idea why it kills you to acknowledge this.

so all that stuff I posted is true then you agree ? or is my version of history and yours both true ?

why does that "im not a sf supporter but" line appear in every SF thread ever started

James Brown · 05-03-2020 3:51pm

tipptom wrote: »

Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.

Don't forget FG dodging a tax for 9 years and only fixing it after they got caught. Noonan lied saying they were addressing it already. Revenue disagreed.

Again with the shinners, fair dues asking questions. My gripe would be having two of the four font page stories on the meanderings of some jurno when we've a caretaker government. FF saying they'll go in with FG warrants a mention surely?

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 3:52pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

so all that stuff I posted is true then you agree ? or is my version of history and yours both true ?

why does that "im not a sf supporter but" line appear in every SF thread ever started

What nonsense is this. Please reconsider and construct your sentences better or just have a lie down. You are getting terribly worked up.

realdanbreen · 05-03-2020 3:53pm

tipptom wrote: »

Is there something wrong with a cash based business???

Is there something wrong with someone working their way up to running a business.

Because I am both and I want to ask you why you are insinuating that someone who runs a cash based business is doing something illegal?

You're still in the building trade then Tommie?

Bullocks · 05-03-2020 3:55pm

tipptom wrote: »

Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.

Everybody will talk to Lowry, he's handy to swing a vote in their favour.
Any evidence of them paying FG staff under the counter? You would have to wonder why they would.....

Yurt2 · 05-03-2020 3:58pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It doesn't have to be said so often.

Kind of does though. It's quite remarkable.

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 3:59pm

tipptom wrote: »

Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.

a cash based business builder from tipp ?

you might know lowery so id say he is a big fan of the cash lol

mynamejeff · 05-03-2020 4:01pm

partyguinness wrote: »

What nonsense is this. Please reconsider and construct your sentences better or just have a lie down. You are getting terribly worked up.

you guys are getting worse at this stuff .

or im getting better but it is fun :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Utter Consternation · 05-03-2020 4:01pm

Good to see all the deflection-bots out answering a question with a question.

Terrible manners.

realdanbreen · 05-03-2020 4:01pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

a cash based business builder from tipp ?

you might know lowery so id say he is a big fan of the cash lol

Steady on Jeff. I agree with a lot of what you say but if we had a few more like Lowry prepared to get stuck in we would all be a lot better off.

KevRossi · 05-03-2020 4:20pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah the hilarity of Bertie Ahern as the Minister for Finance not having a bank account and expecting us to believe it.

While we are at it, let the GAA throw open their books and also especially local GAA clubs and county boards. That would be a laugh. All those fat brown envelopes handed over to players and coaches but maybe they just let local business do the dirty work instead. The whole "expenses" charade.

Investigate by all means but there is no high and mighty organisation in this country able to throw the first stone.

GAA'a accounts are available to any member, as are the accounts of each club and county board.

I have a provisional set of accounts here from Roscommon GAA from a few years back and it runs to over 30 pages, this is without the full Treasurers report.

If political parties had the same openness as the GAA we'd all be a lot better off.

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 4:24pm

KevRossi wrote: »

GAA'a accounts are available to any member, as are the accounts of each club and county board.

I have a provisional set of accounts here from Roscommon GAA from a few years back and it runs to over 30 pages, this is without the full Treasurers report.

If political parties had the same openness as the GAA we'd all be a lot better off.

Oh yeah of course. They accounts are squeaky clean. I have no doubt they are. My business accounts are also squeaky clean and fully audited every year for regulatory purposes. Now, how did that wad of cash end up in my jacket...it's a mystery.

It's the payments not in accounts that are more interesting...

Floppybits · 05-03-2020 4:41pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Oh yeah of course. They accounts are squeaky clean. I have no doubt they are. My business accounts are also squeaky clean and fully audited every year for regulatory purposes. Now, how did that wad of cash end up in my jacket...it's a mystery.

It's the payments not in accounts that are more interesting...

Oh you are very cynical, all the political parties in this state are above board and would never ever invlove themselves is dodgy practices like ansbacker, take cash payments for planning or getting a government licence for say mobile phones. ðŸ˜€

Utter Consternation · 05-03-2020 4:52pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Oh you are very cynical, all the political parties in this state are above board and would never ever invlove themselves is dodgy practices like ansbacker, take cash payments for planning or getting a government licence for say mobile phones. ��

You're dead right Floppy. That sort of thing is akin to robbing a bank. A Northern Bank even. :eek::eek:

CrankyHaus · 05-03-2020 5:06pm

KevRossi wrote: »

GAA'a accounts are available to any member, as are the accounts of each club and county board.

I have a provisional set of accounts here from Roscommon GAA from a few years back and it runs to over 30 pages, this is without the full Treasurers report.

If political parties had the same openness as the GAA we'd all be a lot better off.

I've done a bit of work with the GAA and have been quite impressed with both with the organisation and clubs, particularly given the amount of work done by people on a volunteer level. IME it compares favourably to many sporting organisations. Never understood the cynicism about the organisation, and I don't even follow GAA.

tipptom · 05-03-2020 5:07pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

You're still in the building trade then Tommie?

????

You never got back to me yesterday to explain why your trying to pass yourself off as being related to Dan Breen?

Picked up my money on Browne getting elected in Tipp,how did that big bet go for you on Hannaigan?

realdanbreen · 05-03-2020 5:13pm

tipptom wrote: »

????

You never got back to me yesterday to explain why your trying to pass yourself off as being related to Dan Breen?

Picked up my money on Browne getting elected in Tipp,how did that big bet go for you on Hannaigan?

Oh right your not in the building game anymore.
Still wearing the Poppy though I suppose.

Junkyard Tom · 05-03-2020 5:21pm

How do the figures compare to other political parties?

partyguinness · 05-03-2020 5:24pm

While we are at it, are the Catholic Church's accounts freely available? A lot of property.

Very much a cash business unless they have started passing a card machine around at Sunday mass.

Sinn Fein - just where is the money coming from?

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