Garda shoots dog in Longford

Stephen Gawking · 04-12-2018 1:23am #1

What's this all about? I've seen the video that the woman took of the incident but it's not very clear. Not sure if I can post the video here so I'll erron the side of caution & not post it. Was the garda justified? He looks like he was alone or was it a negligent discharge? Hard to say either way.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/investigation-underway-after-dog-shot-dead-in-longford-man-injured-in-incident-889607.html

Buford T Justice · 04-12-2018 1:40am

Shur when has the truth ever mattered in these cases? Trial and conviction by social media as usual.

emptyhouse2222 · 04-12-2018 1:41am

generic traveller-bashing post

Fordcspri23 · 04-12-2018 1:42am

Buford T Justice wrote: »

Shur when has the truth ever mattered in these cases? Trial and conviction by social media as usual.

You’re the cool Buford.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 04-12-2018 2:26am

Whatever about him shooting the mans foot but only a physcopath would murder a dog

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-12-2018 2:35am

Man shot, dog killed, thread in AH. Probably an exhilarating day by Longford standards.

Raheem Euro · 04-12-2018 2:51am

Longford cops aren't taking any shlt. Shoot yo in the foot motherfcuker.

"Things are quiet around here. And we want to keep it that way"

The Crowman · 04-12-2018 2:58am

Pretty hard to tell whats going on but it looks like the dog might have gone for the cop, you can see that something is pulling on his tie and he shoots downwards at whatever is in front of him. You can't actually see the dog at any point.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 3:03am

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

Not sure if I can post the video here so I'll erron the side of caution & not post it.

I'm long over due a holiday from after hours

That said I don't think it breaks the rules.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 3:05am

The Crowman wrote: »

Pretty hard to tell whats going on but it looks like the dog might have gone for the cop, you can see that something is pulling on his tie and he shoots downwards at whatever is in front of him. You can't actually see the dog at any point.

I believe there was no dog involved in the video.
The dog had already been killed earlier in the incident before the recording.

delly · 04-12-2018 3:10am

Even with the limited view, you can get an idea of what went on. Garda involved in standoff, somebody or something gets a hold of Garda and pulls on his tie, Garda shoots dog to release.

If Garda felt he was in fear for his life, then it should be justified, but whatever happens he will be sandbagged for the rest of his career for taking the shot. In the meantime a load of people will have successful compo claims.

/edit, based on the above, I may be wrong then.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 3:15am

I could be wrong too. I just can't see or hear a dog at any point.

Raheem Euro · 04-12-2018 3:19am

Perhaps the traveller while he strsngled the cop with one hand gripping the tie - he grabbed for the gun or ended up grabbing the trigger finger with his other hand. Firing the gun In an ironic twist of faith injuring himself.

That will be the official version. Either that or a warning shot that ricochet'd.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 3:22am

The garda says the line "I'll put a bullet in him" so they will have to be a bit more creative than that.

endacl · 04-12-2018 3:25am

Anybody get a clear read of the lettering on the van? Just in case I ever want fencing done I want to be sure I don’t accidentally call them.

kneemos · 04-12-2018 3:29am

Grabbing his tie is hardly being attacked. Sounded like yer man was trying to pull him off in fairness.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 3:30am

endacl wrote: »

Anybody get a clear read of the lettering on the van? Just in case I ever want fencing done I want to be sure I don’t accidentally call them.

Casey fencing? You just have to check if it's a registered business or a fake company name on the van.

The Crowman · 04-12-2018 3:32am

tuxy wrote: »

Casey fencing? You just have to check if it's a registered business or a fake company name on the van.

Foxy haired guy seemed to be trying to attack the van driver.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 3:35am

You're right, the travellers do not own the van.

The van had been left with them for repair and it's claimed the detective is helping him get his van back after a dispute over the repair bill.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 5:40am

Ok, dog is there for sure. The detective said "get it to let go of me" when his tie was being held.
I imagine the dog was produced to intimidate the detective and that's why the gun was drawn. The traveller seemed to lose control of the dog,
Fairly unprofessional by the detective, no garda should take on a situation like this alone but it was self defence so I imagine the discharge of the weapon will be deemed legitimate.

namloc1980 · 04-12-2018 7:20am

Interesting that they all seemed to be on first name terms with each other, including the Garda.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 7:26am

In a city it would be but It's not that unusual in smaller communities. I've seen a few disputes on the streets in a small town between Garda and Travellers both using first names. I've even been in a station while a traveller was shouting from one of the cells asking to be let out, using the first name of the garda

suicide_circus · 04-12-2018 7:53am

grab a man's tie when he's holding a gun you deserve a bullet in the foot.

"Ah me foot, Tom!"

ToddyDoody · 04-12-2018 7:54am

'Let's make a Longford everyone can be proud of'

Greybottle · 04-12-2018 9:27am

Ongoing history in that area.
https://m.herald.ie/news/brutal-traveller-gang-are-suspects-for-bomb-left-at-gardas-home-34156792.html

The area and parts of north Roscommon had a high vote for Casey in the election. There's a reason behind it. Join the dots.

Captain Obvious · 04-12-2018 9:31am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COr0k0fFnAg

PSA: Turn your volume down.

No idea what it's all over but the man is obviously trying to attack the van driver and the Garda is trying to stop it. When he gets the van door closed you can hear the man say "watch out watch out" This is apparently because a German Sheppard has arrived. We then see the Garda being pulled down by his tie. I think the dog has a hold of it. He warns the man twice to get the dog off him and then shoots the dog. The bullet appear to have gone through the dog and hit the man or hit the ground and ricocheted into the man.

04-12-2018 9:32am

Prediction: Garda is retired, people involved take thousands in compensation off the state.

SuperS54 · 04-12-2018 9:32am

Find it strange that a Garda would not use a clip on tie, there wouldn't have been a problem, other than the loss of a tie, if he had.

Fr_Dougal · 04-12-2018 9:33am

I don’t see any dog being shot.

Dtp1979 · 04-12-2018 9:34am

Poor dog

myshirt · 04-12-2018 9:35am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I don’t see any dog being shot.

Good morning Garda.

Captain Obvious · 04-12-2018 9:35am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I don’t see any dog being shot.

Yeah he appears to be a stealth dog.

04-12-2018 9:35am

SuperS54 wrote: »

Find it strange that a Garda would not use a clip on tie, there wouldn't have been a problem, other than the loss of a tie, if he had.

I doubt it. We dont get the full story here.

Who goes to work and wants to put up with that sh*te too.

gctest50 · 04-12-2018 9:36am

tuxy wrote: »

You're right, the travellers do not own the van.

The van had been left with them for repair and it's claimed the detective is helping him get his van back after a dispute over the repair bill.

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2018/1130/1014383-longford/

Gardaí say a major criminal gang with strong links in the UK was behind the operation of a so-called ‘Chop Shop’ in Co Longford

Dozens of doors and engines for Ford Transit vans were among the items recovered by gardaí.

FTA69 · 04-12-2018 9:37am

Doesn’t show him shooting a dog it all, just seems that he’s putting one in the fella’s leg for grabbing his tie. The video doesn’t clearly show what happened at all really.

I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying, he had a multitude of options available to him and seemed to jump on the decision to shoot someone pretty quickly. Putting a bullet in a person is a serious thing and in my opinion not an immediate option for general loutishness. That having been said, maybe he did justifiably shoot a dog and the fella took a ricochet. Who knows really?

I’m sure this thread will be full of hearty cheers for a cop shooting a Traveller doing the bollix, but at the end of the day give the state of our police force I wouldn’t be too eager to be lauding them banging people whenever they feel like it. If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.

Captain Obvious · 04-12-2018 9:41am

FTA69 wrote: »

Doesn’t show him shooting a dog it all, just seems that he’s putting one in the fella’s leg for grabbing his tie. The video doesn’t clearly show what happened at all really.

I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying, he had a multitude of options available to him and seemed to jump on the decision to shoot someone pretty quickly. Putting a bullet in a person is a serious thing and in my opinion not an immediate option for general loutishness. That having been said, maybe he did justifiably shoot a dog and the fella took a ricochet. Who knows really?

I’m sure this thread will be full of hearty cheers for a cop shooting a Traveller doing the bollix, but at the end of the day give the state of our police force I wouldn’t be too eager to be lauding them banging people whenever they feel like it. If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.

All the reporting seems to support the story of a dog being shot dead. So does what the Garda is saying. "I'll put a bullet in him. Get him to let go." And the traveller shouting "watch out, watch out" was likely saying watch out for the dog. I'm curious though, if it was the man pulling his tie down and the Garda was using one hand to hold his gun away and the other to try get the tie back, what were all the options you think he had to take on the two people?

04-12-2018 9:43am

Right at the beginning of the video, in the first few seconds, the traveller has his left arm on the van but his right arm appears to be holding something nearer to the ground. I think that’s the dog being held.

04-12-2018 9:43am

yeah that response is rubbish

few more armed gardai putting bullets in legs or thighs of anyone who thinks they can put hands on a officer, be no bad thing at all

Graniteville · 04-12-2018 9:45am

yet AGAIN, its travellers.

Always effin travellers - if they are not scamming elderly people, they are scamming insurance or thieving from shops or robbing houses left right and centre.

Utter XXXX.

04-12-2018 9:46am

FTA69 wrote: »

I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying..........If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.

If a person pulls a gun, whether legally or not, and you're dumb enough to grab them by the tie.....you deserve to get shot, IMO. Why would you want to get into a 'bit of a scuffle' with an armed guard?

Get Real · 04-12-2018 9:46am

Of course we can't see a dog in the video.

Screaming Mary there wouldn't show anything from the waist down, lest it portray the actual situation and scupper her compo case.

FTA69 · 04-12-2018 9:47am

See when the camera pans out I don’t see any dog? He video doesnt show any dog at any stage. Surely if the German Shepard had have jumped up and caught the guard’s tie then he’d have been visible? As I said, maybe it did happen and the video is just unclear and misleading - a common occurrence.

What would I expect the guard to do if someone did grab him? Whack him in the face with the gun perhaps? Call for help? CS spray him? A scuffle can’t be reason to shoot someone. I remember seeing a brawl outside a pub and guards were getting grabbed and knocked over while trying to break it up, I wouldn’t have thought that them going around shooting people in the legs would have been a proportionate response.

Fann Linn · 04-12-2018 9:49am

You can train a dog but you can't train....

04-12-2018 9:52am

FTA69 wrote: »

Doesn’t show him shooting a dog it all, just seems that he’s putting one in the fella’s leg for grabbing his tie. The video doesn’t clearly show what happened at all really.

I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying, he had a multitude of options available to him and seemed to jump on the decision to shoot someone pretty quickly. Putting a bullet in a person is a serious thing and in my opinion not an immediate option for general loutishness. That having been said, maybe he did justifiably shoot a dog and the fella took a ricochet. Who knows really?

I’m sure this thread will be full of hearty cheers for a cop shooting a Traveller doing the bollix, but at the end of the day give the state of our police force I wouldn’t be too eager to be lauding them banging people whenever they feel like it. If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.

He had his gun drawn so in that situation I don't see how he could not use it. Especially when it's 2-on-1. They knew he had the gun, he warned them several times to stop and to let go.

How do you know they're travellers? Bit racist.

piplip87 · 04-12-2018 9:52am

What people are missing here is if your on first name basis with an armed detective your either a neighbor, friend or ...........

These people are known to Gardai, the gaurd would not have produced a weapon unless he had a reason too. There's more to this than meets they eye as usual the recording starts when the Gaurd shows up but no reason as to why he was there

beertons · 04-12-2018 9:52am

Was the dog hholding the camera? Bit shakey, I've seen worse.

04-12-2018 9:53am

Surely the Garda had good reason to have his gun drawn in the first place. He was then left with only one free hand which he needed to use to grab at his own tie.

These videos only really show what they want you to show. Like c’mon, a fella gets shot in the foot and the woman still just carries on recording! If that were my husband (not that either of us would be in that situation), I think I’d have dropped the phone and ran to help him.

PrettyBoy · 04-12-2018 9:53am

Pity the bullet only hit his foot.

sheesh · 04-12-2018 9:53am

there is no dog, there is no blood on the ground either I think he just fired his gun

unless the dog was coming at him from well behind the van and he figured that i'll kill the dog and that will put a bit of order on proceedings because he is going to attack.

Alternatively his first round was a blank (which I heard on the news along time ago that guards do that to provide a warning shot). he fired a blank round into the dogs face.

Graniteville · 04-12-2018 9:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

How do you know they're travellers? Bit racist.

Listen to it - only one shower of sh1tes talks like that, and they are the scum that cause untold hurt and hardships to thousands of decent people every year.

Ireland's largest criminal group - Travellers

04-12-2018 9:55am

sheesh wrote: »

there is no dog, there is no blood on the ground either I think he just fired his gun

Why is the mans right shoulder and arm hanging lower than his left side in the first few seconds of the video?

Garda shoots dog in Longford

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