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Garda shoots dog in Longford

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  • #1152
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,229 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Bad form to criticise the man for finishing a job he started.

    Ha ha I never criticised him.


  • #1153
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    How do you know there was a ricochet?

    well one shot was fired and a dog was killed and traveller hit .


    so ya know science ?


  • #1154
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Yup either ricochet off dogs body or both dogs body and the ground.


  • #1155
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    It is quite possible that there was no ricochet.

    There really is no evidence presented so far that there was a ricochet.

    For those posters who don't seem to know what a ricochet is this is a dictionary definition.

    "a ball or bullet that hits a surface and moves away from it at an angle, or an occasion when this happens "


  • #1156
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Almost as much controversy as JFKs shooting .
    Anyone for a grassy knoll ?


  • #1157
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    My theory is he missed the dog and accidentally shot poor Blondie.


  • #1158
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    sligojoek wrote: »
    My theory is he missed the dog and accidentally shot poor Blondie.

    And the animal blood found was just part of a traveller ritual, it's their culture.


  • #1159
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    tuxy wrote: »
    And the animal blood found was just part of a traveller ritual, it's their culture.

    Could've a bitch on heat. Can't rule anything out.


  • #1160
    emptyhouse2222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    oh my sweet jesus
    they are actually calling out the guard on facebook

    where is charlie flanagan with all his big words now


  • #1161
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    emptyhouse2222 wrote: »
    oh my sweet jesus
    they are actually calling out the guard on facebook

    where is charlie flanagan with all his big words now

    Any chance Tubridy et al will comment on this tomorrow?


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  • #1162
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    emptyhouse2222 wrote: »
    oh my sweet jesus
    they are actually calling out the guard on facebook

    where is charlie flanagan with all his big words now

    What page?


  • #1163
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭mattser


    Another hard days graft by the AH keyboard detectives. To date, they haven't established if there was a dog.
    There is loads of opinion, though, and lots of dissing about who is more qualified in firearm instruction.
    And let's not start on ricochets.


  • #1164
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    tuxy wrote: »
    And the animal blood found was just part of a traveller ritual, it's their culture.


    Who has claimed that animal blood was found?


  • #1165
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Who has claimed that animal blood was found?

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/body-of-dog-shot-dead-by-garda-in-tense-confrontation-cant-be-found-37600183.html


  • #1166
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


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  • #1167
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Who took the slash hook from her?
    cameramonkey wrote: »
    How do you know there was a ricochet?
    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Are you saying that the dag(dog) had the guard by the tie?
    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Who has claimed that animal blood was found?


    Magnus Magnusson is alive and well, who knew. To quote yourself.


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Did you watch the video?


  • #1168
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    There are posts with pictures from the Stokes of transit parts from April.
    Lets hope they are stupid enough to continue using social media and the Gardi continue the raids.


  • #1169
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Any chance Tubridy et al will comment on this tomorrow?

    Followed by a simucast by Joe Duffy from the control centre in Mullingar.

    Joe: How did you feeeeeeel when your dog was brutally and savagely shot by the naughty detective?

    Mrs Blondie: What dag Joe? There was no dag there.

    Joe: Well done.. Well done.


  • #1170
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    tuxy wrote: »
    There are posts with pictures from the Stokes of transit parts from April.
    Lets hope they are stupid enough to continue using social media and the Gardi continue the raids.

    Just had a look at some of their pages there - they are claiming their German Shepherd has been missing for 2 weeks, but all of the posts about it being missing are posted after the shooting...........


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  • #1171
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    tuxy wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/body-of-dog-shot-dead-by-garda-in-tense-confrontation-cant-be-found-37600183.html


    It does not seem to be a from an official Garda statement. It's from a senior source, what ever that means.


  • #1172
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    mattser wrote: »
    Another hard days graft by the AH keyboard detectives. To date, they haven't established if there was a dog.
    There is loads of opinion, though, and lots of dissing about who is more qualified in firearm instruction.
    And let's not start on ricochets.


    Assuming you are not going to change the business model of discussion fora and people posting opinions, do you have one yourself ?

    Its evident from the video released (and by whom it was released) and all shot at waist height, what went on. I wouldn't want to be a Guard with this level of disrespect nor fear of a gun.

    There is definitely a dog even if it doesn't make a guest appearance (its evident from the commentary). There are more witnesses than the chap in the van. There were two cars parked behind the Inspector and at least one person behind him.


  • #1173
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    mary black might knock a christmas hit out of it

    sonny don't go away,
    i can't find me dag,
    the shades say dey shot him
    but i don't know ta f**k
    dey tuk all our parts,
    we stole from the Tans,


  • #1174
    marketty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭marketty


    I don't understand why the Travellers would deny that there was a dog. If no dog then your man grabbed the Garda by the tie himself, putting the Guard at serious risk of being disarmed and pretty solidly justifying the shooting. It'd make more sense to say the dog got away from you and attacked the Guard despite your best efforts to restrain him.


  • #1175
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    marketty wrote: »
    I don't understand why the Travellers would deny that there was a dog. If no dog then your man grabbed the Garda by the tie himself, putting the Guard at serious risk of being disarmed and pretty solidly justifying the shooting. It'd make more sense to say the dog got away from you and attacked the Guard despite your best efforts to restrain him.

    Lying to a knacker is like breathing to anyone else. They do it without conscious thought, all the time.


  • #1176
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    STB. wrote: »
    Magnus Magnusson is alive and well, who knew. To quote yourself.


    You missed a few of my questions.

    I am just asking because people are making huge assumptions with no evidence, that may be hard for you to understand. A brief Garda statement and the video are all we have to go on unless you count the travellers tales.

    In the video we see no slash hook or dog, two vital elements of the story so far both missing..

    In the Garda statement they say
    "As part of an on-going investigation by Gardai from Longford, they attended at an incident in Granard earlier this evening the Tuesday 3 December 2018.

    "During the course of this incident an official Garda firearm was discharged. As this incident has been referred to the Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission, An Garda Siochana are not in a position to comment further."

    No slash hook no dog either or no ricochet. No mention either of the man who was shot or no animal blood.

    GSOC were not looking for a dog either I believe.

    I am just trying to figure out where all these supposed facts about the shooting are coming from. It sounds like lots of leaks to influence the trajectory of the narrative.

    I've seen it somewhere before.


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  • #1177
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    You missed a few of my questions.

    I am just asking because people are making huge assumptions with no evidence. A brief Garda statement and the video are all we have to go on unless you count the travellers tales.

    In the video we see no slash hook or dog, two vital elements of the story so far both missing..

    In the Garda statement they say

    "As part of an on-going investigation by Gardai from Longford, they attended at an incident in Granard earlier this evening the Tuesday 3 December 2018.
    "During the course of this incident an official Garda firearm was discharged. As this incident has been referred to the Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission, An Garda Siochana are not in a position to comment further."

    No slash hook no dog either. No mention either of the man who was shot or no animal blood.

    GSOC were not looking for an dog either I believe.

    I am just trying to figure out where all these supposed facts about the shooting are coming from. It sounds like lots of leaks to influence the trajectory of the narrative.

    I've seen it somewhere before.


    You have seen what where before ?

    Do you understand how journalism works or are you one these people who are dependant upon press releases for everything ? There are countless articles in the press, prior to GSOC stepping in.

    That's not what GSOC said either. They are not commenting as its an ongoing investigation.

    As regards your its not in the video commentary throughout this thread, there is enough visual and audio commentary in even that short clip to come to a conclusion as to what is happening and how someone managed to be shot. Furthermore witnesses are evident in the footage.


  • #1178
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    It boils down to this,

    Forget about the van, the dog, or whoever was involved.

    Someone or something was pulling the cop's tie towards the ground. If they succeeded, the gun was free for all. The cop had to make sure that didn't happen.

    He was 100% right in what he did.


  • #1179
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    sligojoek wrote: »

    Someone or something was pulling the cop's tie towards the ground. If they succeeded, the gun was free for all. The cop had to make sure that didn't happen.

    He was 100% right in what he did.


    Rule No.1 Do not lose your sidearm, especially in a nightclub. :)


  • #1180
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    STB. wrote: »
    Do you understand how journalism works or are you one these people who are dependant upon press releases for everything ? There are countless articles in the press, prior to GSOC stepping in.

    Journalists are getting leaks from the Guards , the Guards are telling the journalist what they want to get out to the public, it may be true or it may not be true.

    Do you think all leaks from the guards are the truth? If so you are very naive.
    STB. wrote: »
    As regards your its not in the video commentary throughout this thread, there is enough visual and audio commentary in even that short clip to come to a conclusion as to what is happening and how someone managed to be shot. Furthermore witnesses are evident in the footage.

    There is ample evidence as to how the guy was shot as you say, the detective looks to be very frightened, he fires a shot in the direction of whatever has hold of his tie.

    There is no evidence of a dog that I can see or hear or no evidence of a slash hook. Both may have been there but are not visible.


  • #1181
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    emptyhouse2222 wrote: »
    oh my sweet jesus
    they are actually calling out the guard on facebook

    where is charlie flanagan with all his big words now

    the five best tinkers in longford vs the five best gardai in longford ?

    id pay to see that one :):)


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  • #1182
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Journalists are getting leaks from the Guards , the Guards are telling the journalist what they want to get out to the public, it may be true or it may not be true.

    Do you think all leaks from the guards are the truth? If so you are very naive.



    There is ample evidence as to how the guy was shot as you say, the detective looks to be very frightened, he fires a shot in the direction of whatever has hold of his tie.

    There is no evidence of a dog that I can see or hear or no evidence of a slash hook. Both may have been there but are not visible.

    The slash hook was gone before the video was shot by all accounts. Nobody claimed it was in there. Then either a dog or a man pulled the garda's tie. Whoever did that needed to be shot when the garda had a gun in his hand.


  • #1183
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭mattser


    The lack of moderation on this thread has been disgraceful.


  • #1184
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    The slash hook was gone before the video was shot by all accounts. Nobody claimed it was in there. Then either a dog or a man pulled the garda's tie. Whoever did that needed to be shot when the garda had a gun in his hand.


    What accounts are by all accounts?
    The shooting is not in doubt , what is holding his tie is.
    We should not depend on unattributed leaks for our "facts" about this incident.


  • #1185
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    What accounts are by all accounts?
    The shooting is not in doubt , what is holding his tie is.
    We should not depend on unattributed leaks for our "facts" about this incident.

    You can see in the video that something was holding his tie.


  • #1186
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    OhHiMark wrote: »
    You can see in the video that something was holding his tie.

    Sometime low to the ground.
    It could be a dog but don't rule out a dwarf traveller.


  • #1187
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    mattser wrote: »
    The lack of moderation on this thread has been disgraceful.

    The lack of moderation on this thread made this thread what it is.

    Long may it last.


  • #1188
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    tuxy wrote: »
    Sometime low to the ground.
    It could be a dog but don't rule out a dwarf traveller.


    Chihuahua?


  • #1189
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Chihuahua?

    That would be an odd nickname for a dwarf.


  • #1190
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,921 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    marketty wrote: »
    I don't understand why the Travellers would deny that there was a dog. If no dog then your man grabbed the Garda by the tie himself, putting the Guard at serious risk of being disarmed and pretty solidly justifying the shooting. It'd make more sense to say the dog got away from you and attacked the Guard despite your best efforts to restrain him.

    Ching ching cash register sounds playing in their head. Let’s accept their story then. Charge him with assault of a member of AGS NOW!


  • #1191
    John Sacrimoni
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭John Sacrimoni


    marketty wrote: »
    I don't understand why the Travellers would deny that there was a dog. If no dog then your man grabbed the Garda by the tie himself, putting the Guard at serious risk of being disarmed and pretty solidly justifying the shooting. It'd make more sense to say the dog got away from you and attacked the Guard despite your best efforts to restrain him.

    Never try to understand travellers, they are fùcking idiots.


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  • #1192
    corks finest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    tuxy wrote: »
    archer22 wrote: »
    There does not seem to be any immediate threat when he fired..the Dog was so far away from him as to be out of frame.

    Here's the full frame not cropped at the exact moment the shot was fired.
    And you claim to know for sure there was no dog near him?

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    Do you think it's a man or a dog that is trying to strangle the detective?
    Clip on tie needed boy, lesson learned


  • #1193
    corks finest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    marketty wrote: »
    I don't understand why the Travellers would deny that there was a dog. If no dog then your man grabbed the Garda by the tie himself, putting the Guard at serious risk of being disarmed and pretty solidly justifying the shooting. It'd make more sense to say the dog got away from you and attacked the Guard despite your best efforts to restrain him.
    Maybe they "found" the dog,here in cork they " find" s lot


  • #1194
    BobBobBobBob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭BobBobBobBob


    Allensbridge, Newmarket is where you get your fencing ;)


  • #1195
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    #KnackLivesMatter


  • #1196
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Feisar wrote: »
    But what would John Connors do?

    You can ask that question in the Official John Connors Appreciation Thread.


  • #1197
    [Deleted User]
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    Throwing another idea into the mix

    Who’s to say that the stokes fella was injured at all. Himself and his wife? Did he go to hospital? How did he get to hospital? Could the blood that was seen on his foot be from the dog? Did he allow forensics take samples of the blood on his foot?


  • #1198
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Throwing another idea into the mix

    Who’s to say that the stokes fella was injured at all. Himself and his wife? Did he go to hospital? How did he get to hospital? Could the blood that was seen on his foot be from the dog? Did he allow forensics take samples of the blood on his foot?

    Probably has the missus at home shooting him in the foot as we speak. Hopefully she's a bad shot.


  • #1199
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Throwing another idea into the mix

    Who’s to say that the stokes fella was injured at all. Himself and his wife? Did he go to hospital? How did he get to hospital? Could the blood that was seen on his foot be from the dog? Did he allow forensics take samples of the blood on his foot?

    ueg.jpg


  • #1200
    [Deleted User]
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    Can you make mine with a little flower on it, Battle :D


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  • #1201
    archer22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    It does not seem to be a from an official Garda statement. It's from a senior source, what ever that means.

    Paul Williams probably ;)


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