Why I am leaving Ireland in 2019

theguzman · 03-12-2018 8:11pm #1

I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.

Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

Wheety · 03-12-2018 8:14pm

Bye

Purgative · 03-12-2018 8:14pm

Bye then.

Rum Ham! · 03-12-2018 8:15pm

secman · 03-12-2018 8:15pm

Best of luck in Utopia, to keep in touch with the plebs back home. Cheers

Fuzzy Logic · 03-12-2018 8:16pm

Nice (not) knowing you

enricoh · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

Where u heading, dubai? Zero craic!

Kevin Finnerty · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

I like the grammar. So well paragraphed and constructed. A joy to read OP.

LirW · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

Yes but where are you heading

Stanford · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

Have you checked out less regressive tax countries or are you just venting?

BENDYBINN · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

You’re dead right......our best people will go abroad and make a good life for themselves. Always been the case.

CinemaGuy45 · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

You could go North.

North Sentinel Island

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No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.

NSAman · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

Far Away hills are Green.... you may be paying TAX at high rates in Ireland. Other countries make you pay tax as well.

I get a higher Take home wage in The USA but I also pay a hell of a lot more for many of the things that you listed there.

Health Care, Property Tax, etc etc.

OK VRT is non-existant and road tax where I am is $110 a year for a 5.7 ltr hemi Truck.

Ireland is a pain tax wise, but other countries are no better.

theguzman · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

LirW wrote: »

Yes but where are you heading

Probably Qatar

SCOOP 64 · 03-12-2018 8:20pm

Have to agreed, this is the one that cost me a fortune,
Stamp Duty 2% after first million.

theguzman · 03-12-2018 8:20pm

NSAman wrote: »

Far Away hills are Green.... you may be paying TAX at high rates in Ireland. Other countries make you pay tax as well.

I get a higher Take home wage in The USA but I also pay a hell of a lot more for many of the things that you listed there.

Health Care, Property Tax, etc etc.

OK VRT is non-existant and road tax where I am is $110 a year for a 5.7 ltr hemi Truck.

Ireland is a pain tax wise, but other countries are no better.

You will work all your life in Ireland, possibly have children or not, but if you want to give whatever you saved to your heir they will pay 33%, in the US and other countries they would pay zero.

mark085 · 03-12-2018 8:21pm

What a depressing outlook you have,I work and make good money and enjoy myself

Reati · 03-12-2018 8:22pm

Bit too much thought in the OP for after hours... Your right but no one will let you have that. Enjoy America.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 03-12-2018 8:23pm

theguzman wrote: »

Probably Qatar

Hilarious. Sharia law and blatant labour rights violations?

Stanford · 03-12-2018 8:24pm

theguzman wrote: »

Probably Qatar

Great, a country where slavery is still legal,.....enjoy

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-12-2018 8:24pm

no need to make a big song and dance about it

Stanford · 03-12-2018 8:26pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

no need to make a big song and dance about it

But there is, he hasn't the balls to make a decision and go, he wants all of us to agree with him

emptyhouse2222 · 03-12-2018 8:26pm

theguzman wrote: »

I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.

Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

best of luck

cannotlogin · 03-12-2018 8:27pm

The only things more expensive in Qatar are housing, alcohol and entertainment!

You are also 7 times more likely to be murdered in Qatar.

Have fun (expensively!)

HamSarris · 03-12-2018 8:27pm

theguzman wrote: »

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

Maybe you're projecting the anger you feel about your own life onto the government and the leftist, PC regressive elite.

It's easier to say I'm leaving Ireland because of the tax system than I'm leaving Ireland because no one likes me anymore since I became resentful towards everyone.

Zorya · 03-12-2018 8:28pm

theguzman wrote: »

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.

Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

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It's a lot of tax alright. In recent years and solely on this issue I find common ground with libertarians. Mainly because the return from government is so poor in terms of what we generally get as societal services.

dhaughton99 · 03-12-2018 8:34pm

Good read. It’s also kind of a **** hole. Manky weather, dirty, too many ****heads.

Wesser · 03-12-2018 8:34pm

Why not go in 2018?

sightband · 03-12-2018 8:36pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

You could go North.

North Sentinel Island

No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.

How many thanks were you expecting after all that effort and attempted wit?

You would’ve been just as well off with all the “bye” “bye now” “nice knowing you “ muck.

Massive divide here, wouldn’t blame anyone for leaving. Income tax figures seem a bit off though, maybe recalculate and reevaluate

NSAman · 03-12-2018 8:38pm

I left a good few years ago. Have set up a nice lifestyle for myself with all the "little" creature comforts that one could want. I couldi not make a living in Ireland in what I do, so I was left with no option.

Would I return to Ireland if I could? ABSO****LUTELY

I already have my retirement plan set out, I have the property bought and will start building that future this coming year.

I love living here, BUT, I also know that I would love to spend more time at home (it is home after all).

EmptyTree · 03-12-2018 8:40pm

theguzman wrote: »

You will work all your life in Ireland, possibly have children or not, but if you want to give whatever you saved to your heir they will pay 33%, in the US and other countries they would pay zero.

Different bands apply, it's not a flat rate tax.

Why I am leaving Ireland in 2019

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