Why I am leaving Ireland in 2019

theguzman · 03-12-2018 8:11pm #1

I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.

Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

Wheety · 03-12-2018 8:14pm

Bye

Purgative · 03-12-2018 8:14pm

Bye then.

Rum Ham! · 03-12-2018 8:15pm

secman · 03-12-2018 8:15pm

Best of luck in Utopia, to keep in touch with the plebs back home. Cheers

Fuzzy Logic · 03-12-2018 8:16pm

Nice (not) knowing you

enricoh · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

Where u heading, dubai? Zero craic!

Kevin Finnerty · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

I like the grammar. So well paragraphed and constructed. A joy to read OP.

LirW · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

Yes but where are you heading

Stanford · 03-12-2018 8:17pm

Have you checked out less regressive tax countries or are you just venting?

BENDYBINN · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

You’re dead right......our best people will go abroad and make a good life for themselves. Always been the case.

CinemaGuy45 · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

You could go North.

North Sentinel Island

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No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.

NSAman · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

Far Away hills are Green.... you may be paying TAX at high rates in Ireland. Other countries make you pay tax as well.

I get a higher Take home wage in The USA but I also pay a hell of a lot more for many of the things that you listed there.

Health Care, Property Tax, etc etc.

OK VRT is non-existant and road tax where I am is $110 a year for a 5.7 ltr hemi Truck.

Ireland is a pain tax wise, but other countries are no better.

theguzman · 03-12-2018 8:18pm

LirW wrote: »

Yes but where are you heading

Probably Qatar

SCOOP 64 · 03-12-2018 8:20pm

Have to agreed, this is the one that cost me a fortune,
Stamp Duty 2% after first million.

theguzman · 03-12-2018 8:20pm

NSAman wrote: »

Far Away hills are Green.... you may be paying TAX at high rates in Ireland. Other countries make you pay tax as well.

I get a higher Take home wage in The USA but I also pay a hell of a lot more for many of the things that you listed there.

Health Care, Property Tax, etc etc.

OK VRT is non-existant and road tax where I am is $110 a year for a 5.7 ltr hemi Truck.

Ireland is a pain tax wise, but other countries are no better.

You will work all your life in Ireland, possibly have children or not, but if you want to give whatever you saved to your heir they will pay 33%, in the US and other countries they would pay zero.

mark085 · 03-12-2018 8:21pm

What a depressing outlook you have,I work and make good money and enjoy myself

Reati · 03-12-2018 8:22pm

Bit too much thought in the OP for after hours... Your right but no one will let you have that. Enjoy America.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 03-12-2018 8:23pm

theguzman wrote: »

Probably Qatar

Hilarious. Sharia law and blatant labour rights violations?

Stanford · 03-12-2018 8:24pm

theguzman wrote: »

Probably Qatar

Great, a country where slavery is still legal,.....enjoy

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-12-2018 8:24pm

no need to make a big song and dance about it

Stanford · 03-12-2018 8:26pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

no need to make a big song and dance about it

But there is, he hasn't the balls to make a decision and go, he wants all of us to agree with him

emptyhouse2222 · 03-12-2018 8:26pm

theguzman wrote: »

I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.

Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

best of luck

cannotlogin · 03-12-2018 8:27pm

The only things more expensive in Qatar are housing, alcohol and entertainment!

You are also 7 times more likely to be murdered in Qatar.

Have fun (expensively!)

HamSarris · 03-12-2018 8:27pm

theguzman wrote: »

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

Maybe you're projecting the anger you feel about your own life onto the government and the leftist, PC regressive elite.

It's easier to say I'm leaving Ireland because of the tax system than I'm leaving Ireland because no one likes me anymore since I became resentful towards everyone.

Zorya · 03-12-2018 8:28pm

theguzman wrote: »

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.

Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

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It's a lot of tax alright. In recent years and solely on this issue I find common ground with libertarians. Mainly because the return from government is so poor in terms of what we generally get as societal services.

dhaughton99 · 03-12-2018 8:34pm

Good read. It’s also kind of a **** hole. Manky weather, dirty, too many ****heads.

Wesser · 03-12-2018 8:34pm

Why not go in 2018?

sightband · 03-12-2018 8:36pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

You could go North.

North Sentinel Island

No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.

How many thanks were you expecting after all that effort and attempted wit?

You would’ve been just as well off with all the “bye” “bye now” “nice knowing you “ muck.

Massive divide here, wouldn’t blame anyone for leaving. Income tax figures seem a bit off though, maybe recalculate and reevaluate

NSAman · 03-12-2018 8:38pm

I left a good few years ago. Have set up a nice lifestyle for myself with all the "little" creature comforts that one could want. I couldi not make a living in Ireland in what I do, so I was left with no option.

Would I return to Ireland if I could? ABSO****LUTELY

I already have my retirement plan set out, I have the property bought and will start building that future this coming year.

I love living here, BUT, I also know that I would love to spend more time at home (it is home after all).

EmptyTree · 03-12-2018 8:40pm

theguzman wrote: »

You will work all your life in Ireland, possibly have children or not, but if you want to give whatever you saved to your heir they will pay 33%, in the US and other countries they would pay zero.

Different bands apply, it's not a flat rate tax.

namloc1980 · 03-12-2018 8:43pm

Some of those "facts" are a bit off such as VAT is 23%, 13.5% or 0% depending on the good or service with some industry specific rates. Anyway I thought you were going off to some utopia but it's Qatar. A country with slave labour and currently being blockaded by Saudi Arabia. Bloody hell.

wakka12 · 03-12-2018 8:44pm

And youll find plenty of bad things about whatever country you move to, just different bad things to here

P_1 · 03-12-2018 8:47pm

Been entertaining similar thoughts to the op not gonna lie.

On the one hand Ireland is relatively liberal, the people are sound, you have amazing scenery right on your doorstep and really the weather isnt all that bad even though we all like to have a bit of a moan about it.

On the other hand, rents in Dublin are eye watering to put it mildly, our taxes are basically pissed away and nothing really works public service wise.

Look around though and what are the options. Germany maybe if your German is up to scratch. The UK which is swiftly turning into a bit of a racist hellhole but they do have Gregg's. France which seems to have a riot or a terrorist attack at an alarming frequency. America, erm the less said the better.

Holland, Denmark or Sweden maybe?

I get the sentiment but perhaps it could have been worded a bit better

dubrov · 03-12-2018 8:47pm

theguzman wrote:

Probably Qatar

Great idea. Use slave labour to subsidise your taxes.

CinemaGuy45 · 03-12-2018 8:51pm

sightband wrote: »

How many thanks were you expecting after all that effort and attempted wit?

More than I got.

You would’ve been just as well off with all the “bye” “bye now” “nice knowing you “ muck.

Thanks for the tip

Massive divide here, wouldn’t blame anyone for leaving. Income tax figures seem a bit off though, maybe recalculate and reevaluate

After Hours is not the place for serious advice lighting up a bit.:p

theguzman · 03-12-2018 8:52pm

dubrov wrote: »

Great idea. Use slave labour to subsidise your taxes.

Qatar is just one of the low tax regimes I am thinking of, The US is also very appealing depending on which state I'd go to. I don't know how anyone could defend what is happening in Ireland unless you were a Civil Servant on a cushy job with a pension. I know lads who stay in bed all day, drink a few cans or smoke a bit of weed, they have nothing to their name and contribute nothing to society only draw down from the system, before they would anger me but as every day passes I admire them more for being able to give two fingers to the taxman.

Don't Chute! · 03-12-2018 8:54pm

Great! One less gob****e in the country. Only a couple of hundred thousand more to go.

namloc1980 · 03-12-2018 8:58pm

theguzman wrote: »

Qatar is just one of the low tax regimes I am thinking of, The US is also very appealing depending on which state I'd go to. I don't know how anyone could defend what is happening in Ireland unless you were a Civil Servant on a cushy job with a pension. I know lads who stay in bed all day, drink a few cans or smoke a bit of weed, they have nothing to their name and contribute nothing to society only draw down from the system, before they would anger me but as every day passes I admire them more for being able to give two fingers to the taxman.

You sound like a multinational. Picking where you live based on the local tax situation is a bit odd really.

M.T. Cranium · 03-12-2018 8:58pm

Canada is great for low taxes.

Not really, I was just testing whether or not I could make the sun go dark.

But just for sake of comparison, we pay a goods and service tax of 5% on most consumer goods. Provinces have additional sales taxes in some cases. Our income tax rates seem about similar to yours. There is no inheritance tax (edit, some parts may be taxed as income, but it's not a straight percentage tax on inheritance). Our "petrol" prices are not as high although taxes added may be almost as much.

In most of our larger cities, the weather may be colder for a few months but generally speaking warmer from April to September with perhaps a bit more sunshine. So it would be a tolerable trade-off if you didn't mind the winters being much colder (a bit colder in the case of Vancouver).

Health care costs here are not terribly high and the service is not terribly bad. I could imagine it being better but I know it's worse in the UK and (for cost) in the USA. Going by what you say in Ireland.

Electricity rates vary a lot from province to province, I've heard people in Ontario saying they are being gouged, it is a bit steep here in BC but affordable, and cheaper in some other parts.

I can imagine improvements to our tax system in Canada but I imagine it seems not too bad to outside observers.

As to what we get for our taxes, this tends to be less of a complaint among Canadians, but a lot of our government services are provided by provinces rather than the federal government, which means a bit more control through the electoral process. I don't think I am receiving very much back for any federal taxes that I pay, but it's comforting to think we have a military who can surrender in an orderly fashion if any actual military power invades us. That takes the burden off my shoulders.

Dravokivich · 03-12-2018 9:04pm

So where/when is the leaving party and are you inviting us, in some sort of indirect way?

Sugar Free · 03-12-2018 9:54pm

OP I agree with some of your sentiment but I'd urge you to consider all aspects of life in the country you move to. For example, I live in a country considered to be low tax versus Ireland. I can take public transport with no restrictions covering about a fifth of the country for ~70e a month. In many circumstances I can sell assets without paying any CGT. I can pass on and inherit assets tax free (varies by state) to/from immediate family with no upper threshold.

However, you have to pay mandatory health insurance premiums, which for most people are 200-300e per month regardless of whether you need to avail of any healthcare. And you still have a deductible you need to reach before you can claim anything back. It is extremely rare for employers to cover this unlike in Ireland where every global company worth it's salt gives you a good policy.

You also have to pay a wealth tax when your net wealth is >70,000e (varies by state). Renting in the principal city makes Dublin rent look like postively good value and purchasing property suitable as a family home within 10km of said city centre is unattainable for almost everyone who isn't in investment banking or pharma. The cost of 5 days a week childcare is ~2200E a month. Per child. No discounts.

So my point is be careful what you wish for! Ireland's income and CGT/CAT system is a bit dysfunctional but most countries that weren't built in the middle of a desert will find other ways to get you, even if their taxation looks great from the outside looking in.

Richard Hillman · 03-12-2018 10:05pm

Living standards are plummeting. Year in year out, the cost of living is exceeding inflation and wage increases. Year in year out, governments are nipping away at your money through stealth taxes and mandatory expenses.

And more is on its way. Minimum Pricing of Alcohol, mandatory health insurance, can/bottle deposit schemes, television/media license, congestion charges, road tolls, public transport fare increases, they are all on the way. We won't be doing much L-I-V-I-N-G. No country for young men.

Rubberchikken · 03-12-2018 10:08pm

ireland isnt just dublin. there are other counties out there if people only opened their eyes/a map.
yes we have taxes. yes rents are silly bugger amounts. but other countries have taxes, high rents, eeven crap weather at times.

ireland needs lots of improvements, a new proper health system. decent politicians/gardai/etc and the chances of any of that happening are nil, but most people are ok and the scenery is good.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 03-12-2018 10:18pm

5 years ago when I had no responsibilities there wouldnt have been any argument in the world that would make me even consider leaving Ireland. Now with 2 small kids, I would probably consider somewhere like Canada if the offer presented itself.

We bring in more money than I ever expected to earn and yet never seem to be able to get ahead. Stating that to anyone seems to be met with "sure arent there people worse off than you" - which is true of course, but is that now the standard we should all work towards?

We made the choice to buy a house and to have kids knowing theyd have to go into creche, no one forced us - but to me they are pretty basic choices that shouldnt be this hard to maintain from a financial / quality of life perspective. I dont see that changing any time soon, and having recently written to my TD and gotten a response Im surer that it wont. Irish politics seems to be forever limited to short term reactive measures.

So while I wont be rushing to book a flight, I get where the OP is coming from.

sjb25 · 03-12-2018 10:23pm

theguzman wrote: »

I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.

Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

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Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-12-2018 10:26pm

It does seem that our recent growth rate hasn’t really helped the average joe. Of course we still have a major debt overhang.

bfa1509 · 03-12-2018 10:27pm

Just wait until we get "culturally enriched" with Leo's 2040 plan to raise the population by 1 million.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-12-2018 10:27pm

I never get why people oppose inheritance taxes. You could set a limit to only catch the top 30% but without them all countries become feudal oligarchies.

NIMAN · 03-12-2018 10:33pm

If the op is honest, wherever he or she ends up, they will say "you know Ireland isn't as bad as I thought it was".

There is no utopia. Some places do things better than others. It's the way of the world.

I have seen holland, Sweden, Germany, Norway mentioned in this thread. That's all well and good, but there's a language to be learned for the op, and in plenty of other countries. Not everyone can manage to learn languages easily. And if you don't, it'll be very difficult to get yourself a good job.

And then there's the job itself. Are you going to walk into a well paying career in a foreign country just like that? I doubt it.

And don't forget many countries don't just want any Tom, Dick and Harry walking into their country. Many won't let you.

Good luck anyway op, keep us updated with your new wonderful life.

Stan27 · 03-12-2018 10:43pm

I moved to Australia in 2017. Great country but I’ll always move home to Ireland

Why I am leaving Ireland in 2019

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