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Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Maybe aliens planted covid 19 here

    Nah I think they are nice.

    Besides why risk it? It could be something that evolved into something that could hurt them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    The majority of them in the US seem to take place in places like Nevada and so on near areas where the US military and defence companies would be conducting tests of new aircraft, drones and missiles.

    It’s very likely many of those sittings you hear about were just prototype aircraft.

    It’s very probable that drones and so on have been in development since at least the 1950s. The technology has just become more mainstream and affordable which has brought them into consumer markets in more recent years.

    Also if you were an advanced alien race, why would you spend so much time abducting and probing rural Americans? They’re not that interesting!!

    It's by far the most likely explanation.
    Add in deliberate disinformation as a cover for experimental aircraft, optical illusions, hypoxia, unusual sensor returns caused by any number of phenomena, hallucination, mental instability, drugs, alcohol and you've got "UFOs".


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Pentagon finally releases footage of UFO encounters which had previously been leaked 2007 and 2017. The videos show unidentified aerial objects performing impossible manouvers at impossible speeds! Impossible to be manned by humans, as the G-forces would turn the human body to pulp.

    See video here ..
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52457805


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LeYouth wrote: »
    I wonder do they have recessions on alien planets. I wonder are they giving out about dole payments there....and travellers. Do you think there's an alien Dublin out there? Oh god.

    *Collapses.


    That's true, you know. If there are Aliens, I doubt they're like we portray them - constantly working on probes and fixing space ships. I'd say it's a lot like earth. Loads of houses. Alien Nurses looking for more money. Alien doleheads sitting in their front gardens with their swimming pool tied down so it doesn't float away with a few cans.


    Motor Factors queue out the door, everyone looking for Flux Capacitors as the minority aliens keep stealing them off their spaceships. :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Flickerfusion


    There could also be a huge scale difference.

    Maybe you could have advanced civilisations the size of ants or even microbes. Who says biology has to be this big?

    Sure they could have been buzzing around for millennia and we didn't even notice.

    Or, they could be absolutely huge and we are like ants to them.

    It'd be rather boring though if the only life in the universe other than us was moss lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    I usually wouldn't but I just can't explain this and wonder wtf it is ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    I usually wouldn't but I just can't explain this and wonder wtf it is ...


    2 bored airmen trying to lock on to a bird:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    A bird that can fly that fast ... and turn at 90 degrees without slowing down ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    This is very interesting audio from about a year ago where multiple commercial aircraft pilots reported an object/multiple objects over Irish airspace travelling at speeds of up to twice the speed of sound and they reported it to Irish ATC

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,706 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Ditto.

    Wonder when we'll get to Mars?

    On the way but not soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    That Shannon ATC brings to mind something I saw only a few weeks ago at the start of lockdown. It was a Saturday evening about 8 or half 8. A streak in the sky, quite like any old meteor, between the two stars of Gemini - high but towards the south. This was followed by another and a third in the same region of the sky but separated by a little distance, say a few degrees of sky. It was the perfect pulse (like a relaxed human heartbeat sort of frequency) and aligned nature of the three streaks that puzzled me and I began to contemplate the odds of a series of meteors behaving that way. About 10 seconds later another streak, quite like any old solitary meteor this time, streaked across and 20 degrees closer to the north at right angles to the pulse of three.

    I called the Mrs. out to tell her as she is mad into space stuff. She guessed something must have been breaking up - hence the three separate aligned streaks. But the perfectly balanced frequency still has me wondering. Other than that I never saw anything meaningfully weird in the night sky in all my years. I would be very slow to believe in any kind of alien spacecraft visits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    isn't Boyle Co.Roscommon a UFO hotspot ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    fryup wrote: »
    isn't Boyle Co.Roscommon a UFO hotspot ?

    No, it’s URO hot spot (unidentified rossie object).


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    fryup wrote: »
    isn't Boyle Co.Roscommon a UFO hotspot ?

    I know two lads who like to do a bit of fishing and they swear they saw something hovering over the lake near Boyle Forest park when they were out on a boat. I know they ain't lying about it because both of them said and still say the exact same thing about it still to this day. Both of them say they saw a "bright lit up door that hovered over the water and then it disappeared". The evening it happened they rang up another friend of ours to drive them back home because they were too shook. The guy who brought them home said they were terrified, totally not themselves. They've never gone back up there either. Makes no sense for them to make up the story as these lads wouldn't be the most imaginative bunch and they still act the same way anyone ever brings up the story and asks them about it.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    topper75 wrote: »
    That Shannon ATC brings to mind something I saw only a few weeks ago at the start of lockdown. It was a Saturday evening about 8 or half 8. A streak in the sky, quite like any old meteor, between the two stars of Gemini - high but towards the south. This was followed by another and a third in the same region of the sky but separated by a little distance, say a few degrees of sky. It was the perfect pulse (like a relaxed human heartbeat sort of frequency) and aligned nature of the three streaks that puzzled me and I began to contemplate the odds of a series of meteors behaving that way. About 10 seconds later another streak, quite like any old solitary meteor this time, streaked across and 20 degrees closer to the north at right angles to the pulse of three.

    I called the Mrs. out to tell her as she is mad into space stuff. She guessed something must have been breaking up - hence the three separate aligned streaks. But the perfectly balanced frequency still has me wondering.

    That sounds like Elon Musk & his Starlink . . . . .

    Timings with good visibility

    Thurs 28th May 2020, 4:23 am.

    Starlink - for 6 mins
    Look from SOUTHWEST to EAST (details)
    Elevation (from horizon): start: 10°, max: 54°, end: 10°

    Friday 29th May 2020, 3:25 am.

    Starlink - for 4 mins
    Look from SOUTHWEST to EAST (details)
    Elevation (from horizon): start: 18°, max: 35°, end: 10°

    Sat 30th May 2020, 3:59 am.

    Starlink - for 6 mins
    Look from WEST to EAST (details)
    Elevation (from horizon): start: 10°, max: 66°, end: 10°

    Ungodly hours for star gazing, but great for insomniacs & night workers, if you want to see some real (IFOs) then look up at these times to see Elon Musk's Starlink satellite train . . . . .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    A bird that can fly that fast ... and turn at 90 degrees without slowing down ...
    What 90 degree turn? The apparent speed is a trick of parallax when you zoom in and track something, its not going anywhere near as fast as you think, watch the video where he analyses it, its going at bird speed and has the size and body temperature of a bird because its a bird.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    I believe that life as we know it, or something similar, exists on infinite other planets.
    I believe that we are far more advanced evolutionary than life on some of those planets.
    I also think that more advanced civilisations exist than ours - so advanced that they have travelled to our planet.... just like we will start travelling to other planets (Mars) from the 2030s onwards.

    Sort of makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,706 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Ditto.

    Wonder when we'll get to Mars?

    On the way but not soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I think the Tuatha De Danann came on like a cload or some air boat. Does that count?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    I think the Tuatha De Danann came on like a cload or some air boat. Does that count?

    Ah now. Even Ancient Aliens brought that up. Let’s not pollute Irish mythology with this modern day grift.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I believe that life as we know it, or something similar, exists on infinite other planets.
    I believe that we are far more advanced evolutionary than life on some of those planets.
    I also think that more advanced civilisations exist than ours - so advanced that they have travelled to our planet.... just like we will start travelling to other planets (Mars) from the 2030s onwards.

    Sort of makes sense.

    This kinda sums up my beliefs too, simply by doing the maths involved.

    And also, because of the maths involved, we may never get the chance to find out if we are correct or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Ipso wrote: »
    Ah now. Even Ancient Aliens brought that up. Let’s not pollute Irish mythology with this modern day grift.
    Proceeds to pollute.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    I think the Tuatha De Danann came on like a cload or some air boat. Does that count?

    The most interesting aspect about the Tuatha De Danann myth is that it mentions a group of people coming from a seafaring boat in the first place, at a ancient age where most historians think the human race was still living up the trees.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    With 40,000,000,000 Earth-sized planets orbiting in the 'habitable zones' of Sun-like stars and red dwarfs in the Milky Way.
    Multilpy that by 150,000,000,000 galaxies in the observable universe, for longer-haul visitors.

    1 / 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    approx chance of other life in the Universe.
    Chance of winning euromillions jackpot:

    139,838,160 / 1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    buried wrote: »
    The most interesting aspect about the Tuatha De Danann myth is that it mentions a group of people coming from a seafaring boat in the first place, at a ancient age where most historians think the human race was still living up the trees.

    They are a euhemerism of celtic gods (possibly along with the Fomor). They were written as the fourth of seven waves of migration. So the other three came pre the tree dwelling stage of evolution?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Ipso wrote: »
    They are a euhemerism of celtic gods. They were written as the fourth of seven waves of migration. So the other three came pre the tree dwelling stage of evolution?

    As far as I know it the legend of them describes them as arriving on boats, Sea faring boats, as they arrived to an island from the sea. The records of these legends were first written down at a time of early Irish christianty when sea faring boats were already well known about, so that milieu at that time may have effected the recording of the event. I just find it interesting.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Sorry, I see now that my last remark was a bit snarky. It's important to note the time that these stories were written down, the first few waves seem to b linked to religious terms where the word Nemed seems to be linked to the word blessed (I wonder of it's linked to the Naomh) and have a link to Scythia, the reason Scythia is chosen is that the Scythians were supposed to be descended from Japeth who was a sonof Noah (so we have direct link to the bible. Parthenon is a variation on Bartholomew, the Tuatha de Dannan and the Fomor seem to be the older gods treated as real people where you have the Tuatha as a "light" force and the Fomor as "dark".
    The Fomor were also linked to the sea and sometimes referred to as Lachlann, which also used for vikings. This may be an attempt to denigrate the pagan vikings by linking them to a monstrous group of people.
    the Fir Bolg seem to be the best candidates for a real group, and the final group were the Milesians who came from Spain. With them you get two links to Christianity; Mil having a link to Noah and at the time Spain was a very important center of Christianity so having Irish people descend form them gives us a bit of good breeding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    buried wrote: »
    As far as I know it the legend of them describes them as arriving on boats, Sea faring boats, as they arrived to an island from the sea. The records of these legends were first written down at a time of early Irish christianty when sea faring boats were already well known about, so that milieu at that time may have effected the recording of the event. I just find it interesting.
    SPACE BOATS! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Chariots of the Gods....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Chariots of the Gods....

    Morning of the magicians, HP Lovecraft


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Ipso wrote: »
    Morning of the magicians, HP Lovecraft

    I was thinking Erich von Däniken and his 1968 book, Chariots of the Gods.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Maybe aliens planted covid 19 here

    Maybe gravity is only a theory.



    Crosby (1993) estimates that in 1967 10-15 million people were still being infected with smallpox every year

    Covid 19 is a walk in the park compared to what used to happen all year, every year. One in every nineteen Irish people carry a gene that offers some protection against only cholera at the cost of what would have been certain death back then from cystic fibrosis if you had two copies of the gene.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    I was thinking Erich von Däniken and his 1968 book, Chariots of the Gods.

    He wasn't the first to come up with that idea.
    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/charioteer-of-the-gods.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Maybe aliens planted covid 19 here
    Very unlikely...

    ...but after an extended period of Solar min, it could increase the occurance of panspermia (viruses, bacteria and strands of DNA can exists in space, carried on comets and meteorites). North East China had a small meteortie producing small amounts of airborne carbonaceous dust last October.

    Good way for Enlil (of Anu & Ea), along with the merry crew of the Anunnaki (great bunch of lads) to prepare for a good harvest in 2029.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    I've seen two in Co Clare, one near a place called Doolough near Kilmaley.
    A creepy place that's for sure.

    And another near Miltownmalbay, myself and two ladies were in the vicinity near the headland by the White Strand around 15 year's ago.

    Definitely not a drone or optical illusion, two big orbs in the sky.
    We didn't really get excited, funnily enough we didn't even report it.
    Just had a laugh about it and said who'd believe us anyhow.

    Supposedly there's a cryptoid doing well in getting noticed around Ballyvaughan/Fanore in the last few years.

    Seen by a few people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    nthclare wrote: »
    I've seen two in Co Clare, one near a place called Doolough near Kilmaley.
    A creepy place that's for sure.

    And another near Miltownmalbay, myself and two ladies were in the vicinity near the headland by the White Strand around 15 year's ago.

    Definitely not a drone or optical illusion, two big orbs in the sky.
    We didn't really get excited, funnily enough we didn't even report it.
    Just had a laugh about it and said who'd believe us anyhow.

    Supposedly there's a cryptoid doing well in getting noticed around Ballyvaughan/Fanore in the last few years.

    Seen by a few people.

    What is it supposed to be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    That sounds like Elon Musk & his Starlink . . . . .

    Thanks for posting that useful info. I was vaguely aware of the satellite train thing. What I saw that evening were successive aligned streaks in a relatively small part of a cloudless sky just after dusk. Satellites, by contrast, tend to make their way steadily across an entire arc of sky.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭Gwynplaine


    Yes. Sure how else did Marty Morrissey get here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Crop circles.

    10 or 20% man made, but who makes the rest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Crop circles.

    10 or 20% man made, but who makes the rest?

    You missed a zero after your 10... :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Given the huge number of galaxies in the universe, that we know of, and given the huge number of solar systems in them, it's almost inevitable that there are other sentient life forms out there.

    But...the distances between stars are so large that only a tiny proportion of those sentient life forms are likely to have the technology necessary to travel the huge distances. And if they did have the technology to travel those distances, they would have to have the ability to manipulate spacetime, so it's unlikely they hit a tree/got struck by lightning/etc and crash-landed in Billy-Bob's field in Buttfuck, Arkansas.

    I don't doubt that people have seen things in the sky, but I do doubt that they were extraterrestrial craft.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Once we've mastered warp drive, zero gravity, cryosleep, and found a rich seam of dilithium crystals (in a South African mine), we'll be buzzing round the galaxy with the best of them in about fifty years?

    Time travel might be a tough nut to crack :cool:
    .. tongue firmly in cheek.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    Given the huge number of galaxies in the universe, that we know of, and given the huge number of solar systems in them, it's almost inevitable that there are other sentient life forms out there.

    But...the distances between stars are so large that only a tiny proportion of those sentient life forms are likely to have the technology necessary to travel the huge distances. And if they did have the technology to travel those distances, they would have to have the ability to manipulate spacetime, so it's unlikely they hit a tree/got struck by lightning/etc and crash-landed in Billy-Bob's field in Buttfuck, Arkansas.

    I don't doubt that people have seen things in the sky, but I do doubt that they were extraterrestrial craft.


    Fair enough but what on earth are they? Especially after seeing the USN tic tac videos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    NIMAN wrote: »
    This kinda sums up my beliefs too, simply by doing the maths involved.

    And also, because of the maths involved, we may never get the chance to find out if we are correct or not.
    Yes but why would they bother fly such mind boggingly incredible distances to buzz around our skies ?



    If they have that ridiculous technology surely they could hide themselves properly ?



    Thats why that UFO annoys me that the F18's spotted in 2004, I don't want to believe it, but I can't see another explanation ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Fair enough but what on earth are they? Especially after seeing the USN tic tac videos.

    Classified military aircraft/drones probably.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Fair enough but what on earth are they? Especially after seeing the USN tic tac videos.


    The truth is we don't know, and can only speculate, but some speculations are more fact based than others.
    They could be any number of visual phenomena or sensor anomalies. For instance FLIR throws up various kinds of thermal anomalies; and previous high-speed UFOs were detected on US military radar after new systems were installed, ie when the system was bedding down and its users were less familiar with it.

    They could be released as part of a deception operation regarding experimental aircraft. The US is known to be currently developing experimental aircraft in various new major aerospace programs. Rival powers may develop counters. If sightings of UFOs exhibiting unusual characteristics are released then the rival powers have to sort the credible from the non-credible in deciding which to devote scarce resources to counter.
    Or they could be hyper-advanced aliens capable of interstellar travel who came all the way to earth merely to zoom around within sensor range of USN aircraft and do SFA else of consequence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Classified military stuff certainly explains the early 'flying saucer' encounters.

    Sam Kean's book Caesar's Last Breath, all about the impact of gases on human history, has a good account of it. Most amusing.
    Were a type of high flying U.S. military balloon for detecting Russian blast test evidence in the ionosphere. When one fell on to some guy's land he brought it to his barn and the local radio got a hold of it. The military completely made a mess of the PR around it and a flying saucer idea developed. The military thought it best to actually nourish this idea to stop any investigation or revelation on what they were actually at.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    Given the huge number of galaxies in the universe, that we know of, and given the huge number of solar systems in them, it's almost inevitable that there are other sentient life forms out there.

    But...the distances between stars are so large that only a tiny proportion of those sentient life forms are likely to have the technology necessary to travel the huge distances. And if they did have the technology to travel those distances, they would have to have the ability to manipulate spacetime, so it's unlikely they hit a tree/got struck by lightning/etc and crash-landed in Billy-Bob's field in Buttfuck, Arkansas.

    The only counter argument against life on the 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (or so) habitable planets out there, is that of 'travel logistics'.

    One has to remember humans have only moved injust 100yrs from getting barely airborne for no longer than 3mins in a farmers field, on board a shanty wooden single propeller craft. To re-usable rockets in the last few years.

    Likely some combination of nuclear thermal electric (heating liquid hydrogen), 200MW electric-ion {39days travel time} or solar-electric 50kw, strap on (chemical) rockets (or something else) at each stage in sending humans to Mars 2030-ish.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Crop circles.

    10 or 20% man made, but who makes the rest?
    Amazing how they stopped happening during the foot and mouth when travel was restricted.

    How many have been found during this lockdown ?


    It's amazing how people still believe in crop circles even after public demonstrations of how to make them using noting more complicated than string and a bit of wood.


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