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January 2019 Boards weather forecast contest

  • 29-12-2018 9:01pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭


    1. Predict the IMT (average 1981-2010 was 5.1).

    2. Predict the MAX

    3. Predict the MIN

    4. Predict the PRC (% of normal)

    5. Predict the SUN (% of normal)

    6. BONUS -- predict the first day this winter with measurable snow at any of the 25 daily stations on met.ie website. If your prediction is not in January,and you're right, you'll get a provisional score to be adjusted later. If it happens in January, final scoring will be possible. A valid forecast is "none" but the final date acceptable in the contest is 1 April (all later will be considered equal).

    If you need more information, please check the Jan 2018 thread, which was last updated on 2 Feb 2018 (on page 10 of my version of the weather forum archives).

    Deadline is 0300h 1st of January, penalties will follow the usual schedule.

    Placeholder in case I am delayed (4.0, 13.0, -10.0, 80, 120, 15 Jan)

    Normal (5.1, 14.0, -7.0, 100, 100, 15 Feb)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭derekon


    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Dacogawa 4.8, 14.1, -8.7, 110 , 103, 17 Jan

    (provisional in case I can't adjust before New Year)

    Happy New Year. Hope you all have a prosperous and wonderful 2019!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭200motels


    200motels 4.7 13.2 -8.9 111 104 19th Jan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    sdanseo _____ 4.0 _ 13.6 _ -9.0 _ 90 _ 121 _ 21/01 Casement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Bsal


    Bsal___4.8__12.8__-8.5__97__115__25 Jan


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  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭derekon


    OK, instead of just pestering MT about his winter forecast, I will put my own neck on the line, for once!

    Here goes!!

    derekon_ 3.2_14_-11_67_120_19th Jan

    Good luck to all!!

    D


  • Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Tae laidir _____ 5.3 _ 13.3 _ -6.8 _ 95 _ 95 _ 2nd Feb


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    DOCARCH _____ 5.4 _ 13.8 _ -7.2 _ 80 _ 110 _ 15 Jan Knock


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Jpmarn ________ 6.1, 14.2, -6.5, 75, 110, 25 Jan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    sryanbruen ____________ 4.9 _ 15.3 _ -7.2 _ 085 _ 120 ___ 17 Jan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭YanSno


    YanSno ___________ 6 _ 14.3 _ -6.6 _ 95 _ 110 ___ 16 Jan
    Swords


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    pauldry ____________ 5.5 _ 14.3 _ -7.7 _ 084 _ 100 ___ 28 Jan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭adam240610


    Adam240610_______4.8_13.1_-7.1_75_123_Jan 19th

    Feeling less confident with this one compared with December, could realistically go anywhere near the end of the month


  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭sunflower3


    Sunflower3.......5.0, 13.5, -5.5, 85, 90, 28 Jan

    (off topic :eek:...Happy New Year everyone....thanks very much to all who contribute so brilliantly to the forum....looking forward to (any) change in weather soon! :))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭kindredspirit


    Kindred Spirit ___ 5.4 ___ 13.9 ___ -6.8 ___ 120 ___ 90 ___ 4th of February.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Rikand ___ 5.0____ 14.0 ____ -6.0 ____ 90 ____ 120 ____ 31st jan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    john mac 4.9, 13.5, -6.3, 97, 103, 12 Jan knock


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    Artane2002 ____________ 4.1 _ 13.2 _ -8.0 _ 086 _ 117 ___ 15 Jan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭mrskinner


    Skinner----> 5_____13.6______-6.5______81______111_______Jan23


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    Joe Public _____ 4.3 _ 13.4 _ -6.9 _ 79 _ 109 _ 17th Jan


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  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭waterways


    waterways ___ 5.3 ___ 13.7 ___ -5.9 ___ 101 ___ 92 ___ 16th January


  • Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭dasa29


    dasa29 ____________ 5.0 _ 14.5 _ -5.0 _ 110 _ 110 ___ 15 Jan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    JCXBXC____________ 4.8 _ 13.3 _ -6.8 _ 085 _ 120 ___ 23 Jan


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    mickger844posts ____________ 4.4 _ 14.0 _ -5.5 _ 85 _ 90 ___ 18 Jan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    Rameire ________ 5.2, 13.7, -6.7, 95, 90, 14 Feb.

    Apologies, Merry New Year to you all especially M.T. Cranium for your continued participation in our happiness.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Table of forecasts for January 2019


    FORECASTER ____________ IMT _ MAX _ MIN _ PRC _ SUN _____ First snow


    Jpmarn _________________6.1 _ 14.2 _ --6.5 _ 075 _ 110 _____ 25 Jan

    YanSno _________________6.0 _ 14.3 _ --6.6 _ 095 _ 110 _____ 16 Jan

    pauldry _________________5.5 _ 14.3 _ --7.7 _ 084 _ 100 _____ 28 Jan

    Kindred Spirit ____________5.4 _ 13.9 _ --6.8 _ 120 _ 090 ______ 4 Feb

    DOCARCH _______________5.4 _ 13.8 _ --7.2 _ 080 _ 110 _____ 15 Jan

    waterways ______________ 5.3 _ 13.7 _ --5.9 _ 101 _ 092 _____ 16 Jan

    Tae laidir _______________ 5.3 _ 13.3 _ --6.8 _ 095 _ 095 ______ 2 Feb

    Rameire ____ (-6) ________5.2 _ 13.7 _ --6.7 _ 095 _ 090 _____ 14 Feb


    NormaL _________________5.1 _ 14.0 _ --7.0 _ 100 _ 100 _____ 15 Feb


    dasa29 _________________ 5.0 _ 14.5 _ --5.0 _ 110 _ 110 _____ 15 Jan

    Rikand _________________ 5.0 _ 14.0 _ --6.0 _ 090 _ 120 _____ 31 Jan

    MrSkinner _______________5.0 _ 13.6 _ --6.5 _ 081 _ 111 _____ 23 Jan

    Sunflower3 ______________5.0 _ 13.5 _ --5.5 _ 085 _ 090 _____ 28 Jan

    sryanbruen ______________4.9 _ 15.3 _ --7.2 _ 085 _ 120 _____ 17 Jan

    john mac _______________ 4.9 _ 13.5 _ --6.3 _ 097 _ 103 _____ 12 Jan

    Dacogawa _______________4.8 _ 14.1 _ --8.7 _ 110 _ 103 _____ 17 Jan

    JCX BXC ________________ 4.8 _ 13.3 _ --6.8 _ 085 _ 120 _____ 23 Jan


    ___ Con Sensus __________ 4.8 _ 13.7 _ --6.8 _ 086 _ 110 _____ 19 Jan


    Adam240610 ____________ 4.8 _ 13.1 _ --7.1 _ 075 _ 123 _____ 19 Jan

    Bsal ____________________4.8 _ 12.8 _ --8.5 _ 097 _ 115 _____ 25 Jan

    200motels _______________4.7 _ 13.2 _ --8.9 _ 111 _ 104 _____ 19 Jan

    mickger844posts __ (-4) ___ 4.4 _ 14.0 _ --5.5 _ 085 _ 090 _____ 18 Jan

    Joe Public _______________ 4.3 _ 13.4 _ --6.9 _ 079 _ 109 _____ 17 Jan

    Artane2002 ______________4.1 _ 13.2 _ --8.0 _ 086 _ 117 _____ 15 Jan

    sdanseo ________________ 4.0 _ 13.6 _ --9.0 _ 090 _ 121 _____ 21 Jan

    M.T. Cranium ____________ 4.0 _ 13.0 _-10.0 _ 080 _ 120 _____ 15 Jan

    derekon _________________3.2 _ 14.0 _-11.0 _ 067 _ 120 _____ 19 Jan

    BLIZZARD7 ___ (-10) ______1.7 _ 11.8 _-17.0 _ 075 _ 120 _____ 15 Jan

    __________________________________________________________

    Con Sensus now posted, for 26 entrants that is the average of 13th and 14th ranked forecasts (from top to bottom of range) as we use median rather than average for Con. We think of Con as our inevitable nemesis but it's tough to beat consensus in any forecast contest, last year only one (Pauldry) managed to do that, other years I have seen as many as four or five perhaps. Mathematically it is tough to have the number beating consensus much higher than 1 in 4. As for Normal, a poor showing in December dropped its ranking but it still managed to beat two thirds of the field, other years almost the entire field has beaten Normal who has one hand tied behind his or her back having to go with, well, average (another name for Normal) even in a month like July 2018 with heat and drought staring us in the face. Normal did well in 2018 generally because months had a nasty habit of changing regimes past the end of the 16-day model run and ending up closer to average than many thought. In fact Normal even won one month which is a sign of generally unanticipated changes.

    Welcome to two new entrants, derekon and YanSno, we're familiar with them posting on the forum and so they are having a go with us now, good luck to them and all of you.

    Looks as though we are all expecting snow sooner or later, so many chose January that I can finalize scoring this month (if it doesn't snow by 31st, the remaining three or so will get the max points). Most of us seem to think it will turn quite cold but a few are skeptical. This has worked out rather like the average ensemble set of maps you see on the GFS. No help to anyone trying to make a forecast, but interesting all the same.


    Final results (pending check against Monthly Summary for December on 3rd) posted over in the Dec 2018 thread. Congrats to Pauldry, He Who Slayed Con Sensus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    Ah I'm very late to the party, apologies-

    1.7 _ 11.8 _-17.0 _ 075 _ 120 _____ 15 Jan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    If those numbers verify you'll be able to afford the 10 points ... going over to add you to the table and calculate Con Sensus (and what does he know about weather? ... quite a bit apparently).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    We have opened the account with a MAX of 12.2 C on 1st at Newport.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    -3 in Mullingar; according to the 08:00 report 05 Jan 2019


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    John mac wrote: »
    -3 in Mullingar; according to the 08:00 report 05 Jan 2019

    -2.9c on its synop report.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    So Winter 2019 happened at 8am yesterday..

    Havent seen a temp below 5c in Sligo town yet this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The MIN is confirmed at --3.0 (yesterday's weather section met.ie).

    First snow looks to be possible 17-19 Jan from today's guidance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    12.5c Max in Finner Camp yesterday although 11PM temp in Roches Pt is 12c

    Actually its already been beaten by 13.3c yesterday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After the first week ...

    IMT on 6.8 which is 1.7 above normal.

    MAX 13.3 and MIN --3.0.

    PRC 16% of normal.

    SUN 17% of normal (102/600). Cork was still at zero (also Knock which is not part of contest grid).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After two weeks ...

    IMT on 7.5 C with the second week at 8.1 which was 2.9 above normal.

    MAX 13.3 and MIN --3.0

    PRC still very low at 17%, same as the past week.

    SUN has not improved much, 32% overall, 47% for the past week (283/600).

    First snow cannot come soon enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    I hope it snows more definitely later as there was a report at 0200h of snow showers at Dublin A but the temperature was 8 C.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Report must have been taken from an Airplane before it landed MT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    First thing to do is to see if the report survives to appear in "yesterday's weather" graphics, then compare with rest of the country. I have not been watching hourlies, did anyone see any reports of snow? Friday looks promising if not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    I notice a report of snow at Knock at 12 noon on 16th. Thinking that one might be more credible. Thoughts?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    I notice a report of snow at Knock at 12 noon on 16th. Thinking that one might be more credible. Thoughts?

    I sent a question to Knock Airport's Facebook page asking if they had any snow yesterday and the answer was no, while they could see some on Mt. Errigal in Donegal but that doesn't count.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Okay but it does say "snow showers" in the 12h report under "yesterday's weather" with a temperature of 3 C and 2.1 mm precipitation, if you click on Knock on the map provided. Maybe there was snow falling but not sticking to the ground at the time (I presume in the daytime hours these are observer generated not automated?). I can certainly believe there was no measurable snow, so perhaps the fair thing to do as the question was not worded with measurable snow as the criterion would be to wait for that and see how far apart the two occasions are, make some sort of scoring adjustment to credit either of the dates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    its snowing in many places on the leading edge of this front. surely this is it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    It looks like the rest of the month is likely to be a small bit colder than normal. I am thinking of the range of -0.5 to -1°C of normal in most areas. Maybe a greater risk of snow if you live on high ground and more northerly areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After three weeks ...

    IMT on 6.5 C, with the third week 4.6 which is 0.6 below normal for the period. This will continue to fall gradually and seems likely to end up around 5 deg. (GFS 12z suggests 5.2 end of month with 3 the average for 22nd-31st, ECM comes out closer to 5.5 with 3.8 the average rest of the way -- mild days around Thursday/Friday will prevent a larger collapse as most of the other days including today of course will be rather cold).

    MAX still 13.3 but MIN changed to --3.3 on the 21st (Mullingar). Both of these have some chance of surviving to end of the month.

    PRC was much closer to normal in the third week at 87% but with the dry start that leaves us at 40% of normal. The pattern ahead does not look much different from this past week, possibly drier again at around 50%, so I expect this element to finish up around 50%. Even a large dump of snow on the 31st (let's say) would not change this very much as it would only hit two or three of the eleven stations and snow is reduced to its liquid equivalent which could turn 20 cms snow into 20 mm "precip."

    SUN was very close to average in the third week at 99.3% (596/600) which boosts the monthly average to 54%. Here again, further slight increases seem likely and this could finish up around 75%. We need 166% of normal sunshine to reach a month end of normal (100%) from today to 31st, that is not totally unthinkable as normal amounts are only around 1.5 to 2 hours, so 3 hours a day would be required. I will speculate near normal amounts which will leave the finish at 72%.

    As to the first snow situation, clearly that has now happened but I will be checking all sources to see whether some of the marginal first reports are real or not, but there was a report last evening on 21st (at 22h) from Cork that I could cross-check with forum reports so 21st is the latest date this bonus question answer will fall. I'm hoping the MS will state something like "snow fell at ___ on the ___" and help me clear this up. The later dates in the contest are going to score lowest regardless of the decision on this as the earliest date errors are between 1 and 5 days depending on what the call is. Some guesses went into early February so their errors are over ten days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After four weeks ...

    IMT on 6.2, the fourth week averaged 5.5 which is 0.2 above normal. Should finish around 5.7 C.

    MAX and MIN remain 13.3 and --3.3. Some chance of moving MIN.

    PRC now at 49% of normal with this past week 75%. Expect this to finish near 60%.

    SUN now at 58% of normal with the past week 69% (412/600). This won't change much now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    -5C showing up in Mullingar on the 21:00 report, could go lower


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Also -5 at Dublin Airport now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    According to GL on another thread, --5.8 is our new MIN (Dublin A).

    The IMT is probably at 6.05 right now, could finish 5.9 or 6.0.

    PRC will come up a bit with this event today, but likely not enough to get much past 60%.

    Given that the weekend intrudes on the MS publication (to Monday 4th), will post provisional scoring on Friday with most elements known within a small tolerance. Still keeping an open mind on first snowfall date, but inclined to say 21st given the verified report. It wasn't much compared to recent snow but that wasn't the question so ... 21st is the likely choice unless the MS says something definite and points to a different first snow date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    According to GL on another thread, --5.8 is our new MIN (Dublin A).

    The IMT is probably at 6.05 right now, could finish 5.9 or 6.0.

    PRC will come up a bit with this event today, but likely not enough to get much past 60%.

    Given that the weekend intrudes on the MS publication (to Monday 4th), will post provisional scoring on Friday with most elements known within a small tolerance. Still keeping an open mind on first snowfall date, but inclined to say 21st given the verified report. It wasn't much compared to recent snow but that wasn't the question so ... 21st is the likely choice unless the MS says something definite and points to a different first snow date.

    https://twitter.com/meteireann/status/1090863268980314117?s=21


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