All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

castletownman · 26-06-2019 11:25am

I'm not contesting Nolan's red after the whistle. It was stupidity of the highest order, and deserves to sit out the Leinster final as a result. Big blow for Wexford and a personal blow for himself, but you can't accost a referee.

I am contesting using past discretion in the fecking Super 11's though when considering the length of his suspension. No way could that game be a determining factor when it was 11-a-side with different weighting for scores compared to normal.

Bull****.

Pogue eile · 26-06-2019 11:40am

I'm really not sure what the scoring or format has to do with it to be honest, it was an official GAA tournament and the rules are very clear, it's not as if this was introduced under hand or at the last minute, its very clear from the rulebook.

Hopefully he appeals and they double it.

Realt Dearg Sec · 26-06-2019 11:43am

castletownman wrote: »

I'm not contesting Nolan's red after the whistle. It was stupidity of the highest order, and deserves to sit out the Leinster final as a result. Big blow for Wexford and a personal blow for himself, but you can't accost a referee.

I am contesting using past discretion in the fecking Super 11's though when considering the length of his suspension. No way could that game be a determining factor when it was 11-a-side with different weighting for scores compared to normal.

Bull****.

In general I agree, that 11s thing is the textbook definition of Mickey mouse, and if they're going to start holding infractions in that against players, I would certainly like to see managers refusing to cooperate with the gaa in facilitating the event. But what was his infraction? Was it another attack on a ref? Because in that case I don't really think it matters what rules they played the game under. But if it's for something in a game that's part of the normal to and fro, then it's not right to use it now.

castletownman · 26-06-2019 11:49am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

In general I agree, that 11s thing is the textbook definition of Mickey mouse, and if they're going to start holding infractions in that against players, I would certainly like to see managers refusing to cooperate with the gaa in facilitating the event. But what was his infraction? Was it another attack on a ref? Because in that case I don't really think it matters what rules they played the game under. But if it's for something in a game that's part of the normal to and fro, then it's not right to use it now.

If I remember correctly there was a bit of a row after a late hit on a Wexford player, and was given a red for his part in it.

Didn't pay too much attention to it though because as I said it was a meaningless game.

bruschi · 26-06-2019 4:18pm

castletownman wrote: »

If I remember correctly there was a bit of a row after a late hit on a Wexford player, and was given a red for his part in it.

Didn't pay too much attention to it though because as I said it was a meaningless game.

no, that happened earlier. He got a red card for an average enough wild pull on Cian Lynch. Ref may be technically right in the red at the time, but wouldnt have happened in championship. David Reidy for Limerick also got a ridiculously harsh red in that game from Colm Lyons.

He was stupid to get a red last week, should have known a draw was enough. But for his suspension to be doubled as a result of a red card in a glorified challenge game last November that only 3 other counties participated in is ridiculous.

Pogue eile · 26-06-2019 4:22pm

bruschi wrote: »

no, that happened earlier. He got a red card for an average enough wild pull on Cian Lynch. Ref may be technically right in the red at the time, but wouldnt have happened in championship. David Reidy for Limerick also got a ridiculously harsh red in that game from Colm Lyons.

He was stupid to get a red last week, should have known a draw was enough. But for his suspension to be doubled as a result of a red card in a glorified challenge game last November that only 3 other counties participated in is ridiculous.

This is irrelevant to be honest, even if the draw had eliminated Wexford his actions were deserving of a Red card and a ban.

bruschi · 26-06-2019 4:31pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

This is irrelevant to be honest, even if the draw had eliminated Wexford his actions were deserving of a Red card and a ban.

you seem to have a particular bug bear over this. No one has said he shouldnt get a ban. I pointed out that he was stupid in the incident to be anywhere near the ref. Any abuse of the ref, particularly after a game, is fully deserving of a ban. Having the suspension doubled solely because of a glorified challenge game is the point being made here.

Pogue eile · 26-06-2019 4:39pm

bruschi wrote: »

you seem to have a particular bug bear over this. No one has said he shouldnt get a ban. I pointed out that he was stupid in the incident to be anywhere near the ref. Any abuse of the ref, particularly after a game, is fully deserving of a ban. Having the suspension doubled solely because of a glorified challenge game is the point being made here.

No bugbear at all over it, I just deplore any abuse of officials.

I think the Super 11s are a bit of a joke to be honest a gimmick if you will, but it is an official GAA competition, something that the players and counties were fully aware of, and the rules are very clear on it. If people think that's unfair then I look forward to the motions at next years congress to that affect.

What would you say if Nolan had of seriously injured a player or heaven forbid a referee in Boston, should that be completley ignored because it was a less than serious competition.

bruschi · 26-06-2019 4:44pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

No bugbear at all over it, I just deplore any abuse of officials.

I think the Super 11s are a bit of a joke to be honest a gimmick if you will, but it is an official GAA competition, something that the players and counties were fully aware of, and the rules are very clear on it. If people think that's unfair then I look forward to the motions at next years congress to that affect.

What would you say if Nolan had of seriously injured a player or heaven forbid a referee in Boston, should that be completley ignored because it was a less than serious competition.

he didnt though, a nonsense argument that has nothing at all to do with this.

And there are set rules for it if he did. Similar to getting sent off in club competitions not affecting county competitions unless its a serious incident that receives a large suspension.

Pogue eile · 27-06-2019 8:54am

bruschi wrote: »

he didnt though, a nonsense argument that has nothing at all to do with this.

And there are set rules for it if he did. Similar to getting sent off in club competitions not affecting county competitions unless its a serious incident that receives a large suspension.

Hey, now you get it!

I never said that I agreed with the rule, the original poster was saying it was bull**** and making out like it was a big injustice, while in reality it was simply applying the rules in place.

PTH2009 · 27-06-2019 2:19pm

Dont get everyone writing off Wexford for Sunday. As we knw Davy Is ultra competitive and would of learnt a lot from the group game and this could possibly be his last chance at a Leisnter final. Take TJ Reid out of the game and Kilkenny can be average

threeball · 27-06-2019 2:31pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dont get everyone writing off Wexford for Sunday. As we knw Davy Is ultra competitive and would of learnt a lot from the group game and this could possibly be his last chance at a Leisnter final. Take TJ Reid out of the game and Kilkenny can be average

I agree, this is wexfords All Ireland. I think they know themselves that winning the All Ireland is unrealistic but a Leinster would be big for them. Especially with this round robin format.

jr86 · 27-06-2019 2:37pm

threeball wrote: »

I agree, this is wexfords All Ireland. I think they know themselves that winning the All Ireland is unrealistic but a Leinster would be big for them. Especially with this round robin format.

Will be their first Leinster title since 2004 too?

In fairness leinster looked dead and buried as a province in the mid-late 00s but its really been rejuvinated with the addition of Galway, KKs decline and Dublin's emergence

There'll be some scenes if Wexford win Sunday. Will probably add to the case against scrapping provinces as they are

Pogue eile · 27-06-2019 2:43pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dont get everyone writing off Wexford for Sunday. As we knw Davy Is ultra competitive and would of learnt a lot from the group game and this could possibly be his last chance at a Leisnter final. Take TJ Reid out of the game and Kilkenny can be average

Are they? Who's everybody?

RMAOK · 27-06-2019 2:44pm

jr86 wrote: »

Will be their first Leinster title since 2004 too?

Correct - Kilkenny won 2005 - 2011, Galway won 2012, Dublin won 2013 Kilkenny won 14, 15 and 16 while galway won 17 and 18

C__MC · 27-06-2019 4:30pm

Will be wexfords first since 04 when they beat offaly, they took out kk in the semi that year with a last minute goal. If you think Davy is compedative, watch Cody's reaction when wexford score the winning goal in 2004. Sums up the man.

The general thinking seems to be kk players have more improvement from the last day and that tactically they now have wexford with Walsh sweeping and short passing. And also TJ wont be as bad again.

I think Davy will pull a fast one for this game, what I dont know. Wexfords running game is causing kk all sorts of problems as well. I don't know why but I really do think wexfords forwards can turn this game on its head if they click. Kk forwards to me are still so unpredictable bar TJ, I'm not convinced. Both teams will be confident but I'm tipping wexford to win

Rasputin11 · 27-06-2019 6:27pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Are they? Who's everybody?

Standard underdog pre match stuff!! As old as the GAA itself.

Pogue eile · 28-06-2019 10:14am

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Standard underdog pre match stuff!! As old as the GAA itself.

But the poster in question is from Waterford if Im not mistaken. Bookies have them very slight underdog, 2 point is the handicap spread which is a fair reflection I would think. Most press I have read or listened to are buidling it up as a real 50/50 battle.

bruschi · 28-06-2019 1:20pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

But the poster in question is from Waterford if Im not mistaken. Bookies have them very slight underdog, 2 point is the handicap spread which is a fair reflection I would think. Most press I have read or listened to are buidling it up as a real 50/50 battle.

I dont think anyone is writing off Wexford. I'm from Wexford and had money on them to win Leinster since before the championship started. I dont expect to beat Kilkenny, however I would be disappointed to lose. I think they have the ability and form to be able to win, whether they produce it on the day is another thing. But it will be certainly more competitive than the last time we played them in a Leinster final when we were turning up to get hammered out the gate (last one being 11 years ago losing by 19 points)

Pogue eile · 28-06-2019 2:17pm

bruschi wrote: »

I dont think anyone is writing off Wexford. I'm from Wexford and had money on them to win Leinster since before the championship started. I dont expect to beat Kilkenny, however I would be disappointed to lose. I think they have the ability and form to be able to win, whether they produce it on the day is another thing. But it will be certainly more competitive than the last time we played them in a Leinster final when we were turning up to get hammered out the gate (last one being 11 years ago losing by 19 points)

Percisely and the text in bold is excellently put, I am sure the KK posters here would say the exact same thing. Incidentally its exaclty how I would call the Munster Final as a Tipp man as well.

Bonniedog · 28-06-2019 9:36pm

I would imagine the Munster final might be a bit of a false war. As a Dub it gives me no pleasure to recognise that - assuming we beat Laois or Westmeath - that it be regarded as the easiest of the quarter finals for Tipp/Limerick in Thurles.

Leinster final should have a bit more bite, given that winning be huge prize for Wexford, and a semi final spot to avoid the trickier side of the draw.

McDonagh itself is hard to call, and still of opinion that their having to turn out a week later serves little purpose.

Joe_ Public · 29-06-2019 10:53am

Dunno, a full house in Limerick, both teams fielding strongest possible line-ups, imperative for Limerick not to lose a third match of the summer. From a Tipperary perspective, i'd much rather avoid a q/f if at all possible. Have much respect for this Dublin team.

Mushy · 29-06-2019 4:50pm

Odd request here...is anyone travelling from Donegal down to the game? Or to limerick in general? Have sudden car trouble, I'm also in possession of mine and my cousins ticket which is a disaster as for once I got a hardcopy version in Centra

blackwhite · 29-06-2019 11:11pm

Anyone know if ticket office in Dorset St will be selling tickets for Leinster Final tomorrow?

No mention on Leinster gaa website

Bonniedog · 29-06-2019 11:21pm

I would doubt it. There is a ticket office on North circular at Gills at top of Jones Road. You will get tickets there.

windy shepard henderson · 30-06-2019 1:50am

Mushy wrote: »

Odd request here...is anyone travelling from Donegal down to the game? Or to limerick in general? Have sudden car trouble, I'm also in possession of mine and my cousins ticket which is a disaster as for once I got a hardcopy version in Centra

i imagine this nightmare scenario has since passed ?

windy shepard henderson · 30-06-2019 1:51am

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Dunno, a full house in Limerick, both teams fielding strongest possible line-ups, imperative for Limerick not to lose a third match of the summer. From a Tipperary perspective, i'd much rather avoid a q/f if at all possible. Have much respect for this Dublin team.

i imagine this is how both teams will look at it , too hard to call from a neutral point of view , a defeat for either side could set them back for the year

Mushy · 30-06-2019 8:04am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i imagine this nightmare scenario has since passed ?

Cousin got himself sorted, but I've to watch on tv. Does that equate as passed?

lawred2 · 30-06-2019 8:06am

My first ever Leinster final today. Taking the Scottish father in law along. Looking forward to it. Hopefully Wexford out it up to the cats again. Presume they'll bring a big crowd.

conor05 · 30-06-2019 8:47am

lawred2 wrote: »

My first ever Leinster final today. Taking the Scottish father in law along. Looking forward to it. Hopefully Wexford out it up to the cats again. Presume they'll bring a big crowd.

Get ready to see massive wave of Purple and Gold the most passionate hurling supporters in Ireland descend upon Croke Park!

45k coming from Loch Gorman, up the yellowbellies!

BloodyBill · 30-06-2019 8:49am

Bonniedog wrote: »

I would imagine the Munster final might be a bit of a false war. As a Dub it gives me no pleasure to recognise that - assuming we beat Laois or Westmeath - that it be regarded as the easiest of the quarter finals for Tipp/Limerick in Thurles.

Leinster final should have a bit more bite, given that winning be huge prize for Wexford, and a semi final spot to avoid the trickier side of the draw.

McDonagh itself is hard to call, and still of opinion that their having to turn out a week later serves little purpose.

No such thing as a 'false war' Munster final. I can u understand your logic in thinking the loser is still in with a great shot and they are but they ll both bust a gut for this win. It's the second most important title in Hurling.

BloodyBill · 30-06-2019 8:52am

Mushy wrote: »

Cousin got himself sorted, but I've to watch on tv. Does that equate as passed?

How come you didn't get the Bus down..? Its an awful pity that you didn't. You've 2 tickets aswell. Terrible shame.

golfball37 · 30-06-2019 9:02am

I fancy Tipperary to win very well today. They were much more impressive beating us than Limerick were, we downed tools v Limerick away from home but Tipp beat us playing into a gale in Ennis where we’ve only lost twice in 18 games previous.
They have better more natural hurlers than limerick and assuming they match limerick intensity wise then this will be the deciding factor. Hope our minors can learn from the last game in the GG and win an overdue Munster title too.

lawred2 · 30-06-2019 9:14am

conor05 wrote: »

Get ready to see massive wave of Purple and Gold the most passionate hurling supporters in Ireland descend upon Croke Park!

45k coming from Loch Gorman, up the yellowbellies!

Excellent. Should make for a good atmosphere. Nothing worse than two thirds empty Croke Park.

Usually a frequenter of the Munster final so excited to see a Leinster final.

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-06-2019 9:18am

lawred2 wrote: »

Excellent. Should make for a good atmosphere. Nothing worse that two thirds empty Croke Park.

Usually a frequenter of the Munster final so excited to see a Leinster final.

45 from Wexford could still mean only 50 total.

lawred2 · 30-06-2019 9:19am

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

45 from Wexford could still mean only 50 total.

Lol

That's still more than half

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-06-2019 9:19am

lawred2 wrote: »

Lol

That's still more than half

Sorry, I read it wrong as ⅔ full.

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-06-2019 9:31am

What is everyone expecting from the Munster anyway? Are both teams going to be bothered about winning or are we going to get something like a couple of weeks ago? At this stage you'd think anyone with designs on winning the whole thing would rather a warm up hammering of Dublin/Laois/Weatmeath rather than going completely cold by the time a semi rolls around.

_

Nickindublin · 30-06-2019 9:35am

I think both finals are too close to call. You can make a case for any of the teams. I do think that there is more pressure on Wexford and Limerick to win from a fans point.

As a cat I expect us to win but I would not be confident. I think it will be down to match ups and maybe the bench. I hope too see a good team performance over 70mins. For KK losing and going via the quarter finals may not be the worst thing as some of our players need more game time. I am just going for KK as I think goals win games and they might get one in a low to average scoring game.

In Munster I think its a close call too. I think Tipp have the best set of forwards in the country but the loss of Maher is major blow to that forward line. Limerick on the other hand have a far better bench. I think Tipp will want to take the shortest route possible to Croke Park as there bench has not been tested yet. If Tipp can find a couple of players to fill the gap of these losses and win today they will take an awful lot of stopping but I am going for Limerick as they are at home and Tipp have lost 2 key players. I think this will be a high scoring game with posiibly 5 or more goals.

Mushy · 30-06-2019 9:38am

BloodyBill wrote: »

How come you didn't get the Bus down..? Its an awful pity that you didn't. You've 2 tickets aswell. Terrible shame.

Public transport from Donegal ain't too great on a Sunday. Getting back be an even bigger nightmare. Have to try get car sorted first thing tomorrow morning cos heading to Doolin on Tuesday for rest of the week

I'm still raging. The poor in-laws trying to make me feel better! At least it's a genuine reason, and I'm never buying hardcopy again

conor05 · 30-06-2019 9:47am

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

lawred2 wrote: »

Lol

That's still more than half

Sorry, I read it wrong as ⅔ full.

I think they are expecting between 63-65k for the Leinster final.

45k Wexford
15k Kilkenny
3-5k neutral

It’s going to be some battle. I am just praying we are still in the game with 55-60mins gone and go at Kilkenny for the last 10.

We will never get a better chance to win it with Galway out, but Wexford know better than most that the cats are very hard bet in any final at any grade.

threeball · 30-06-2019 9:56am

Tipp have Limericks number in my opinion but Limerick desperately need to win today. A 3rd loss this year would drain the confidence badly as would losing to Tipp twice.
For me it's down to how badly Tipp want this. The forwards were not on song 2 weeks ago and they won pulling up. Desire has a huge influence on the outcome of Gaelic games so the greater need for limerick might slightly favour them if Tipp aren't going all out.

castletownman · 30-06-2019 10:12am

I remember as a young boy
From the back of the stand
As the sun was setting
We watched the boys of Wexford fight with heart and hand.

Nervous as heck today. Quietly optimistic that we can bridge a 15-year gap but fully aware that Kilkenny are the one team you don't want to face in any final.

Match-ups will be key. Obviously, limiting TJ's influence from play will be critical again, but if we can somehow occupy Padraig Walsh (perhaps drag him in to full-back where he isn't as comfortable) and force one of their less experienced hurlers into that free-man role, it could have a crucial bearing on the result.

Wexford's sweeper surely won't be as sloppy again, and our forwards are as equally capable of turning it on in Croker as Kilkenny's, despite the assumption in the wider media that its only advantage Cats in that regard.

Cannot wait for the occasion though. Should be carnival.

Bonniedog · 30-06-2019 10:15am

BloodyBill wrote: »

No such thing as a 'false war' Munster final. I can u understand your logic in thinking the loser is still in with a great shot and they are but they ll both bust a gut for this win. It's the second most important title in Hurling.

Well, I can think of some pretty dull Munster finals in recent years. Like all the provincial championships in both sports it too has lost much of its allure.

On reflection, however, a third defeat for Limerick would be a disaster. Even if they did manage to regroup and reclaim the title, it would be undermined. You would also imagine that they must catch fire at some stage, so perhaps today.

So I shall withdraw the "false war" bit, in anticipation of hopefully a blood and thunder affair

BloodyBill · 30-06-2019 11:24am

golfball37 wrote: »

I fancy Tipperary to win very well today. They were much more impressive beating us than Limerick were, we downed tools v Limerick away from home but Tipp beat us playing into a gale in Ennis where we’ve only lost twice in 18 games previous.
They have better more natural hurlers than limerick and assuming they match limerick intensity wise then this will be the deciding factor. Hope our minors can learn from the last game in the GG and win an overdue Munster title too.

Clare always back Tipperary to beat anyone,including themselves. It's a terrible attitude. Limerick will always give superior Tipp teams plenty of 'it'. And at the moment Limerick have the players to match up just fine against Tipp. So it ll be full metal Jacket. If Tipperary win today, then they ll have earned it. I cant see it myself.

Justin10 · 30-06-2019 11:31am

In the premium for the Leinster final today, I assume the Munster final will be on the tvs, and not the Laois Westmeath game?

Bonniedog · 30-06-2019 11:55am

Rochey18 wrote: »

In the premium for the Leinster final today, I assume the Munster final will be on the tvs, and not the Laois Westmeath game?

Be watching the Tipp game with my Da who has not been fully culturally assimilated

, but wouldn't mind seeing the McDonagh final either. Should be good game and of course we play the winners next day.

Justin10 · 30-06-2019 12:18pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Rochey18 wrote: »

In the premium for the Leinster final today, I assume the Munster final will be on the tvs, and not the Laois Westmeath game?

Be watching the Tipp game with my Da who has not been fully culturally assimilated , but wouldn't mind seeing the McDonagh final either. Should be good game and of course we play the winners next day.

Was hoping the munster final be on the tvs and could keep an eye on the Joe McDonagh though the glass. Be ideal really

TCM · 30-06-2019 12:20pm

Rochey18 wrote:

In the premium for the Leinster final today, I assume the Munster final will be on the tvs, and not the Laois Westmeath game?

Laois match is on tg4

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-06-2019 12:24pm

TCM wrote: »

Laois match is on tg4

It's not listed on the EPG or website schedule for TG4 today. Might be online only.

https://www.tg4.ie/en/irish-tv-schedule/

All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

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