Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

noodler · 10-02-2019 5:37pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

Tinfoil hat on : Send around 20 odd protesters - look for sympathy . Gets the eye and a bit of heat off you regarding the children's hospital scandal and the nurse and midwife strike. Just saying .

Just saying that's stupid.

eagle eye · 10-02-2019 5:38pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

He hasn't been there for eight years though. Reilly was responsible for a lot of cuts, bad cuts that cost lives.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

There's an often-times middle class fixation with Ã©tiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies *shrug*

Why not outside Varadkar's house then?
I think picking the house of a man with a baby less than two months old is really bad form.

10-02-2019 5:39pm

Juanito13 wrote: »

People are actively dying because of simon harris? Talk about Hyperbole

No, it's Healthcare Economics 101. We all know that economic decisions made in the provision of healthcare governance will affect health outcomes and mortality rates, the issue here is that decisions are being traded in favour of middle-class votes, ie tax reductions vs appropriate healthcare.

wrangler · 10-02-2019 5:39pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Health service and those in it is the problem, has been for more than eight years.
After the Mc Cabe episode none is going to highlight the problems or maybe everyone is on the gravytrain

sabat · 10-02-2019 5:40pm

Is this the same poor babby he posted a picture of moments after it was born on his twitter account where he also promotes himself and announces government policy?

tikkahunter · 10-02-2019 5:41pm

noodler wrote: »

Just saying that's stupid.

So is spending 1.6 billion on a childerns hospital which could have been built for a 1/4 of that on a greenfield site .So there you go.

10-02-2019 5:43pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Never said it was a conspiracy, just voicing my opinion that it's convenient considering the pressure Harris is under and his forthcoming apology to the Dail. Funny though the protesters left before the Guards came and no footage of the protest anywhere online that I can see. Alan Kelly had a similar experience I believe.

Video footage is easily accessible with a few clicks on Facebook.

lbc2019 · 10-02-2019 5:43pm

Covering their faces... what have they got to hide???

lbc2019 · 10-02-2019 5:44pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

So is spending 1.6 billion on a childerns hospital which could have been built for a 1/4 of that on a greenfield site .So there you go.

where?

super_furry · 10-02-2019 5:44pm

The Fingal Batallion? What class of gob****es are these? Sound like fringe Republicans.

Ulysses Gaze · 10-02-2019 5:46pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Covering their faces... what have they got to hide???

The Fingal Battalion Against Austerity....

Homer · 10-02-2019 5:46pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, it's Healthcare Economics 101. We all know that economic decisions made in the provision of healthcare governance will affect health outcomes and mortality rates, the issue here is that decisions are being traded in favour of middle-class votes, ie tax reductions vs appropriate healthcare.

If it’s that simple why don’t you run for government and fix the problem instead of being a keyboard warrior and telling people that scummy behaviour of turning up outside a mans home whose wife just had a brand new baby is ok? :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 10-02-2019 5:48pm

lbc2019 wrote:

Covering their faces... what have they got to hide???

Wow that's some massive protest there, 11 people. Most identifiable as their faces can be seen in the photo.

10-02-2019 5:49pm

Homer wrote: »

If it’s that simple why don’t you run for government and fix the problem instead of being a keyboard warrior and telling people that scummy behaviour of turning up outside a mans home whose wife just had a brand new baby is ok? :rolleyes:

Yeah, nobody criticise the Government unless you yourself have been elected to it!

That sounds like a sound notion, not in the least anti democratic! Keep it up, mate.

NIMAN · 10-02-2019 5:49pm

They have f all to do with their time.

This is out of order.

tikkahunter · 10-02-2019 5:49pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

where?

Blanchardstown .Accessible from the M50 and fro people that have to travel from the country. The new central rehabilitation hospital was priced at 70 million and is coming in over at 71 million as it was planned , tendered and built correctly.

ted1 · 10-02-2019 5:50pm

eagle eye wrote: »

So standing outside their homes is a no go?
If it's in any way violent or aggressive or if they enter his property then yes I agree it's not on.
But if they simply protest outside his property then it's a bit different.
I don't know much about the man but maybe it's impossible to get his attention by protesting anywhere else.
Let's be clear here, I'm not backing these people just taking the other side, sorta...
Does he have a constituency office, could that be located at his house?

I’m not racist...but..

Yeah you are backing these scum

Robert Wolfe · 10-02-2019 5:51pm

Just a bunch of ****ing losers.

astrofool · 10-02-2019 5:51pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, it's Healthcare Economics 101. We all know that economic decisions made in the provision of healthcare governance will affect health outcomes and mortality rates, the issue here is that decisions are being traded in favour of middle-class votes, ie tax reductions vs appropriate healthcare.

Healthcare economics 101 always says we spend more per capita on health than almost any other developed country in the world, the problem is not the minister in charge, or the amount of money they're being given (witness the billions FF pumped in resulting in 0 improvements), the problem is in the entire health service top to bottom, from the endless duplicated administrators, to the frontline and their endless allowances, then the fact that the unions want to keep them all employed and use the hard working employees as reasons to get the rest onto the gravy train. And anytime changes are planned or mooted, they all down sticks to keep it the way it is. The healthcare workers actively vote to keep it this way.

TheRiverman · 10-02-2019 5:51pm

shafty100 wrote: »

On what grounds would you jail people for having a peacefull protest, thats totally unjustified.harris and his fellow dictators have imposed endless hardship on people and people have had enough. The next general will hopefully get rid of these parasites.

I totally agree with you about the endless hardship,but interfering with his private life is out of order,and the ironic thing about it is,he will now probably get 24 hr protection from the Gardai at his house which will cost the taxpayer more.

ricero · 10-02-2019 5:51pm

I'm shocked he has a wife and child as I always presumed he was gay

Gimme A Pound · 10-02-2019 5:54pm

So disgustingly scummy to defend/downplay this, or to say "that's convenient" rather than be bothered about such behaviour at a family home where there is a baby.

mad muffin · 10-02-2019 5:54pm

super_furry wrote: »

What kind of braindead gob****es are they? Instead of the nurses strike, the children's hospital or the smear-test scandal, tomorrow everyone will be talking about Harris being trapped inside his house with new-born child while a gang of thugs try to make some half-arsed point.

They take the spotlight off what he should be doing, they garner him massive sympathy and ultimately, help him keep his job.

Now that you’ve put it down in writing and I read it over… it makes me wonder…

Did Simon Harris organise this? Naaaaah…

Homer · 10-02-2019 5:55pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yeah, nobody criticise the Government unless you yourself have been elected to it!

That sounds like a sound notion, not in the least anti democratic! Keep it up, mate.

Trust me.. with your attitude I would be FAR from ever being your “mate”

ted1 · 10-02-2019 5:57pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

So is spending 1.6 billion on a childerns hospital which could have been built for a 1/4 of that on a greenfield site .So there you go.

The whole point is it can’t be built in a greenfield site. It needs to be beside an adult hospital where all the consultants are based.

If your a
Mother after giving birth and end up with something going wrong a hospital built on a greenfield site isn’t much use

eagle eye · 10-02-2019 5:57pm

ted1 wrote:

Iâ€™m not racist...but..
Yeah you are backing these scum

No I'm not. Clearly you have reading skills.

10-02-2019 5:58pm

astrofool wrote: »

Healthcare economics 101 always says we spend more per capita on health than almost any other developed country in the world,

Well that's just wrong. We're one of the lowest spenders on Health as a percentage of GDP inside the OECD. I think you may be thinking of per capita spending.

the problem is not the minister in charge, or the amount of money they're being given (witness the billions FF pumped in....

Sorry, I'm not here to waste time with anyone shilling FG, or FF for that matter. This Government has held power for eight years, and have presided over colossal waste in public money, as well as colossal shortcomings in delivery.

This Government's policies result in people dying unnecessarily prematurely, as well as people dying on trolleys and on hospital wards without a modicum of dignity. I'm really struggling here to have any sympathy with some middle-class notion that such situations are acceptable, but a minister's Sunday afternoon is beyond the pale.

TallGlass · 10-02-2019 5:58pm

Homer wrote: »

If it’s that simple why don’t you run for government and fix the problem instead of being a keyboard warrior and telling people that scummy behaviour of turning up outside a mans home whose wife just had a brand new baby is ok? :rolleyes:

In fairness. We pay these people to do it. They are elected. We don't need to be politicians to have an option. It just so happens there are a few major balls ups on the cards and he is the minister, he needs to start getting a grip on the situations or hand it over to someone else.

I doubt he is responsible for half the messes but he isn't handling all this very well.

Mongfinder General · 10-02-2019 5:59pm

Well done dick heads. That's at least one FG td guaranteed reelection. RTE will have a massive horn covering this on the news tonight.

flazio · 10-02-2019 5:59pm

The so called leaders of the opposition should come out and condemn this sort of behaviour, especially socialists. But they'll probably deny it ever happened.

ebbsy · 10-02-2019 5:59pm

Wicklow is where all the beautiful people come from.

UP THE GARDEN

McMurphy · 10-02-2019 6:00pm

Poor Simon was handed a poisoned chalice getting the health gig.

I blame the incompetence he is dealing with on his predecessor.

10-02-2019 6:00pm

Homer wrote: »

Trust me.. with your attitude I would be FAR from ever being your “mate”

I'm distraught, mate

lbc2019 · 10-02-2019 6:01pm

ricero wrote: »

I'm shocked he has a wife and child as I always presumed he was gay

Why???

batgoat · 10-02-2019 6:02pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, it's Healthcare Economics 101. We all know that economic decisions made in the provision of healthcare governance will affect health outcomes and mortality rates, the issue here is that decisions are being traded in favour of middle-class votes, ie tax reductions vs appropriate healthcare.

The nurses protesting would not picket somebody's home as they view it as unacceptable. The people protesting outside of his home are pricks.

Homer · 10-02-2019 6:02pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm distraught, mate

Again with the keyboard warrior crap.. you wouldn’t say that stuff to to my face so p!ss off and don’t do it from the safety of your armchair, mate!

TallGlass · 10-02-2019 6:02pm

ted1 wrote: »

The whole point is it can’t be built in a greenfield site. It needs to be beside an adult hospital where all the consultants are based.

If your a
Mother after giving birth and end up with something going wrong a hospital built on a greenfield site isn’t much use

I'm sure they are going have fully dedicated positions in the hospital provided they can fill them. I'd hardly say they will have doctors and consultants running between two hospitals?

ted1 · 10-02-2019 6:03pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Poor Simon was handed a poisoned chalice getting the health gig.

I blame the incompetence he is dealing with on his predecessor.

Michael Martin set up the hse. Never forget

tikkahunter · 10-02-2019 6:03pm

ted1 wrote: »

The whole point is it can’t be built in a greenfield site. It needs to be beside an adult hospital where all the consultants are based.

If your a
Mother after giving birth and end up with something going wrong a hospital built on a greenfield site isn’t much use

Blachardstown hospital ??? The new maternity Hospital is going there so all could have been on the one site.Plenty of room.

Omackeral · 10-02-2019 6:04pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Funny though the protesters left before the Guards came and no footage of the protest anywhere online that I can see.

Shown a picture of said protesters.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Wow that's some massive protest there, 11 people.

Change the argument.

Juanito13 · 10-02-2019 6:04pm

ted1 wrote: »

The whole point is it can’t be built in a greenfield site. It needs to be beside an adult hospital where all the consultants are based.

If your a
Mother after giving birth and end up with something going wrong a hospital built on a greenfield site isn’t much use

It should have been co-located with the new maternity hospital. Currently if a child is born in a maternity hospital and requires cardiac surgery, they go to crumlin.
There is also a much bigger crossover in care between neonates and paeds than between paeds and adults. Paediatric consulatants specialise in kids, they dont go near adults.

McMurphy · 10-02-2019 6:04pm

Homer wrote: »

Again with the keyboard warrior crap.. you wouldn’t say that stuff to to my face so p!ss off and don’t do it from the safety of your armchair, mate!

Jesus Homer, relax.

flazio · 10-02-2019 6:04pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Poor Simon was handed a poisoned chalice getting the health gig.

I blame the incompetence he is dealing with on his predecessor.

Predecessors, plural.
Come to think of it, have we ever had a universally liked Minister for Health in the history of the state? Probably have to go back to the days when smoking tobacco wasn't a big deal.

mzungu · 10-02-2019 6:04pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, it's Healthcare Economics 101. We all know that economic decisions made in the provision of healthcare governance will affect health outcomes and mortality rates, the issue here is that decisions are being traded in favour of middle-class votes, ie tax reductions vs appropriate healthcare.

There are a plethora GP visit cards that are given out on a yearly basis (numbers rising). That has no doubt saved lives. The man can't be lumped with responsibility for all the deaths that have occurred over the past few years.

Politicians family lives should be out of bounds. This sets a bad precedent and it is only a matter of time before things like this get out of hand. That's the thing about mobs, they are easy to whip up into a frenzy, not so easy to reason with after.

I do accept in this case they all left peacefully when the Gardaí arrived, but that's not the point. Everybody should have their privacy respected. The man is not a criminal.

ted1 · 10-02-2019 6:04pm

TallGlass wrote: »

I'm sure they are going have fully dedicated positions in the hospital provided they can fill them. I'd hardly say they will have doctors and consultants running between two hospitals?

They wouldn’t have the same staff available on a greenfield site. You don’t keep consultants in stand by.

Co location sites allow for very fast transfers if both staff and patients

10-02-2019 6:05pm

batgoat wrote: »

The nurses protesting would not picket somebody's home as they view it as unacceptable. The people protesting outside of his home are pricks.

why should it be unacceptable? The nurses' case is that the Minister's policy is risking patient safety and damaging mortality rates.

I think we need to address our bizarre fixation with etiquette, and focus on real priorities, like making sure that people don't die for lack of access to healthcare...

Homer wrote: »

Again with the keyboard warrior crap.. you wouldn’t say that stuff to to my face so p!ss off and don’t do it from the safety of your armchair, mate!

I would, though, mate. ☺

tikkahunter · 10-02-2019 6:06pm

ted1 wrote: »

They wouldn’t have the same staff available on a greenfield site. You don’t keep consultants in stand by.

Co location sites allow for very fast transfers if both staff and patients

which is why it should have been Blanch , Connolly hospital already there and the new maternity hospital going on that site as well.

ted1 · 10-02-2019 6:06pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

Blachardstown hospital ??? The new maternity Hospital is going there so all could have been on the one site.Plenty of room.

New national maternity hospital is going to Vincent’s

Blanch would be a brownfield site, not a greenfield site.

Plumbthedepths · 10-02-2019 6:08pm

Omackeral wrote:

Shown a picture of said protesters.

First picture i've seen of said protest. Considering the reaction here I was expecting 100's of protesters with pitchforks and burning torches.

Homer · 10-02-2019 6:09pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I would, though, mate. ☺

Yep the radio mod is a right hard lad I would guess

Anyway rather than drag this off topic, drop me a PM if you would like me to call to discuss mate.

Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

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