Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

blanch152 · 20-11-2019 3:23pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Bailey isn't going to let this go. We know she's fond of claims likely litigious too. It's the FG ingrained sense of self entitlement.
Leo is in a dodgy spot. He said she was exonerated and the party line was she paid the price etc. So she's got the material for a fight back.

What is she going to do?

riemann · 20-11-2019 3:34pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Did Kenny ask any hard questions? I doubt he did as he’s one of the entitled himself,

Fond of a lawsuit too

Snow Garden · 20-11-2019 3:34pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Said "you'd need to have a heart of stone not to feel sorry for Maria" - but in the next breath refused to give any indication of whether or not she felt she should have been removed from the ticket.

She similarly brushed away questions relating to Verona Murphy.

I had no more typed out that initial post, when what should pop up on my news feed?

Maria Bailey questions process which saw her deselected

Interesting article. It suggests removing her from the ticket was all Leo's doing. He must be fuming he did not deal with it at the start.
And he didn't even give a reason for de-selecting her. I hope she comes out fighting.
6 months+ of very bad press leading into an election.

ChikiChiki · 20-11-2019 3:37pm

The lack of self awareness and sense of entitlement beggers belief. Very worrying that this is the mindset of an Irish politician.

She basically thinks she should be let away with trying to break the law.

tayto lover · 20-11-2019 3:47pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

The lack of self awareness and sense of entitlement beggers belief. Very worrying that this is the mindset of an Irish politician.

She basically thinks she should be let away with trying to break the law.

Typical politician. Necks like a jockey’s *******.

James Brown · 20-11-2019 3:47pm

blanch152 wrote: »

What is she going to do?

Still no opinion either way?

Anyway....

McBrearty considering suing Fine Gael for ‘trauma’ over dispute
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mcbrearty-considering-suing-fine-gael-for-trauma-over-dispute-1.3912779

'I would like to thank God': Jubilant Perry added to Fine Gael election ticket after court battle
https://www.thejournal.ie/john-perry-fine-gael-3-2516053-Dec2015/

Not sure Blanch... off you go and regroup.

It wasnt me123 · 20-11-2019 3:53pm

How can they say she was exonerated

She lied on legal documents
She lied in her statement that she couldn't do her normal hobbies - like running - but then ran a 10K race 3 weeks later

She's a proven liar - she should go quietly

Snow Garden · 20-11-2019 4:03pm

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

How can they say she was exonerated

She lied on legal documents
She lied in her statement that she couldn't do her normal hobbies - like running - but then ran a 10K race 3 weeks later

She's a proven liar - she should go quietly

To be fair Alan Farrell lied about his car damage and 18 months of whiplash pain after a 'collision' from a car rolling into him at 5mph. He won 2,500 Euro even though there were pictures of him up a ladder hanging posters soon after the incident. He is still a Fine Gael TD.

Fine Gael TD Alan Farrell alleged he would have to have more than €880 worth of repairs done to his car following a minor collision - but later dropped a claim for material damage after photos of the vehicle were shown in court.

Mr Farrell was awarded €2,500 for his injuries, but Judge Coghlan said there was "little or no notation to back up a claim of significant whiplash".

Double standards again from the Insurance Fraud party.

McMurphy · 20-11-2019 4:09pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Did Kenny ask any hard questions? I doubt he did as he’s one of the entitled himself,

Tbf mother Madigan was on the show to talk about priests etc, and he didn't let Josepha just slither away at the end like I think she would like to have done, he actually asked for her to remain where she was so as he could ask her about two other very important questions he had.

Verona Murphy

Maria Bailey.

Madigan didn't sound very comfortable answering either tbh.

jmreire · 20-11-2019 6:00pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

To be fair Alan Farrell lied about his car damage and 18 months of whiplash pain after a 'collision' from a car rolling into him at 5mph. He won 2,500 Euro even though there were pictures of him up a ladder hanging posters soon after the incident. He is still a Fine Gael TD.

Double standards again from the Insurance Fraud party.

It was €2500 PLUS COST's........and the costs came to much more than the award. Had Farrell lost the case, he would have been responsible fo the costs himself....draw your own conclusion's !!!

Muahahaha · 20-11-2019 6:09pm

WishUWereHere wrote: »

I don’t do tweets so plead ignorance. Has Niamh retweeted explaining her plane of thought?

She gave a defence of the article on the Tonight Show along the lines that Bailey has been bullied for six months and that she is a mother of two children so thats not on, blah, blah, blah. Ivan Yates basically laughed at Horan and said politics is a rough game and if you cant stand the heat in the kitchen then get out. Horan is clearly sucking up to Maria in the hope of getting an 'exclusive interview' with her where we hear how unfairly poor Maria was treated. Expect the mental health excuse to get trotted out when this happens.

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Tbf mother Madigan was on the show to talk about priests etc, and he didn't let Josepha just slither away at the end like I think she would like to have done, he actually asked for her to remain where she was so as he could ask her about two other very important questions he had.

Verona Murphy

Maria Bailey.

Madigan didn't sound very comfortable answering either tbh.

What did Mother Madigan say about priests? I know Mary McAlesse seems to be in a race to be Irelands first ever female priest but the good Mother has already beaten her to it by saying mass in Mount Merrion church when the parish priest didnt bother show up, he was probably sick of listening to aul ones moaning about their bunions. The poor parishioners/voters were very disappointed so Mother Madigan led them into salvation and said mass for them. I heard she gives a good mass, she really knows how to work the alter. And her confessions shall remain sacrosanct, unless of course Bailey leaks them :pac:

James Brown · 20-11-2019 6:18pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

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What did Mother Madigan say about priests? I know Mary McAlesse seems to be in a race to be Irelands first ever female priest but the good Mother has already beaten her to it by saying mass in Mount Merrion church when the parish priest didnt bother show up, he was probably sick of listening to aul ones moaning about their bunions. The poor parishioners/voters were very disappointed so Mother Madigan led them into salvation and said mass for them. I heard she gives a good mass, she really knows how to work the alter. And her confessions shall remain sacrosanct, unless of course Bailey leaks them :pac:

Hold your whist....

Catherine Byrne
Byrne was appointed Minister of State for Communities and the National Drugs Strategy. Upon Leo Varadkar's appointment as Taoiseach, she was appointed also, as Minister of State for Health Promotion in June 2017....

Byrne was leader of St. Michael's Folk/Gospel Group for 15 years and has completed a two-year Lay Ministry Course in All Hallows College, and also holds a Diploma in Catering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Byrne_(Irish_politician)

McMurphy · 21-11-2019 11:09am

A letter that triggers alarm bells for Fine Gael

Had been reading a few articles via twitter and how the decision to delete Bailey came about, and how it contrasts with the VM saga.

Apparently secret internal polling has had a direct impact on both of their predicaments.

Leo himself admitted it was down to the secret polling that prompted him to ultimately axe Bailey - she is now most likely going to pursue this legally.

But VM is apparently polling strongly, and so - and despite the likes of Charlie Flanagan disassociating himself from her, she's being kept on with full support of Leo.

If I am reading between the lines here, you can make statements about immigrants, even if they're viewed as derogatory by some members of the public - stay where you are so long as you'll gain a seat for the party.

Lodge an extremely questionable claim, and try and get a handy few bob from a local business, and later lie about stuff both on the national airwaves, and to your party leader, and have a report launched as to your conduct, that concludes that you overstated injuries, and made statements that couldn't be reconciled they'll also stick by you too**

**Until polling data indicates you might do badly in an election, then the long knives appear you're dropped like a hot spud, and barrows full of money will be found to make sure you can't successfully run against them in an election.

Party first and foremost, morals and conduct second.

Marcos · 21-11-2019 11:59am

Will Josepha's firm represent her if she actually takes legal action?

tigger123 · 21-11-2019 12:02pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

A letter that triggers alarm bells for Fine Gael

Had been reading a few articles via twitter and how the decision to delete Bailey came about, and how it contrasts with the VM saga.

Apparently secret internal polling has had a direct impact on both of their predicaments.

Leo himself admitted it was down to the secret polling that prompted him to ultimately axe Bailey - she is now most likely going to pursue this legally.

But VM is apparently polling strongly, and so - and despite the likes of Charlie Flanagan disassociating himself from her, she's being kept on with full support of Leo.

If I am reading between the lines here, you can make statements about immigrants, even if they're viewed as derogatory by some members of the public - stay where you are so long as you'll gain a seat for the party.

Lodge an extremely questionable claim, and try and get a handy few bob from a local business, and later lie about stuff both on the national airwaves, and to your party leader, and have a report launched as to your conduct, that concludes that you overstated injuries, and made statements that couldn't be reconciled they'll also stick by you too**

**Until polling data indicates you might do badly in an election, then the long knives appear you're dropped like a hot spud, and barrows full of money will be found to make sure you can't successfully run against them in an election.

Party first and foremost, morals and conduct second.

Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?

Auguste Comte · 21-11-2019 1:47pm

tigger123 wrote: »

Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?

Or they could do the right thing and withdraw their support for her immediately on the basis that her views are not acceptable. Just like they should have done with Maria Baile and Alan Farrell, but for Fine Gael it's not about decency or ethics or anything else other than the best interests of the Fine Gael party.

For decency and ethics vote ABFG.

splinter65 · 21-11-2019 1:50pm

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Or they could do the right thing and withdraw their support for her immediately on the basis that her views are not acceptable. Just like they should have done with Maria Baile and Alan Farrell, but for Fine Gael it's not about decency or ethics or anything else other than the best interests of the Fine Gael party.

For decency and ethics vote ABFG.

Her views are not acceptable to whom? You?
When did you get to decide what’s decent and ethical?

tayto lover · 21-11-2019 1:50pm

tigger123 wrote: »

Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?

The way things are going with machete attacks on 13 year old girls she’d probably increase her vote if she reiterated her comments from 10 years ago.

McMurphy · 21-11-2019 1:55pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Her views are not acceptable to whom? You?
When did you get to decide what’s decent and ethical?

Seeing as you asked, the justice minister for one.

splinter65 · 21-11-2019 2:03pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Seeing as you asked, the justice minister for one.

The justice minister is entitled to his opinion same as everyone else. No more valid then yours or mine though.
I have no idea why you think he is the “standard”?

McMurphy · 21-11-2019 2:18pm

splinter65 wrote: »

The justice minister is entitled to his opinion same as everyone else. No more valid then yours or mine though.
I have no idea why you think he is the “standard”?

Obviously he's entitled to his opinion, I never suggested otherwise.

I don't think he's the standard, but (in case you need reminded) you asked the following:

Her views are not acceptable to whom?

I clearly stated one example was Charlie Flanagan.

Why Charlie?

Justice minister
Also her director of election.
Possible party colleague.

Apparently Leo (the leader of the party she's standing for) didn't think it acceptable either, hence her being "reprogrammed".

Apparently other ministers have distanced themselves from the comments too.

You asked. :cool:

Muahahaha · 21-11-2019 2:32pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Apparently secret internal polling has had a direct impact on both of their predicaments.

Leo himself admitted it was down to the secret polling that prompted him to ultimately axe Bailey - she is now most likely going to pursue this legally.

Isnt that just Leo all over, leadership is not about doing the right thing for him, its about commissioning polling and then being led by that when he finds out what way the wind is blowing. He was the same with gay marriage, he didnt get behind it until he saw that the polls had an unassailable lead for a Yes vote. Had the polls been saying the No side was likely to win then Leo would have campaigned for a No vote, thats how fickle he is. He is basically a shepherd led by his sheep.

James Brown · 21-11-2019 2:50pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Her views are not acceptable to whom? You?
When did you get to decide what’s decent and ethical?

The most important, the public. We all decide. Politicians are judged and vetted by the public. We tell them how it is. Fine Gael have a habit of putting themselves above the people they work for.

James Brown · 21-11-2019 2:53pm

Going back to their roots?

Maria Bailey Reinstated After Calling Migrants Scum

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/11/21/maria-bailey-reinstated-after-calling-migrants-scum/

Disclaimer: this is a headline from a satirical paper :rolleyes:

JeffKenna · 21-11-2019 3:04pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Isnt that just Leo all over, leadership is not about doing the right thing for him, its about commissioning polling and then being led by that when he finds out what way the wind is blowing. He was the same with gay marriage, he didnt get behind it until he saw that the polls had an unassailable lead for a Yes vote. Had the polls been saying the No side was likely to win then Leo would have campaigned for a No vote, thats how fickle he is. He is basically a shepherd led by his sheep.

The worse part is that he's so stupid to admit it. Brings every other decision he's making into question.

It wasnt me123 · 21-11-2019 3:29pm

I'm not sure why there is such vitriol for Leo and FG

What about tax dodger Mick Wallace - I actually thought he was quite effective in the Dail - he was the first person to mention the garda whisleblower

What about Michael Lowry? He's a criminal and still he's allowed to stand for government and is elected - outrageous stuff

FF had a few historic ones as well like Willie O'Dea, Charles Haughey, Bertie "I don't have a bank account" Ahern the Finance Minister, Liam Lawlor and Ray Burke.

We shouldn't vote for these criminals - if you don't agree with what a TD, or a perspective TD says, don't vote for them.

And if they are criminal, they shouldn't be allowed to even stand - Maria Bailey lied on court documents, she should go.
Willie O'Dea lied on court documents, he should go.
Lorraine Clifford Lee said something on twitter 8 years ago before she joined the Seanad, I actually agree with what she said, but as soon as it came out she apologise and kept apologising.
Verona Murphy said something 3 times which was racist - if you don't want this type of person in politics don't vote for them.

James Brown · 21-11-2019 3:38pm

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I'm not sure why there is such vitriol for Leo and FG

What about tax dodger Mick Wallace - I actually thought he was quite effective in the Dail - he was the first person to mention the garda whisleblower

What about Michael Lowry? He's a criminal and still he's allowed to stand for government and is elected - outrageous stuff

FF had a few historic ones as well like Willie O'Dea, Charles Haughey, Bertie "I don't have a bank account" Ahern the Finance Minister, Liam Lawlor and Ray Burke.

We shouldn't vote for these criminals - if you don't agree with what a TD, or a perspective TD says, don't vote for them.

And if they are criminal, they shouldn't be allowed to even stand - Maria Bailey lied on court documents, she should go.
Willie O'Dea lied on court documents, he should go.
Lorraine Clifford Lee said something on twitter 8 years ago before she joined the Seanad, I actually agree with what she said, but as soon as it came out she apologise and kept apologising.
Verona Murphy said something 3 times which was racist - if you don't want this type of person in politics don't vote for them.

I'll field this one if I may.

Leo is the political leader of the country.

The Fine Gael party, (the law and order party) have their membership found wanting when it comes to doing as they say. Bailey, Murphy, previously McElvaney, Conlon, Lowry are an insight to their member. We want to know the caliber of people we are electing. They are found to be misrepresenting themselves. This is not uncommon, but they are in government so rightly garner more attention.

Mick Wallace? FG's reputation doesn't stand or fall based on whataboutery. Again, Wallace isn't the political leader of the country.
Fine Gael, the party, dodged a tax for 9 years straight ffs.
Lowry is of Fine Gael and practically still is. Dinny still gets looked after by FG, why is that? I mean wouldn't it send a message if we stopped giving him sweet deals?

People vote for who they vote for. Case in point FG are in government. What can you do?

It's up to the parties and the public. FG only gave Bailey the elbow because the story wouldn't die. They'd have no qualms about keeping her ilk in government. Look at Verona Murphy.

Back to the first point, generational crises worsening by the day while patting themselves on the back for how great they are.

It wasnt me123 · 21-11-2019 3:45pm

I can understand why people give out about the government - I just don't understand why its just them and not all the rotten apples.

I'm not saying not to give out if you so want, but I'd want all the criminal feckers out - regardless of their party.

We know some of them are criminal so why do we, as a public, keep voting for them - what is wrong with the voting public? If they are crooked, racist, liars etc, don't vote for them.

Sometimes I think we deserve every ****ty thing we get - we do the same thing and expect a different outcome

James Brown · 21-11-2019 3:52pm

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I can understand why people give out about the government - I just don't understand why its just them and not all the rotten apples.

I'm not saying not to give out if you so want, but I'd want all the criminal feckers out - regardless of their party.

We know some of them are criminal so why do we, as a public, keep voting for them - what is wrong with the voting public? If they are crooked, racist, liars etc, don't vote for them.

Sometimes I think we deserve every ****ty thing we get - we do the same thing and expect a different outcome

Because Leo and Fine Gael make the policies that effect our lives.

Up to the electorate. They can be a disappointing bunch.

It's self interest and/or political dynasty. Bailey has nothing to offer except her family name IMO, for what that's worth.

True dat. Expect FF on the top bunk after the next election.

suicide_circus · 21-11-2019 3:55pm

Leo is a proven spoofer, devoid of principle, decisiveness and character. You can just see him waiting for some sweet EU or private sector position.

Snow Garden · 21-11-2019 5:02pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Leo is a proven spoofer, devoid of principle, decisiveness and character. You can just see him waiting for some sweet EU or private sector position.

He has been a massive disappointment. After years if ineptness from Enda, it wasn't difficult to impress.

James Brown · 21-11-2019 5:05pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

He has been a massive disappointment. After years if ineptness from Enda, it wasn't difficult to impress.

At least Kenny was funny.

is_that_so · 21-11-2019 6:30pm

tigger123 wrote: »

Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?

What she said came out of the blue and a lot of it is inspired by events around own ISIS bride, soon to return. A week and a bit out from an election they have to back her. Not clear if she has much hope and even if she does get in they can always revisit selection. With Deasy going they need another pugnacious straight talker!

James Brown · 21-11-2019 6:41pm

is_that_so wrote: »

What she said came out of the blue and a lot of it is inspired by events around own ISIS bride, soon to return. A week and a bit out from an election they have to back her. Not clear if she has much hope and even if she does get in they can always revisit selection. With Deasy going they need another pugnacious straight talker!

Hardly straight talk if a grimace from Leo has her retracting and fudging.

is_that_so · 21-11-2019 6:52pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Hardly straight talk if a grimace from Leo has her retracting and fudging.

TBH no idea where they found her. Doesn't seem to be much of a candidate.

James Brown · 21-11-2019 7:02pm

is_that_so wrote: »

TBH no idea where they found her. Doesn't seem to be much of a candidate.

It's numbers. My local FG TD has zero experience outside of some catering and running a choir. She was known in the community, that's all. She's burnt that bridge I reckon. Basically the idea FG stand for anything outside of getting into office is coming to the fore.

Widdensushi · 21-11-2019 7:19pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's numbers. My local FG TD has zero experience outside of some catering and running a choir. She was known in the community, that's all. She's burnt that bridge I reckon. Basically the idea FG stand for anything outside of getting into office is coming to the fore.

gender quotas are giving women politicians a bad name. There are areas where the best candidates are not able to run due to the quota.Its sexism of a different type.

Auguste Comte · 21-11-2019 7:20pm

is_that_so wrote: »

TBH no idea where they found her. Doesn't seem to be much of a candidate.

Not much of a party so a good fit really.

is_that_so · 21-11-2019 7:50pm

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Not much of a party so a good fit really.

I'm sure most parties would be happy to be "not much of party" if they were the main party in government. :P

ChikiChiki · 21-11-2019 8:04pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Leo is a proven spoofer, devoid of principle, decisiveness and character. You can just see him waiting for some sweet EU or private sector position.

He is very popular in the EU and the image he portrays abroad.

We all know domestically what an absolute spoofer he is. The record speaks for itself.

McMurphy · 21-11-2019 8:09pm

Ten days until December and she's still making headline news, Leo dropped the ball on this one big time.

Blown over by summer indeed.

Fann Linn · 21-11-2019 8:12pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

He is very popular in the EU and the image he portrays abroad.

We all know domestically what an absolute spoofer he is. The record speaks for itself.

Its the FG gene pool. Pinnochio Kenny was loved by the EU and was a bare faced liar at home also.
'Man with two pints' comes to mind for starters.

pinkyeye · 21-11-2019 9:08pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gzambra_92/status/1195802673821433856?s=21

Top bants with the goys

Don't get it, what's this got to do with Maria Bailey?

Higgins5473 · 21-11-2019 9:32pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

Don't get it, what's this got to do with Maria Bailey?

It was trending as 'our future TD's', pack of c*nts, entitled delusional aresholes etc...seems like a whole lot to do with Bailey.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 21-11-2019 10:28pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

It was trending as 'our future TD's', pack of c*nts, entitled delusional aresholes etc...seems like a whole lot to do with Bailey.

Just a bunch of lads enjoying themselves in Thailand. Better than a group of scrotes over watching a mcgregor fight anyway.

Higgins5473 · 21-11-2019 11:20pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Just a bunch of lads enjoying themselves in Thailand. Better than a group of scrotes over watching a mcgregor fight anyway.

Bunch of the ‘goys’ paddy, need to have the lingo right if you want to be in with the FG cream.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 21-11-2019 11:23pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Bunch of the ‘goys’ paddy, need to have the lingo right if you want to be in with the FG cream.

Is that an antisemitic slur? Not unexpected to be honest.

Millionaire only not · 21-11-2019 11:24pm

I hope Maria Bailey sues Fine Gael for loss of earnings/ defamation, she might have a better chance of winning than her last go at compensation!

Higgins5473 · 21-11-2019 11:41pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Is that an antisemitic slur? Not unexpected to be honest.

Antisemitic?

You googled and read a bit too fast Padraig, quite the opposite to your accusation:

noun, plural goy. · im [goi-im] , goys. Usually Disparaging. a term used by a Jew to refer to someone who is not Jewish.

Noun: Goys, Irish slang for a bunch of stuck up FG c*nts.

Try harder Padraig, switch between a few more usernames and get some one liner elsewhere which will make you sleep easier. Love you xoxo.

McMurphy · 21-11-2019 11:51pm

You'd have to wonder if what's going on with Maria is the real deal or engineered so Leo can save face, and she can get some legal action going, maybe some compo etc?

Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

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