St Annes Park Planning Application

if there are no delays when would this be completed?

hots wrote: »

Fingers crossed at least BusConnects gets through and works well before people are in. On the bright side, more houses is always good news, I just wish there was a bit of thinking done before these ones.

All that Bus Connects has done for the Howth Road is rename the 29A, 31 and 32 as H1, H2 and H3.

The H3 (31) will run at a frequency of every 30 minutes, as will the H2 (32). The 29A(H1) will run every 10-15 minutes.

Overall a pretty poor service along the Howth Road.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'll forever be a 42B man

28!

The buses on the Howth Road have always been atrocious. Very infrequent. I'm not even sure if Bus Connects will be on the Howth road but with all the rich people living there there wont be any sway or tree felling or garden shortening anyway, so I'm not sure how they could improve bus services.

downtheroad wrote: »

It is designated as the H Spine in bus connects plan but as I mentioned a couple of posts above the planned service is abysmal, 1 bus every 30 minutes for 2 of the 3 services. And the H Spine will not cross the Liffey, will continue to leave passengers at Talbot/Abbey St facing on onward journey for many commuters.

I grew up closer to the howth road than the malahide road and over the course of a few decades I probably took a bus from the howth road 2 or 3 times, just because you can be waiting for 45 minutes or so sometimes. Maybe Dublin Bus just aren't bothered on this route because there are dart stations too.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I grew up closer to the howth road than the malahide road and over the course of a few decades I probably took a bus from the howth road 2 or 3 times, just because you can be waiting for 45 minutes or so sometimes. Maybe Dublin Bus just aren't bothered on this route because there are dart stations too.

Similar, I grew up using the Howth Road buses and would often be waiting ages for a bus (pre app days) but have recently moved and am closer to Malahide Road where I wouldn't even both checking the app because you know a bus will be along in 5 minutes maximum.

I think I read on 1 of the BusConnects forums that some Howth residents asked for less frequency on the 31 routes.

The legal battles you need tonight to build anything here.

garrettod wrote:

There's plenty of grass fields to go build housing on elsewhere... What's the obsession with this particular location?

Because it's a very suitable plot for residential development and is still tied up in red tape. It is symptomatic of the problems with whole NIMBY planning system

odyssey06 wrote:

So it's not suitable at all for the development proposed.

Why don't you just post a link instead of extracting a piece that could be referenced out of context?

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Permission for 657 apartments near St Anne's Park overturned on consent

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/permission-for-657-apartments-near-st-anne-s-park-overturned-on-consent-1.4276709?fbclid=IwAR2SbS4HEPXES5tPcfV6zdqGCKbspK2w4yX5r1dT47QkxfCLo8jKMK9kHNg

Absolutely amazing news!!!

Well done to everyone that protested.

For the: "What about social housing brigade"
These were never going to be social housing, these units would have been coming in close to €750,000 a shot.

I sincerely doubt they'd have been that expensive, even the top end ones.

On the brigade comment, social housing requires the developer to provide 25% of the properties or an equivalent financial amount to the Council. That's the direct benefit.

The indirect benefit, people completely miss, is that an increase in supply has a positive effect on price, each "rich" person who buys one of these is another property available for someone lower down the ladder.

forgottenhills wrote: »

The site location as shown on the photos at Facebook page is precisely as per the Site Location Map in the planning application documents and shows the site running along the main central avenue of the park. So its an integral part of the entire St Anne's green space. Why don't you inform yourself or are you just spinning?

You're the one claiming that privately-owned land is part of the park, but I'm the one spinning? Right....

Marcusm wrote: »

I think some of you are misreading the denial which is solely on the basis of a failure to document the impact of any which the development would have on Brent geese and other protected species in Dublin Bay. Isn’t this site on the inland side of the park? I suspect the renewed application will be submitted once the appropriate consideration under the Habitats Directive is undertaken.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It is not in a park at all!

I depends on who you ask, as to whether the area is part of the park or not.
Originally it belonged to the park, but was "given(ish)" to St Pauls School (they did not purchase it) to set up pitches for the school kids.

But the Pauls sold it a few years back, which they really should not have done, if they didn't want the pitches anymore they should have given them back to the Park.
Note: Clontarf GAA have also objected on the grounds there is major shortage of pitches in the area at the moment.

The area they wish to build is very much "within" park. (red)



Note they also sold the local swimming pool grounds a few years back which was an amenity we'll never get back (blue)

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Jokes on you, you don't know how the planning system works. This is not the end of it.

Applicant will just put in another application shortly (hopefully with even more units)

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind they will, however there is enough Solicitors living around that area to ensure it'll be years and years in the courts.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Many people would say it's NIMBYism!

I have no problem at all with people building private or social housing in the correct areas.
9 story tall buildings belong in the city centre (At the moment), not the suburbs.
The closest non city centre building to it's height would be the hotel in Ballymun, which is 3.6 miles away, it's ridiculous



This business of builders/developers getting planning permission for whatever they want because "Housing Crisis" is so stupid!
They've gone building like crazy in Clongriffin/Belmayne despite major problems both in design, infra capacity planning, and the major social issues they have there. More fuel is being added to the fire. because "Housing Crisis"

The same applies to Clarehall Village, which was the biggest rip off of all. The developer couldn't sell 2 whole blocks of apartments. So they ended up getting sold to a Housing charity (at cost) who in turn moved a large number of scumbags in (Not all scummers but enough to cause a major problem).
Imagine being in your mid 20's and scraping together €30k over a few years for a deposit on an apartment in there, only for 2 whole blocks of people getting their apartments for free and turning the place into a kip

And these places are kips, anyone I know that has a house or apartment (via a mortgage) in Clongriffin or Clarehall can't wait to get out.

People are NIMBYs for sure, I agree with you on that point, but the thing is that have very good reason to be. It's their area, they have to live their. They've worked their whole lives to earn living there, and they don't want it wrecked by some developer looking to turn a quick buck because "Housing Crisis".

I live close to Kilbarrack Dart station. The area has been quiet for years. But in the last 6/7 years they've moved in "the wrong people" to Berach's Place, and now we have MAJOR anti social problems again. No one wants social housing anywhere near them.

dubrov wrote: »

It's either private land or part of the public park. Which is it?

Its private land which basically operated as if it was part of the public park for so long that it will be impossible to tell people locally that it isn't.

If they'd put more effort in to the obviously challengable bits of the application it wouldn't have got thrown out either time .

If they ever try and build in St Anne's then I'll be up in arms.

This isn't in the park.

It's an area of green space with pitches fenced off from the park the public previously had to spend significant sums of money per hour to use.