Has ignoring red lights gotten a lot worse?

magicbastarder · 16-03-2019 1:24pm

that must have been quite a shunt to push the luas that far off the tracks.

Jamie2k9 · 16-03-2019 2:22pm

When I first posted I didn't see the pic. Given the damage the bus must have been going at speed or the Luas was in the wrong.

PWEI · 16-03-2019 3:07pm

Eyewitnesses said the bus had the green light and the LUAS went through their red light.
Imagine the amount of injury claims are going to be put in by the passengers on both the bus & luas. If it’s true the the driver should get sacked.

magicbastarder · 16-03-2019 3:18pm

the bus was empty, driver only.

Infini · 16-03-2019 4:16pm

I wouldnt be so quick to just play the blame game expecially since we dont know what actually happened or if something distracted the driver of either vehicle.

For all we know the fault could be mechanical as well.

Jamie2k9 · 16-03-2019 5:24pm

Infini wrote: »

I wouldnt be so quick to just play the blame game expecially since we dont know what actually happened or if something distracted the driver of either vehicle.

For all we know the fault could be mechanical as well.

I agree still closed and suspect RAIU will be publishing a report.

Its been said online the bus had a green light and judging by damage it appears very likely.

Losty Dublin · 16-03-2019 6:04pm

PWEI wrote: »

Eyewitnesses said the bus had the green light and the LUAS went through their red light.
Imagine the amount of injury claims are going to be put in by the passengers on both the bus & luas. If it’s true the the driver should get sacked.

Luas trams don't have regular road traffic lights. They have a basic stop or go line side signal for them. They are normally interlocked to road traffic signals to limit the chances of a collision. Luas and Dublin Bus buses both have forward facing cameras it will be easy to ascertain if their respective traffic signal gave them permission to move off. If they both had a clear signal then there's gonna be problems, big problems ahead.

Jamie2k9 · 16-03-2019 6:35pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Luas trams don't have regular road traffic lights. They have a basic stop or go line side signal for them. They are normally interlocked to road traffic signals to limit the chances of a collision. Luas and Dublin Bus buses both have forward facing cameras it will be easy to ascertain if their respective traffic signal gave them permission to move off. If they both had a clear signal then there's gonna be problems, big problems ahead.

Would be amazed if both showed go, most accidents have one party at fault.

One option is the Luas clearance timed out and the tram got caught. Usually happens if the tram is held up and doesn’t move after 10 seconds.

Losty Dublin · 16-03-2019 8:09pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Would be amazed if both showed go, most accidents have one party at fault.

One option is the Luas clearance timed out and the tram got caught. Usually happens if the tram is held up and doesn’t move after 10 seconds.

They shouldn't but it is possible. One of the reasons why the 2009 Luas crash case collapsed was because the Luas signal was shown that it could have clashed with the traffic signal.

Jamie2k9 · 16-03-2019 9:11pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

They shouldn't but it is possible. One of the reasons why the 2009 Luas crash case collapsed was because the Luas signal was shown that it could have clashed with the traffic signal.

Not read the report in a few years but the RAIU stated the tram proceeded through a stop signal partly obstructed by sunlight. Guess it will be a year or so before the ultimate cause of this crash is revealed assuming RAIU investigate.

yer man! · 16-03-2019 10:13pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Would be amazed if both showed go, most accidents have one party at fault.

One option is the Luas clearance timed out and the tram got caught. Usually happens if the tram is held up and doesn’t move after 10 seconds.

This happened me the end of Amiens street at Connolly. My light turned green and a tram had just started to cross the junction. Thought it was really odd, I reported it to Luas operations and they said they'd look into it but it never went anywhere after that.

Jamie2k9 · 16-03-2019 11:58pm

yer man! wrote: »

This happened me the end of Amiens street at Connolly. My light turned green and a tram had just started to cross the junction. Thought it was really odd, I reported it to Luas operations and they said they'd look into it but it never went anywhere after that.

That junction is the worst and the amount of times the signal times out becauses cars are blocking the box. What you describe sounds like it was passenger at danger unless they were passed it already.

From experience they will have looked into it and disciplined if somebody was at fault.

Luas rely on drivers to report passing incorrect signals. in 2017 28 were reported.

fritzelly · 17-03-2019 12:13am

Surely the traffic light/camera system would pay for itself in no time (especially in Dublin) - works everywhere else in the world, even going past the white line triggers the fine/points. Hell I bet a private company would jump at the chance to provide the cameras on a commission basis
As a driver I would never go thru even an amber light unless it was literally changing as I was passing but it pisses me off no end when people go thru reds and it's never one, there is always 2 or 3 others following. You're waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing and by the time it's safe the lights gone red for you and there's another rake of cars flying thru. Trucks, buses, taxis - are just as bad and you would think they would be the safest drivers on the roads as their job depends on having a licence. But no enforcement so no one cares.

Sam Russell · 17-03-2019 1:07pm

Well, there are traffic ANPR cameras installed at the level crossing at Sydney Parade. There are two blue signs either side of the crossing warning motorists of the fact that these cameras can/will be used for enforcement. The one on the Ailesbury Road side is in English and hidden be a tree that is overgrowing the sign. The other one is in Irish.

I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for running the red light. The judgement is red but whether the driver can get across before the gate closes and I have seen some close calls. They can also detect speed, and the speed limit is 30 Km/h, and again many vehicles exceed 50 km/h.

CramCycle · 17-03-2019 1:15pm

Are they Irish Rail ones? As in they will be used if Irish Rail report the issue eg gate strike, that's what I always presumed as the number of chancers says to me it's not automatic or monitored

Sam Russell · 17-03-2019 1:20pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Are they Irish Rail ones? As in they will be used if Irish Rail report the issue eg gate strike, that's what I always presumed as the number of chancers says to me it's not automatic or monitored

They are IR, but the notice implies that action will be taken. However, there is no sign of any enforcement - a bit like their approach to fare evasion.

magicbastarder · 17-03-2019 4:17pm

i think IR have cameras at most crossings in dublin, but was not aware that any were specifically ANPR ones.

17-03-2019 4:21pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

They are IR, but the notice implies that action will be taken. However, there is no sign of any enforcement - a bit like their approach to fare evasion.

The train is the ultimate enforcer!

ED E · 17-03-2019 11:59pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Surely the traffic light/camera system would pay for itself in no time (especially in Dublin) - works everywhere else in the world, even going past the white line triggers the fine/points. Hell I bet a private company would jump at the chance to provide the cameras on a commission basis
As a driver I would never go thru even an amber light unless it was literally changing as I was passing but it pisses me off no end when people go thru reds and it's never one, there is always 2 or 3 others following. You're waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing and by the time it's safe the lights gone red for you and there's another rake of cars flying thru. Trucks, buses, taxis - are just as bad and you would think they would be the safest drivers on the roads as their job depends on having a licence. But no enforcement so no one cares.

We have them. They're turned off.

Zipppy · 18-03-2019 12:35am

I think one of the issues with zero tolerance is that drivers could become paranoid about it and start jamming on on amber with possible rest end collisions ensuing..or not..

fritzelly · 18-03-2019 12:38am

Zipppy wrote: »

I think one of the issues with zero tolerance is that drivers could become paranoid about it and start jamming on on amber with possible rest end collisions ensuing..or not..

If you end up rear ending someone who stops at a red light then you were doing something wrong in the first place...

CramCycle · 18-03-2019 1:05am

fritzelly wrote: »

If you end up rear ending someone who stops at a red light then you were doing something wrong in the first place...

100% around Dublin anyway, people drive as if the car in front could bnever possibly hit the brakes, rather than leaving enough space to react if they do. Christ, the M50 is worse, if you leave breaking distance between you and the car in front, someone is liable to merge into it without indicating.

The sooner the zero tolerance begins and the sooner judges stop accepting BS excuses, the better we will all be.

fullstop · 18-03-2019 1:27am

downtheroad wrote: »

I drove through an amber light in Sydney years ago and got issued a substantial fine for doing so, caught by the automatic camera at the junction. You can be sure I never did it again.

Last year I emailed the minister for transport about how bad red light jumping has become in Ireland, to be told that it is a matter for the department of justice as it is a police issue. The minister for justice or his secretary replied to say there are no plans to bring red light cameras in to Ireland. They just don't care.

It gets worse and worse by the day. What used to be 1 car breaking a red became 2 then and now 4. It's not far off the stage of just abolishing traffic lights because they aren't adhered to by so many drivers.

No, you drove through a red

the traffic light cameras in Sydney are only triggered if you cross the line after red. The fine is currently $550 I think, and as a result, you see very few people breaking a red light in the city.

AndrewJRenko · 18-03-2019 1:37am

Zipppy wrote: »

I think one of the issues with zero tolerance is that drivers could become paranoid about it and start jamming on on amber with possible rest end collisions ensuing..or not..

Or else they could approach the green light with the expectation that it is going to go amber, instead of being hugely surprised when the inevitable happens.

Zipppy · 18-03-2019 12:05pm

fritzelly wrote:

If you end up rear ending someone who stops at a red light then you were doing something wrong in the first place...

I totally agree but alas drivers in Dublin would find it v difficult to understand the concept of 'braking distance'

ED E · 21-03-2019 1:34am

Any news on who was out of line here?

site_owner · 21-03-2019 1:35pm

a bit surprised at this one, if youre not familair, theres a green light for traffic coming from oconnell st until the green filter changes for traffic coming from my direction. you can see a few cyclists coming from oconnell st, and almost always the last 2 or 3 cars/buses/trucks break that red too

https://twitter.com/alan_downtown/status/1108702787871875072

GLaDOS · 21-03-2019 2:29pm

I've really noticed lately the amount of times I'm on a Dublin Bus and it runs an orange light late or indeed sometimes runs a full red. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the luas crash (though it may end up not being the case).

Ashleigh1986 · 21-03-2019 2:47pm

It's highly frustrating when the traffic lights are soooo badly sequenced that if there's 10 cars waiting to go tru a junction and the timer only lets 3 tru .
Not to mention the dozy xxxxx who are on Facebook and aren't alert when lights change .
The traffic light sequencing is a joke just like the speed limits around the country are a joke .
Get them right and than apply the law ye muppets !!!!

amcalester · 21-03-2019 2:50pm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

It's highly frustrating when the traffic lights are soooo badly sequenced that if there's 10 cars waiting to go tru a junction and the timer only lets 3 tru .
Not to mention the dozy xxxxx who are on Facebook and aren't alert when lights change .
The traffic light sequencing is a joke just like the speed limits around the country are a joke .
Get them right and than apply the law ye muppets !!!!

Just rid of lights and limits altogether, sure they only ever hold me up.

CramCycle · 21-03-2019 3:50pm

The traffic light sequencing is a joke just like the speed limits around the country are a joke .

Your right here, far too high, saying this for years but people are so accustomed at driving too fast that they will never change.

Get them right and than apply the law ye muppets !!!!

If you applied the law you might find that people start getting it right of their own freewill.

trellheim · 21-03-2019 4:32pm

t's highly frustrating when the traffic lights are soooo badly sequenced that if there's 10 cars waiting to go tru a junction and the timer only lets 3 tru .
Not to mention the dozy xxxxx who are on Facebook and aren't alert when lights change .
The traffic light sequencing is a joke just like the speed limits around the country are a joke .
Get them right and than apply the law ye muppets !!!!

It doesn't work like that. Follow the law first. Light sequencing you dont like is not a reason or excuse to ignore them.

YELLOW MEANS *STOP* (unless you cant stop safely before the line) not go faster.

PhilOssophy · 21-03-2019 4:53pm

Green = go
Amber = go faster
Red = 2 more cars, 5 more cyclists (except at pedestrian crossings, 2 more cars and unlimited cyclists).

From a pedestrian.

AndrewJRenko · 21-03-2019 10:40pm

GLaDOS wrote: »

I've really noticed lately the amount of times I'm on a Dublin Bus and it runs an orange light late or indeed sometimes runs a full red. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the luas crash (though it may end up not being the case).

Something like this perhaps?

https://streamable.com/7gbkk

Ashleigh1986 · 21-03-2019 10:52pm

trellheim wrote: »

It doesn't work like that. Follow the law first. Light sequencing you dont like is not a reason or excuse to ignore them.

YELLOW MEANS *STOP* (unless you cant stop safely before the line) not go faster.[/QUOTE
I've explained why people break red lights .
It's down to pure frustration of waiting for a red light to turn green and only lasting 5 seconds when it does change .
THE LAW IS AN ASS !!!!

Ha Long Bay · 21-03-2019 10:57pm

Another one from today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45LmY3xBfTA

AndrewJRenko · 21-03-2019 11:00pm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

trellheim wrote: »

It doesn't work like that. Follow the law first. Light sequencing you dont like is not a reason or excuse to ignore them.

YELLOW MEANS *STOP* (unless you cant stop safely before the line) not go faster.

I've explained why people break red lights .
It's down to pure frustration of waiting for a red light to turn green and only lasting 5 seconds when it does change .
THE LAW IS AN ASS !!!!

Any driver who breaks the law due to 'frustration' should hand over their keys immediately to a competent driver.

GLaDOS · 22-03-2019 12:33am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Something like this perhaps?

https://streamable.com/7gbkk

Exactly. Probably not a coincedence i get the 46A daily :pac:

Ashleigh1986 · 22-03-2019 6:44am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Any driver who breaks the law due to 'frustration' should hand over their keys immediately to a competent driver.

A competent driver ???? ..... Driving in galway city for over 30 years ....not a single accident ....thank you i am a extremely competent driver !!!!

amcalester · 22-03-2019 8:29am

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

A competent driver ???? ..... Driving in galway city for over 30 years ....not a single accident ....thank you i am a extremely competent driver !!!!

If you are regularly running red lights, then you're not a competent driver just a lucky one.

CramCycle · 22-03-2019 8:40am

Not a dig at Ashleigh as I know nothing of their driving but I am always shocked at drivers who use the, I haven't had an accident and are therefore completely competent. That just means, as said above, that you maybe lucky or drive around many other competent drivers whom make up for your lack of competence. I see drivers daily who if others around them had not reacted so well, would have been in an accident and they continue on, having learned nothing of their ineptitude.

AndrewJRenko · 22-03-2019 9:19am

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Any driver who breaks the law due to 'frustration' should hand over their keys immediately to a competent driver.

A competent driver ???? ..... Driving in galway city for over 30 years ....not a single accident ....thank you i am a extremely competent driver !!!!

If you think 'frustration' is a valid excuse for breaking red lights, I beg to differ.

trellheim · 22-03-2019 11:41am

A few years ago I went to the council and got the sequence near me slightly changed . Its still dangerous but slightly less so.

Stop on yellow people it only takes someone else in a hurry on a bike or something to go immediately on green
and then its a tragedy

Observe... this could have been a LOT worse

(watch the traffic lights ) https://gfycat.com/dimbetterhorseshoecrab

amcalester · 22-03-2019 12:10pm

trellheim wrote: »

A few years ago I went to the council and got the sequence near me slightly changed . Its still dangerous but slightly less so.

Stop on yellow people it only takes someone else in a hurry on a bike or something to go immediately on green
and then its a tragedy

Observe... this could have been a LOT worse

(watch the traffic lights ) https://gfycat.com/dimbetterhorseshoecrab

He really stuck the landing, fair play. 10 Points.

Seth Brundle · 22-03-2019 12:14pm

trellheim wrote: »

Observe... this could have been a LOT worse

(watch the traffic lights ) https://gfycat.com/dimbetterhorseshoecrab

Without trying to blame the victim, it is important to note that a green light doesn't mean GO. It means proceed if it is safe to do so.
In this case it was not safe for the biker to proceed.
I do believe that the car driver is the one who should be held responsible for the incident.

Elemonator · 22-03-2019 12:25pm

Good idea posting it here. I'd say that at least 10% of Boardsies, representative of Irish society as a whole, are crap drivers.

Friendly reminder that amber means stop unless it is unsafe to do so, not that the light is about to go red and take your chance now and that indicators are to be used on roundabouts etc to give reasonable notice of your intention to change direction, not as you turn.

Ashleigh1986 · 22-03-2019 1:14pm

To all the clowns on this forum that have suggested that I personally break red lights .....
Look back at the heading of this topic
" Has breaking red lights got worse ....." ????
I'm an experienced accident free driver of 30 years in the galway .
I've driven over a million km in that time !!!
Are ye sooo stupid that ye think a driver doing that sort of mileage is driving around breaking traffic lights AND IS JUST GETTING LUCKY???
I'm on this forum giving my opinion on what I've seen .
Do not judge me or my driving ability when ye know neither !!!

amcalester · 22-03-2019 1:25pm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

To all the clowns on this forum that have suggested that I personally break red lights .....
Look back at the heading of this topic
" Has breaking red lights got worse ....." ????
I'm an experienced accident free driver of 30 years in the galway .
I've driven over a million km in that time !!!
Are ye sooo stupid that ye think a driver doing that sort of mileage is driving around breaking traffic lights AND IS JUST GETTING LUCKY???
I'm on this forum giving my opinion on what I've seen .
Do not judge me or my driving ability when ye know neither !!!

Nobody has called into question your competency or suggested that you break red lights.

What was said was that if a driver thinks frustration is a valid excuse for running red lights they should hand in their license to a competent driver.

reg114 · 22-03-2019 1:53pm

Based on my own experience I would say that yes people seem to be ignoring red lights more often than before. Maybe its the increase in the volume of cars and the pace of life in general that has contributed to it but its an epidemic at this stage. Drivers bemoan the use of speed cameras but I would love to see cameras at every junction to catch red like breakers. People's behaviour would change if they knew they would be penalised when breaking a red light. Personally I would be especially draconian when punishing red light breakers because there's just no excuse for it. Id advocate for a fine, penalty points and a ban.

Duckjob · 22-03-2019 1:59pm

At this point I cannot wait for driving in Ireland to be entirely taken over by computers because the level of piss-taking by drivers here is beyond a joke at this stage.

If the level of traffic law enforcement, detection and punishment present in other European countries was transplanted to Irish cities in the morning, I'd say traffic congestion problems would be solved within a week because probably 50% of drivers would be put off the road within that time as a consequence of their dangerous bullsh*t driving.

Has ignoring red lights gotten a lot worse?

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