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Why I am leaving Ireland in 2019

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  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭incentsitive


    To those wondering about Brandenburg Airport, the latest suggestion is to knock it down and rebuild.
    Schonefeld is the biggest kip of an airport in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    The psychology of it is interesting, its appeaser to be something deep in the human psyche to believe its better somewhere else, El dorado Avalon, the cities of America are paved in gold, in the media its represents by St Rose in the postman film or Elysium in the film Elysium. There are hundreds of examples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    theguzman wrote: »
    Lets say you are paying 40% Income Tax, whatever you spend in your life is taxed at 23%, VAT, plus a whole host of all other taxes along the way of your life any savings has DIRT, then when you come to die and bequeath whatever you saved or had in property it all to whoever it will be taxed at 33%.

    If over the course of your life everything was accounted for you will find the tax burden is damn well over 70% and heading towards 80%. And this is not accounting for all the other costs because of inept Governance in Ireland such as effective Double medical taxation where Private Health Insurance is necessary, Cartel Car Insurance Providers; What is happening is a total and utter disgrace.

    If you manage to gather €1m over your life (realistically more) the state will get their hands on far too much of it.

    Most food is exempt from VAT, certainly the core foodstuffs like dairy, meat, fish, fruit and vegetables etc. Other big household bills like gas and electricity are 13.5% VAT not 23%.

    DIRT applies to the interest accrued on the savings, not the savings itself. Fair few misconceptions in that post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,214 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    theguzman wrote: »
    Probably Qatar

    Then I take it that

    You are muslim
    Do not take a drink
    are not gay
    do not intend sleeping with a woman(or allah forbid a man!)
    Ask a female for directions
    won't be kissing in public
    Won't be looking at any females in the eye
    You have no interest in sport apart from camel chasing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jcon1913


    Geuze wrote: »
    I do this all the time, part of my job.

    Total tax in 2017 = 68,568m

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/gfsa/governmentfinancestatisticsoctober2018/

    Total income in Ireland = GDP = 294,110m

    Tax as % of GDP = 23.3%, very low tax level

    Now, GDP is not a good measure of Irish incomes, so we use GNI* instead = 181,182m

    Tax as % of GNI* = 38%
    This adds light to the debate on here and congratulations on your brief post which is something that needs to be highlighted - Ireland is in the middle of the pack in relation to overall tax take once you take out the effect of mulitnational activity in the economy. The reason you want to do that is that multinational have sales in Ireland which raise the GDP ( national income ) level, but they have no costs so it distorts the figures, making it look like we produce all this stuff, when all we have is multinational making sales here but no expenses.


    Heres my tuppence worh of reason the Irish economy is uniquely distorted, to add to everyone elses opinion:


    Public Service wages here are higher than in other countries relative to the average wages. Public service workers are paid 120% of their counterparts in the private sector when you add in pensions etc. In other countries, specifically the UK, Public Servants are typically paid 80% of private sector workers. This is pre-recession stuff so the gap may be narrower now, but will probably go back to these levels once pay restoration goes through.



    This creates a relatively wealthy middle class cohort who are comfortable, it leads to the stability of Irish society as a whole. These are the sons and daughters of the small farmers children. There is nothing wrong with these people, I have nothing against them.


    In the UK, teachers, nurses and police and other public servants are paid a lot less relative to their counterparts in the Private Sector.



    There is a social welfare class in Ireland who are the bottom 20%, and I wouldnt like to have to survive on what they try to live on. Social welfare is far better here than in the UK, and again I have no problem with that. The UK system produces shocking poverty and deprivation, coupled with their very low social mobility leading to human set-aside on a massive scale.


    I prefer to think of social welfare as a wage subsidy. Plenty of people know someone who is on Social Welfare but who does a bit of painting or handyman work on the side. They can afford to work for low daily rates because of the social welfare they receive.


    50 years ago there wasn't the same option for all of this Unmarried Mothers Allowance and Deserted Wive etc because the church and society at large forced people to get married to co-habitate, and forced them to stay together, whether they liked it or not. And who would want to go back to that??


    Anyway I'm relatively happy for this state of affiars to continue, I think most public servants are decent people who deserve good wages, and decent conditions and we should not turn Ireland in to a minimum wage economy to suit large multinationals. People that live here spend their money in Ireland thereby generating activity in the economy and paying their taxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,109 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    mariaalice wrote: »
    The psychology of it is interesting, its appeaser to be something deep in the human psyche to believe its better somewhere else, El dorado Avalon, the cities of America are paved in gold, in the media its represents by St Rose in the postman film or Elysium in the film Elysium. There are hundreds of examples.

    I'm originally from Australia, so in my case I have lived elsewhere so my knowledge base and frames of reference are pretty deep. It's not a case of imagining a difference that doesn't exist.

    There are immense costs to living in Ireland people who haven't lived elsewhere probably don't even think to consider.

    Heating. Ireland's average annual temperature is 10°C. That means if you want to live at a more comfortable 20°C you are going to pay through the nose for that luxury. Average anual temperature in Sydney is around 20°C i belive, so you are saving a lot there if you have a large stand alone house in Ireland.

    Legal mess: Ireland's so called legal system is dysfunctional and I suspect that is deliberate. If you want to buy or sell a house here you have to get a lawyer and it costs around 6 times as much as just getting conveyancer in Australia.
    Same goes for anything else legal. In Australia you can DIY your own divorce, here it's a living and costly nightmare. I once asked a lawyer here why it was such a mess, and his typically cute reply was to blame the British as the system was inherited from them. Funny thing is, Australia also inherited the same system and the Queen is still! the head of state, yet they managed to repair the mess.

    The government here is very 'cute' about imposing living costs - like the legal mess - on people to subsidise businesses. The requirement for a BER certificate is a classic. There is no free option for a home owner to declare the lowest BER rating voluntarily, you still have to pay for that.

    Another cute would be needing to pay to get a surveyor in on just about every single property transaction to make sure the boundaries are properly defined - WTF?

    Want to avail of the solar panel subsidy? Well you can forget about saving some money with a bit of DIY as the grant only goes to registered installers.

    I don't have direct experience with the insulation grant but I'll bet that is the same.

    Then there's the NCT, a nice little earner that one. Toll roads like the M50 which was paid off donkeys ago.

    Car insurance in this country is a mess and a scam.

    Seemingly every facet of life in this country has costs deliberately engineered in as either taxes or to guarantee work to someone.

    I notice this stuff because i have lived somewhere where it doesn't happen, it's not a trick of the psyche.

    Did you know that in Australia, if you need to get an accountant to do your tax return, that's a legitimate tax deduction. You will even be allowed to take into account inflation when computing capital gains.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I'm originally from Australia, so in my case I have lived elsewhere so my knowledge base and frames of reference are pretty deep. It's not a case of imagining a difference that doesn't exist.

    There are immense costs to living in Ireland people who haven't lived elsewhere probably don't even think to consider.

    Heating. Ireland's average annual temperature is 10°C. That means if you want to live at a more comfortable 20°C you are going to pay through the nose for that luxury. Average anual temperature in Sydney is around 20°C i belive, so you are saving a lot there if you have a large stand alone house in Ireland.

    Legal mess: Ireland's so called legal system is dysfunctional and I suspect that is deliberate. If you want to buy or sell a house here you have to get a lawyer and it costs around 6 times as much as just getting conveyancer in Australia.
    Same goes for anything else legal. In Australia you can DIY your own divorce, here it's a living and costly nightmare. I once asked a lawyer here why it was such a mess, and his typically cute reply was to blame the British as the system was inherited from them. Funny thing is, Australia also inherited the same system and the Queen is still! the head of state, yet they managed to repair the mess.

    The government here is very 'cute' about imposing living costs - like the legal mess - on people to subsidise businesses. The requirement for a BER certificate is a classic. There is no free option for a home owner to declare the lowest BER rating voluntarily, you still have to pay for that.

    Another cute would be needing to pay to get a surveyor in on just about every single property transaction to make sure the boundaries are properly defined - WTF?

    Want to avail of the solar panel subsidy? Well you can forget about saving some money with a bit of DIY as the grant only goes to registered installers.

    I don't have direct experience with the insulation grant but I'll bet that is the same.

    Then there's the NCT, a nice little earner that one. Toll roads like the M50 which was paid off donkeys ago.

    Car insurance in this country is a mess and a scam.

    Seemingly every facet of life in this country has costs deliberately engineered in as either taxes or to guarantee work to someone.

    I notice this stuff because i have lived somewhere where it doesn't happen, it's not a trick of the psyche.

    Did you know that in Australia, if you need to get an accountant to do your tax return, that's a legitimate tax deduction. You will even be allowed to take into account inflation when computing capital gains.

    I am not saying Ireland is perfect its far from, that was not my point. I would look at the uk and the genuinely free first and second level education and the NHS and wonder why we cant do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,536 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I'm originally from Australia, so in my case I have lived elsewhere so my knowledge base and frames of reference are pretty deep. It's not a case of imagining a difference that doesn't exist.

    There are immense costs to living in Ireland people who haven't lived elsewhere probably don't even think to consider....

    H.

    Australia is by no means cheap. Cost of living below shows things are about the same.

    https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/comparison/dublin/sydney?


    Other stuff you point out are one off and not really something you would emigrate over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Then I take it that

    You are muslim
    Do not take a drink
    are not gay
    do not intend sleeping with a woman(or allah forbid a man!)
    Ask a female for directions
    won't be kissing in public
    Won't be looking at any females in the eye
    You have no interest in sport apart from camel chasing.

    You really must have no idea about the middle east and quite frankly I find it very condescending. Qatar and Dubai are not Saudi Arabia, even Saudi Arabia is liberalising now due to economic pressure and Oil is declining in economic importance there, westerners are now able to travel to Saudi Arabia as Tourists for the first time, and it a country I will certainly be travelling to also.

    Most things can be done in these countries, the key is discretion and showing respect to the host nation. I can 100% guarantee you there is plenty homosexuality through the middle-east and the repressive nature of Islam actually encourages it and there would a higher percentage of Homosexuals there than this country. Alcohol can be consumed in Qatar and UAE, extra-Martial relations and sex outside of marriage is widely practised. If a person is ever in Thailand you will Arabic men are a huge proportion of the clientele of Transgender Ladyboy prostitutes.

    White Western Men are held in high regard and a blind eye turned to alot of things, out of sight out of mind, what is not tolerated is the typical Irish loutish behaviour of acting like a total eejit blind drunk and then thinking everyone else is wrong except himself and thinking his sh1t don't stink. Both countries are very safe and the people are wealthy and respectful, most of the image people have of headchoppers and madrasses is attributable to the disgraceful and misogynistic culture from Pakistan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    theguzman wrote: »
    You really must have no idea about the middle east and quite frankly I find it very condescending. Qatar and Dubai are not Saudi Arabia, even Saudi Arabia is liberalising now due to economic pressure and Oil is declining in economic importance there, westerners are now able to travel to Saudi Arabia as Tourists for the first time, and it a country I will certainly be travelling to also.

    Most things can be done in these countries, the key is discretion and showing respect to the host nation. I can 100% guarantee you there is plenty homosexuality through the middle-east and the repressive nature of Islam actually encourages it and there would a higher percentage of Homosexuals there than this country. Alcohol can be consumed in Qatar and UAE, extra-Martial relations and sex outside of marriage is widely practised. If a person is ever in Thailand you will Arabic men are a huge proportion of the clientele of Transgender Ladyboy prostitutes.

    White Western Men are held in high regard and a blind eye turned to alot of things, out of sight out of mind, what is not tolerated is the typical Irish loutish behaviour of acting like a total eejit blind drunk and then thinking everyone else is wrong except himself and thinking his sh1t don't stink. Both countries are very safe and the people are wealthy and respectful, most of the image people have of headchoppers and madrasses is attributable to the disgraceful and misogynistic culture from Pakistan.

    I've lived in Saudi until recently and can assure you that it is not liberalising nor will ever be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Dr.Sanchez wrote: »
    I've lived in Saudi until recently and can assure you that it is not liberalising nor will ever be.

    Women are now allowed to drive albeit with restrictions, Cinemas are allowed again and Westerners are being welcomed into the country. Don't expect Gay Marriage or Transgender bathrooms anytime soon however but it seems like progress to me. MBS knows that they can only pump so much from the Ghawar field and the days of Ras Tanura holding sway over the world are finishing. The Permian basin in the US has changed the Oil industry and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil is set to bring massive new Oil projects online with huge off shore reserves and drilling deep in the Amazon basin.

    Saudi Arabia can't control the market like it used to and have to take whatever price they get for their oil now, they are running huge deficits and even Trumps attempt to get Iranian oil off the market failed as the Chinese and Indians are now importing it bypassing SWIFT and paying in Gold and Yuan instead giving them a discount and this has cost Saudis Market share also as Chindia can buy Iranian oil at a discount instead of Saudi oil wheras that Iranian oil would have been destined for Rotterdam before.


  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭hello2020


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I'm originally from Australia, so in my case I have lived elsewhere so my knowledge base and frames of reference are pretty deep. It's not a case of imagining a difference that doesn't exist.

    There are immense costs to living in Ireland people who haven't lived elsewhere probably don't even think to consider.

    Heating. Ireland's average annual temperature is 10°C. That means if you want to live at a more comfortable 20°C you are going to pay through the nose for that luxury. Average anual temperature in Sydney is around 20°C i belive, so you are saving a lot there if you have a large stand alone house in Ireland.

    Legal mess: Ireland's so called legal system is dysfunctional and I suspect that is deliberate. If you want to buy or sell a house here you have to get a lawyer and it costs around 6 times as much as just getting conveyancer in Australia.
    Car insurance in this country is a mess and a scam.
    Seemingly every facet of life in this country has costs deliberately engineered in as either taxes or to guarantee work to someone.

    I notice this stuff because i have lived somewhere where it doesn't happen, it's not a trick of the psyche.

    well written.. i have lived in USA for 5 years and feels the same.
    cost is too high for most of the day to day needs due to in built high taxes
    quality of life is way lower than what u pay for..
    wages r low and taxes r high..
    eating out is so expensive and lacks quality (may be due to high rents n taxes)
    car insurance n car ownership is like a luxury...most of the people can not afford to buy nice, new cars or SUVs

    i think many of these issues r related to Ireland having small population (low tax base), lack of natural resources and politicians wanting to pay welfare like an oil rich country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    theguzman wrote: »
    You really must have no idea about the middle east and quite frankly I find it very condescending. Qatar and Dubai are not Saudi Arabia, even Saudi Arabia is liberalising now due to economic pressure and Oil is declining in economic importance there, westerners are now able to travel to Saudi Arabia as Tourists for the first time, and it a country I will certainly be travelling to also.

    Most things can be done in these countries, the key is discretion and showing respect to the host nation. I can 100% guarantee you there is plenty homosexuality through the middle-east and the repressive nature of Islam actually encourages it and there would a higher percentage of Homosexuals there than this country. Alcohol can be consumed in Qatar and UAE, extra-Martial relations and sex outside of marriage is widely practised. If a person is ever in Thailand you will Arabic men are a huge proportion of the clientele of Transgender Ladyboy prostitutes.

    White Western Men are held in high regard and a blind eye turned to alot of things, out of sight out of mind, what is not tolerated is the typical Irish loutish behaviour of acting like a total eejit blind drunk and then thinking everyone else is wrong except himself and thinking his sh1t don't stink. Both countries are very safe and the people are wealthy and respectful, most of the image people have of headchoppers and madrasses is attributable to the disgraceful and misogynistic culture from Pakistan.

    In other words you wouldn't have minded living in 1950s Ireland. :rolleyes:

    I always marvel how some people, and we hear this argument all the time when discussing islamic Middle Eastern nations' cultures and freedoms, play it that these nations aren't that bad at all and sure they have lots of homosexuality, pre marital sex, drinking, etc whilst at the same time mentioning how it is all very discrete and behind closed doors.

    That is Ireland in the 30s, 40, 50s or even up to 80s.

    And the fact you can say with a straight face that Saudi Arabia is liberalising at the same time as they are butchering their journalists in foreign countries and engaging in wholesale slaughter next door.

    FFS you then lambast the "disgraceful and misogynistic culture from Pakistan."

    BTW the total eejit isn't the guy stumbling around blind drunk, it is ....

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    theguzman wrote: »
    Women are now allowed to drive albeit with restrictions, Cinemas are allowed again and Westerners are being welcomed into the country.

    Where were you to preach all this to the woman who was butchered in chop chop square a few days prior to when I left. She would've been glad to know that she can drive now!

    Also, I don't need to know who controls the oil. I work in the industry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,109 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Here's another deliberate imposed cost - Irish plumbing. The pipe size is fractionally different so as to make it incompatible with UK plumbing pipes and fittings. Why did they stop there - why not change the spacing on the prongs on electrical plugs and sockets to make those incompatible with the UK, while you are at it? That would have been another good little earner for may.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Here's another deliberate imposed cost - Irish plumbing. The pipe size is fractionally different so as to make it incompatible with UK plumbing pipes and fittings. Why did they stop there - why not change the spacing on the prongs on electrical plugs and sockets to make those incompatible with the UK, while you are at it? That would have been another good little earner for may.

    I think that's more of a holdover from the imperial / metric system of measurement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭fiveleavesleft


    hello2020 wrote: »
    well written.. i have lived in USA for 5 years and feels the same.
    cost is too high for most of the day to day needs due to in built high taxes
    quality of life is way lower than what u pay for..
    wages r low and taxes r high..
    eating out is so expensive and lacks quality (may be due to high rents n taxes)
    car insurance n car ownership is like a luxury...most of the people can not afford to buy nice, new cars or SUVs

    i think many of these issues r related to Ireland having small population (low tax base), lack of natural resources and politicians wanting to pay welfare like an oil rich country.

    Good post except its not lack, its that FF sold them all off on the cheap:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭OEP


    At the end of the day you'll find faults with every country. The Nordics have some of the highest rates of anti-depressant use and alcoholism in the world. In the US, unless you're born into a decent family you're absolutely screwed. Healthcare is a bigger shambles than here, the wealth divide is much, much greater. Spain has massive youth unemployment and salaries are crap. Germany and Benelux people are a bit boring if we're being honest. France is having lots of problems. The UK is a **** show right now and the list goes on. BUT if you're born into any of these countries (including Ireland, most western European countries, Australia etc.), you don't have it too bad at all. When comparing countries (in this case Ireland to other countries) we pick out the bad parts of Ireland and compare only to the good parts of the other country.

    We're lucky that we have the choice to easily emigrate to other places, and I think everyone should at least spend some time living and working somewhere else. You then realise that everywhere has good and bad sides.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 uptothetop


    You could go North.

    North Sentinel Island



    No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.

    That's the joke!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    OEP wrote: »
    We're lucky that we have the choice to easily emigrate to other places, and I think everyone should at least spend some time living and working somewhere else. You then realise that everywhere has good and bad sides.

    +1

    but also thinking that ppl who are considering emigrating from a place like Ireland to good few countries in Middle East (when they have no ties to the region) would have different core values than I do ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    OEP wrote: »
    At the end of the day you'll find faults with every country. The Nordics have some of the highest rates of anti-depressant use and alcoholism in the world. In the US, unless you're born into a decent family you're absolutely screwed. Healthcare is a bigger shambles than here, the wealth divide is much, much greater. Spain has massive youth unemployment and salaries are crap. Germany and Benelux people are a bit boring if we're being honest. France is having lots of problems. The UK is a **** show right now and the list goes on. BUT if you're born into any of these countries (including Ireland, most western European countries, Australia etc.), you don't have it too bad at all. When comparing countries (in this case Ireland to other countries) we pick out the bad parts of Ireland and compare only to the good parts of the other country.

    We're lucky that we have the choice to easily emigrate to other places, and I think everyone should at least spend some time living and working somewhere else. You then realise that everywhere has good and bad sides.

    We are lucky we have choice here to emigrate to other places and this is definitely a positive.And you are right lots of other countries have problems but in some areas we seem to be going down the tubes here things the op mentioned in his first post like health and housing and then we have fairly poor public transport especially if living in rural Ireland and then just in general living costs are very high here. It's understandable why people would want to move to a more affordable place rather than just be a wage slave with very little in return.It could be so much better here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 rdsopix


    theguzman wrote: »
    Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

    Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

    Sorry to see you leave, after the Irish society paid for your hospital at birth, your education, the roads you used, safety, safety standards, etc.

    Where are you moving to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    You're deluded if you think that life in other countries is better than here or that you won't encounter any problems or that you will be wealthier or necessarily happier but good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    pauliebdub wrote: »
    You're deluded if you think that life in other countries is better than here or that you won't encounter any problems or that you will be wealthier or necessarily happier but good luck.

    I dunno tbh. The nod and wink, backslapping culture here is pretty fcukin draining. There's a hell of a lot of Irish people who thrive in another country and I reckon the country itself doesn't really matter, it's just a case of literally anywhere else. Hence life definitively can be better with all the associated bells and whistles not present in the soggy island.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,109 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think that's more of a holdover from the imperial / metric system of measurement.

    No it isn't, it's straight out protectionism originally designed to feather bed Irish manufacturers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    It would be something if the OP was off to somewhere in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, the States or Canada, but they are supposedly off to Qatar.
    Yep the future hosts of the world cup that has cost the most in lives.

    FFS to bitch about Ireland, claiming you are leaving to go somewhere better and then in the next post say you are off to Qatar has to be a bit of a pi**take.

    Anyway just for the Op here are some rules for expats in Qatar.
    Although they seem to be a self anointed expert on all Middle East so probably know it all already.

    1. No public displays of affection
    2. No shoulders or knees showing in public.
    3. No travel abroad, no buying car, no renting a place, no loans without your boss’s permission.
    4. No booze, well you can get a license to buy it with your boss's permission.
    5. No phones in the gym - not a bad rule if you ask me. :D
    6. No nudity in the change rooms - well for women anyway.
    7. Don't be sick or you won't pass the medical.
    8. Don't flip the bird whilst driving or even on social media.
    9. Don't complain or criticise the rulers.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    I see people would prefer to criticize the country I merely stated is an attractive option, I am not confirmed to go there merely thinking about it plus other countries.

    Money and wealth is important to me and I don't care about Homosexual rights or if Nepali labourers get mistreated, not my problem, I look out for no. 1 and that is me and my legacy, saving wealth for my future and my children.

    The traditional way of life in Ireland is totally under attack and you can't do anything here because everything is structured for the pigs in the trough. Taxes are far far too high when social spending should be vastly slashed and the public sector severely reduced and outsourced.

    I don't even bother to complain about the weather because there is nothing I can do other than continue to fill my airmiles account to escape it as often as possible. Irish culture isn't as great as we think it to be, there is huge jealousy of anyone trying to do the right thing and a reverse type of snobbery. People can whinge all they want but personal responsibility is almost an unheard of thing nowadays as it is always someone else fault for everything. The pursuit of wealth and happiness in Ireland has been forgotten in the name of equality and diversity, basically drag everyone down into the gutter and let everyone be poor and miserable together.

    The middle class in Ireland has been crushed and there exists merely the working poor and ultra-wealthy now, unlike the leftwing fools I don't begrudge or despise the rich, I aspire to better myself to be like them and with hard work and smart decisions anything is possible. For all the people who think Ireland is some sort of great place then they should buy some air tickets because Ireland is not a bad place at all but there is so much better out there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Savage93


    theguzman wrote: »
    I see people would prefer to criticize the country I merely stated is an attractive option, I am not confirmed to go there merely thinking about it plus other countries.

    Money and wealth is important to me and I don't care about Homosexual rights or if Nepali labourers get mistreated, not my problem, I look out for no. 1 and that is me and my legacy, saving wealth for my future and my children.

    The traditional way of life in Ireland is totally under attack and you can't do anything here because everything is structured for the pigs in the trough. Taxes are far far too high when social spending should be vastly slashed and the public sector severely reduced and outsourced.

    I don't even bother to complain about the weather because there is nothing I can do other than continue to fill my airmiles account to escape it as often as possible. Irish culture isn't as great as we think it to be, there is huge jealousy of anyone trying to do the right thing and a reverse type of snobbery. People can whinge all they want but personal responsibility is almost an unheard of thing nowadays as it is always someone else fault for everything. The pursuit of wealth and happiness in Ireland has been forgotten in the name of equality and diversity, basically drag everyone down into the gutter and let everyone be poor and miserable together.

    The middle class in Ireland has been crushed and there exists merely the working poor and ultra-wealthy now, unlike the leftwing fools I don't begrudge or despise the rich, I aspire to better myself to be like them and with hard work and smart decisions anything is possible. For all the people who think Ireland is some sort of great place then they should buy some air tickets because Ireland is not a bad place at all but there is so much better out there.

    Are you still here?
    Agnes fukcing bored now so piss off!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    theguzman wrote: »
    Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550
    What? Since when?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    What? Since when?

    That's in jointly assessed cases.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭PistolsAtDawn


    Stanford wrote: »
    Great, a country where slavery is still legal,.....enjoy

    Only an issue if you are a slave


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭NSAman


    rdsopix wrote: »
    Sorry to see you leave, after the Irish society paid for your hospital at birth, your education, the roads you used, safety, safety standards, etc.

    Where are you moving to?

    Silly comment. Some of us still put a huge amount of money into the economy by way of cash going home to maintain our families there. We also spend lots of cash when we come home to visit. Each time I come home I drop a couple of thousand.

    I probably put more into the economy cash wise than many people pay in tax.

    You DO realise that during the period of 1920 to 1970 3 billion POUNDS was sent to Ireland by those people who had to emigrate? That figure does not include the cash that was sent to family through the post etc..etc.

    You currently live in a country that would not be as wealthy without the support of people who emigrated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭zweton


    How about the Netherlands? Have heard good things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 612 ✭✭✭KevinCavan


    zweton wrote: »
    How about the Netherlands? Have heard good things.

    It would be a cool place to live


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Is he gone yet???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,109 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Try_harder wrote: »
    Is he gone yet???

    Try harder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    The very best of luck to you op. So many people can no longer see beyond their nose here because they are so caught up in actually trying to survive that bettering themselves becomes simply unattainable.And you are right diversity is just let's drag everyone down and be the same. Just look at the misery slot on the Late Late show every Friday night, no chance of letting people enjoy the show and relax after a hard week no people have to be reminded of misery everywhere we go it's like a national pass time, meanwhile we fail to celebrate enough the good.But at the end of the day everyone is an individual and not a clone of another and each should be given the opportunity to be their best and the best version of themselves but it's not like that here now.Backwards we're going not forwards.The number of likes to your post just shows how much your points have resonated with people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭NSAman


    I find it funny that those who keep saying "bye" are the ones I am sure will cry when things tank again as they inevitably will in Ireland. (There has been a pattern there for decades).

    Personally, I have been through 3 "downturns" since I started working (not including the one that was there before I started working). My parents emigrated and came back to Ireland. They worked hard, sending money back to their parents, brothers and sisters keeping them in clothes and food etc.

    I would never knock anyone trying something different. It is not easy to pick up sticks and start a life again in another country. Anyone who has ever tried it, knows how difficult it is to be thousands of miles from home, no family to turn to when times get tough. You get on with it all.

    If the OP is pee'd off about tax, that is one issue. I DO understand how much of your paycheck goes to keep certain sections of society in a comfortable situation without any benefit to you. However, this happens almost everywhere.

    I am one of the lucky ones, who has managed to thrive in my new homeland. I have done pretty ok, by all standards. Has this managed to dampen the missing of family? No. Has it made loosing a father while here easier? ABSOLUTELY NOT. While flights are easy, the phone is there to communicate, there is facetime and facebook etc... it still does not make missing a hug from your mum or siblings something you just want.

    I understand home sickness more than most. I do understand that I have amazing friends here. (I have people who literally would put themselves in the line of fire for me... not that I would ever let them do that)

    There are great things about every country. There are things that P*SS you off about any country. You weigh the pros and cons of anywhere. I love being here for the following reasons:

    The ability to have made an amazing standard of living.
    The yes attitude that pervades
    The lack of an "oulde" bohys network.
    The sense of freedom that I feel (no speed traps in cameras)
    The ability to just DO things without being judged on failure.

    Things that I hate about here:

    The lack of empathy for people in general.
    The sheer lack of medical coverage for people.
    The astronomical cost of educating kids to a bad standard.
    People HAVING to work two or three jobs
    Family units being broken apart wholesale by divorce, employment and economic issues.

    Like everywhere, you make the most of it. You thrive in the environment if you work hard and have luck. As I said I AM one of the lucky ones.

    Still want to go home (even if part-time) shortly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    There is this article quoting a Credit Suisse report; struggles of what they call "unlucky millenials" are quite common (especially in North America)
    https://bigthink.com/robby-berman/global-wealth-inequality-is-even-worse-than-we-thought-millennials-are-the-new-peasants

    The Credit Suisse report summarizes, “Millennials are doing less well than their parents at the same age, especially in relation to income, home ownership and other dimensions of well- being assessed in this report. While Millennials are more educated than preceding generations…we expect only a minority of high achievers and those in high- effectively overcome the 'millennial disadvantage.'"

    - If OP is same generation, this can be a risk by default, everywhere they would go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,894 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    mvl wrote:
    There is this article quoting a Credit Suisse report; struggles of what they call "unlucky millenials" are quite common (especially in North America)


    But wealth trickles down, so it's all probably just stuck in sorting offices around the world, it ll be resolved eventually


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