Sryanonese: A brand new language

sryanbruen · 16-10-2015 5:14pm #1

Okay I am happy to introduce my own language named after myself (and this is not any made up language by some random person though I am still working on it).

My site sryanonese.weebly.com (currently but should be sryanonese.com when I get it completed) will give all the details you will need whether it is verb conjugation, irregular verbs, grammar, vocabulary and even exercises for you to practice!

Sryanonese is a bit tricky sometimes because for example, for the Future Tense (Nontíot Luíc in Sryanonese), you use the pronoun, present tense of the irregular verb Tias (To turn) and the infinitive of the regular verb (so the verb stays the same). In Sryanonese, there is no specific syntax, you just have to learn off different sentences though there are some patterns you will recognise!

More tricky features about Sryanonese

*You use the verb Tias when you talk about your age (so you literally say I turn 13, 14 etc in Sryanonese) (Example: Uai tia sa tout - I turn 2)
*There is no word for "Every" in Sryanonese so you must learn off different vocabulary for it. For example, to make things less confusing of what I mean

Every Tuesday - ouil Muire Literally "give Tuesday"
Every month - míonta díoin Literally "month year"

*There are 23 irregular verbs
*It is not allowed in Sryanonese to use mathematical symbols when doing Maths questions in the language. So for example, 2 X 3 = 6 (Sryanonese would be "Tout nír rudi = s'hout"). You might also notice when adding, subtracting, multiplying OR dividing numbers, you do not put in the "sa". However, for your answer, YOU DO.

There are plenty more tricky features and I gotta say it was a tricky language to make

. It was a lot of hard work too :rolleyes:. It is not all hard and challenging, however, as some things such as the BESE DE TON WID - days of the week are very straight forward. See for example:

Monday - Luire
Tuesday - Muire
Wednesday - Chuire
Thursday - Duire
Friday - Auire
Saturday - Suire
Sunday - Druire

Another easy thing about the language is, there are no male OR female nouns - you just need to learn off a few rules for example words ending in 'íon' or 'e'.

sryanbruen · 27-10-2015 9:41pm

I'm gonna start posting one new topic each day to this thread!

Pronunciation in brackets

Uai - Me (ooee)
Phai - You (fay)
Rei - He (ray)
Trei - She (tray)
Lei - We (lay)
Luie - You (plural) (louis / luis)
Reie - They (masculine) (ray)
Treie - They (feminine) (tray)

sryanbruen · 28-10-2015 7:58pm

Pronunciation in brackets

Si-even - What (Sy-eevin)
Si-eir - Who (Sy-air)
Si-rie - Where (Sy-ree)
Si-pol - When (Sipul)
Si-neve - Why (Sy-niamh/neev)
Si-ire - How (Sy-ire)

Si-ire í phai - How are you (sy-ire ee fay)
Si-even nu ti reen - What is your name (sy-eevin new t reen)
Si-rie í phai to - Where are you from (sy-ree ee fay toe)
Si-pol rie phai diontar - When were you born (sipul ree fay deentar)
Si-neve phai poutan - Why you ask (sy-niamh/neev fay pooton)
Phai í resaix - Are you okay (fay ee res-ice)
Phai í esuyp - Are you well (fay ee es-u-p)
Si-even res phai míon toogias - What do you like to do (sy-eevin res fay mean toogias)
Si-ire í phai tooglín - How are you doing (sy-ire ee fay toogleen)
Si-ire nu hiesses - How is everything (sy-ire new he-s's)
Si-ire ti lariess tyanoín phai - How's life been treating you (sy-ire t lar-e-s's tie a nine een fay)

Tip: When asking questions such as "Are you okay?" or "Are you well?", in Sryanonese, make sure you write the pronoun first and then "í' (are, as in question). However, when there is a question word such as "what" or "who", it always translates as the way it would in English.

Does the pronunciations help?

Caoimhgh1n · 28-10-2015 8:54pm

What is your aim with this language? How far are you expecting it to go?

sryanbruen · 28-10-2015 9:11pm

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

What is your aim with this language? How far are you expecting it to go?

The aim of Sryanonese, like any language, is getting out into the world to be spoken. I don't expect to grow very popular like English, Spanish, French, Mandarin etc but I'm speaking it to all the people I know and they find it pretty easy compared to the languages they learn - largely due to what they have been taught so far

:P. They won't be saying that when they get to the stage of words such as 'every' or 'a' which both have multiple translations - depending on the tense or the noun. How do you find the language so far? How I come up with new words for every word in the English language is like this:

1. I listen to a certain song
2. I list the English words in it which I haven't translated yet into Sryanonese
3. If any of the new words are verbs, I conjugate each into every tense - whether regular OR irregular.

Like, right now, I have done so far 9 out of 23 irregular verbs.

I am working right now on translating my friends' songs 'cause I have done my one. It is just a new language of communication - so nothing very special like. There are plenty of irregular translations in Sryanonese! - downfall to it, so if you learn it, you better get thinking!

Caoimhgh1n · 28-10-2015 9:14pm

I honestly wish you the best, I love languages! I'm currently in the process of learning another two at the moment, so I wouldn't have any time for Syranonese.

sryanbruen · 28-10-2015 9:15pm

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

I honestly wish you the best, I love languages! I'm currently in the process of learning another two at the moment, so I wouldn't have any time for Syranonese.

Thank you. It is hard work, that's all I can say! :rolleyes:

Roselm · 28-10-2015 9:22pm

You say there is no syntax and you have to learn off sentences. How will people be able to explain novel ideas if there are no syntax rules? You couldn't only have learnt phrases...

sryanbruen · 28-10-2015 9:27pm

Roselm wrote: »

You say there is no syntax and you have to learn off sentences. How will people be able to explain novel ideas if there are no syntax rules? You couldn't only have learnt phrases...

No there is no specific syntax but an average sentence would be something like:

pronoun - verb (conjugated) - noun - article - adjective

Example

Uai dest píotí líon pounta - I am a nice person - but literally, I am person a nice

If you keep checking out the updates each day, you will find Sryanonese much easier.

feargale · 29-10-2015 2:57am

Where are these friends of yours who speak it? Can you direct us to this Sryanonese gaeltacht?

Caoimhgh1n · 29-10-2015 10:27am

feargale wrote: »

Sryanonese gaeltacht?

Syranontacht*

Really though, good question.

sryanbruen · 29-10-2015 10:41am

feargale wrote: »

Where are these friends of yours who speak it? Can you direct us to this Sryanonese gaeltacht?

We're all in Dublin! But you don't have to move anywhere if you feel like learning the language - because this thread is all you need.

endacl · 29-10-2015 10:45am

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

What is your aim with this language? How far are you expecting it to go?

Has the potential to be the new Klingon.

OwaynOTT · 29-10-2015 10:46am

Get back to Mario Maker!

sryanbruen · 29-10-2015 10:47am

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Get back to Mario Maker!

I am in Super Mario Maker? I am in the weather forum. I have so many jobs - I like being busy. Anyways.. :cool:

sryanbruen · 29-10-2015 10:51am

Sa nout - One
Sa tout - Two
Sa rudi - Three
Sa puyter - Four
S'nacy - Five
S'hout - Six
S'wipon - Seven
Sa lerton - Eight
S'quaoi - Nine
Sa dramer - Ten
S'hipon - Eleven
S'eiste - Twelve
Sa tern - Thirteen
Sa bern - Fourteen
S'quern - Fifteen
Sa yern - Sixteen
Sa tipon - Seventeen
S'nerton - Eighteen
S'caeri - Nineteen
Sa ruity - Twenty
Sa ruit-nout - Twenty one
Sa ruit-tout - Twenty two
Sa ruit-rudi - Twenty three
Sa gnero - Thirty
Sa gner-nout - Thirty one
S'herta - Forty
S'hert-nout - Forty one
Sa xiere - Fifty
S'eile - Sixty
S'qipone - Seventy
S'cothero - Eighty
Sa mhuitopa - Ninety
S'nertobine - One hundred

Tip: All ten digits from 20 onwards (20,30,40 etc) end on a vowel and to form numbers such as 21, 33, 46 etc, you take off the vowel and add the extra number.

For example of one that isn't there above,

70 = s'qipone
71 = s'qipon-nout

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 10:56am

Tias is one of the most used verbs in Sryanonese even though, you rarely use the verb "To turn" in English.
It is an irregular verb so must be learnt off by heart.
The verb is used when telling the direction OR age.

Past Tense:

Uai tura - I turned / I was (an age)
Phai tura - You turned / You were (an age)
Rei tura
Trei tura
Lei turaíon
Luie turaín
Reie turi
Treie turi

Present Tense:

Uai tia - I turn / I am (an age)
Phai tian
Rei tian
Trei tian
Lei tion
Luie tiev
Reie tiane
Treie tiane

Future Tense:

Uai tia coíp - I will turn / I will be (an age)
Phai tian coíp
Rei tian coíp
Trei tian coíp
Lei tion coíp
Luie tiev coíp
Reie tiane coíp
Treie tiane coíp

So examples of sentences would include:

I am 20 = Uai tia sa ruity
You are 6 = Phai tian s'hout

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 10:58am

Here are some exercises to practice using the verb Tias to describe your age.

She is 1. _________________________.
I am 6. ___________________________.
You (pl.) are 4. ____________________.
He is 9. __________________________.
I am 7. ___________________________.
Geraldine is 5. ____________________.
Luke is 3. ________________________.

seachto7 · 30-10-2015 11:17am

How about people make an effort to learn Irish instead.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 11:33am

seachto7 wrote: »

How about people make an effort to learn Irish instead.

Because of how horrifically taught in school it is

Pat Mustard · 30-10-2015 11:33am

sryanbruen wrote: »

*It is not allowed in Sryanonese to use mathematical symbols when doing Maths questions in the language. So for example, 2 X 3 = 6 (Sryanonese would be "Tout nír rudi = s'hout"). You might also notice when adding, subtracting, multiplying OR dividing numbers, you do not put in the "sa". However, for your answer, YOU DO.

The "=" sign is a mathematical symbol used for the following reason:

to avoid the tedious repetition of these words: "is equal to"

Caoimhgh1n · 30-10-2015 11:34am

sryanbruen wrote: »

Because of how horrifically taught in school it is

It's not the teachers fault, they have to teach the syllabus.

Also, just because you don't like how its taught in schools, isn't a reason not to learn it and learn your language instead.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 11:43am

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

It's not the teachers fault, they have to teach the syllabus.

Also, just because you don't like how its taught in schools, isn't a reason not to learn it and learn your language instead.

I try my best to teach myself it and it is very hard and I am not blaming the teachers. In fact, I sent in a complaint to the Minister for Education.

Caoimhgh1n · 30-10-2015 11:45am

Not as hard as your language..

Michael D Not Higgins · 30-10-2015 11:47am

There's a logical disconnect between the units and tens. You have a base ten maths system but the naming of the numbers isn't logical.

Michael D Not Higgins · 30-10-2015 11:58am

I'd also add why are you starting a new language with irregular verbs. These exist for historical and evolving language purposes, but to include them just to emulate modern language seems strange. Esperanto for example has no irregular verbs.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:00pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

I'd also add why are you starting a new language with irregular verbs. These exist for historical and evolving language purposes, but to include them just to emulate modern language seems strange. Esperanto for example has no irregular verbs.

'Cause it is my choice. You are really just saying that because you hate irregular verbs and wish all were regular - so things are easier. Well Sryanonese is not a particularly easy language and I never planned it to be an easy one.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:08pm

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

Not as hard as your language..

The only reason you find it hard is because you are just starting off - like I found French originally hard at first, but now I find it extremely easy. Same with my language, I learn it everyday - so I myself can be fluent - and it is a tricky language - but I find it easier than Irish. Maybe I wouldn't find it easier than Irish if the curriculum wasn't so bad for Irish. Things I find tricky about the Sryanonese language compared to others:

*The use of the verb Tias (To turn) to describe your age - but this becomes easy once you practice.
*Multiple translations for the words 'every' & 'a'.
*Irregular verbal nouns (most are regular though)
*Modal verbs (oh these will terrify you)
*The superlative adjective (like Irish for the comparative, it has a special form of the adjective)

Whilst very easy things:

*Days of the week
*Months of the year
*Plurals
*The modal verbs, "should", "could" and "would".
*Telling the time (once ya know your numbers and Rei dest (It is)
*Holidays

Example of an irregular verbal noun would be "skizzeín" - which means swimming. However, without the 'ín', it becomes street.

Example of a regular verbal noun would be "bioyín" - which means bowling. However, without the 'ín', it becomes the verb "to bowl".

Btw Caoimhgh1n, I thought you didn't have time (or didn't want to...) to learn Sryanonese?

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:09pm

Pat Mustard wrote: »

The "=" sign is a mathematical symbol used for the following reason:

Oh sorry, I should have been more specific. Mathematical symbols, -, +, divide, x. Not symbols such as "=". That was my fault, sorry for confusing.

Michael D Not Higgins · 30-10-2015 12:09pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

'Cause it is my choice. You are really just saying that because you hate irregular verbs and wish all were regular - so things are easier. Well Sryanonese is not a particularly easy language and I never planned it to be an easy one.

Fair enough, that's your choice. It just seems unnecessary. I understand why it exists in fictional languages (someone mention Klingon earlier) in order to emulate evolving languages, but not a new language you hope other people will learn and use. In this sense it discourages and makes learning more difficult.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:11pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Fair enough, that's your choice. It just seems unnecessary. I understand why it exists in fictional languages (someone mention Klingon earlier) in order to emulate evolving languages, but not a new language you hope other people will learn and use. In this sense it discourages and makes learning more difficult.

Like any language, however, with or without irregular verbs, it is hard to learn once you don't practice using them. However, if ya do, it becomes much easier. Like I know, the verbs To be, to turn, to go, to play (all irregular) off by heart right now. Why? because I practiced using them.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:17pm

A tip to everybody about the numbers of why some have apostrophes where the "a" is supposed to be.

This only applies to numbers and seasons, in Sryanonese, "a" is not allowed go beside the following letters:

*h
*w
*q
*n
*c
*k
*any vowel

The two big exceptions are the number one and Winter.

1 = Sa nout
Winter = Sa wride

The reason why for this is because of how weird it sounds when you say Sa with the following letters of the second word. For example,

6 = S'hout (better way of saying it) (pronounced like "suit")
compared to
6 = Sa hout (see the strange pronunciation)

Pat Mustard · 30-10-2015 12:22pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Oh sorry, I should have been more specific. Mathematical symbols, -, +, divide, x. Not symbols such as "=". That was my fault, sorry for confusing.

Like I said before, "=" is a mathematical symbol.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:24pm

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Like I said before, "=" is a mathematical symbol.

Yeah and as I said only the mathematical symbols - instead you use very short words in Sryanonese such as tír (multiply).

-
+
divide
x

Michael D Not Higgins · 30-10-2015 12:25pm

Hypothetically if someone was writing a complex equation in Sryanonese, would they have to use the language's words for +, -, etc.?

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:26pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Here are some exercises to practice using the verb Tias to describe your age.

She is 1. _________________________.
I am 6. ___________________________.
You (pl.) are 4. ____________________.
He is 9. __________________________.
I am 7. ___________________________.
Geraldine is 5. ____________________.
Luke is 3. ________________________.

Ianse pó exrecsie (Answers to exercises)

She is 1 - Trei tian sa nout.
I am 6 - Uai tia s'hout.
You (pl.) are 4 - Luie tiev sa puyter.
He is 9 - Rei tian s'quaoi.
I am 7 - Uai tia s'wipon.
Geraldine is 5 - Geraldine tian s'nacy.
Luke is 3 - Luke tian sa rudi.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:27pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Hypothetically if someone was writing a complex equation in Sryanonese, would they have to use the language's words for +, -, etc.?

Yeah but you would be surprised of how short they are

Michael D Not Higgins · 30-10-2015 12:30pm

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. It seems crazy to rewrite the following in words than in symbols. It would also mean that maths would have to be relearned for any native speakers/writers.

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sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:34pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. It seems crazy to rewrite the following in words than in symbols. It would also mean that maths would have to be relearned for any native speakers/writers.

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Oh wait I didn't think this long and hard enough. How would you like if I get rid of that silly Maths rule? It is very confusing to even me because I was doing a few equations and a negative number (-2, -3 etc) looks so wrong. Thank you for helping me realize this.

Michael D Not Higgins · 30-10-2015 12:39pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Oh wait I didn't think this long and hard enough. How would you like if I get rid of that silly Maths rule? It is very confusing to even me because I was doing a few equations and a negative number (-2, -3 etc) looks so wrong. Thank you for helping me realize this.

Yeah there's a reason why maths is fairly universal in the symbols and layout. By all means, translate the symbols to your language for use when speaking.

Caoimhgh1n · 30-10-2015 12:48pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Btw Caoimhgh1n, I thought you didn't have time (or didn't want to...) to learn Sryanonese?

No, I don't. Does commenting on your language automatically contradict everything I've said, or something?

By the way, I don't think text speak is allowed.

sryanbruen · 30-10-2015 12:51pm

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

No, I don't. Does commenting on your language automatically contradict everything I've said, or something?

By the way, I don't think text speak is allowed.

Kinda does, because you could be using the said time learning the 2 languages you said you were learning.

Caoimhgh1n · 30-10-2015 12:53pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Kinda does, because you could be using the said time learning the 2 languages you said you were learning.

If I spent more than the 30 minutes per language I do each day, I wouldn't remember as much. Quality is better than quantity.

sryanbruen · 31-10-2015 12:08pm

Luire - Monday
Muire - Tuesday
Chuire - Wednesday
Duire - Thursday
Auire - Friday
Suire - Saturday
Druire - Sunday

sryanbruen · 31-10-2015 12:08pm

S'kriatrie - Spring
Sa prohetun - Summer
S'autoure - Autumn
Sa wride - Winter

sryanbruen · 31-10-2015 12:09pm

Jeinoir - January
Feiboir - February
Mathes - March
Aítean - April
Maine - May
Jaine - June
Júl - July
Autra - August
Sepebrée - September
Octobrée - October
Novimbrée - November
Decimbrée - December

sonny.knowles · 31-10-2015 12:16pm

How do you say 'you need to up your medication' in this language?

Rabo Karabekian · 31-10-2015 12:22pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Like any language, however, with or without irregular verbs, it is hard to learn once you don't practice using them. However, if ya do, it becomes much easier. Like I know, the verbs To be, to turn, to go, to play (all irregular) off by heart right now. Why? because I practiced using them.

I'm still a little confused as to why you made these verbs irregular. Is it just to make your language look like a 'proper' language? Irregular verbs developed because they were in such high use, if you really want this language to take off, why not allow it to evolve naturally?

The same kind of thing applies to numbers in that there doesn't seem to be a connection in the words for (say) 6, 16 and 60. Is that done on purpose?

sryanbruen · 31-10-2015 12:23pm

sonny.knowles wrote: »

How do you say 'you need to up your medication' in this language?

Phai nedtom pó utsuto gut medí
(You) (need) (to) (up) (your) (medication)

Pronunciation

Fay netom po utsooto gut medee

You could also say

Phai nedtom pó utsuto phainte medí
(You) (need) (to) (up) (your) (medication)

Pronunciation

Fay netom po utsooto faint medee

Tip: You can either say "phainte" or "gut" for "your" in Sryanonese as for words such as "yours", "mine" or "theirs" - there are TWO translations of each and it is your option to choose which you'd like to say.

sryanbruen · 31-10-2015 12:29pm

Rabo Karabekian wrote: »

I'm still a little confused as to why you made these verbs irregular. Is it just to make your language look like a 'proper' language? Irregular verbs developed because they were in such high use, if you really want this language to take off, why not allow it to evolve naturally?

The same kind of thing applies to numbers in that there doesn't seem to be a connection in the words for (say) 6, 16 and 60. Is that done on purpose?

There is a reason why I said it was a tricky language and is not supposed to be easy. One way to show how irregular verbs are evolving "naturally" in Sryanonese is that the Future Tense is regular for every verb except Tias (because you use the present tense of this and the infinitive of a verb to make it the future tense). The Future Tense in Sryanonese is similar to the Futur Sampla in French. For Tias, we simply say

Pronoun + present tense of tias + coíp (only to be used with Tias).

There are also a couple of similar endings in the tenses for irregular verbs - by this means, I mean that they don't match the regular but other irregular verbs. I wanted irregular verbs to make it a tricky language - not to make it look like the popular ones.

Look at the connection of the days of the week and months of the year - they are very easy to learn.

mattP · 31-10-2015 12:35pm

I love etymology so im just curious
Do you dip your hand into a scrabble bag when creating a new word, or is there some form of meaning to it in connection with another language, or previously existing words in this language?

Sryanonese: A brand new language

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