Sryanonese: A brand new language

Caoimhgh1n

sryanbruen wrote: »

Sorry but are you forgetting I'm still writing the language? I know all basic stuff in Sryanonese which is literally what I'm doing. There are so many basic words to make before I move onto words such as adolescent or enthusiasm.

Okay.

Fluorescence

Interesting thread.

Out of curiosity, how much of the language have you built so far? You may not have a word count, but perhaps a list of topics that you can use your language to discuss?

Another question, what is your pronunciation convention? A lot seems heavily derived from Irish - is that generally the case?

Finally, what made you decide to make your own language? You mention a background in French and Irish, do you speak any other languages? Or either of those fluently?

I'd just like to add that for a teen you're doing very well so far. It might be worth reading up on linguistics and etymology in general, see how they apply to other languages you speak, and then use those skills and ideas to improve your language.

Best of luck!

sryanbruen

Things I've wrote so far

Pronouns
Numbers
Sports
Prepositions
Adjectives
Tenses
Question words
Irregular verbs (10 now out of 23)
Seasons
Months of the year
Days of the week
Conjunctions
Everyday questions
Greetings
Regular verbs (approximately 36 conjugated and 44 named)
Modal verbs (1 out of 4 conjugated - they're very hard)
Types of schools
School subjects
Transport
Directions
Holidays
Music genres
Music instruments
Verbal nouns
Plurals (I said this already but plurals hardly require effort of how easy they are)
Meats
Phrases (I have done 1 good phrase, I must work on them more) (The phrase is Dest stearíon goode líon ton hial liev - A good start is half the battle) (though it literally translates as "is to start good a the half battle)
Illnesses / Diseases
Body parts
Colours
Clothes
Fruits
Time of day
Telling the clock
Countries
The negative response (so like, "can't" or "don't")
Possessions (so like "yours" or "mine")
The comparative adjective
The superlative adjective
Indefinite article
Weather
Jobs / Occupations
Facilities

Next thing I will do is Animals. Feel free to add in suggestions of a topic!

looksee

sryanbruen wrote: »

Then it's exercise - happy? :mad:

Yes "scam" as in look through. I already am promoting through friends and I am only a teen - I can't promote big yet! Any translations you will need can be done at this translator and any new words are thrown into it as soon as I make them

http://lingojam.com/Sryanonese

And any sentences you ask for to translate, it helps me a lot and the sentences are added to the translator such as the one sonny.knowles asked

I think the word you are looking for is scan rather than scam, there is a quite significant difference.

There is no reason to be 'mad' at accepting this is an exercise, its very good mental exercise to do something like this. I would be more concerned if you thought it was going to be established as a regular language. A number of people have written new languages, including Tolkien, who also started in his teens.

I think it is comparable to painting a picture or writing a piece of music.

sryanbruen

Fluorescence wrote: »

Interesting thread.

Out of curiosity, how much of the language have you built so far? You may not have a word count, but perhaps a list of topics that you can use your language to discuss?

Another question, what is your pronunciation convention? A lot seems heavily derived from Irish - is that generally the case?

Finally, what made you decide to make your own language? You mention a background in French and Irish, do you speak any other languages? Or either of those fluently?

I'd just like to add that for a teen you're doing very well so far. It might be worth reading up on linguistics and etymology in general, see how they apply to other languages you speak, and then use those skills and ideas to improve your language.

Best of luck!

No, that is not the case :cool:. And in Sryanonese, we don't use the word "fada" to describe this symbol that is on the á. We say (well I ) it is called a sound emphasiser as it puts an emphasis on the letter. Like you don't just say í (ee) you say as it is actually 3 ees - so it makes it longer. A big reason why Sryanonese is not heavily copying Irish is that, there are no eclipses (úrús) or aspirations (séimhiús). I would be fluent into spelling if there was such a language as I always got A+ at the top of a spelling test whether it is English, Irish or French - the three languages I learn. Well in first year, I was taught a bit of Spanish after Halloween. Then in the January, we chose the language we wanted to learn, French was my choice! And I love it! Irish I love as a language but it's so hard because of how the way it is taught. I would be fluent into Irish at this stage if it weren't so horrifically taught. After all in primary, everybody used to say Seán (my birth name, though I much prefer Sryan, though it is just my stage name) how are you so good at Irish? Back then, I used to very rarely make a mistake in Irish and I also enjoyed doing it! Why? Because I was being taught properly. The secondary school Irish course needs to change! I have forgotten about nearly everything I learnt in primary thanks to secondary stressing me over crap like Poetry or Short Stories which I haven't clue what I'm writing down. I know French a good bit as I also went to France and spoke it among people during my holidays in Paris. I am already trying to improve things such as some of the vocabulary in the topics as some of them are so hard to even memorize - so I'm making things a bit easier. Only to suggest - it could change OR not (like I'm not doing with the irregular verbs), feel free to throw in stuff you think should be changed as I give a new topic(s) everyday. Another way to show I'm not heavily copying Irish is because, the Future Tense doesn't have endings and is regular except for the verb Tias which I've already mentioned how to do.

sryanbruen

These were originally exercises in my powerpoint for Sryanonese but I'll give them here as simple sentences.

Regular verbs (R) / Irregular verbs (IR)

1. I thought I was six
Uai tíochí tura s'hout (R)
2. I play the Guitar
Uai siope ton Gitó (IR)
3. I am fifteen
Uai tia s'quern (IR)
4. I like Music
Uai mím Singeanta (IR)
5. I fight you
Uai baeníil phai (R)
6. You caught the football
Phai cathiasu ton foutetó (R)
7. What is your name?
Si-even nu ti reen?
8. Are you well?
Phai í esuyp?
9. What do you like to do?
Si-even res phai míon toogias?
10. Do you like History?
Res phai míon Yitz? - baes (be-is), uai baesmím Yitz - No I don't like History
11. I see you
Uai creasí phai (R)

Fluorescence

When I mentioned similarities to Irish, I was talking about pronunciation. Fadas, or accents, or sound emphasisers as you're calling them, elongate vowels in Irish as well

A is Ah but Á is Aww
I is Eh but Í is Ee etc

So that to me seems the same as what you've said (which is not a criticism, just an observation).

Earlier you mentioned your sryanonese word for soccer is seochlá (shuck-law), which is exactly how it would be pronounced in Irish. Which is what made me curious as to the general pronunciation of your language. The rules seem to be consistent with Irish pronunciation.

sryanbruen

Fluorescence wrote: »

When I mentioned similarities to Irish, I was talking about pronunciation. Fadas, or accents, or sound emphasisers as you're calling them, elongate vowels in Irish as well

A is Ah but Á is Aww
I is Eh but Í is Ee etc

So that to me seems the same as what you've said (which is not a criticism, just an observation).

Earlier you mentioned your sryanonese word for soccer is seochlá (shuck-law), which is exactly how it would be pronounced in Irish. Which is what made me curious as to the general pronunciation of your language. The rules seem to be consistent with Irish pronunciation.

Oh yeah... the pronunciation is supposed to be like Irish. Just held a bit longer when you come across the sound emphasiser. Why, is there anything wrong with that?

sryanbruen

sryanbruen wrote: »

These were originally exercises in my powerpoint for Sryanonese but I'll give them here as simple sentences.

Regular verbs (R) / Irregular verbs (IR)

1. I thought I was six
Uai tíochí tura s'hout (R)
2. I play the Guitar
Uai siope ton Gitó (IR)
3. I am fifteen
Uai tia s'quern (IR)
4. I like Music
Uai mím Singeanta (IR)
5. I fight you
Uai baeníil phai (R)
6. You caught the football
Phai cathiasu ton foutetó (R)
7. What is your name?
Si-even nu ti reen?
8. Are you well?
Phai í esuyp?
9. What do you like to do?
Si-even res phai míon toogias?
10. Do you like History?
Res phai míon Yitz? - baes (be-is), uai baesmím Yitz - No I don't like History
11. I see you
Uai creasí phai (R)

You may also notice here in the first sentence, uai (I) is used twice in English but not in Sryanonese. This is because, you cannot repeat the same pronoun unless it is separated by a different pronoun. For example, see here what is not allowed and what is:

Uai-phai-uai - ✓
Uai-uai-phai - X

So, you leave out the pronoun if it has the second kind of sentence ^ and put in its verb. Put in the pronoun's original verb conjugation - even without it.
Like in the first sentence,

Uai tíochí tura s'hout
(I) (thought) (turned) (six)
Literally ^

Tura is the verb, Tias, in the past tense for the pronouns, Uai, Phai, Rei & Trei. You can tell which one the sentence is saying in English! You first look to see if there is a pronoun in front of the verb conjugation, in this case, tura and there is none. So you look at the start of the sentence (average sentence, not phrases which are more tricky) and see if there is a pronoun. In this case, there is and it's "uai" which means "I" or "me" and since there is no other pronoun before tura, it means "I turned" OR "I was (an age)". Is this too confusing?

Fluorescence

sryanbruen wrote: »

Oh yeah... the pronunciation is supposed to be like Irish. Just held a bit longer when you come across the sound emphasiser. Why, is there anything wrong with that?

Nope, just curious as to the overall convention. Learning the general pronunciation of characters is the first thing I always do when I learn a language. That way you can make sense of what you hear and read what you see.

sryanbruen

Fluorescence wrote: »

Nope, just curious as to the overall convention. Learning the general pronunciation of characters is the first thing I always do when I learn a language. That way you can make sense of what you hear and read what you see.

Okay.. but the one difference is that, the sound emphasiser holds the letter a bit longer! Just reminding!

the dark phantom

Very interesting, Well done.. Does Sryanonese have curse words ? If so throw some up..

sryanbruen

the dark phantom wrote: »

Very interesting, Well done.. Does Sryanonese have curse words ? If so throw some up..

Why so you can say Sryanonese is a load of bollox?

sryanbruen

Replitz - Easter
Níllím - Christmas
Jakole - Halloween
Dion loi - New year
Dione loi bes - New Year's Day
Dione loi ead - New Year's Eve
Níllím bes - Christmas Day
Níllím ead - Christmas Eve
Máirtín tíol iúool bes - Martin Luther King Jr. Day
Sole iad bes - All Saint's Day
Souole iad bes - All Soul's Day
Maine bes - May Day
Pirendae bes bancue - Bank holiday
Luire replitz - Easter Monday
Druire replitz - Easter Sunday
Auire goode - Good Friday
Duire hiel - Holy Thursday
Muire piancial - Pancake Tuesday
Sol Pádríonn bes - St. Patrick's Day
Mardian - Mardi Gras
Chuire áiseal - Ash Wednesday
Sol Bridíonn bes - St. Bridget's Day
Cinco moa - Cinco de Mayo
Eléctió bes - Election Day
Druire ríomneamíonn - Remembrance Sunday
Víotain bes - Veteran's Day
Arbair bes - Arbor Day
Mímlín bes - Mother's Day
Pínlín bes - Father's Day
Druire mímlíneann - Mothering Sunday
Independáe bes / Júl de puyter - Independence Day / Fourth of July
Sol Stephóíonn bes / Bígín bes - St. Stephen's Day / Boxing Day

sryanbruen

The indefinite article in English is when you use the simple word "A/An".

The ARTACLÍ INDEFINÍ depends on the tense in Sryanonese.

Examples:

I am a 6 = Uai tia líon s'hout.

I asked a question = Uai poui statuiton puí.

They ask me a question everyday = Reie poutane uai statuiton líon bes díoin.

I will come to a bakery = Uai tia asta fín (or pó) erhatu chóy.

See attachment for the indefinite article in the tenses.

Caoimhgh1n

You're putting lots of time into this, which is great, but aren't you not worried about school study too?

sryanbruen

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

You're putting lots of time into this, which is great, but aren't you not worried about school study too?

No I do have plenty of time to do everything I want to.

sryanbruen

Tip: When doing phrases in English such as I am friends with her NOW or I am grand NOW. In Sryanonese, you can't just say that. Instead you say the phrase "in the present" (ton plakill luíp). So:

I am grand now - Uai dest granpo ton plakill luíp - literally I am grand in the (the in) present.

Caoimhgh1n

sryanbruen wrote: »

No I do have plenty of time to do everything I want to.

That's good.

sryanbruen

One of the irregular verbs in almost every language I've seen - and that's not much .

To be is one of the most used verbs in any language and Sryanonese is no different.
It is also one of the most irregular in Sryanonese.

The present tense:

Uai dest - I am
Phai dien - You are
Rei dest
Trei dest
Lei diest
Luie dial
Reie diet
Treie diet

The past tense:

Uai deos - I was
Phai deos - You were
Rei deos
Trei deos
Lei deosón
Luie deosíní
Reie deosem
Treie deosem

The future tense:

Uai tia éloin - I will be (literally I turn to be)
Phai tian éloin
Rei tian éloin
Trei tian eloin
Lei tion éloin
Luie tiev éloin
Reie tiane éloin
Treie tiane éloin

Examples of sentences involving Éloin.

Uai tia éloin shilín pó scoíal - I will be going to school
Uai dest granpo ton plakill luíp - I am grand now
Phai baesdeos plakill scoíal sertav - You weren't in school yesterday - remember the negative response!

sryanbruen

Caoimhgh1n wrote: »

That's good.

Thanks for asking anyways

sryanbruen

As you have heard from me before, most verbal nouns are regular in Sryanonese and can easily be formed once ya know the verb. Like for example, here are some regular verbal nouns whether they are formed by irregular or regular verbs.

To be > Éloin > Being > Éloinín
To go > Shilíon > Going > Shilín - make sure if there is a "íon" ending in the verb, take it off and then add the 'ín'
To work > Jobíon > Working > Jobín
To tell > Curab > Telling > Curabín

Not all verbal nouns form this way, however, and irregular verbal nouns have to be learnt off by heart as there are no patterns whatsoever.

Irregular verbal nouns:

To swim > Lin > Swimming > Skizzeín - without the 'ín' - it becomes "street"
To do > Toogias > Doing > Tooglín (clue to this is, that Toogias, the verb is also irregular)
To play > Siopp > Playing > Pléyín - irregular to not confuse with "shopping"
To shop > Bloodrooníon > Shopping > Siopín - see what I did there

that's the only irregular verbal nouns so far

sryanbruen

These rules only apply to REGULAR VERBS.

Make sure to cross off the ending 'íon' if the verb has it.

Verbs starting with a vowel but don't end in 'íon' (Example: Asta - To come)

Uai - 'te'
Phai - 'ti'
Rei - 'ti'
Trei - 'ti'
Lei - 'tóin'
Luie - 'tón'
Reie - 'tói'
Treie - 'tói'

Verbs starting with a consonant but don't end in 'íon' (Example: Ceinoir - To catch an illness)

Uai - 'u'
Phai - 'u'
Rei - 'u'
Trei - 'u'
Lei - 'uin'
Luie - 'uil'
Reie - 'ut'
Treie - 'ut'

Verbs ending in 'íon' (Example: Tíochíon - To think)

Uai - 'í'
Phai - 't'
Rei - 'í'
Trei - 'í'
Lei - 'tó'
Luie - 'tíev'
Reie - 'tós'
Treie - 'tós'

Use Creasíon (To see and is a regular verb) as a guide to help you on the exercises

Uai creasí - I saw
Phai creast - You saw
Rei creasí - He saw
Trei creasí - She saw
Lei creastó - We saw
Luie creastíev - You (pl.) saw
Reie creastós - They (m.) saw
Treie creastós - They (f.) saw

Examples of regular verbs - Regglíe

Creasíon - To see
Norrisíon - To stare
Jobíon - To work
Asta - To come
Mizulab - To hire
Ferirama - To attend
Tuttaíon - To eat
Printure - To look
Carisk - To read

Exercises - Exrecsie

Conjugate the following verbs into the past tense tense and translate into English: (only verbs that are above ^)
1. Uai (creasíon)
2. Luie (tuttaíon)
3. Phai (asta)
4. Reie (carisk)
5. Lei (mizulab)
6. Treie (ferirama)
7. Rei (jobíon)

sryanbruen

Sassee / Goode escrum - Good morning
Drirathiel / Goode faminamentes - Good afternoon
Fliondeso / Goode bution - Good evening
Fliondíto / Goode socizersing - Good night
Flínioas - Goodbye
Bóinsto - Hello
Cóintlío - Congratulations
Si-ire í phai tooglín - How are you doing
Si-ire nu hiesses - How is everything
Bóinstí - Hey
Sevit - Hi
Goode creasíon phai - Good to see you
Si-ire ti lariess tyanoín phai - How's life been treating you

sryanbruen

Ianse pó exrecsie - Answers to exercises

1. Uai creasí - I saw
2. Luie tuttatíev - You (plural) ate
3. Phai astati - You came
4. Reie cariskut - They (masculine) read
5. Lei mizulabuin - We hired
6. Treie feriramaut - They (feminine) attended
7. Rei jobí - He worked

sryanbruen

Types of schools - scoíale

Hioffpo scoíal - Primary school
Yokovich scoíal - Secondary school
Goulbap - College
Locobot - University
Bopster scoíal - Boarding school
Reieimé scoíal - All boys school (clue: reie (they masculine)
Treieimé scoíal - All girls school (clue: treie (they feminine)
Modeflick scoíal - Mixed school
Goocrux scoíal - Community school

^ Yes I know these a weird words :P

School subjects - sujecae scoíal

Mathimapicse - Mathematics / Numbers
Guarta - English
Jeamita - Irish
Fraonisa - French
Spaonisa - Spanish
Itaonisa - Italian
Germaonisa - German
Craevert - Art
Muito meroe - Business studies
Muito - Business
Yitz - History
Tritz - Geography
Eietz - Science
Freideachta - PE
Tiralpolza - CSPE
Singeanta - Music
Eíchote manuit - Home economics
Piraltolza - SPHE
Teahonicae - Technology / Computers
Reilíon - Religion
Habeitch - Woodwork
Poiceitch - Metalwork
Chiemostir - Chemistry
Beilogo - Biology
Psynochaíe - Physics

Subjects are relatively easy to learn!

sryanbruen

Nimbí is an irregular verb.
Here is the present tense of nimbí:

Uai nimba - I take
Phai nimbia - You take
Rei nimba
Trei nimba
Lei nion
Luie niev
Reie poiane
Treie poiane

Examples of sentences involving Nimbí:

Uai nimba phainte maug - I steal your heart (literally "I take your heart")
Phai nimbia norf ton cedi - You take on the clock
Lei nion líon fibrat cedi astaín - We take a long time coming (literally "we take a long clock coming")

sryanbruen

Rei dest s'nacy pó sa puyter - It is 5 to 4 (04:55)

Rei dest sa rudi cedi - It is three o'clock (03:00)

Rei dest sa dramer pó s'hipon - It is ten to eleven (10:50)

Rei dest luím quai sa lerton - It is quarter past eight (08:15)

Rei dest luím hial s'eiste - It is half past twelve (12:30)

Rei dest sa ruit-nacy pó s'hout - It is twenty five to six (05:35)

Vocabulary

It is - rei dest (Also he is)
Past - luím
To - pó
Half past - luím hial
Quarter - quai
O'clock - cedi (also just "clock")

Tip: When telling the time, always make sure that a number is the last word(s) in the sentence unless the time is "o'clock" when CEDI comes last.

sryanbruen

Coaitir - Car
Ombosodí - Airplane
Helí - Helicopter
Touiti - Train
Bismarth - Bus
Bsaimi - Boat
Choeitch - Bike
Biereitch - Motorbike
Tuthí - Truck
Limbaí - Lorry
Hemisemí - Van
Fireachtasachí - Hot air balloon
Coien - Canoe
Bhreal - Blimp
Teirachtsachtaí - Fire engine
Embeiritsee - Ambulance
Tixa - Taxi
Pishiní - Spaceship
Retooctoo - Scooter
Boran skatam - Skateboard

sryanbruen

Tias - Turn
Dundheal - Left
Clíet - Right
Shilír accusodes staig - Go straight ahead
Nimtem dul nout skizze ol dul dundheal - Take the first street on the left
Nimtem dul nout skizze ol dul clíet - Take the first street on the right
Nimtem dul tout skizze ol dul dundheal - Take the second street on the left
Nimtem dul tout skizze ol dul clíet - Take the second street on the right
Nimtem dul rudi skizze ol dul dundheal - Take the third street on the left
Nimtem dul rudi skizze ol dul clíet - Take the third street on the right

Tip: When talking about directions, the word "the" translates as "dul" instead of "ton".