Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

bertiebomber · 16-09-2020 10:59am

Regarding JK Rowling all she said was that women have periods and trans people dont which is technically TRUE and shes villified for it. They really need to pay more attention at biology class the wokies are more than stupid they are deluded,.

sabat · 16-09-2020 11:12am

Hector Savage wrote: »

So you think the word should be just banned ?
you act like it's problematic that white people will use it themselves ???
what does that mean ?

No problem using it so long as context is ok ..

It's like parents telling off their children for cursing and at the same time being constantly effing and blinding in front of them. If you want a word taken out of circulation just don't use it.

Rodney Bathgate · 16-09-2020 11:15am

bertiebomber wrote: »

Regarding JK Rowling all she said was that women have periods and trans people dont which is technically TRUE and shes villified for it. They really need to pay more attention at biology class the wokies are more than stupid they are deluded,.

Real men have periods too.

bertiebomber · 16-09-2020 11:18am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Real men have periods too.

yes they do periods of depression & elation but they dont use sanitary towels or tampons for these periods so dont be an arse ! You unnderstand what i am saying ........ but you are trying to be clever & get some likes obviously a wokie.....they are everywhere like insects and ****e !

Rodney Bathgate · 16-09-2020 11:27am

bertiebomber wrote: »

yes they do periods of depression & elation but they dont use sanitary towels or tampons for these periods so dont be an arse ! You unnderstand what i am saying ........ but you are trying to be clever & get some likes obviously a wokie.....they are everywhere like insects and ****e !

Or.....I was being sarcastic...

16-09-2020 11:27am

Hector Savage wrote: »

So you think the word should be just banned ?
you act like it's problematic that white people will use it themselves ???
what does that mean ?

No problem using it so long as context is ok ..

Nope. It's a traditionally racist word, and it should be taught as being a negative word. For everyone. The same way any polite person would avoid using a variety of curses which are seen as being going too far.

I don't think any word should be banned.

bertiebomber · 16-09-2020 11:29am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Or.....I was being sarcastic...

You were indeed being sarcastic, aren't you just great no wonder the world is fcuked if you are the up and coming sarcastic generation !

Yeah_Right · 16-09-2020 12:34pm

I was surprised when I came to this part of the world that Paki is considered an offensive/racist term. Back home it was simply a slang term for Pakistani in the same way that Aussie was for Australian. It was normal to hear it on the radio or TV when people were talking about the Pakistani cricket team. I have been called out a few times when I have used it in Ireland or the UK (by white people) even though I was simply referring to something Pakistani.

AllForIt · 16-09-2020 12:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What's the problem with nitty gritty??

Perhaps it means one can't get into the nuance of anything anymore because it would paint a different picture one is trying to paint.

16-09-2020 12:41pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I was surprised when I came to this part of the world that Paki is considered an offensive/racist term. Back home it was simply a slang term for Pakistani in the same way that Aussie was for Australian. It was normal to hear it on the radio or TV when people were talking about the Pakistani cricket team. I have been called out a few times when I have used it in Ireland or the UK (by white people) even though I was simply referring to something Pakistani.

Where are you from?
I heard the same from a mate whose dad is Arab, he was happily saying it for a while when he got here. He blames the Brits for ruining it. :P

whisky_galore · 16-09-2020 12:42pm

The FNG wrote: »

They've gone after Beethoven? But Beethoven was black...

I thought he was brown and white, and adorable.

Rodney Bathgate · 16-09-2020 12:54pm

bertiebomber wrote: »

You were indeed being sarcastic, aren't you just great no wonder the world is fcuked if you are the up and coming sarcastic generation !

I don’t think I fall into the ‘up and coming’ category.

Yeah_Right · 16-09-2020 1:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Where are you from?
I heard the same from a mate whose dad is Arab, he was happily saying it for a while when he got here. He blames the Brits for ruining it. :P

NZ. I still use it. I'm not letting the racists/Brits win

16-09-2020 1:21pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

NZ. I still use it. I'm not letting the racists/Brits win

I suspect we all have one or two words which are socially unacceptable now.

For myself, I still use the word "retard" in regards to extreme stupidity/ignorance.

blinding · 16-09-2020 1:31pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Real men have periods too.

We certainly suffer because of them ! !:eek:

Rothko · 16-09-2020 1:48pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I was surprised when I came to this part of the world that Paki is considered an offensive/racist term. Back home it was simply a slang term for Pakistani in the same way that Aussie was for Australian. It was normal to hear it on the radio or TV when people were talking about the Pakistani cricket team. I have been called out a few times when I have used it in Ireland or the UK (by white people) even though I was simply referring to something Pakistani.

I guess that it proves that's not so much the word itself but the context and the intent of it's use that's important.

ArrBee · 16-09-2020 1:57pm

Fluppen wrote: »

Every time a term or phrase is banned for being racist or offensive I have to look up why it would be considered racist or offensive (except for some of the most obvious ones). Surely I'm not alone in this?
Is it really up to every person to figure out all terms, phrases and words that may be offensive to someone or some group and then promptly delete them from their vocabulary?

Yeah, I'd be the same a lot of the time. Like, I don't understand the cakewalk one and havent looked it up.

There doesn't seem to be a consideration for evolved language. Too much concern on historic rather than current meaning.
But then the opposite can also be true.

Take ****** for example.
it seems that it's the modern meaning alone that has it as an offensive word. Why can't other "offensive" old words which have evolved to inoffensive meanings continue to be used.

Seems like a double standard.

EDIT:
Boards won't let me write the word for a bundle of twigs used to start a fire....

ArrBee · 16-09-2020 2:06pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I was surprised when I came to this part of the world that Paki is considered an offensive/racist term. Back home it was simply a slang term for Pakistani in the same way that Aussie was for Australian. It was normal to hear it on the radio or TV when people were talking about the Pakistani cricket team. I have been called out a few times when I have used it in Ireland or the UK (by white people) even though I was simply referring to something Pakistani.

Yeah, but for some reason Abo was accepted as being offensive, hey?

Edit:
Just seen you are from NZ rather than Aus. or OZ as they sometimes call in in NZ

I reckon a fair few Kiwis would not know that Abo was offensive in Aus at the same time many other cultural/national nicknames were still acceptable.

Sir Oxman · 16-09-2020 2:13pm

Rothko wrote: »

I guess that it proves that's not so much the word itself but the context and the intent of it's use that's important.

Intent is being done away with.
It's perception now, even by someone merely within earshot (ie, percieved to be offensive on behalf of...)

Rothko · 16-09-2020 2:32pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Intent is being done away with now.
It's perception now, even by someone merely within earshot (ie, offended on behalf of...)

Or words that happen to sound like other words, even if it's from another language.

whisky_galore · 16-09-2020 3:00pm

ArrBee wrote: »

Take ****** for example.
it seems that it's the modern meaning alone that has it as an offensive word. Why can't other "offensive" old words which have evolved to inoffensive meanings continue to be used.

Seems like a double standard.

EDIT:
Boards won't let me write the word for a bundle of twigs used to start a fire....

****** is also a kind of meatball.

Can't even say you live on ****** Hill in Cork on this.

Hector Savage · 16-09-2020 4:04pm

Speaking of book burning ...

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1306238849706852355?s=20

Never mind the book burning, the absolute slanderous lies !!

NIMAN · 16-09-2020 4:07pm

I find that video just so sad.

You're not allowed to have an opinion any more, if the mob doesn't agree with it.

I'm sure JKR isn't losing much sleep over it all to be fair.

Sir Oxman · 16-09-2020 4:14pm

Yup, that's where all of this will bring society.
Unthinking cheerleaders, take note.

NIMAN · 16-09-2020 4:18pm

Can these new ultra-liberals not see that burning books has been done before?

And how it makes them look?

Rothko · 16-09-2020 4:19pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Can these new ultra-liberals not see that burning books has been done before?

And how it makes them look?

They don't care. They're too self-absorbed.

16-09-2020 4:39pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Can these new ultra-liberals not see that burning books has been done before?

And how it makes them look?

Yeah but those people were wrong, these people are certain they're right.

Yeah_Right · 16-09-2020 4:44pm

ArrBee wrote: »

Yeah, but for some reason Abo was accepted as being offensive, hey?

Edit:
Just seen you are from NZ rather than Aus. or OZ as they sometimes call in in NZ
I reckon a fair few Kiwis would not know that Abo was offensive in Aus at the same time many other cultural/national nicknames were still acceptable.

I didn't know that Abo was considered offensive. It's a term I use. I'll have to tell my Aussie mates that. They'll probably tell me to **** off ðŸ˜†

blinding · 16-09-2020 5:27pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Speaking of book burning ...

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1306238849706852355?s=20

Never mind the book burning, the absolute slanderous lies !!

Ah the Old Communist Fascist, Nazi Fascist Look ! ! !

A great way to show the World that you are Wrong ! ! !

blinding · 16-09-2020 5:29pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Can these new ultra-liberals not see that burning books has been done before?

And how it makes them look?

They obviously have No Education and Certainly No Historical Education. Totalitarian Communists and Totalitarian Fascists are those that Burn Books ! !

Quantum Erasure · 16-09-2020 7:05pm

ArrBee wrote: »

Yeah, I'd be the same a lot of the time. Like, I don't understand the cakewalk one and havent looked it up.

https://digitalgallery.bgsu.edu/student/exhibits/show/race-in-us/african-americans/appropriation

The cakewalk began as an appropriation of white ballroom dancing by black slaves in the South as an exaggerated parody of ballroom dances, such as the waltz, which were favored by white elites. The music that accompanied cakewalks had distinctly African American rhythms and syncopation. White slaveowners, flattered rather than offended by these spectacles, helped to spread and popularize these African American appropriations of ballroom dancing. After the Civil War, whites began to perform cakewalks as part of their minstrelsy repertoire. Whites performed in blackface, ridiculing and celebrating life on the plantation. As cakewalks became more and more popular among the general public, they travelled from American shores to be appropriated once again by Europeans....

so, so much cultural appropriation, no wonder it's found itself blacklisted...

Rodney Bathgate · 16-09-2020 7:09pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Speaking of book burning ...

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1306238849706852355?s=20

Never mind the book burning, the absolute slanderous lies !!

Yes but book burning is only bad when fascists are doing it. No hypocrisy in that.

Beanntraigheach · 16-09-2020 8:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What's the problem with nitty gritty??

The etymology according to Online Etymology Dictionary (https://www.etymonline.com/word/nitty-gritty#etymonline_v_6974) :
nitty-gritty (n.)
"basic facts of a situation or problem," by 1961, knitty-gritty, American English, said to have been chiefly used by black jazz musicians, perhaps ultimately from nit and grits "finely ground corn." As an adjective from 1966.

I can't understand the objection. Could it be the mere fact that it's a term originally used by African-Americans that now makes it "problematic"?

Antares35 · 17-09-2020 1:20am

Strumms wrote: »

Yeah, skyout blinds or some ****... it’s like almost as if a whole ethnic group are attempting to take ownership of words, of the English language.

Before this covid shîtshow I was thinking about buying a car.. Will I be allowed to purchase a car if I said... “can I have the black hatchback model, black leather executive interior please.”.. will that now be racist, ?

I was painting the other day and decided I didn't like the colour when it was on and went over it with white. Is this bad?

blinding · 17-09-2020 4:19am

Antares35 wrote: »

I was painting the other day and decided I didn't like the colour when it was on and went over it with white. Is this bad?

Sounds like White Privilege to me. Give yourself a flogging with a non white coloured whip please.

Sky Blue 20 · 17-09-2020 4:40am

Antares35 wrote: »

I was painting the other day and decided I didn't like the colour when it was on and went over it with white. Is this bad?

So you're not Mick Jagger then.

ArrBee · 17-09-2020 9:08am

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I didn't know that Abo was considered offensive. It's a term I use. I'll have to tell my Aussie mates that. They'll probably tell me to **** off &#55357;&#56838;

I lived in Aussie for a while and was told a few times that "ya carnt say that mate"

pickarooney · 17-09-2020 9:37am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If it was just the rappers, then it wouldn't be quite so bad, but many Black people (males and females) call each other "N****". Friends or strangers, it's apparently acceptable to call another Black person a N. I find it happening a lot with African students in China, who use the N word very casually, especially in group conversations.

I don't quite understand how they expect White people to accept conditioning that the N word is awful, when we hear Black people use it themselves. I know it's a double standard, but it's application is only going to make later White generations, more likely to use it themselves.

Irish people do the exact same thing with 'Paddy' in fairness. We call ourselves that all the time but woe betide a British person who refers to the Irish as 'Paddies'.

pickarooney · 17-09-2020 10:02am

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I was surprised when I came to this part of the world that Paki is considered an offensive/racist term. Back home it was simply a slang term for Pakistani in the same way that Aussie was for Australian. It was normal to hear it on the radio or TV when people were talking about the Pakistani cricket team. I have been called out a few times when I have used it in Ireland or the UK (by white people) even though I was simply referring to something Pakistani.

Would you not take the hint the first time, in fairness?

17-09-2020 10:47am

pickarooney wrote: »

Irish people do the exact same thing with 'Paddy' in fairness. We call ourselves that all the time but woe betide a British person who refers to the Irish as 'Paddies'.

It's not nearly the same thing as the N word... Paddy, for many Irish (myself included) isn't an insult, and I couldn't care less if a British person (or anyone) used the term... and yes, I spent time working in London, with many English people using it around me. Context, and how a word is used is important. If someone uses Paddy in an insulting/demeaning way, then it's pretty obvious that it's meant to be insulting.

Whereas we've all been conditioned to see the N word as being very offensive regardless of how it's used. It's not the same.

blinding · 17-09-2020 11:08am

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not nearly the same thing as the N word... Paddy, for many Irish (myself included) isn't an insult, and I couldn't care less if a British person (or anyone) used the term... and yes, I spent time working in London, with many English people using it around me. Context, and how a word is used is important. If someone uses Paddy in an insulting/demeaning way, then it's pretty obvious that it's meant to be insulting.

Whereas we've all been conditioned to see the N word as being very offensive regardless of how it's used. It's not the same.

Can you not just identify as Black and fire away. Has’t there been cases of white people identifying as black and living as black.

Sure nowadays you can be a man or a woman so why not Black , White , Yellow , Brown.

If you were a dark skinned white man sure you are miles closer to being a Black Man than to any sort of Woman ! !

Yeah_Right · 17-09-2020 11:17am

pickarooney wrote: »

Would you not take the hint the first time, in fairness?

Why? What is insulting about calling a Pakistani a Paki? Which would be worse, referring to a Pakistani cricketer as Indian or Paki?

blinding · 17-09-2020 11:29am

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Why? What is insulting about calling a Pakistani a Paki? Which would be worse, referring to a Pakistani cricketer as Indian or Paki?

Paki Bonnar was Paki Bonnar and Nobody Batted an Eyelid ! !

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2020 11:40am

pickarooney wrote: »

Irish people do the exact same thing with 'Paddy' in fairness. We call ourselves that all the time but woe betide a British person who refers to the Irish as 'Paddies'.

I'm not too sure about that, the only time I can recall hearing it as self reference to Irish people from an Irish person was from Enda Kenny - never in normal life.
Just my recall.

MoonUnit75 · 17-09-2020 11:53am

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

The etymology according to Online Etymology Dictionary (https://www.etymonline.com/word/nitty-gritty#etymonline_v_6974) :
nitty-gritty (n.)
"basic facts of a situation or problem," by 1961, knitty-gritty, American English, said to have been chiefly used by black jazz musicians, perhaps ultimately from nit and grits "finely ground corn." As an adjective from 1966.

I can't understand the objection. Could it be the mere fact that it's a term originally used by African-Americans that now makes it "problematic"?

It's a classic tactic used by cults to undermine autonomous decision making and critical thought. The penalties for breaking obscure and irrational rules are so severe that people come to depend entirely on the cult leadership for guidance on 'correct' behaviour and thought. It is intended to impact every aspect of how they express themselves or think about the world.

If you listen to how ex-cult members describe how they became totally brainwashed and dependent on the cult they list lots of seemingly irrational and nonsensical rules they are ordered to follow, like men have to shave in the morning by running the blade down instead of up on their necks. It makes no sense and it is actually more painful but that is the point, once you start to accept leadership authority on the little details of behaviour and language you rapidly begin to lose the ability to act rationally and in your own best interests. The cult membership itself becomes a person, everyone in it is just like a hair on the head of the cult persona. When you speak it is the cult that talks.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-09-2020 11:54am

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

If you listen to how ex-cult members describe how they became totally brainwashed and dependent on the cult they list lots of seemingly irrational and nonsensical rules they are ordered to follow, like men have to shave in the morning by running the blade down instead of up on their necks. It makes no sense and it is actually more painful but that is the point, once you start to accept leadership authority on the little details of behaviour and language you rapidly begin to lose the ability to act rationally and in your own best interests. The cult membership itself becomes a person, everyone in it is just like a hair on the head of the cult persona.

un huh ....:cool:

AllForIt · 17-09-2020 12:06pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I'm not too sure about that, the only time I can recall hearing it as self reference to Irish people from an Irish person was from Enda Kenny - never in normal life.
Just my recall.

Yeah just to back that up I've never come across Irish people 'reclaiming' Paddy either.

the purple tin · 17-09-2020 12:25pm

Chris Morris couldn't write some of this stuff.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-09-2020 12:40pm

Am i woke yet?

MoonUnit75 · 17-09-2020 12:48pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Am i woke yet?

You're probably on track for being woke in the next couple of weeks and then cancelled within the following 1.4 years.

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Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users