Heavyweight Boxing

BDI · 11-10-2019 8:49pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

WTF..

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/1182740308460822528?s=19

There will be probably more big punches landed in his wwe fights than his boxing fights.

Brief_Lives · 11-10-2019 9:15pm

Madness... Its cha ching time in America...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50022470

Littlehorny · 12-10-2019 9:45am

I know it's a load of fake crap but what if Fury gets injured doing this BS? I am sick of modern boxers avoiding each other for years.
Especially the so called big 3, Joshua should have told Hearn to get him the big fights or he was getting a different promoter now he's after getting beaten by Ruiz and the rematch is a mess.
Fury was robbed against Wilder, he dominated that fight and now we have Wilder going around shouting like he's the king of the world even though he was totally shown up for the limited fighter he is.
These guys have no interest in being the best, it's all a sham and the boxing public suffers. I would say boxers like Lewis and Holyfield have zero respect for these guys.

normanoffside · 12-10-2019 9:48am

Littlehorny wrote: »

I know it's a load of fake crap but what if Fury gets injured doing this BS? I am sick of modern boxers avoiding each other for years.

This is just about making a few quid and raising his profile while his cuts heal.
Wilder has Ortiz next and AJ has Ruiz.

Mantis Toboggan · 12-10-2019 12:17pm

True enough, those cuts were bad, he won't be boxing anytime soon.

Bobby Baccala · 12-10-2019 3:19pm

Littlehorny wrote: »

I know it's a load of fake crap but what if Fury gets injured doing this BS? I am sick of modern boxers avoiding each other for years.
Especially the so called big 3, Joshua should have told Hearn to get him the big fights or he was getting a different promoter now he's after getting beaten by Ruiz and the rematch is a mess.
Fury was robbed against Wilder, he dominated that fight and now we have Wilder going around shouting like he's the king of the world even though he was totally shown up for the limited fighter he is.
These guys have no interest in being the best, it's all a sham and the boxing public suffers. I would say boxers like Lewis and Holyfield have zero respect for these guys.

As limited as Wilder may be he still put Fury on his arse twice and fúck knows how he got up from the 2nd. I reckon Wilder wins the rematch if it ever happens, he'd be looking to drop Fury early this time now that he knows what to expect.

walshb · 12-10-2019 3:27pm

It’s horse**** that Fury dominated Wilder. He was competitive. That is it.

Loads rounds were neither man did anything of note on offense...

Wilder had Fury down twice, and the only decent shot in the whole fight was the shot that knocked Fury on his backside in rd 12...

The Fury nuthuggers, obviously, credit him far too much in this fight; making out it was a robbery, and a Fury masterclass...

The Nal · 12-10-2019 3:31pm

walshb wrote: »

It’s horse**** that Fury dominated Wilder. He was competitive. That is it.

Loads rounds were neither man did anything of note on offense...

Wilder had Fury down twice, and the only decent shot in the whole fight was the shot that knocked Fury on his backside in rd 12...

The Fury nuthuggers, obviously, credit him far too much in this fight; making out it was a robbery, and a Fury masterclass...

While I agree to an extent, Fury outlanded Wilder in 9 of the 12 rounds. A lot of nothing rounds though I agree.

walshb · 12-10-2019 3:44pm

The Nal wrote: »

While I agree to an extent, Fury outlanded Wilder in 9 of the 12 rounds. A lot of nothing rounds though I agree.

That’s just it. A lot of nothing rds, and below par scores. Both looked very basic..

BDI · 12-10-2019 3:57pm

The Nal wrote: »

While I agree to an extent, Fury outlanded Wilder in 9 of the 12 rounds. A lot of nothing rounds though I agree.

Statistics are for Olympic boxing as far as I’m concerned. Hiding behind a feather jab and waving stats around isn’t really fair to what really happened in most professional fights.

selectamatic · 12-10-2019 4:13pm

walshb wrote: »

That’s just it. A lot of nothing rds, and below par scores. Both looked very basic..

The first 4 rds in particular next to nothing happened in them iirc.

In typical Fury fashion it was the pr1cking about in rd9 cost him dearly.

walshb · 12-10-2019 4:17pm

selectamatic wrote: »

The first 4 rds in particular next to nothing happened in them iirc.

In typical Fury fashion it was the pr1cking about in rd9 cost him dearly.

Indeed. And Fury nuthuggers matter of factly awarding him any of these rds where there was nothing between the two...

I can’t see Wilder failing to get to Fury earlier and more consistently in their next fight

squinn2912 · 12-10-2019 6:38pm

Some fair points here but wilder was pretty bruised up in the fight. Fury has to play to his strengths but in fairness wilder brought the drama he just did well to get up. It’s a bit like saying Dublin or Kerry teams win all the soft all Ireland’s. These boys are the best and when you’re the best sometimes it doesn’t look that great.

yourdeadwright · 13-10-2019 1:57pm

Lads lets not rewrite what happened ,
Fury was robbed there is no way he didnt win the fight ,

He done what he always does and thats win rounds , He never looks amazing but he IS amazing at doing enough to win rounds ala Floyd ,

Must of the credit was because it was his first live fight in over two years ,

Problem is you can out box Wilder for the whole fight but just one shot lands andnu can go to sleep , itsll be the same again i the rematch , eother Fury is perfect or Wilder ko's him

Id back Fury againt any other heavy weight but he needs to be Perfect for 12 rounds against Wilder , ots agreat fighr because of the different styles , Still 100% certain Fury would make a fool of AJ in a fight

Bobby Baccala · 13-10-2019 2:54pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Lads lets not rewrite what happened ,
Fury was robbed there is no way he didnt win the fight ,

He done what he always does and thats win rounds , He never looks amazing but he IS amazing at doing enough to win rounds ala Floyd ,

Must of the credit was because it was his first live fight in over two years ,

Problem is you can out box Wilder for the whole fight but just one shot lands andnu can go to sleep , itsll be the same again i the rematch , eother Fury is perfect or Wilder ko's him

Id back Fury againt any other heavy weight but he needs to be Perfect for 12 rounds against Wilder , ots agreat fighr because of the different styles , Still 100% certain Fury would make a fool of AJ in a fight

Nobody is saying he didn't win the fight but I don't think it was a robbery either tbh you'd swear it was him that dropped Wilder twice the way people are going on. There's a lot of close rounds in that fight that had a punch or two between them.

As for it being his first live fight in 2 years it was his 3rd fight that year buddy.

walshb · 13-10-2019 3:31pm

Exactly. Nobody is rewriting history. Robbery is just wrong. One could argue scoring the fight to him via the 10-9 system, but many rds were very close, and could have went either way...Fury was absolutely not robbed!

normanoffside · 13-10-2019 3:37pm

Dubois looks to be fighting Dave Allen next.

I really don't want to see that.

squinn2912 · 13-10-2019 3:40pm

walshb wrote: »

Exactly. Nobody is rewriting history. Robbery is just wrong. One could argue scoring the fight to him via the 10-9 system, but many rds were very close, and could have went either way...Fury was absolutely not robbed!

I think peoples perspective has been skewed by the whole backdrop story and fury getting up twice. He still lost those rounds 10-8. Though other than the kd in 12th I thought fury won the round. It was a close fight and I’d tip fury by 2 rounds. Draw isn’t insane. Word robbery is too often used in any close fight where your favourite didn’t win

walshb · 13-10-2019 3:43pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I think peoples perspective has been skewed by the whole backdrop story and fury getting up twice. He still lost those rounds 10-8. Though other than the kd in 12th I thought fury won the round. It was a close fight and I’d tip fury by 2 rounds. Draw isn’t insane. Word robbery is too often used in any close fight where your favourite didn’t win

This is sense!

murphyebass · 13-10-2019 3:46pm

Usyk looked impressive against an albeit poor opponent in Witherspoon.

Would love to see him up against the likes of Chisora or Ortiz.

Who do you think he’ll get put up against next. Definitely a very interesting addition to the heavyweight scene. His amazing movement could well upset even some of the bigger heavyweights.

squinn2912 · 13-10-2019 3:53pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Usyk looked impressive against an albeit poor opponent in Witherspoon.

Would love to see him up against the likes of Chisora or Ortiz.

Who do you think he’ll get put up against next. Definitely a very interesting addition to the heavyweight scene. His amazing movement could well upset even some of the bigger heavyweights.

I thought he took a fair few shots himself. I don’t think it’s going to go too well. Witherspoon has a week’s notice. Usyk does look good and moves excellently but Witherspoon was too nice. When a big, strong hw grabs and rough houses him well know more

Bobby Baccala · 13-10-2019 4:31pm

Yeah wasnt blown away by Usyks heavyweight debut myself, bigger men will trouble him and I don't think he'll have the power to take out top fighters. I'd say his next fight will be another warm-up and then maybe he'll fight a Pulev/Povetkin type. Can't see him being thrown in with one of the giants any time soon.

murphyebass · 13-10-2019 4:33pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I thought he took a fair few shots himself. I don’t think it’s going to go too well. Witherspoon has a week’s notice. Usyk does look good and moves excellently but Witherspoon was too nice. When a big, strong hw grabs and rough houses him well know more

He got clipped a couple of times but sure he hasnt fought competitively in 2019 (I’m fairly sure) so a bit of ring rust.

Overall I thought it was a disciplined and patient performance for his first heavyweight bout.

walshb · 13-10-2019 4:34pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I thought he took a fair few shots himself. I don’t think it’s going to go too well. Witherspoon has a week’s notice. Usyk does look good and moves excellently but Witherspoon was too nice. When a big, strong hw grabs and rough houses him well know more

I don’t think his performance can really indicate his true potential at HW. He was no different than previous. Just up against a really weak opponent..

Let’s see how he fares when he gets cracked hard by a good punching HW..

squinn2912 · 13-10-2019 6:46pm

walshb wrote: »

I don’t think his performance can really indicate his true potential at HW. He was no different than previous. Just up against a really weak opponent..

Let’s see how he fares when he gets cracked hard by a good punching HW..

That’s fair enough. If he gets cracked by a hard hitting hw he will be knocked out. Sparked. His footwork and shots are eye-catching but when he meets the big boys they’ll cut off the ring and catch up with him. I see this going horribly wrong for him

walshb · 13-10-2019 6:52pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

That’s fair enough. If he gets cracked by a hard hitting hw he will be knocked out. Sparked. His footwork and shots are eye-catching but when he meets the big boys they’ll cut off the ring and catch up with him. I see this going horribly wrong for him

And I don’t see the likes of AJ or Wilder, with their height and size and range having too much difficulty getting to Usyk, both from long and mid range..

selectamatic · 13-10-2019 7:01pm

Tbf he hasn't really been rocked or shown any sign of showing a poor chin thus far so it's hard judge yet.

I feel if he can take a good hard hw punch he'll give the big lads a fair few problems especially if his cardio remains as freakish as before. All of the current big boys slow majorly in the latter rounds.

walshb · 13-10-2019 7:12pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Tbf he hasn't really been rocked or shown any sign of showing a poor chin thus far so it's hard judge yet.

I feel if he can take a good hard hw punch he'll give the big lads a fair few problems especially if his cardio remains as freakish as before. All of the current big boys slow majorly in the latter rounds.

The division is pants....

Take out the real punching threats (with real size) at the top, AJ and Wilder, and Usyk could possibly beat anyone else...

yourdeadwright · 13-10-2019 7:49pm

walshb wrote: »

Exactly. Nobody is rewriting history. Robbery is just wrong. One could argue scoring the fight to him via the 10-9 system, but many rds were very close, and could have went either way...Fury was absolutely not robbed!

Pretty even fight but on the scoring system Fury clearly won more rounds , There was a lot of close round that Fury just done enough but thats all u need to do ,
You can win each of the 12 rounds by the skin of your teeth but win by a landslide on the cards , i think that what Fury done thats why i think he was robbed

walshb · 13-10-2019 7:59pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Pretty even fight but on the scoring system Fury clearly won more rounds , There was a lot of close round that Fury just done enough but thats all u need to do ,
You can win each of the 12 rounds by the skin of your teeth but win by a landslide on the cards , i think that what Fury done thats why i think he was robbed

I’ve been saying the same for years..As regards wide scores in a very competitively fought fight(s).

But, you said it.....there was a lot of close rds.....that one could easily score for Wilder, which means there cannot be a robbery for either man..

Fury was not robbed. It was a very close fight to score..

squinn2912 · 13-10-2019 8:27pm

walshb wrote: »

And I don’t see the likes of AJ or Wilder, with their height and size and range having too much difficulty getting to Usyk, both from long and mid range..

I could see even Whyte, Povetkin or pulev giving him his fill of it

walshb · 13-10-2019 8:29pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I could see even Whyte, Povetkin or pulev giving him his fill of it

Yeh, possibly..AP looks well past it, though..

Two convicted drugs cheats. Throw in Fury, and Ring top ten has 3 dopers...

murphyebass · 13-10-2019 8:37pm

Speaking of dopers what’s the story with Whyte?

squinn2912 · 13-10-2019 8:37pm

walshb wrote: »

Yeh, possibly..AP looks well past it, though..

Two convicted drugs cheats. Throw in Fury, and Ring top ten has 3 dopers...

3 convicted dopers.... bleak isn’t it? Problem in most individual and combat sports. Look at the sprinters

walshb · 13-10-2019 8:46pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Speaking of dopers what’s the story with Whyte?

Waiting for UKAD to complete its investigations/case....

I have no clue on the B sample.....

Alf Veedersane · 13-10-2019 8:48pm

The Nal wrote: »

Good interview.

Good reminder. Had just a finished the Lennox Lewis one from a few months back, which was good as well.

normanoffside · 13-10-2019 8:50pm

walshb wrote: »

Waiting for UKAD to complete its investigations/case....

Waiting for UKAD to give up/run out of funds.

normanoffside · 13-10-2019 9:03pm

Just to show what a Hypocrite Eddie Hearn is, he dismisses Spong's excuse but used the exact same one for Dillian Whyte.

https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/1183041309851947008

walshb · 13-10-2019 9:27pm

And Frank Warren the same. He castigated Whyte, yet conveniently forgets about Fury...

Bobby Baccala · 14-10-2019 6:54pm

Anyone else here think a prime Vitalli handles all the current heavys easily? Same goes for Wlad as boring as they could be.

NewMan1982 · 14-10-2019 7:18pm

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Anyone else here think a prime Vitalli handles all the current heavys easily? Same goes for Wlad as boring as they could be.

It’s hard to say. With the exception of Lewis they’d probably be his best challengers.

walshb · 14-10-2019 8:00pm

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Anyone else here think a prime Vitalli handles all the current heavys easily? Same goes for Wlad as boring as they could be.

Yes. Vitali goes through them with ease...KOs all..

yourdeadwright · 15-10-2019 10:57am

Vitali with ease ? really ?

Vitali was good but Ko them all with ease is a bit much , Del boy , Briggs Johnson, Hoffman, all went 12 rounds with Vitali ,Christ Chris Byrd beat him, To say he'd ko the current crop with ease is nonsense,

Don't get me wrong hes very a good fighter but he wouldn't roll over any of todays top 5 with ease even in his prime they would be good hard fights ,

Mantis Toboggan · 15-10-2019 11:05am

It's always easy to say it in hindsight though.

Reality is that if Vlad had retired in 2014 then we'd be saying the same thing about him that he'd take the current crop easily.

Nobody wound have thought that Fury could school him in his own back yard.

Mike9832 · 15-10-2019 11:07am

squinn2912 wrote: »

3 convicted dopers.... bleak isn’t it? Problem in most individual and combat sports. Look at the sprinters

Every strength sport

Many think no olympic gold weightlifter has been clean for 40 years

Big baby miller at 320lbs vs Adamek was an eye opener to me

Sure he carried some fat, but take away some and he was 250lbs+ of muscle underneath that layer of fat, that's some size/power

Bobby Baccala · 15-10-2019 11:08am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

It's always easy to say it in hindsight though.

Reality is that if Vlad had retired in 2014 then we'd be saying the same thing about him that he'd take the current crop easily.

Nobody wound have thought that Fury could school him in his own back yard.

Meh Wlad was ancient at that stage doesn't change my opinion on him tbh, few years earlier and he would have walked through Fury. If you think he schooled him you should watch that fight.

Bobby Baccala · 15-10-2019 11:12am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Vitali with ease ? really ?

Vitali was good but Ko them all with ease is a bit much , Del boy , Briggs Johnson, Hoffman, all went 12 rounds with Vitali ,Christ Chris Byrd beat him, To say he'd ko the current crop with ease is nonsense,

Don't get me wrong hes very a good fighter but he wouldn't roll over any of todays top 5 with ease even in his prime they would be good hard fights ,

Reads like you just read his record on Wikipedia and made your mind up, he fought all those blokes at the death of his career so has nothing to with a prime Vitalli (even though he still handled them all) and everyone knows what happened in the Byrd fight

yourdeadwright · 15-10-2019 11:16am

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Meh Wlad was ancient at that stage doesn't change my opinion on him tbh, few years earlier and he would have walked through Fury. If you think he schooled him you should watch that fight.

Styles make fights there is no time that Wlad would have walked through Fury, Fury said for a long time his size and movement would make him beat Wlad and he was right,

He couldn't work Fury out at all and that wouldn't have changed ,Fury done what Fury does ...enough to win ,

In a rematch Wlad would have had to go for broke and god knows what would happen but he'd lost every time they fought first if you get me,

normanoffside · 15-10-2019 11:31am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Vitali with ease ? really ?

Vitali was good but Ko them all with ease is a bit much , Del boy , Briggs Johnson, Hoffman, all went 12 rounds with Vitali ,Christ Chris Byrd beat him, To say he'd ko the current crop with ease is nonsense,

Don't get me wrong hes very a good fighter but he wouldn't roll over any of todays top 5 with ease even in his prime they would be good hard fights ,

Yeah, I think Vitali is retrospectively over rated. Don't get me wrong, he was a very good fighter and probably the best of his little 10 year spell after Lewis but he was very injury prone and didn't have the 1 punch knockout power of Wlad.
Del Boy gave him a tough fight and he didn't dominate.

yourdeadwright · 15-10-2019 11:43am

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah, I think Vitali is retrospectively over rated. Don't get me wrong, he was a very good fighter and probably the best of his little 10 year spell after Lewis but he was very injury prone and didn't have the 1 punch knockout power of Wlad.
Del Boy gave him a tough fight and he didn't dominate.

People look back at him and over rate him, Although he was one of the best fighter of his "TIME" which was a pretty bad time for heavy weights,

Unfortunately or maybe fortunately for him he didn't fight any really big names bar Lewis , even then we didn't get to see the full fight,

Also don't forget that was Lewis last fight and him at the end of his days ,

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