Election 2020

tudderone · 09-02-2020 7:48pm

eoin.d wrote: »

So your more worried about the huge american companies having to pay tax than the people of the north of Ireland having equal rights and being part of a united ireland.

A united ireland thats broke ? Doesn't sound very appealing. Also can you please tell me what rights the people in northern ireland are denied ?

tudderone · 09-02-2020 7:53pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The Irish US Dems with their plastic paddy routine will have their work cut out for them convincing multi nationals to keep investing in the Auld sod once it turns a fourty shades of Reddish Green.:)

Plus, there is now a country next door,unfetterd by the EU dictatorship,that is a US ally,and in line for perferential trade treatment from and with the US,and open for busisness too.:(

I was reading that the Germans, who's country is now in recession, are worried about the British, as they can slash tax rates to encourage investment banks etc to set up in London. Over 100 have already applied to do so.

eoin.d · 09-02-2020 7:54pm

tudderone wrote: »

A united ireland thats broke ? Doesn't sound very appealing. Also can you please tell me what rights the people in northern ireland are denied ?

So its all about money with you? If they had money you would take them back. Im glad our ancestors didnt have your attitude.
I would call the right to be part of their own country a pretty big right wouldn't you

tudderone · 09-02-2020 8:11pm

eoin.d wrote: »

So its all about money with you? If they had money you would take them back. Im glad our ancestors didnt have your attitude.
I would call the right to be part of their own country a pretty big right wouldn't you

To be honest Eoin, i think you are on the wind up. Were you around in the 60's, 70's and 80's, even into the 90's when this country was basically bankrupt ? I remember it vividly, the appalling slums, the hopeless unemployment, Very few going on to third level education, the alcoholism and drugs, crime, the birth of gangland ireland, no one having a decent car, the state of the roads, the illegal money lenders, rural ireland being an old peoples home as everyone had emigrated. You want to go back to that for some idealistic notion of an united Ireland ? What will it achieve in practical terms can you tell me ?

I have been up north shooting a lot, most of the nationalist people up there seem happy enough to me.

The Westminster government subsidize Northen Ireland to the tune of 10 billion a year, If all these American Companies leave and go to eastern europe, where would the dail get that money ? How would the excellent NHS hospitals up there be funded ?

yubabill · 09-02-2020 8:14pm

Some more "What if's";

With the 20 SF TD's topping the poll so far, with massive surpluses, the party must be rueing not fielding more candidates.

Sooooo....they might think that going into government may not be a great idea. If SF sit this one out, shout about housing and health while a precarious rainbow government muddles its way for 18 months or so before falling off its own nose......SF could come back with more candidates and possibly gain more seats, maybe enough to get Mary Lou into leo's shoes.

Reckon Leo has to go, they'll have to drag him out by the sound of it.

Government parties have paid the price this time, FG and I4Change the losers. Ross gone - no loss.

Reati · 09-02-2020 8:17pm

yubabill wrote: »

Ross gone - no loss.

He was just on the telly. Said the electorate there always seem to punish the top performers and it was concerning to him...

eoin.d · 09-02-2020 9:07pm

tudderone wrote: »

To be honest Eoin, i think you are on the wind up. Were you around in the 60's, 70's and 80's, even into the 90's when this country was basically bankrupt ? I remember it vividly, the appalling slums, the hopeless unemployment, Very few going on to third level education, the alcoholism and drugs, crime, the birth of gangland ireland, no one having a decent car, the state of the roads, the illegal money lenders, rural ireland being an old peoples home as everyone had emigrated. You want to go back to that for some idealistic notion of an united Ireland ? What will it achieve in practical terms can you tell me ?

I have been up north shooting a lot, most of the nationalist people up there seem happy enough to me.

The Westminster government subsidize Northen Ireland to the tune of 10 billion a year, If all these American Companies leave and go to eastern europe, where would the dail get that money ? How would the excellent NHS hospitals up there be funded ?

And to be honest i think your some sort of west brit unionist with all your anti sinn féin lies you have been posting in alot shooting groups.
Sinn féin are the largest nationalist party in the north of Ireland still you say most of them are happy with with they have got. They may be close to the largest down the south aswell so maybe its time for you to hide your money you value so much

Cass · 09-02-2020 9:17pm

Keep it civil lads.

First and only warning.

eoin.d · 09-02-2020 9:19pm

Cass wrote: »

Keep it civil lads.

First and only warning.

Always a bad idea talking politics and religion

Cass · 09-02-2020 9:29pm

I know, but we can keep the name calling out of, and remain somewhat civil while doing it.

Get angry if you want, but attack the point, not the person.

Grizzly 45 · 09-02-2020 10:09pm

eoin.d wrote: »

And to be honest i think your some sort of west brit unionist with all your anti sinn féin lies you have been posting in alot shooting groups.
Sinn féin are the largest nationalist party in the north of Ireland still you say most of them are happy with with they have got. They may be close to the largest down the south aswell so maybe its time for you to hide your money you value so much

How many pieces of silver did SF take from the likes of Junkner and Verhofstadt to tow the EU line?? So lets here no more blather about independent Republican 32 county Ireland..Ye swopped the Crown for the stars of Europe

How does SF intend to finance all this "free stuff for everyone!" Corybinst school of economics? Does Mary Lou seriously expect the Brits to keep paying for a province they have no more intrest in in a different countrry,as she stated on the interview with Brian Dobson? She'll get a very short two word answer from Nr 10
So your advice of hiding your money is sound advice indeed.:p:p

Seriously you need to take off them Green glasses and quit drinking the Republican Kool-Aid.

Feisar · 09-02-2020 10:15pm

Cass wrote: »

Well the big day is finally here. Been out and done mine.

Remember folks that regardless of who you vote for, GET OUT and vote. Last election had an approx. 63% turnout meaning over 1 MILLION people did not make their voices heard. You have no platform on which to complain if you sit at home and let others make the decision for you.

Lastly, fill in all the boxes. Not just your first few preferences. It only takes a few seconds more and your preferences will go to the candidates you nominate.

For the conspiracy theorists among ye, don't forget your pen (cos pencils can be erased )

Firstly thanks for the reply on the stock mods.

Have to disagree on voting, seen no one worth voting for so didn't vote. Spoiling is just being pedantic.

Looks like we'll get the handguns back the way things are going!:D

Grizzly 45 · 09-02-2020 10:24pm

Feisar wrote: »

Looks like we'll get the handguns back the way things are going!:D

Will a British DPM cammo jacket and balacalava be required range wear as well?:eek::D

Feisar · 09-02-2020 10:28pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Will a British DPM cammo jacket and balacalava be required range wear as well?:eek::D

I'm going for the Rayban and scarf look!

Cass · 10-02-2020 12:00am

Feisar wrote: »

Firstly thanks for the reply on the stock mods.

No bother.

Have to disagree on voting, seen no one worth voting for so didn't vote.

You and over a MILLION others done the same. Lower turnout than in 2016 at 62.2%.

Shocking. How people have such apathy for how their country is run that they don't bother to vote. If you're not sure go with a gut feeling, but for the love of God, vote.

If i hear one person moaning about how things go in 6 months, a year, three years, and they didn't vote................ well .......... yeah is all i'll say for now.

Spoiling is just being pedantic.

No, it's wasteful. On a par with not voting.

By not voting or spoiling a vote you have handed a vote to those you don't wish to see in power.

garrettod · 10-02-2020 1:25am

Hi,

Is it not now time for everyone here, to start thinking about how we might all work togeather to protect our sport?

Just think about the influence that we could have, if every licence holder worked together, to exert influence over our politicans.

tudderone · 10-02-2020 1:25pm

eoin.d wrote: »

And to be honest i think your some sort of west brit unionist with all your anti sinn féin lies you have been posting in alot shooting groups.
Sinn féin are the largest nationalist party in the north of Ireland still you say most of them are happy with with they have got. They may be close to the largest down the south aswell so maybe its time for you to hide your money you value so much

Firstly, thanks for the insults, it clearly shows your level, the mask has slipped. Secondly, any "Lies" about SF and their attitude to shooting sports, hunting, Their attitude to civilian gun ownership, i backed up with links FROM THEIR OWN WEBSITE.

Feisar · 10-02-2020 1:30pm

Cass wrote: »

No bother.

You and over a MILLION others done the same. Lower turnout than in 2016 at 62.2%.

Shocking. How people have such apathy for how their country is run that they don't bother to vote. If you're not sure go with a gut feeling, but for the love of God, vote.

If i hear one person moaning about how things go in 6 months, a year, three years, and they didn't vote................ well .......... yeah is all i'll say for now.

No, it's wasteful. On a par with not voting.

By not voting or spoiling a vote you have handed a vote to those you don't wish to see in power.

Apathy is the word, I just couldn't muster up the interest in voting.

tudderone · 10-02-2020 1:42pm

Cass wrote: »

No bother.

You and over a MILLION others done the same. Lower turnout than in 2016 at 62.2%.

Shocking. How people have such apathy for how their country is run that they don't bother to vote. If you're not sure go with a gut feeling, but for the love of God, vote.

If i hear one person moaning about how things go in 6 months, a year, three years, and they didn't vote................ well .......... yeah is all i'll say for now.

No, it's wasteful. On a par with not voting.

By not voting or spoiling a vote you have handed a vote to those you don't wish to see in power.

Trouble is Cass, i was in the booth undecided as who to vote for, i knew who i would not vote for for certain, ff, fg, sf, labour, and that left slim pickin's. I can see why people don't bother or spoil the ballot.

tudderone · 10-02-2020 1:52pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

How many pieces of silver did SF take from the likes of Junkner and Verhofstadt to tow the EU line?? So lets here no more blather about independent Republican 32 county Ireland..Ye swopped the Crown for the stars of Europe

How does SF intend to finance all this "free stuff for everyone!" Corybinst school of economics? Does Mary Lou seriously expect the Brits to keep paying for a province they have no more intrest in in a different countrry,as she stated on the interview with Brian Dobson? She'll get a very short two word answer from Nr 10
So your advice of hiding your money is sound advice indeed.:p:p

Seriously you need to take off them Green glasses and quit drinking the Republican Kool-Aid.

Verhofstat has said now the UK has left the EU , that he wants a law passed so it will be impossible for any other country to leave the eu. The practise of "opt in's" and "opt-out" of eu laws and directives by individual countries is going too, schengen will be compulsory. Also national symbols, flags etc are to be banned from the eu parliament and buildings, and one step further he wants maps of europe, and things like google maps and google earth and the like, to not have the names of individual countries on them anymore, just "europe". So we will see just how nationalist, nationalist parties across europe, including Ireland really are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2LEJ1VP-Q

Grizzly 45 · 10-02-2020 3:04pm

An absolutely insufferable,repugnant little man with a big Furher complex...:mad::mad:
Farrange was right...You can love Europe and loathe the EUSSR,because of creatures like him.

PatrickSmithUS · 10-02-2020 3:19pm

SF come under the scrutiny of the masses now much more so than they've ever done before in relation to policy.

FG and FF need them to stay in power for at least a year to be properly judged.

BattleCorp · 10-02-2020 3:21pm

eoin.d wrote: »

So your more worried about the huge american companies having to pay tax than the people of the north of Ireland having equal rights and being part of a united ireland.

I like the idea of a united Ireland but I very much doubt we could afford it.

Grizzly 45 · 10-02-2020 7:20pm

Shure Mary Lou said this time last week on an interview with Brian Dobson,that once the Brits are out of NI,and it becomes part of the 32,they'll still pay for keeping Ulster afloat!!Also,that the EU will do a "German unification" deal with Ireland... IOW the poor Republic will pay for the griping NI??? God help us,if this is the kind of thinking we will be dealing with.

Brontosaurus · 12-02-2020 5:51pm

I don't understand how anyone can with SF is a nationalist party when they are servants of the EU and internationalist socialists, want to introduce hate speech legislation so we can't argue against uncontrolled mass immigration.

Is their slogan "Brits out, the whole world and their ma in!"?

And far be it from me as a foreigner to have an opinion on the North, but why spill blood over dirt in the North for the sake of national identity when most of the people who support SF and a united Ireland don't even want to secure national identity against the EU, or control their borders to the rest of the world?

I don't think annexing the North will do anyone any good.

Either way, I just want better firearms regulations tbh. A gun owner in the North probably wouldn't want our gun laws.

tudderone · 12-02-2020 7:51pm

Brontosaurus wrote: »

I don't understand how anyone can with SF is a nationalist party when they are servants of the EU and internationalist socialists, want to introduce hate speech legislation so we can't argue against uncontrolled mass immigration.

Is their slogan "Brits out, the whole world and their ma in!"?

And far be it from me as a foreigner to have an opinion on the North, but why spill blood over dirt in the North for the sake of national identity when most of the people who support SF and a united Ireland don't even want to secure national identity against the EU, or control their borders to the rest of the world?

I don't think annexing the North will do anyone any good.

Either way, I just want better firearms regulations tbh. A gun owner in the North probably wouldn't want our gun laws.

You cannot be Nationalist and international socialist, one contradicts the other. they are republican and marxist. They might not even get into power, if SF had an ounce of sense, they would not touch FF with a barge pole. What would their hardcore supporters think ? I doubt they would be happy in the slightest about it. Thats what happened to Labour, they hopped into bed with FF and no one has given them the time of day since.

Grizzly 45 · 12-02-2020 8:52pm

tudderone wrote: »

You cannot be Nationalist and international socialist, one contradicts the other. they are republican and marxist. They might not even get into power, if SF had an ounce of sense, they would not touch FF with a barge pole. What would their hardcore supporters think ? I doubt they would be happy in the slightest about it. Thats what happened to Labour, they hopped into bed with FF and no one has given them the time of day since.

Well we do great contradictions in Ireland.Remember having a Soviet and and a Catholic arch confernatity at the same time???Connolly argued you could be both Catholic and Marxist at the same time.Stalin might have disagreed with him on that point ...

The real dilemna will be for SF.Yelling Brits out!and welcoming prince Harry and that one he got married to.

Grizzly 45 · 12-02-2020 8:52pm

tudderone wrote: »

You cannot be Nationalist and international socialist, one contradicts the other. they are republican and marxist. They might not even get into power, if SF had an ounce of sense, they would not touch FF with a barge pole. What would their hardcore supporters think ? I doubt they would be happy in the slightest about it. Thats what happened to Labour, they hopped into bed with FF and no one has given them the time of day since.

Well we do great contradictions in Ireland.Remember having a Soviet and and a Catholic arch confernatity at the same time???Connolly argued you could be both Catholic and Marxist at the same time.Stalin might have disagreed with him on that point ...

The real dilemna will be for SF.Yelling Brits out!and welcoming prince Harry and that one he got married to.

tudderone · 12-02-2020 9:09pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Well we do great contradictions in Ireland.Remember having a Soviet and and a Catholic arch confernatity at the same time???Connolly argued you could be both Catholic and Marxist at the same time.Stalin might have disagreed with him on that point ...

The real dilemna will be for SF.Yelling Brits out!and welcoming prince Harry and that one he got married to.

Ah yes, Irish logic :rolleyes:. One of the few good things about the church was they were anti-marxist, so i reckon they would not be too happy with Connelly.

Grizzly 45 · 12-02-2020 11:47pm

He was apprently discussing this very point of view with the prision chaplin in Kilmainham,before his execution...gotta give it to him,he never gave up.:p

Feisar · 13-02-2020 9:26pm

Cass wrote: »

No bother.

You and over a MILLION others done the same. Lower turnout than in 2016 at 62.2%.

Shocking. How people have such apathy for how their country is run that they don't bother to vote. If you're not sure go with a gut feeling, but for the love of God, vote.

If i hear one person moaning about how things go in 6 months, a year, three years, and they didn't vote................ well .......... yeah is all i'll say for now.

No, it's wasteful. On a par with not voting.

By not voting or spoiling a vote you have handed a vote to those you don't wish to see in power.

Had a rethink on my stance, yer right. I'm going to engage in future.

garrettod · 14-02-2020 3:07am

If we're to believe FF, you may get your chance sooner than you thought.... With Michael Martin making noise about another election already.

While I'm not convinced that another election in a few weeks or months time, would see many people change from who they voted for this time around, I do think that if we could get more people to get out and use their vote, it would help give a clear picture of what our nation wants.

tudderone · 14-02-2020 10:52pm

garrettod wrote: »

If we're to believe FF, you may get your chance sooner than you thought.... With Michael Martin making noise about another election already.

While I'm not convinced that another election in a few weeks or months time, would see many people change from who they voted for this time around, I do think that if we could get more people to get out and use their vote, it would help give a clear picture of what our nation wants.

Too late, the cats out of the bag. SF will run more candidates and clean up.

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