Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 10:52am

The Bishop Basher wrote:

If even half of that is true, FG are corrupt to the core.

FG being corrupt is nothing new. Think M Lowery former minister for communication and DO'B.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 10:55am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Ah wondered how long it would take someone to blame those that don't set policy. What legislation to deal with high premia and fraud has the opposition blocked that was brought forward by government?

How is it you've formed an opinion on a question you don't know the answer to? As always I'm happy with facts. Current Dail arithmetic means that almost anyone can propose legislation in this area. Policy is not legislation and I suggest you start with how legislation is produced.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/how-laws-are-made/

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:02am

is_that_so wrote:

How is it you've formed an opinion on a question you don't know the answer to? As always I'm happy with facts. Current Dail arithmetic means that almost anyone can propose legislation in this area. Policy is not legislation and I suggest you start with how legislation is produced.

Your only interest in facts seem to be those that do no cast FG in a bad light. Are you seriously suggesting the opposition in the Dail is frustrating FG's attempts to tackle the high cost of insurance and the damage it is doing? Can you highlight what measures FG as the governing party has introduced but is being twarted?

golfball37 · 09-07-2019 11:10am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

FG being corrupt is nothing new. Think M Lowery former minister for communication and DO'B.

FG used to maintain a higher standard as an alternative to FF. Lowry was expelled from the party years before Moriarty findings for example.
For whatever reason they no longer have these principles which is sad.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 11:12am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your only interest in facts seem to be those that do no cast FG in a bad light. Are you seriously suggesting the opposition in the Dail is frustrating FG's attempts to tackle the high cost of insurance and the damage it is doing? Can you highlight what measures FG as the governing party has introduced but is being twarted?

Me no. They are doing that all by themselves. Why does the use of facts somehow make someone a defender of questionable performance? As for the legislation there is a FF PMB, which is at the 2nd stage.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/ga/debates/debate/dail/2019-04-16/35/

Here's the timeline of such a bill

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2019/32/

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:14am

golfball37 wrote:

FG used to maintain a higher standard as an alternative to FF. Lowry was expelled from the party years before Moriarty findings for example. For whatever reason they no longer have these principles which is sad.

Was the Moriarty released and the findings acted on? DO'B was found to be a corrupt individual yet Enda Kenny when Taoiseach was happy to share the Dias at the NYSE with him.

tayto lover · 09-07-2019 11:15am

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am absolutely positive that Madigan is heavily involved. Time will tell.

This article on John and Maria Bailey is interesting...
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/05/29/eamonn-kelly-not-far-from-the-tree/

The electorate in Dun Laoghaire must be a forgiving bunch.

That’s fairly damning if true.
And he got away with it.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:15am

is_that_so wrote:

Here's the timeline of such a bill

So what has the opposition done to thwart FG efforts to deal with high insurance costs?

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 11:21am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So what has the opposition done to thwart FG efforts to deal with high insurance costs?

Procedure in the legislature is that if the government has decided not to oppose a bill it goes through its stages to eventually become law. They don't propose their own so not much thwarting going on.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:23am

is_that_so wrote:

Procedure in the legislature is that if the government has decided not to oppose a bill it goes through its stages to eventually become law. They don't propose their own so not much thwarting going on.

So you agree that no-one is thwarting FG in their attempt as the party of government to deal with crippling insurance costs. So what legislation has FG brought forward to deal with the situation? I can't find any.

McMurphy · 09-07-2019 11:24am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

You reckon those two are largely responsible for high insurance premiums?

Not solely, but they evidently aren't a fanny hair better than the welfare scammers they and their party like to encourage us to rat out.

Insurance fraud - just like welfare fraud hurts us all.

golfball37 · 09-07-2019 11:29am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Was the Moriarty released and the findings acted on? DO'B was found to be a corrupt individual yet Enda Kenny when Taoiseach was happy to share the Dias at the NYSE with him.

No- I was taking pre Kenny FG. Bruton expelled Lowry when it was discovered Ben Dunne paid for his house extension back in the 1980s. No internal reports, no spin. Just bye bye. FG no longer have these principles as evidenced by the inaction on Moriarty and now Bailey/Madigan/Farrell.

Slogans like we help those who get up early, not another red cent and Insurance cheats, cheat us all are so hollow now they make FF look a better option. How they could do that in 8 short years is anyone's guess. Its more a pity than an outrage however.

We need a party in Ireland that stand for the things FG claim to stand for, but one that actually backs it up with actions.

mike_cork · 09-07-2019 11:35am

golfball37 wrote: »

No- I was taking pre Kenny FG. Bruton expelled Lowry when it was discovered Ben Dunne paid for his house extension back in the 1980s. No internal reports, no spin. Just bye bye. FG no longer have these principles as evidenced by the inaction on Moriarty and now Bailey/Madigan/Farrell.

Slogans like we help those who get up early, not another red cent and Insurance cheats, cheat us all are so hollow now they make FF look a better option. How they could do that in 8 short years is anyone's guess. Its more a pity than an outrage however.

We need a party in Ireland that stand for the things FG claim to stand for, but one that actually backs it up with actions.

This

Jupiter Mulligan · 09-07-2019 11:40am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Not really, dude. SF are a spent docket. Having nothing only gibberish to offer the people. Can see them becoming part of the Labour Party within 10 years. Like the stickies before them. The only appeal of sf to some people was the likes of Adams and the lad who can’t read down in Kerry. The lad who picked up the killers of Sergeant Jerry McCabe. The Ferris gombeen.

But Doherty's insurance showboating in the Oireachtas Committee managed to con the imbecilic Una Mullally to write a simpering column about him in the Irish Times. And that will probably influence some of the airheads who read her drivel.

Jupiter Mulligan · 09-07-2019 11:43am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Was the Moriarty released and the findings acted on? DO'B was found to be a corrupt individual yet Enda Kenny when Taoiseach was happy to share the Dias at the NYSE with him.

The report was referred to the DPP and AGS, which, in case you weren't aware, are the bodies tasked with initiating prosecutions in this country.

Contrary to the impression of many of the bottom feeders contributing (sic) to this thread, politicians - even Taoisigh - aren't able to initiate prosecutions.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:44am

Unbelievable, Doherty shows up the insurance industry for gouging the public yet a bunch of (i'll be infracted if I use the word) 'posters' here and elsewhere are attacking Doherty. Skin in the game lads?

Floppybits · 09-07-2019 11:44am

I see it has been announced that her dad died. Terrible thing but it has probably got her and Leo out of a tricky situation.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:45am

Jupiter Mulligan wrote:

Contrary to the impression of many of the bottom feeders contributing (sic) to this thread, politicians - even Taoisigh - aren't able to initiate prosecutions.

You were doing ok till you called other posters bottom feeders. Zero credibility.

Jupiter Mulligan · 09-07-2019 11:47am

golfball37 wrote: »

We need a party in Ireland that stand for the things FG claim to stand for, but one that actually backs it up with actions.

That chimerical Party was once called the Pee Dees. Currently it's called the Soc Dems. Before I pass away, it will probably have had quite a few more name changes.

But cosmetics apart, nothing will change. Rather like Saint Augustine, the vast majority of the Irish people don't want to be made pure, just yet.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:50am

Floppybits wrote:

I see it has been announced that her dad died. Terrible thing but it has probably got her and Leo out of a tricky situation.

Sad for the family and I wish them comfort. However sympathy will not make people forget her behaviour and that of Leo's handling. It would be even more distasteful if some tried to use the man's passing as a 'get out of jail card'.

Jupiter Mulligan · 09-07-2019 11:51am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You were doing ok till you called other posters bottom feeders. Zero credibility.

I'm not posting here in an attempt to seek popularity. And I certainly don't seek any credibility from the brainless demographic.

I was merely expressing my hearty contempt for the prolix, opinionated, bilious windbags who genuinely haven't the first clue about how things work in a democracy, but still consider that their ill-informed rantings have a degree of merit.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 11:54am

Jupiter Mulligan wrote:

I'm not posting here in an attempt to seek popularity. And I certainly don't seek any credibility among the brainless.

Arrogance is a nasty attribute, nothing to be celebrated tbh. Calling others names and vacuous insults is the last vestige of someone who has nothing to say of any import. Reply to my comment if you wish but you will receive no reply. Have a good one.

ChikiChiki · 09-07-2019 11:55am

RIP. You would have to wonder why John Bailey ran for the council with motor neurone disease. He was obviously very unwell during canvassing and election.

Edit. Can see twitter is being a nasty place already. Really is a cesspit.

Boggles · 09-07-2019 11:55am

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

I'm not posting here in an attempt to seek popularity. And I certainly don't seek any credibility from the brainless demographic.

I was merely expressing my hearty contempt for the prolix, opinionated, bilious windbags who genuinely haven't the first clue about how things work in a democracy, but still consider that their ill-informed rantings have a degree of merit.

Why are the "newest" members of this platform always the most E-Hard?

ohnonotgmail · 09-07-2019 11:57am

Boggles wrote: »

Why are the "newest" members of this platform always the most E-Hard?

who says they are new?

tayto lover · 09-07-2019 11:59am

Boggles wrote: »

Why are the "newest" members of this platform always the most E-Hard?

They might not be new. A bit like the Pee dees.

Boggles · 09-07-2019 12:01pm

I said "newest".

Floppybits · 09-07-2019 12:15pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

RIP. You would have to wonder why John Bailey ran for the council with motor neurone disease. He was obviously very unwell during canvassing and election.

Edit. Can see twitter is being a nasty place already. Really is a cesspit.

What happens with his council seat? Does there now need to be another election to fill his seat?

Snow Garden · 09-07-2019 12:17pm

RIP John Bailey

I am going to take a break from this thread for a few days.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 12:17pm

Floppybits wrote:

What happens with his council seat? Does there now need to be another election to fill his seat?

No election the seat will be filled by the local FG organisation.

Stop moaning ffs · 09-07-2019 12:25pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

I'm not posting here in an attempt to seek popularity. And I certainly don't seek any credibility from the brainless demographic.

I was merely expressing my hearty contempt for the prolix, opinionated, bilious windbags who genuinely haven't the first clue about how things work in a democracy, but still consider that their ill-informed rantings have a degree of merit.

Your sole mission seems to be stating this and attacking anyone you deem to be an idiot or simply wrong across numerous threads and numerous topics.

You rarely seem to add or contribute anything. Outside just attacking posters you deem lesser than you somehow.

Strange that.

Suckit · 09-07-2019 12:58pm

I just came to post it but seems it has already been mentioned.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-councillor-and-ex-gaa-chairman-john-bailey-dies-1.3951196

RustyNut · 09-07-2019 1:05pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Your sole mission seems to be stating this and attacking anyone you deem to be an idiot or simply wrong across numerous threads and numerous topics.

You rarely seem to add or contribute anything. Outside just attacking posters you deem lesser than you somehow.

Strange that.

It's comedy gold I think. Hyacinth Bucket levels of arrogance. Reflective of the attitude taken by the FG parliamentary party towards the the ordinary voters including their own party members.

RustyNut · 09-07-2019 1:07pm

Suckit wrote: »

I just came to post it but seems it has already been mentioned.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-councillor-and-ex-gaa-chairman-john-bailey-dies-1.3951196

RIP

McMurphy · 09-07-2019 1:07pm

Suckit wrote: »

I just came to post it but seems it has already been mentioned.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-councillor-and-ex-gaa-chairman-john-bailey-dies-1.3951196

Rip.

Odyssey 2005 · 09-07-2019 1:26pm

Floppybits wrote: »

I see it has been announced that her dad died. Terrible thing but it has probably got her and Leo out of a tricky situation.

If it's true, why has it gotten them out of a sticky situation ?.

Edit ; it does seem to be true,rte news on line reporting it anyway.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 09-07-2019 1:29pm

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

Odyssey 2005 · 09-07-2019 1:30pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

You joking ?

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 1:30pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you agree that no-one is thwarting FG in their attempt as the party of government to deal with crippling insurance costs. So what legislation has FG brought forward to deal with the situation? I can't find any.

If that's what you wanted to get from all of this then what can I say. There is a FF sponsored bill underway and at some point it will become law. I expect it to have cross-party input in amendments before enactment.

Stop moaning ffs · 09-07-2019 1:30pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

I’m sure the many businesses closing every month would love this little nugget of advice and just move on with their lives.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 1:31pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote:

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

Councillors Bailey's passing is sad and I hope as I already said I hope his family finds comfort. Maria's attempt at an inflated claim is a separate issue and your attempt to conflate the two is disgusting and pathetic.

09-07-2019 1:36pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

But life still goes on. My sympathies to the Bailey family at the passing of their father but death is the final part of life. It will happen us all.

The world keeps turning and the living still have to worry about, living. Sorry but that’s reality.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 1:37pm

Suckit wrote: »

I will stop out of respect, temporarily, but I will not ever vote FG again as long as she remains.

You should be safe come election time! My money is on deselection or her retirement!:D

McMurphy · 09-07-2019 1:37pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

What perspective?

Are we to overlook shortcomings and corruption based on deaths of loved ones?

Sad time for the Bailey household, and they have my sincere condolences, but cllr Bailey's death should have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of this predicament Maria and others find themselves in.

Muahahaha · 09-07-2019 1:50pm

banie01 wrote: »

If Madigan had not been Bailey's legal representative, the simple Expedient of answering No, would have ended speculation about her involvement.
That proceedings opened in 2016, and Madigan did not step down from her firm until late 2017, is also a quite telling indicator of the source of the advice provided to Bailey.

Mick Clifford in the Examiner had a good article on the fiasco the other day. He made the valid point that both Bailey and Madigan could forgo client-solicitor privledge at any point they want. Now given Madigan is taking political heat over Baileys case if she didnt have any involvement in advising Bailey then they could just simply issue a joint statement saying that she didn't have any involvement. The fact they havent issued this statement speaks volumes. Madigan continues to allow her whole constituency to see her as an ambulance chaser. Now as a vote seeking politician why would you do that if it wasn't true?

Odyssey 2005 · 09-07-2019 1:51pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

If she was in court on criminal charges,would we move on from those also ?

ohnonotgmail · 09-07-2019 1:52pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Mick Clifford in the Examiner had a good article on the fiasco the other day. He made the valid point that both Bailey and Madigan could forgo client-solicitor privledge at any point they want. Now given Madigan is taking political heat over Baileys case if she didnt have any involvement in advising Bailey then they could just simply issue a joint statement saying that she didn't have any involvement. The fact they havent issued this statement speaks volumes. Madigan continues to allow her whole constituency to see her as an ambulance chaser. Now as a vote seeking politician why would you do that if it wasn't true?

i mean...clearly...if we just step back and examine the facts...eh...i've just heard somebody call me. i'll finish this later. promise.

Pedro K · 09-07-2019 2:08pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

My dad died in 2012. Does this mean I have one unused free pass at exaggerating injuries to get more money from an insurance company?

James Brown · 09-07-2019 2:15pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

It is not the time to revisit his shady dealings nor use his passing to dismiss those of his daughter. I would suggest you could have merely commented on his passing instead of using it to score points.

_Kaiser_ · 09-07-2019 2:17pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

RIP to Councillor Bailey. Thoughts and prayers with the Bailey family. Hopefully this gives people perspective and will stop hounding Deputy Bailey and move on with their lives.

The two are not related, and attempting to do so is nonsense.

I can feel sympathy for their personal loss and still be deeply unsatisfied with the events surrounding Maria and indeed some of the previous activities of her father as others have posted about here.

I suspect you know that though.

Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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