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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

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  • #7402
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    gosplan wrote: »
    I said that too a year ago. Moyes was a smart move because he was an easy guy to ditch once he failed. What would happen if Jose came in and they still bombed?
    Moyes for years had been a media favourite, a d I think his being British also lender itself to getting much lighter treatment from the media than if a Roberto Martinez type had come in and had similar results. The players we re in large part to blame, mostly from not being good enough and that was also a testament for Fergie getting 89pts from them for two years running (though signing many of them in the first place also is something worth criticising him over).

    But in terms of the players not putting in the effort, that is something that developed over the earlier months of the season and while still not excusable it is somewhat understandable. Moyes' tactics were embarrassing, leading for only a tiny handful of goals from open play by October I believe. He drove Ferdinand into the ground at his age, playing him constantly where Ferguson had rotated him in and out of the team. Tactically he was comically poor, often sticking with a cautious deep backline while keeping our attacking players high up the pitch which was not only stupid in itself but player to all of our weaknesses in midfield by asking Carrick, post illness Fletcher and Cleverley to cover acres of space, and by expecting Fellaini to be able to play football when in possession.

    Worst of all, whenever we got a lead, he not only failed to go for the kill but actually wanted 7-9 players to get behind the ball and hold on for dear life like a midtable team typically would against us. This, for a number of reasons, did not work and cost us leads time and again. He came out in postmatch interviews with comments that almost seemed like he was trolling everyone, bragging about having over 80 crosses against Fulham when people had been combining about his "get wide and cross" approach being draconian for ages, "we aspire to some day be on Man City's level" less than a year removed from beating them to the title, or saying "Cardiff is a tough place to get a result against so we are happy with the draw" having given up ANOTHER lead late on. And as per most reports his training was equally clueless with the vast majority of the focus being on running and fit was, including for older players like Ferdinand and Giggs who at their ages were not only always going to struggle with that, but who don't rely on those attributes anymore.

    Basically yes the players gave up on him in the final months, and yes the squad was not of the quality Ferguson had got out of them in terms of results the two years prior (but they were a LOT better than the 63ish points he had them on pace for, and he had a large role in failing to strengthen over last summer) but he dug his own hole. The kiddie glove treatment he got in the media, especially towards the end, was far more irritating to me than any internal factor. At the end of the day, nice enough guy though he seems he was still wildly incompetent so comparing his treatment to what a proven top end manager like Mourinho would have gotten would have received is completely irrelevant.


  • #7403
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    HaveASnickers wrote: »
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    I could go on and on. So many people thought we'd get at least 3rd.

    Now with a better manager, so much investment and some deadwood removed some are happy to sneak into 4th place? :confused:

    Let's try this the other way around and see a little less badgering...


    What do you think has changed in the last 12 months in PL land regarding top half teams, dont be shy, i'm sure you've been thinking about it cos you've been repeating the same question for ages now.


  • #7404
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    I don't buy it really Rio was fantastic the second half of two seasons ago. Then last season he looked so poor. Maybe it was his legs but i think it's more likely after so much success under Fergie he slacked off when Moyes came in. I think a good few players were slacking off last year which i don;t think LVG would have stood for.

    Rio is an arsehole and he really showed that in his last season, a classless lout who while a great player in his day, it was much shorter than he thought.


  • #7405
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Zico wrote: »
    Apart from those few months he was missing when he was suspended for missing a drugs test.

    I like the phrase "X owes the club nothing", please don't abuse it. I'd like it to carry some meaning when referring to a player with an exemplary record.:)

    Evra owes the club nothing.


  • #7406
    Cypher_sounds
    Registered Users Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭Cypher_sounds


    Out of the dutch world cup squad one player i hope to god we get is De Vrij he is a tank of a defender from what ive seen of him, miles better than Jones who always looks uncomfortable playing football to me.


  • #7407
    HaveASnickers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭HaveASnickers


    Donnielighto wrote: »
    Let's try this the other way around and see a little less badgering...


    What do you think has changed in the last 12 months in PL land regarding top half teams, dont be shy, i'm sure you've been thinking about it cos you've been repeating the same question for ages now.

    Well Liverpool are going to be weaker without Suarez and they have CL to contend with
    Spurs are always around 5th
    Everton overachieved last season, won't be challenging for 4th
    Arsenal are Arsenal.
    Southampton are selling their best players
    Newcastle don't buy players
    Chelsea have improved their team
    City I don't believe have strenghtened massively...they're looking at CL.

    And I've been repeating the same questions for ages now? I've asked it twice, first time no one responded. And I've only been posting for a few weeks here!


  • #7408
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    It must really grate you that he is possibly the best defender in the history of the club. :p


  • #7409
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    I don't buy it really Rio was fantastic the second half of two seasons ago. Then last season he looked so poor. Maybe it was his legs but i think it's more likely after so much success under Fergie he slacked off when Moyes came in. I think a good few players were slacking off last year which i don;t think LVG would have stood for.

    35 years old, his legs were definitely gone. That was obvious from the West Brom game early in the season, he struggled with pace that day, something he excelled at in his prime.


  • #7410
    umop.episdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭umop.episdn


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It must really grate you that he is possibly the best defender in the history of the club. :p

    He's not even the best defender to have played under SAF !


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  • #7411
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    There are reports that Liverpool are trying to get Reus, he would pick us over them and I would be seriously píssed if we weren't in for him and adding 20 million on top of whatever Liverpool offer


  • #7412
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,977 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Cypher_sounds wrote: »
    Out of the dutch world cup squad one player i hope to god we get is De Vrij he is a tank of a defender from what ive seen of him, miles better than Jones who always looks uncomfortable playing football to me.

    Watched all the Dutch matches and Vlaar has been sensational but i have been impressed with De Vrij only 22 and plenty of improvement to come. Young and will be cheap i would love him.


  • #7413
    Kylo Ren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,364 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    There are reports that Liverpool are trying to get Reus

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  • #7414
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Zico wrote: »
    Apart from those few months he was missing when he was suspended for missing a drugs test.

    I like the phrase "X owes the club nothing", please don't abuse it. I'd like it to carry some meaning when referring to a player with an exemplary record.:)

    Some standard you're keeping there. Going on that logic Keane and Cantona also owe the club for time missed due to needless suspensions.

    Over 300 performances during a 11/12 year, trophy-laden career, like I said Rio owes United nothing. If he does owe United something, the list of guys who don't must be pretty short.


  • #7415
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    There are reports that Liverpool are trying to get Reus, he would pick us over them and I would be seriously píssed if we weren't in for him and adding 20 million on top of whatever Liverpool offer

    It's hilarious how we were told by Liverpool fans that there would be no chance of United landing the likes of Reus and Vidal and now all of a sudden Liverpool could get them???

    I don't think United could get them but Liverpool have a much worse chance.


  • #7416
    umop.episdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭umop.episdn


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    There are reports that Liverpool are trying to get Reus, he would pick us over them and I would be seriously píssed if we weren't in for him and adding 20 million on top of whatever Liverpool offer

    Saw reports last week that he was annoyed with Barca for choosing Suarez as he had been sounded out for a move by Zubizeretta & had discouraged United from pursuing him.
    All paper talk of course, but wonder if there's a nugget of truth there?


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  • #7417
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,977 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Would really like to go for Shaqiri you could probably get him for 15 million and he would surely be open to moving since he is not a starter for Bayern.


  • #7418
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    HaveASnickers wrote: »
    Well Liverpool are going to be weaker without Suarez and they have CL to contend with
    Spurs are always around 5th
    Everton overachieved last season, won't be challenging for 4th
    Arsenal are Arsenal.
    Southampton are selling their best players
    Newcastle don't buy players
    Chelsea have improved their team
    City I don't believe have strenghtened massively...they're looking at CL.

    And I've been repeating the same questions for ages now? I've asked it twice, first time no one responded. And I've only been posting for a few weeks here!

    This annoys me a little bit. You're just writing off the best teams in the PL.

    Ah well, Arsenal are Arsenal.
    They might well have won the league last season if it hadn't been for a spate of injuries to key players. And they have added a world class player in Sanchez. If they keep their players fit, they could easily win the league.

    Newcastle don't buy players... :confused:

    City are close to signing Mangala, who IMO is the missing link for them. Their biggest weakness over the last few years was that they didn't have a proper partner for Kompany. It now looks like they have their man. City could possibly run away with the league this year.

    And in answer to your original question: I don't think anyone is HAPPY to finish in 4th place. We all want the club to win the league, but as things stand, there are major problems with the squad, and we have a new manager coming in, and he will likely change to a formation that our players aren't familiar with.

    And like it or not, the squad that did so well in wining the 12/13 title was on its last legs. There were major problems in that squad and Fergie held it together, and RVP turned a LOT of mediocre performances into three points.


  • #7419
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    Reus to Liverpool? It really is silly season.


  • #7420
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    If we did get Hummels and Reus I wouldn't be able to hold in my happiness. I rate Reus a lot better than Di Maria (Just my view). Seems too good to be true! Probably just papers making more rumours, but god I hope we get Reus.


  • #7421
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    umop.episdn wrote: »
    He's not even the best defender to have played under SAF !
    Yes, yes he is. Stam is up there too but his stint was shorter and our defense was proven better with Ferdinand.


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  • #7422
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yes, yes he is. Stam is up there too but his stint was shorter and our defense was proven better with Ferdinand.

    Stam didn't have Vidic playing next to him.


  • #7423
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Adamocovic wrote: »
    If we did get Hummels and Reus I wouldn't be able to hold in my happiness. I rate Reus a lot better than Di Maria (Just my view). Seems too good to be true! Probably just papers making more rumours, but god I hope we get Reus.

    Agree with you on Reus.

    Anyway, rumours of Reus to Liverpool and Skybet makes United favourite to sign Reus.
    LVG wants him according to other rumours.
    United are favourites at 4/1 from 7/1
    Arsenal 5/1 from 7/2
    Liverpool 6/1 from 14/1.

    So that is where people are putting their money.
    Means he is favourite not to move...


  • #7424
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    Stam didn't have Vidic playing next to him.
    No, just Roy Keane playing in front of him along with a midfield that dominated games far more so than during Ferdinands best years.


  • #7425
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, just Roy Keane playing in front of him along with a midfield that dominated games far more so than during Ferdinands best years.

    Ah but Stam had to play in baggier shorts and heavier boots. :rolleyes:


  • #7426
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, just Roy Keane playing in front of him along with a midfield that dominated games far more so than during Ferdinands best years.

    We were the top, or second best, team in Europe during Rio's best years....


  • #7427
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    Ah but Stam had to play in baggier shorts and heavier boots. :rolleyes:

    ..and he had no hair to cushion those headers.


  • #7428
    HaveASnickers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭HaveASnickers


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    This annoys me a little bit. You're just writing off the best teams in the PL.

    Ah well, Arsenal are Arsenal.
    They might well have won the league last season if it hadn't been for a spate of injuries to key players. And they have added a world class player in Sanchez. If they keep their players fit, they could easily win the league.

    Newcastle don't buy players... :confused:

    City are close to signing Mangala, who IMO is the missing link for them. Their biggest weakness over the last few years was that they didn't have a proper partner for Kompany. It now looks like they have their man. City could possibly run away with the league this year.

    And in answer to your original question: I don't think anyone is HAPPY to finish in 4th place. We all want the club to win the league, but as things stand, there are major problems with the squad, and we have a new manager coming in, and he will likely change to a formation that our players aren't familiar with.

    And like it or not, the squad that did so well in wining the 12/13 title was on its last legs. There were major problems in that squad and Fergie held it together, and RVP turned a LOT of mediocre performances into three points.

    Arsenal might have won the league if they didn't have injuries? has that been their excuse since they last won the league? They always look good early on and end up no where near winning it.

    Yes when was the last time Newcastle last bought a player permanently?

    The point I'm making is I expect LVG to be challenging for the league and he will be seen as a messiah for bringing a team from the edge of champions league to challenging for the title when imo it should be expected.


  • #7429
    HaveASnickers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 139 ✭✭HaveASnickers


    On Reus, his agent has been discussing a move to Barca for quite some time and is quite baffled as to why they've spent big money on Suarez. It seemed like he was going to go to Barca but now Suarez has changed all this.


  • #7430
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    HaveASnickers wrote: »
    On Reus, his agent has been discussing a move to Barca for quite some time and is quite baffled as to why they've spent big money on Suarez. It seemed like he was going to go to Barca but now Suarez has changed all this.

    New manager, Kroos and United...


  • #7431
    KH25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭KH25


    HaveASnickers wrote: »
    On Reus, his agent has been discussing a move to Barca for quite some time and is quite baffled as to why they've spent big money on Suarez. It seemed like he was going to go to Barca but now Suarez has changed all this.

    Suarez to Barca is baffling in a sense anyway. The team is crying out for investment at CB. Puyol has never been replaced and now that he's gone that need is far greater. They love going off and throwing huge sums away on attackers.


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  • #7432
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    We were the top, or second best, team in Europe during Rio's best years....
    And in no small part thanks to him. We were up there thanks to having a great defence (despite a good but not great Carrick/Fletcher being all they had to shield thrm) which he was the unquestioned star player, leader and organiser of, and then being able to hit teams quickly on the counter with Ronaldo, Rooney, etc, again in no small part thanks to the quality distribution from deep coming from Scholes, VDS and... Rio Ferdinand.


  • #7433
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,666 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    That CNN guy is saying Vidal to us is 75% done


  • #7434
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,626 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    That CNN guy is saying Vidal to us is 75% done

    Link?


  • #7435
    newballsplease
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭newballsplease


    75% done ?! Lol


  • #7436
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,666 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Headshot wrote: »
    Link?
    Diego Bustos @DiegoBustosCNN · 3h
    @ricketts_jr Just short of full confirmation, Di Maria to PSG and Vidal to Manchester United. As of now 75%.

    Also mentions Di Maria.
    Diego Bustos @DiegoBustosCNN · 2h
    @ricketts_jr my own sources. RM and MU got nowhere, PSG offer is much better. Paris is more suitable for Di Maria and family over Manchester

    https://twitter.com/DiegoBustosCNN/with_replies


  • #7437
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Hope boards are prepared for boardsmageddon if we sign the best midfielder in the world

    24 hours of gifs would be in order


  • #7438
    KH25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭KH25


    If we sign Vidal this will be the best transfer window the club has had in years, with a lot more to come by the sound of it!


  • #7439
    newballsplease
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭newballsplease


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    Also mentions Di Maria.



    https://twitter.com/DiegoBustosCNN/with_replies


    He also said this a few days ago !

    "Di María agreed to be transferred to Manchester United with a salary of £150,000 per week. The clubs about to finish the deal."


    So he speaks alot of Bull by the looks of it.


  • #7440
    MagicIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Hope boards are prepared for boardsmageddon if we sign the best midfielder in the world

    24 hours of gifs would be in order

    The mods won't know what hit them. Anna, J-Law and every kind of celebration gif would crash the website.


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  • #7441
    Copper_pipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭Copper_pipe


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    The mods won't know what hit them. Anna, J-Law and every kind of celebration gif would crash the website.

    Can't forget Randy Marsh


  • #7442
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,666 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Has anybody else been reading the Vidal thread on Redcafe? found two interesting posts there, quoted from the Juve fan forum.
    it kind of makes sense if you think about it.

    in april, conte said that the club lacked the fund to compete in cl. then suddenly now we have 60 million plus to spend on morata and itrube?

    smart thinking by conte using the money that is coming from the vidal sale before his actual sale so clubs dont charge us more

    Which I remember someone posting something similar here recently, been wondering where that money has come from aswell.

    And in relation to Vidals interview
    I'm from Chile and they are showing Vidal on TV now.

    The journalist asked him if he's happy in Juventus and if his Chilean fans will watch him in black&white next year again. He replied: "I am very happy in Juve. I want to stay but that's up to the club. The financial situation in Italian football is very bad. I want to stay, I do, but if I were to leave I will do it only for a historically important club in one of the top 2 leagues in the world.
    Then the journalist said: "Barca or Real?" Vidal replies: "Both are big clubs". Journalist: "United, Arsenal Chelsea and Manchester City?". Vidal: "Only one of them is a historically big club" and he smiled. PSG? "I said only Juve or top 2 leagues".

    Could be someone on the windup so I apologise but its interesting to read nevertheless


  • #7443
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,626 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I dont have a clue of how we'll play next season or even what our 1st team will be


  • #7444
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    The mods won't know what hit them. Anna, J-Law and every kind of celebration gif would crash the website.

    We sign Vidal, I'll be posting them with ye :pac:


  • #7445
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    Has anybody else been reading the Vidal thread on Redcafe? found two interesting posts there, quoted from the Juve fan forum.



    Which I remember someone posting something similar here recently, been wondering where that money has come from aswell.

    And in relation to Vidals interview



    Could be someone on the windup so I apologise but its interesting to read nevertheless

    Juve fans trolling ManUtd fans reading that forum. Both are fake.


  • #7446
    dahat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Hope boards are prepared for boardsmageddon if we sign the best midfielder in the world

    24 hours of gifs would be in order

    We should be allowed a gif purge...24hrs only.


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  • #7447
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Headshot wrote: »
    I dont have a clue of how we'll play next season or even what our 1st team will be

    Kind of what makes it genuinely exciting all the same. I think a lot of people's fantasy teams on here will turn out to be way off


  • #7448
    shadowcomplex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    If Vidal was the next and last signing in this window how happy/disappointed would ye be?


  • #7449
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    Marca are claiming Vidal is almost done too. Not posting the link as its in Spanish anyways.


  • #7450
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    shadowcomplex wrote: »
    If Vidal was the next and last signing in this window how happy/disappointed would ye be?

    well id be happier than right now as it would be one problem filled, but we need two world class signings (CB and CM) and not just one.

    it would be better than nothing, but i still think (100% sure) we will sign a low cost center back.


  • #7451
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Marca in Spain are claiming Vidal has his bags already packed in preparation for his move to Manchester.

    How they are suppose to know that is questionable.


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