Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

keane2097

De Gea is great and has huge potential to improve but Neuer is a monster already, shocked at the lack of love he seems to have in the UK and Ireland.

keane2097

Technophobe wrote: »

Would we want him tho...
Presume Verratti too much like what we have?

Khedira is another one, how could you not want him? He's brilliant.

DM_7

Technophobe wrote: »

Would we want him tho...
Presume Verratti too much like what we have?

I would take him any day especially to replace Carrick but for the money maybe going for Carvalho would make more sense so we could make full use of Carrick next season and have van Gaal work with him. Khedira would be a really good signing in his own right.

Not sure PSG would want to sell Verratti.

I think the way players like Khedira will become available or how players like Pjanic or Strrotman end up at Roma shows that midfield can be improved without great difficulty so lets have faith in van Gaal. Herrera is a great start.

glued

Neuer had good distribution but he lacks the concentration to be a really top keeper. Seems to make silly mistakes a lot.

EuropeanSon

glued wrote: »

Neuer had good distribution but he lacks the concentration to be a really top keeper. Seems to make silly mistakes a lot.

Ah now. If Neuer isn't yet a "really top keeper", who the hell is?

Giggsy11

keane2097 wrote: »

De Gea is great and has huge potential to improve but Neuer is a monster already, shocked at the lack of love he seems to have in the UK and Ireland.

Not sure about that, almost every English journalist rates him as the best GK in the world.

Adamocovic

glued wrote: »

Neuer had good distribution but he lacks the concentration to be a really top keeper. Seems to make silly mistakes a lot.

I think he's one of the top keepers already. You don't see him make too many mistakes, I'd argue his concentration is one of the best for keepers, always off his line very quick and gets to the ball. Sometimes it may look a bit nerve racking but to be fair he always looks calm and in control for the most part. Just different opinions on him though.

keane2097

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Not sure about that, almost every English journalist rates him as the best GK in the world.

Maybe it's just here so, was trying to give irish people credit for not being the only christys

mrkiscool2

Have to agree that Neuer is an immense keeper. However, De Gea is probably the best young keeper in the world and has 5 years to catch up where Neuer is now. De Gea has markedly improve in every field in the last few years as well as being probably the best shot stopper in the world. Neuer has something that De Gea doesn't have yet- presence in the goal and over the defence and an ability to read the field with near 100% accuracy.

Adamocovic

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Have to agree that Neuer is an immense keeper. However, De Gea is probably the best young keeper in the world and has 5 years to catch up where Neuer is now. De Gea has markedly improve in every field in the last few years as well as being probably the best shot stopper in the world. Neuer has something that De Gea doesn't have yet- presence in the goal and over the defence and an ability to read the field with near 100% accuracy.

Very true, I think the main difference between De Gea and Neuer is confidence. Neuer seems to be one of the most relaxed and confident goalkeepers in the world.

De Gea has been making terrific improvements and is an outstanding keeper, a few more season and taking over from Casillas at Spain, and I can see his confidence going sky high.

glued

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Ah now. If Neuer isn't yet a "really top keeper", who the hell is?

Not sure really. I liked Neuer at Schalke where he was as solid as a rock. I don't think he's still at that level.

I suppose he is one of the top keepers though.

Technophobe

DM-ICE wrote: »

I would take him any day especially to replace Carrick but for the money maybe going for Carvalho would make more sense so we could make full use of Carrick next season and have van Gaal work with him. Khedira would be a really good signing in his own right.

Not sure PSG would want to sell Verratti.

I think the way players like Khedira will become available or how players like Pjanic or Strrotman end up at Roma shows that midfield can be improved without great difficulty so lets have faith in van Gaal. Herrera is a great start.

Fair points..
Possibility that if PSG get Yaya, they may sell.. Given that they respect the Financial Fair Play rules so much

mcratsix

Am I the only one that doesn't rate Khedira at all? I'd take Strootman, Vidal, Carvalho, verrati or even de Jong over Khedira

Mikeyt086

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

While it's always tempting to sink your teeth into a juicy topic, I just wouldn't be bother with that threadabout 75% of threads in the soccer forum. Because any participation there is bound to come back and bite you. I'd prefer to be a lone Wolf and stay clear, rather than end up in the doghouse.

Fixed that for you.

Fuhrer

mcratsix wrote: »

Am I the only one that doesn't rate Khedira at all? I'd take Strootman, Vidal, Carvalho, verrati or even de Jong over Khedira

Saying hes not as good as those players isnt exactly saying hes ****

GSPfan

Fuhrer wrote: »

Saying hes not as good as those players isnt exactly saying hes ****

Which he didn't.

Donnielighto

redbaron_99 wrote: »

For what?

replied to chucky who took a swipe at utd, both got reds.

kryo actually had the next post too where he made a comment about threads getting derailed. wouldnt normally be a red but there was a mod warning 1 or 2 pages back i think. chucky got what he wanted, infer from that what you will, but at least he picked up a red too.

Pro. F

DM-ICE wrote: »

Sorry to be a bollocks but you surprise me here, you have very high standards for a midfield player, specifically touch but for a striker it sounds like good enough is sufficient. Hernandez is miles behind van Persie so should that not mean Robin is the one that we would want United to have/play and as he is better Chica really isn't good enough at all?

Nah, you're not being a bollocks. It's true, I think the requirements for first touch are more demanding for a CM than a CF. It comes from the fact that, imo, the part of the CM's job that requires touch and control is more important and more difficult than for a CF.

CFs do need to control the ball, but a lot of that can be done by knocking it into the right spaces, either for a shot, a risky first time pass or a race with the a defender. Those spaces don't exist in the middle of the park. CFs also have to hold the ball up, but in that job backwards passes are not a problem. There's also much less trouble caused when CFs give the ball away than when CMs do it, so that relative lack of control can be tolerated if they're good at other things.

I agree that RVP is a much better striker than Hernandez all things considered anyway. However, I think Chico did enough to earn the starting spot in his first season at the club, we should have made better use of him after that imo. I do think he's good enough to be a starter for a top club.

Donnielighto

Pro. F wrote: »

Nah, you're not being a bollocks. It's true, I think the requirements for first touch are more demanding for a CM than a CF. It comes from the fact that, imo, the part of the CM's job that requires touch and control is more important and more difficult than for a CF.

CFs do need to control the ball, but a lot of that can be done by knocking it into the right spaces, either for a shot, a risky first time pass or a race with the a defender. Those spaces don't exist in the middle of the park. CFs also have to hold the ball up, but in that job backwards passes are not a problem. There's also much less trouble caused when CFs give the ball away than when CMs do it, so that relative lack of control can be tolerated if they're good at other things.

I agree that RVP is a much better striker than Hernandez all things considered anyway. However, I think Chico did enough to earn the starting spot in his first season at the club, we should have made better use of him after that imo. I do think he's good enough to be a starter for a top club.

As a lone frontman? I think he does best with players close to him or else seriously annoying wingers, lads who'll get ball, clean or dirty into the box.

Pro. F

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Which is still more then what you provided.

True. But I haven't put forward any theory about there being a difference between how often those two strikers score when they're having off days.

The few games you've mentioned when RVP scored, while he was having a quiet game, aren't anything like convincing evidence. You could just as easily point to as many games, or more, when RVP was having an off day and didn't score.

OdgeXD

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Have to agree that Neuer is an immense keeper. However, De Gea is probably the best young keeper in the world and has 5 years to catch up where Neuer is now. De Gea has markedly improve in every field in the last few years as well as being probably the best shot stopper in the world. Neuer has something that De Gea doesn't have yet- presence in the goal and over the defence and an ability to read the field with near 100% accuracy.

Honestly I think you're overrating De Gea a bit, sure he's a great young goalkeeper but he's not really near the level of Courtois. Calling him the best shot stopper in the world is a bit premature too, give him a few years.

Donnielighto

OdgeXD wrote: »

Honestly I think you're overrating De Gea a bit, sure he's a great young goalkeeper but he's not really near the level of Courtois. Calling him the best shot stopper in the world is a bit premature too, give him a few years.

courtois is good, but he's not carling

Pro. F

Donnielighto wrote: »

As a lone frontman? I think he does best with players close to him or else seriously annoying wingers, lads who'll get ball, clean or dirty into the box.

Rooney and Hernandez was a really good partnership. Seemed to work well for both of them.

Rubber_Soul

Better look at the new home kit via reddit

GSPfan

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Better look at the new home kit via reddit

Honestly think thats the laziest looking design i've ever seen. That logo is awful too.

J. Marston

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Better look at the new home kit via reddit

I like it. Simple design and the gold logo is much smaller than I first thought it was going to be.

The button collar looks a bit out of place but it's a nice jersey. Almost tempted to get it, would be my first United shirt in years.

GSPfan

Just seen a similar picture in the new kit thread and the button is red not black so which one is a fake? Still the same general design though. Still crap.

Mikeyt086

Has nobody mentioned that the above jersey is just Man City's jersey from last year in red with a ****ing crap collar added to it? Very lazy from Nike.

DARK-KNIGHT

photos too big... making me not want jersey

jambofc

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