National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

The Cush · 01-11-2020 9:24am

Article in today's SBP, Two state aid complaints lodged against National Broadband Plan

One of the complainants is understood to be an existing broadband operator angered by the government’s failure to take its own network into account

The state's multibillion-euro National Broadband Plan is the subject of two state aid complaints lodged with the European Commission, the Business Post can reveal.

It is understood one complaint centres, in part, on the mapping exercise conducted by the Department of Communications to determine the areas in which the subsidised broadband network would be deployed.

A source said the complainant was an existing broadband operator, which is is believed to have complained over...

clohamon · 01-11-2020 10:11am

beya2009 wrote: »

But when I used our neighbors eircode that are next to us although their house much closer to the newline road where as ours due to very long avenue is not. They had 2 options available:
VDSL Broadband (up to 100 Mbit/s) - Please check with our sales team or check.
Fibre to the Home (150-1000 Mbit/s) - Available

Seems unlikely that you would have been included in the Eircom 300K (FTTH) concession back in April 2017 because that only extended 50M from the centreline of the road.

And unlikely that Eircom would have volunteered to connect your house since then, seeing as it's 200M from the road - and expensive to do. So it's a mystery how the blue area was ever extended to your home.

clohamon · 01-11-2020 10:21am

The Cush wrote: »

Article in today's SNP, Two state aid complaints lodged against National Broadband Plan

Hard to see how they can make progress. The Commission would have to review all the mapping data and come to a different conclusion than the Department/Analysys Mason.

If complainants hadn't supplied requested data to the Department, they'd be on shaky ground.

btw the Lighthouse/Lightnet case is still bumbling along in the High Court also. Due for mention again on 8th of December.

The Cush · 01-11-2020 10:44am

clohamon wrote: »

btw the Lighthouse/Lightnet case is still bumbling along in the High Court also. Due for mention again on 8th of December.

Can you briefly outline what the issue is here, hadn't followed the case.

clohamon · 01-11-2020 11:04am

The Cush wrote: »

Can you briefly outline what the issue is here, hadn't followed the case.

It's the same thing - exclusion/mapping and that the Department failed to show up for a meeting.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30982275.html

Falconire · 01-11-2020 2:35pm

clohamon wrote: »

It's the same thing - exclusion/mapping and that the Department failed to show up for a meeting.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30982275.html

I live in a area covered by Lightnet and speaking to some of my neighbours who have them they are all complaining of very bad speeds and service.

ACitizenErased · 01-11-2020 3:03pm

Just speaking to my neighbours, they’ve spotted the crews installing some sort of cable in Rochestown, Cork.

fergus1001 · 01-11-2020 4:22pm

Falconire wrote:

I live in a area covered by Lightnet and speaking to some of my neighbours who have them they are all complaining of very bad speeds and service.

yeah it's just the usual "please dont take away our monopoly" grievance

SkepticQuark · 01-11-2020 5:07pm

"One of the complainants is understood to be an existing broadband operator angered by the government’s failure to take its own network into account"

Imagine?

GerardKeating · 01-11-2020 5:52pm

Falconire wrote: »

I live in a area covered by Lightnet and speaking to some of my neighbours who have them they are all complaining of very bad speeds and service.

Am a happy Lightnet customers for more that ten years, a few neighbours also have it, now of course it is not as fast a getting fibre into the house, but it's a good service.

Ardent · 01-11-2020 6:30pm

SkepticQuark wrote: »

"One of the complainants is understood to be an existing broadband operator angered by the government’s failure to take its own network into account"

Imagine?

You can bet your bottom dollar.

beya2009 · 01-11-2020 11:53pm

clohamon wrote: »

Seems unlikely that you would have been included in the Eircom 300K (FTTH) concession back in April 2017 because that only extended 50M from the centreline of the road.

And unlikely that Eircom would have volunteered to connect your house since then, seeing as it's 200M from the road - and expensive to do. So it's a mystery how the blue area was ever extended to your home.

Yeah that's unlucky for us...if our home was much closer to the road we might be in luck. I will make contact to those providers you mentioned and hopefully we get lucky. Satellite broadband really sucks lol Thank you for all your help:)

The Cush · 03-11-2020 9:01am

The Cush wrote: »

NBI has published its Bitstream and VUA Technical Manual - https://nbi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/NBI-Bitstream-and-VUA-Product-Technical-Manual-v1.1.1.pdf

The ONT they are using is a Nokia XS-010X-A

NBI has published a revised version of its Bitstream and VUA Technical Manual - https://nbi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/NBI-Bitstream-and-VUA-Product-Technical-Manual-v2.0_CLEAN.pdf

Revised Nokia XS-010X-Q ONT with technical specs

ONT Technical Specification

Nokia XS-010X-Q

Physical (Height, width, and length dimensions)
• Height: 3.0 cm (1.18 in)
• Width: 13.5 cm (5.31 in)
• Length: 13.5 cm (5.31 in)
• Weight: 0.366kg (0.81 lb)

Power requirements
• 12 VDC /1A
• Power consumption: <8.6 W

Operating environment
• Temperature (ambient): -5°C to 45°C (23°F to 113°F)
• Relative humidity: 5% to 95%, non-condensing

XGS PON uplinks
• Wavelength: 1260 nm–1280 nm upstream; 1575 nm–1580 nm downstream
• G.9807.1 XGS PON standards compliant: 4 dBm ~ 9 dBm launch power; -28 dBm ~ -9 dBm for receiving
• SC/APC connector
• 10G burst mode upstream transmitter
• 10G downstream receiver
• G.9807.1-compliant 10 GPON Encapsulation Method (XGEM) framing
• Flexible mapping between XGEM ports and T-CONT
• Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) 128
• Forward Error Correction (FEC)
• Activation with automatic discovered serial number and password

Ethernet interfaces
• One LAN 100 M/1 G/2.5 G/5 G/10 G Base-T interface with RJ-45 connector
• Ethernet port auto-negotiation or manual configuration with Medium Dependent Interface / Medium Dependent Interface Crossover (MDI/ MDIX)
• Virtual switch based on IEEE 802.1Q Virtual LAN (VLAN)
• VLAN stacking (Q-in-Q) and VLAN translation
• CoS based on VLAN ID, 802.1p bit
• IGMP v2/v3 snooping

Operations, administration, and maintenance (OA&M)
• Standard compliant OMCI (the embedded operations channel) interface as defined by ITU-T G.984.4 and ITU-T G.988
• Supports local WebGUI for the ONU authentication password configuration from the LAN side
• Management Information Base (MIB) manipulation over OMCI with create, delete, set, get, and get next commands
• Alarm reporting and performance monitoring
• Remote software image download over OMCI, as well as activation and rebooting
• Supports Subscriber Line Identifier (SLID) using WebGUI

LEDs
• Power
• PON
• Alarm
• Data

RJ-45 LEDs
• Mode/Status
• Link/Carrier

Atomic Pineapple · 03-11-2020 5:02pm

SkepticQuark wrote: »

Imagine?

Ardent wrote: »

You can bet your bottom dollar.

Can't exactly take their mapping into account, they continue to say our house is supplied by their network despite them coming out here and confirming it hasn't even the faintest of signal at our location.

TheSegal · 03-11-2020 5:30pm

Hopefully we'll all see Imagine and they're shady business practices slowly disappear over the coming years. I'm also hoping that Lightnet does not mess up my chances at getting a connection in my area with all of their anti-competitive whinging. I'm all for competition to help consumers but what they do is not friendly to any consumers

db · 04-11-2020 6:09pm

NBI van in Clonlara (near Limerick) today.

Wing126 · 04-11-2020 6:23pm

Surveying underway in Meath from what I can see. At least my area is being surveyed.

Tentative date is January-March 2022

Nolars · 04-11-2020 6:40pm

Are we doing bets for the date of the first speed test from a boardsie. I'll say 25th Nov.

TheSegal · 04-11-2020 7:28pm

Nolars wrote: »

Are we doing bets for the date of the first speed test from a boardsie. I'll say 25th Nov.

Do you know something we don't!? I really hope you do! I'm going to be less optimistic and say around the 10th of January

joe123 · 04-11-2020 7:56pm

Is this the second batch of areas for Limerick? Thought Limerick already was surveyed in the initial phase.

https://twitter.com/NatBroadbandIrl/status/1323735713695805441

How many counties are left without surveying now?

Nolars · 04-11-2020 8:05pm

TheSegal wrote:

Do you know something we don't!? I really hope you do! I'm going to be less optimistic and say around the 10th of January

No im down for dec - Feb so just hoping they are on the ball tbh

The Cush · 04-11-2020 8:07pm

joe123 wrote: »

Is this the second batch of areas for Limerick? Thought Limerick already was surveyed in the initial phase.

The outskirts of Limerick city was done earlier this year, I saw vans around the Annacotty area to name but one.

baz9375 · 05-11-2020 9:04am

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/first-fibre-to-home-connections-under-broadband-plan-to-be-available-this-year-1.4400438

clohamon · 05-11-2020 10:59am

baz9375 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/first-fibre-to-home-connections-under-broadband-plan-to-be-available-this-year-1.4400438

He said: “I would be very confident that it does meet all State aid requirements. There was a clear market gap, a real difficulty in terms of certain areas of the country not getting it, the market not delivering.
“People are entitled to take any cases they like to the EU commission, but I don’t see it stopping us. I don’t expect it [will] and hopefully it won’t affect the rollout of the plan.”

There's usually a period within which the complaint must be recognised or not by the Commission. Interesting to know when the complaints were actually made.

TimHorton · 05-11-2020 1:34pm

clohamon wrote: »

There's usually a period within which the complaint must be recognised or not by the Commission. Interesting to know when the complaints were actually made.

Dail hearing the whole thing on the ground is a shambles, Surveying incorrect and 80 % of Sub Contractors walking away.

df02169 · 05-11-2020 1:43pm

Wing126 wrote: »

Surveying underway in Meath from what I can see. At least my area is being surveyed.

Tentative date is January-March 2022

Where in Meath are you?

Wing126 · 05-11-2020 2:27pm

df02169 wrote: »

Where in Meath are you?

Julianstown area!

TheSegal · 05-11-2020 2:53pm

TimHorton wrote: »

Dail hearing the whole thing on the ground is a shambles, Surveying incorrect and 80 % of Sub Contractors walking away.

80% of contractors walking away from the NBP or am I missing something?

joe123 · 05-11-2020 3:03pm

TimHorton wrote: »

Dail hearing the whole thing on the ground is a shambles, Surveying incorrect and 80 % of Sub Contractors walking away.

What? 80% of sub contractors walking away and surveys being incorrect? This sounds a bit mental. Where did you hear this?

TimHorton · 05-11-2020 3:24pm

joe123 wrote: »

What? 80% of sub contractors walking away and surveys being incorrect? This sounds a bit mental. Where did you hear this?

https://twitter.com/rtetwip/status/1324329361256910848?s=20

Now
@MichaelFitzmau1
raising broadband Said there have been stand offs with people who put up poles Said 80% of contractors gone off site cos surveys are wrong. Asks what gov doing to ensure oversight Says main contract is being subbed down and down again #leadersquestions

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