Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there'll be less overall with restrictions in place than without, so ...

gradual lifting starting on 5th of May is the way to go

Hopefully yes, I have no problem with that.

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

normanoffside wrote: »

The nursing home scandal will turn out to be a massive stain on Leo and Simon.
They were looking in the wrong place for the virus (similar to Bandit Luke looking at the sweat left by joggers on the footpaths).

People would criticize them if they prioritised nursing homes over hospitals too tbf. There was a finite amount of ppe and testing resources. Seems understandable to me to prioritize those with a higher chance of survival. Might be **** but that's life

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

Just a reminder that there are zero cases of spread in an outdoor environment according to one big study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

The insistence on blaming people going outside is just a tactic to cover up government failure in controlling spread in places they should have been controlling.

titan18 wrote: »

People would criticize them if they prioritised nursing homes over hospitals too tbf. There was a finite amount of ppe and testing resources. Seems understandable to me to prioritize those with a higher chance of survival. Might be **** but that's life

Totally agree, some people think they know all while criticising everything from a keyboard...It takes all sorts to make a world.

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that Varadkar, Harris, the CMO and RTÉ are speaking to the nation like we are all fcuking simpleton lemmings. If I hear one of them bleat about “staying the course” or “stay at home” one more time, I swear....

I’m very weary of it. It’s only been 6-7 weeks but it feels like it’s been 6 months. I think the message they are feebly trying to bat us over the head with is rapidly losing meaning. I didn’t see tonight’s CMO conference but Tony was completely ridiculous lastnight. R0 down to near zero. No spread in community for 2 last weeks. Yet he’s speaking to us like some disapproving school teacher, that we’re still on “detention”.

The media, including our national broadcaster are putting their own convenient spin on it. Here in the West of Ireland we’ve had the most miserable fcuking 6-7 months of endless rain and storm after storm. The lockdown just happens to coincide with a long overdue decent spell of sunshine. Quelle surprise. People are out and about enjoying the sunshine. Yet this is being reported like the people doing so are villainous cretins. It’s completely ludicrous, a spin to suit an agenda.

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community. What I am worried about is, what’s going to be left to go back to when this spineless government finally relent and let people get back to their livelihoods. Or what’s left of them.

They are talking to people like simpletons because they have to make sure they are getting to everyone. It looks like some (yourself includes) this is serious. It has killed over a thousand people in only 3 months. At that is with the restrictions. What do you think it be like if they say f it just open it back up. Your last paragraph is the reason we might have this lockdown longer

I dont get you bit of the surprise of a lockdown during good weather. Are you suggesting they manufactured it this way. That is some conspiratorial stuff

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

For some unknown reason Ryan Tubridys incessant stay at home you fools s##te is boiling my pi##. Im sure 500k a year means hes not thinking towards his mortgage payments in Summer, so hes in no position to judge any normal folk

Does he not appear to have got the most mildest case of the virus ever? He literally was back on that late late sh*t show two weeks later.

I expected and hoped for easing restrictions on May 5th but at this point I think the lockdown is likely to continue for another couple of weeks and would agree with that outcome.
The numbers haven't dropped quick enough and I think the goal from all this should be to ensure that this is the one and only lockdown, with the information we have on reoccurences in places like Singapore I think it's fair to say that if we re-open soon we're going to wind up in a state of flux bouncing between open and lockdown for the rest of the year which would be a horrible situation.

Patience from everyone and locking down May and I think we'll see the path back to something resembling normality in June.

martingriff wrote: »

So who would you listen to. Maybe if we get someone of the families that died or the families of those who are still in ICU. Maybe Mary Lou might actually make you think though she probably does not have to think of her mortgage like Tubridy

We implemented restrictions to lower the Ro. We have achieved that. Thays all we were asked to do. Staying at home is now doing more damage. This is not a death sentence. 0.1% of those over 65 are at risk.
Every death is a tragedy. And before Covid every death is a tragedy. And after Covid every death will be a tragedy. But the world doesnt stop as per W.H Auden.

JoeA3 wrote: »

Eh what?
I think my post sailed over your head Martin.

Nope because this is when I stopped reading your post waffle.

JoeA3 wrote: »

I honestly feel that

titan18 wrote: »

There were articles saying we didn't have enough PPE in hospitals. How would spreading that amount amongst more people have been done?

Nursing homes were complaining nurses were being recruited by HSE. Where would the extra nurses have come from if we didn't do that?

There was huge backlogs in testing at the start. How would we have tested more people when we already couldn't test fast enough?

The ban on healthy people going out was so we wouldn't overwhelm hospitals. If we let people out and didn't close pubs, or reduce the reproductive rate, how would our hospitals cope with more cases along with the idiots in a&e cos they're drunk.

As it is with the first set of restrictions before pubs closed, we had temple bar and other pubs packed, we had people flocking to beaches and parks. If our population could be responsible adults, it'd have been grand but there's far too many idiots here to leave things go. Even now cos we haven't enforced fines etc people are taking the piss.

You shouldn't bother because all his waffle is based on what he's learning from the CMO and Varadkar as opposed to his own analysis in early March...as I said some people are only good at typing from a keyboard :pac:

martingriff wrote: »

The paragraph about the good weather I admit I got wrong did not read it properly but the first bit I dont think so

No.
They’ve admitted it’s not in the community. R0 close to zero. No community spread in a fortnight. We’ve done all we can do and now they’re moving the goalposts because they’re still flappping around, deferring real decisions for more weeks. Harris is probably reading up Wikipedia on the previous 18 Covids....

All this bleating about people becoming complacent and “stay the course” is a smokescreen for their complete cock ups in nursing homes, farcical testing cock ups and the PPE equipment fiasco.

JoeA3 wrote: »

No.
They’ve admitted it’s not in the community. R0 close to zero. No community spread in a fortnight. We’ve done all we can do and now they’re moving the goalposts because they’re still flappping around, deferring real decisions for more weeks. Harris is probably reading up Wikipedia on the previous 18 Covids....

All this bleating about people becoming complacent and “stay the course” is a smokescreen for their complete cock ups in nursing homes, farcical testing cock ups and the PPE equipment fiasco.

'community transmission' means that they don't know how the patient aquired the disease. theres still transmission outside of care homes, we need restrictions in place to keep this transmission low, otherwise it will just take off exponentially again...

It’s clear I’m not alone in this, judging by this thread and what I see all around me every day, particularly the last few days. Honestly I probably was a bit nervous about it all for about a week but it’s long since passed. I’m not worried about the virus. I don’t feel threatened by it. I don’t perceive it to be a threat at all in my community.

and thats why we need the restrictions