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South Africa v Ireland, Match Thread

  • 10-06-2016 10:48pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,251 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


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    Kick off at 4PM BST. Live on Sky Sports 1HD from 3:30PM and live radio commentary on RTE 1.

    Intro. Thank God for summer tours. Thank God for more rugby, thank God for something to do on muggy Saturday afternoons and thank God for something to do instead of having to pass the time watching Albano versus Swinelund in the soccerball.

    After a few soft touch trips to the Americas, Ireland have taken the chance to tour South Africa for the first time in 12 years. For Irish Rugby it has been a hard year for the professional teams and on the surface it also appears to be a harder ending. JC has brought what is on paper a weakened squad with him this time round but it is a squad that is patched up with players who are well able for it and who badly need a chance to play good rugby against good opposition. The host are approaching the series under new coach Allister Coetzee and they have a lot to prove as well.

    The teams.
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    South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Faf de Klerk; 1 Tendai Mtawarira, 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), 3 Frans Malherbe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 5 Lood de Jager, 6 Francois Louw, 7 Siya Kolisi, 8 Duane Vermuelen.

    Replacements: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Julian Redelinghuys, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Warren Whiteley, 21 Rudy Paige 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Jesse Kriel

    While the Irish team is probably as expected player wise, the selection of Henshaw at 13 and Payne at 15 are two that are eagerly anticipated by many pub coaches. Paddy Jackson is justly preferred at 10 to Monseigneur Madigan; Mike Ross and Jack McGrath are beefy props for the job while the selection of Jordi Murphy at open side could well be the Leinster mans chance to sink or swim, as well as being the one area where the Irish pack could well be showing a level of weakness.
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    The home team have a fresh look on a strong team with Faf de Klerk making his his first cap at scrum half. Duane Vermeulen comes in at the back row after a kerfuffle with Toulon almost scuppered his tour while, a few Afrikaan eyebrows were raised when Lionel Mapoe was selected at outside centre.
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    Verdict. After an 11 month season that flattered to deceive in the main and with a weaker squad, Ireland may be on a hiding to nothing this time round. However, the call up's are all very capable players and are well able to deliver the goods on the day. Still, it is a Springbok team who are eager to please and who are coming into things fairly fresh and they should have enough to win and win in reasonable comfort. I say the host in the region of 32-18 and for Henshaw to insure his laptop this time round as he won't be fighting the Mcdonagh's this time round ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    I say the host in the region of 32-18 and for Henshaw to insure his laptop this time round as he won't be fighting the Mcdonagh's this time round ;)

    Unfortunately for Henshaw he won't have the guards to rescue him this time round :pac:

    I think South Africa by 15-20pts unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,251 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    WarZ wrote: »
    Unfortunately for Henshaw he won't have the guards Bundee Aki rescue him this time round

    Fixed your post :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 609 ✭✭✭English Lurker


    Is that JC referring to Schmidt, and is that a typo or have you guys promoted him to a messianic nickname? ;)

    I like how in the mugshots only Henderson, Stander and Henshaw are smiling.

    That aside, that's not a scary South African team. Its easy to say from my position but injury and time have stripped away a lot of mainstays. Okay, the locks are mutant, Thor is well nicknamed, the backs are fast... but how many of those players have genuinely stamped themselves on the international game as top class players over the last few years. Strauss? Le Roux when not brain farting? New coach, new ideas; its a perfect opportunity to catch them cold.

    Maybe it won't happen, what with the injuries and everything, but I think there's a case for optimism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Some magical day of rugby ahead of us eh?

    A shame we're only playing the barely-above-basic-bokke but I think Japan were busy. Here's to a great day of rugby though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Good write up although was JC a typo or deliberate?!!!!!

    I'm a bit more confident to be honest. I make SA favourites as they have an edge in the tight 5 but there isn't much between the rest of the sides (on paper anyway).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    It's a bit weird. There are very people on this forum (including myself), who have watched enough of the SA Super Rugby sides to genuinely be able to evaluate the Boks.

    In fact I've noticed generally that the NH knows little about the SH players and vice versa.

    A lot of people just guess based on history and clichés.

    Helps makes this game intriguing. I have seen a bit of the Lions this year, and there style is the most "Kiwi" of the SA Super Rugby sides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    There are very few people on this forum (including myself), who have watched enough of the SA Super Rugby sides to genuinely be able to evaluate the Boks.

    Why would you subject yourself to such misery on a standard weekend with so many options available to you? Especially given the timezone conflicts with the far superior stuff on display in the Pro 12


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭astonaidan


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    It's a bit weird. There are very people on this forum (including myself), who have watched enough of the SA Super Rugby sides to genuinely be able to evaluate the Boks.

    In fact I've noticed generally that the NH knows little about the SH players and vice versa.

    A lot of people just guess based on history and clichés.

    Helps makes this game intriguing. I have seen a bit of the Lions this year, and there style is the most "Kiwi" of the SA Super Rugby sides.

    Because if you peddle out the cliches you can look knowledgeable to the mass, George Hook made a living out of it :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭DGRulz


    First time, possibly ever, I won't be watching an Ireland game live but sadly the RSA gave me a time just before kickoff for my driving test.

    Should hopefully be a cracker and it'll be interesting to see how much South African conditions affect our guys. Reckon this game might be make or break for a lot of reasons. It's our best chance to catch them in the hop abd perhaps get under their skin for next week.

    Should we lose you have to feel Joe will want to revert to Henshaw Payne in the midfield and that will leave us with TOH at FB which could make matters worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    DGRulz wrote: »
    First time, possibly ever, I won't be watching an Ireland game live but sadly the RSA gave me a time just before kickoff for my driving test.

    Turn the radio on to the match commentary during the test. When Michael Corcoran starts to get excited step on the accelerator. If SA score a try make an emergency stop and thump the steering wheel. When Ireland score a try honk the horn to the tempo of Ireland's Call. The tester is bound to be a rugby fan - he won't care and you'll pass with flying colours!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Turn the radio on to the match commentary during the test. When Michael Corcoran starts to get excited step on the accelerator. If SA score a try make an emergency stop and thump the steering wheel. When Ireland score a try honk the horn to the tempo of Ireland's Call. The tester is bound to be a rugby fan - he won't care and you'll pass with flying colours!

    "Tremengous use of the emergency brakes"


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Just put a twenty quid on, that Bok backline is one dimensional, if its a tough aerial battle we have the better kick chasers, if its a running bosh game, we have the better boshers in our backline. Schmidt better have done his homework, show his worth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,251 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Turn the radio on to the match commentary during the test. When Michael Corcoran starts to get excited step on the accelerator. If SA score a try make an emergency stop and thump the steering wheel. When Ireland score a try honk the horn to the tempo of Ireland's Call. The tester is bound to be a rugby fan - he won't care and you'll pass with flying colours!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,251 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    bilston wrote: »
    Good write up although was JC a typo or deliberate?!!!!!

    I'm a bit more confident to be honest. I make SA favourites as they have an edge in the tight 5 but there isn't much between the rest of the sides (on paper anyway).

    It was deliberate, same way that I spell Connacht Connaught.

    Or is that the other way around? Ah well :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Goes to show what a good coach can do, E Jones' England wiping the Floor with Australia, in Australia.

    If we don't win this Series, Lam should be replacing Schmidt, who in turn can be demoted to Connacht.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    It's utterly bizarre that all the posters calling for Joe's head are from Munster. Sad really.

    This ends here. Do not bring provincial BS into the thread. That goes for everyone who might be tempted to respond as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    It's utterly bizarre that all the posters calling for Joe's head are from Munster. Sad really.

    Forget where people are from, and focus on the playing style and results.

    Lam took a bunch of no hopers to title winners, demolishing Leinster in the final. If we hadn't a great replacement I could excuse the inertia, but we have.

    Now, I could see why Connacht would feel short changed, but c'est la vie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Goes to show what a good coach can do, E Jones' England wiping the Floor with Australia, in Australia.

    If we don't win this Series, Lam should be replacing Schmidt, who in turn can be demoted to Connacht.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Forget where people are from, and focus on the playing style and results.

    Lam took a bunch of no hopers to title winners, demolishing Leinster in the final. If we hadn't a great replacement I could excuse the inertia, but we have.

    Now, I could see why Connacht would feel short changed, but c'est la vie.

    If people did actually focus on results, none of these ludicrous posts would be happening.

    They don't though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    I actually think discussing the racial quota in SA would be less heated than some of the provincial sh!te in here


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    If people did actually focus on results, none of these ludicrous posts would be happening.

    They don't though.

    Well as I said in the initial post, let's see what we can do in these Tests. And no excuses. Unfortunately, they've all been used up.... long ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Goes to show what a good coach can do, E Jones' England wiping the Floor with Australia, in Australia.

    If we don't win this Series, Lam should be replacing Schmidt, who in turn can be demoted to Connacht.

    I resume my pen, in reply to the curious epistle you have been pleased to favor me with, and can assure you ... it has been the source of abundant merriment to me. The spirit that breathes throughout is so rancorous, illiberal, and imperious; the argumentative part of it is so puerile and fallacious; the misrepresentation of facts so palpable and flagrant; the criticisms so illiterate, trifling, and absurd; the conceits so low, sterile, and splenetic, that I will venture to pronounce it one of the most ludicrous performances which has been exhibited to public view during all the present controversy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Well as I said in the initial post, let's see what we can do in these Tests. And no excuses. Unfortunately, they've all been used up.... long ago.

    Long ago was it? Were they used up during Schmidt's Heineken Cup wins? Or was it during his first 2 Championships?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Well as I said in the initial post, let's see what we can do in these Tests. And no excuses. Unfortunately, they've all been used up.... long ago.

    Look, people like you are welcome to love the flavour of the week but just know that anyone with a brain will think it's patently ridiculous.

    What was the last year Joe Schmidt went without winning a trophy? 2009. That's a lifetime ago in sport. You don't drop your coach after one middling season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Well as I said in the initial post, let's see what we can do in these Tests. And no excuses. Unfortunately, they've all been used up.... long ago.

    Ugh. I'm disgusted with myself for engaging with this shyte. Snared again.

    Enjoy your afternoon of cheering on your country's opponents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Thank feck there is only an hour and a half to KO.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I think we're going to win anyway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Felix Jones is God


    Why don't ye watch the wolf puppies kicking ass instead?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭PMBC


    Is it on terrestrial?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Teferi wrote: »
    Look, people like you are welcome to love the flavour of the week but just know that anyone with a brain will think it's patently ridiculous.

    What was the last year Joe Schmidt went without winning a trophy? 2009. That's a lifetime ago in sport. You don't drop your coach after one middling season.

    Forget about trophies, the rugby we play has been "middling" for the vast majority of Schmidts tenure, win or lose. We are consistently not a nice team to watch.

    For the record I think we can beat this Boks team playing Schmidtball, but I also think we could beat them by playing, passing and offloading.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Felix Jones is God


    PMBC wrote: »
    Is it on terrestrial?

    Wolf pups on TG4 now
    The SAv Irl game no, only sky


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I think we're going to win anyway

    The boks are probably the 1 side from the SH that we can and should beat right now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 The Dragon Reborn


    Rightwing wrote: »
    The boks are probably the 1 side from the SH that we can and should beat right now.

    Should might be a bit strong, but no way we should fear them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Should might be a bit strong, but no way we should fear them

    Agreed, the 1/9 odds for a home win seem way too far out to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Rightwing wrote: »
    The boks are probably the 1 side from the SH that we can and should beat right now.

    Ah here. We'd surely beat Namibia too!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Forget about trophies

    Good lord, why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Ah here. We'd surely beat Namibia too!

    I admire your confidence. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Buer wrote: »
    Good lord, why?

    In terms of framing things, how we are playing etc, we are a consistent team in the manner in which we go about things, we are never truly dire or truly awesome. Im not going to say we are playing brilliantly because we won a trophy, nor am I going to call for Schmidts head because we didnt win and are playing the same stuff that won us trophies, only that, without the glint of silverware, its unwatchable.

    Schmidt won us two 6N playing a certain style of rugby, the rest of the world moved on and we flopped horrendously at the WC and last 6N, this Boks team are on a platter, if we dont beat them, we are on a terminal trajectory as regards Schmidtball and its obvious diminishing returns. Harking back to the two trophies we won playing that way is madness, the game has moved on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    In terms of framing things, how we are playing etc, we are a consistent team in the manner in which we go about things, we are never truly dire or truly awesome. Im not going to say we are playing brilliantly because we won a trophy, nor am I going to call for Schmidts head because we didnt win and are playing the same stuff that won us trophies, only that, without the glint of silverware, its unwatchable.

    Schmidt won us two 6N playing a certain style of rugby, the rest of the world moved on and we flopped horrendously at the WC and last 6N, this Boks team are on a platter, if we dont beat them, we are on a terminal trajectory as regards Schmidtball and its obvious diminishing returns. Harking back to the two trophies we won playing that way is madness, the game has moved on.

    Spot on.
    TG4 worth watching the ABs in big, big trouble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    We actually played the 2 6 nations we won under Joe very differently, and again this year. So I'm not sure the 'we play a certain way' argument is correct.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Can't wait for this now.
    If we do lose this I think it won't be by more than a score.

    Hawan de lads!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    DGRulz wrote: »
    First time, possibly ever, I won't be watching an Ireland game live but sadly the RSA gave me a time just before kickoff for my driving test.

    Should hopefully be a cracker and it'll be interesting to see how much South African conditions affect our guys. Reckon this game might be make or break for a lot of reasons. It's our best chance to catch them in the hop abd perhaps get under their skin for next week.

    Should we lose you have to feel Joe will want to revert to Henshaw Payne in the midfield and that will leave us with TOH at FB which could make matters worse.

    The Republic of South Africa fixed your driving test time si we'd be without an important fan? Is there nothing they won't stoop to?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Teferi wrote: »
    We actually played the 2 6 nations we won under Joe very differently, and again this year. So I'm not sure the 'we play a certain way' argument is correct.

    It's nonsense. We've played differently in all 3 seasons but sure why should we let facts get in the way of a good bit of axe swinging?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Agreed, the 1/9 odds for a home win seem way too far out to me.

    You'll never see a bookie driving a bad car....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭Mahatma Geansai


    molloyjh wrote: »
    It's nonsense. We've played differently in all 3 seasons but sure why should we let facts get in the way of a good bit of axe swinging?

    Eddie O'Sullivan disagrees. The only posters who appear to think that we've been playing wildly different under Schmidt are are subscribed members of the St. Joe fanclub.

    We will need to see significant development over the course of the remainder of the season if we're to get any wins under our belt. I've full faith that Schmidt can be the man to bring us forward, but we need to see progress.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Forget about trophies, the rugby we play has been "middling" for the vast majority of Schmidts tenure, win or lose. We are consistently not a nice team to watch.

    For the record I think we can beat this Boks team playing Schmidtball, but I also think we could beat them by playing, passing and offloading.

    Won't somebody think of the offloads!?

    This obsession with off loads is getting really tiresome. It's insane how people can't be happy with anything but constant perfection here. Can you not just get behind your team and stop sh***ing all over them? At least in a match day thread if not in general?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Eddie O'Sullivan disagrees. The only posters who appear to think that we've been playing wildly different under Schmidt are are subscribed members of the St. Joe fanclub.

    We will need to see significant development over the course of the remainder of the season if we're to get any wins under our belt. I've full faith that Schmidt can be the man to bring us forward, but we need to see progress.

    Actually Eddie never spoke about us playing 1 single way for 3 yeas at all you're just making that up. Or lying.

    But if what Eddie said is so important maybe you should note that he refused to knock Joe over selections. I'm sure you'll refrain from that in future now yourself?

    Ireland are playing a match today. This is the match thread. Is there any chance you and your ilk can stop your whining and endless negativity and get behind the lads ahead of kick off?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭LostArt


    Looking forward to this now, in hope rather than expectation! Backed us +15 on the handicap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Seriously. St Joe fanclub, Schmidtlings, Schmidt out-brigade etc. It's impossible to have reasonable discussion when posters throw around passive aggressive labels like these.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Eddie O'Sullivan disagrees. The only posters who appear to think that we've been playing wildly different under Schmidt are are subscribed members of the St. Joe fanclub.

    Shit like this, shmidtlings etc. just shows that these posters don't want to debate, all they want to do is cause hassle. It's pathetic tbh.


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