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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #5102
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,783 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Khabib to me if he could ever stay healthy long enough would probably hold that belt a long long time, IT's too bad he's made of glass, chap always seems to be injured


  • #5103
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Khabib to me if he could ever stay healthy long enough would probably hold that belt a long long time, IT's too bad he's made of glass, chap always seems to be injured

    an elite wrestler with decent striking and khabib will be shown up completely...*cough*tony ferguson*cough*


  • #5104
    martyos121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,545 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    I'm definitely on board the Khabib hype train, he'd man-handle any wrestler put in front of him IMO, best grappler in the sport. Not much of a striker of course, he's comparable to Brock Lesnar in a weird way actually, but much more well-rounded.


  • #5105
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Depp wrote: »
    an elite wrestler with decent striking and khabib will be shown up completely...*cough*tony ferguson*cough*

    Yeah, I think any high level sprawl and brawler would give him serious problems, and I think Ferguson would have tuned him up if he hadn't gotten injured.

    I think he could do with fighting a top 10 fighter before he goes for a title shot to get rid of ring rust, all due respect to Horcher, he's a low level guy.


  • #5106
    Devastator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    Can I just say, I fcuking hate Khabib and don't understand how any of you can like him :eek::D


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  • #5107
    The Rooster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Ireland have a no double tax agreement so the us get nothing if he is taxed here. No mateer what way you look at it, he's well richer than all of us here combined

    Its works the opposite way.

    Nevada takes 39.6%, but Ireland gives credit for that amount when working out his Irish tax.


  • #5108
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    The Rooster wrote: »
    Its works the opposite way.

    Nevada takes 39.6%, but Ireland gives credit for that amount when working out his Irish tax.

    nevada take zero state tax, the 39.6% is federal tax. So if he fights on the MSG card for example, the federal govt will take their 39.6% then New York's state govt will take a percentage on top of that!


  • #5109
    newbbieb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 435 ✭✭newbbieb


    Devastator wrote: »
    Can I just say, I fcuking hate Khabib and don't understand how any of you can like him :eek::D

    Don't really like him myself,but its hard to deny his style is very effective in this game.

    I seen a pic once of him standing beside Joe in the octagon after a win and he dwarfed Joe for just sheer width of arms and shoulders,he is closer to Mike Tyson for size than he is to an arguably big 145er like Conor,hes just too big for Conor to stuff his takedowns and his gnp is nasty.


  • #5110
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,764 ✭✭✭ASOT


    slicus ricus wrote: »
    The other intriguing thing that I read recently is that he has never defended any of the 3 belts he has held (Cage Warriors Featherweight, Cage Warriors Lightweight, and UFC Featherweight), not once. This is something I never really realised which is strange because I was aware of the fact that his last 2 fights in Cage Warriors were for the Featherweight and Lightweight straps.

    He was Hardly going to be able to defend his Cage warriors belts considering he got signed to the ufc straight after so its a fairly pointless stat imo


  • #5111
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Pretty sure Jim Alers pulled out of his 145 cw defence fight so he got a 155 shot instead.


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  • #5112
    mailburner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,037 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    Depp wrote: »
    an elite wrestler with decent striking and khabib will be shown up completely...*cough*tony ferguson*cough*

    such a shame that never happened and I don't think chiesa deserves a shot at ferguson either only for calling him out which I'm sure he will regret
    wouldnt be a fan of ferguson after tuf but god I love how he fights, not sure there's anyone quite like him tbh


  • #5113
    slicus ricus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭slicus ricus


    ASOT wrote: »
    He was Hardly going to be able to defend his Cage warriors belts considering he got signed to the ufc straight after so its a fairly pointless stat imo

    I completely agree. I didn't say it as a criticism (I'm as big a Conor fan as anyone), was more just pointing out an interesting fact that I hadn't really thought of. I think he should defend the 145 belt in UFC to shut up the people who are using the lack of championship defenses against him among other reasons.


  • #5114
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    slicus ricus wrote: »
    I completely agree. I didn't say it as a criticism (I'm as big a Conor fan as anyone), was more just pointing out an interesting fact that I hadn't really thought of. I think he should defend the 145 belt in UFC to shut up the people who are using the lack of championship defenses against him among other reasons.

    People like commentators on Facebook/YouTube?

    "Hey y'all McTapout should be made defend his belt he ain't even a real champion like Aldo was, punk ass bitches"

    Oh no...


  • #5115
    slicus ricus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭slicus ricus


    Saipanne wrote: »
    People like commentators on Facebook/YouTube?

    "Hey y'all McTapout should be made defend his belt he ain't even a real champion like Aldo was, punk ass bitches"

    Oh no...

    It would be one of many reasons why defending his belt would be a good idea. With Conor, there will always be haters - it's just how people react to him, you either love him or hate him, very little in between. I would imagine a few successful defenses at 145 would make some of the haters quieten down!


  • #5116
    Myrddin
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    I'd say he will defend it, following on from whatever happens at 202. If he does beat Diaz, I suppose there's a chance he might not & might just make 155 his new home, but if he loses, I don't see anywhere else other than 145 in the short term.


  • #5117
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    slicus ricus wrote: »
    It would be one of many reasons why defending his belt would be a good idea. With Conor, there will always be haters - it's just how people react to him, you either love him or hate him, very little in between. I would imagine a few successful defenses at 145 would make some of the haters quieten down!

    They are morons, best to just ignore them.


  • #5118
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    slicus ricus wrote: »
    It would be one of many reasons why defending his belt would be a good idea. With Conor, there will always be haters - it's just how people react to him, you either love him or hate him, very little in between. I would imagine a few successful defenses at 145 would make some of the haters quieten down!

    Anyone he beats just throws up some other question marks, he'll never get any credit just excuses found to move on to the next reason he's this and that......that's why so many (and on here) absolutely struck gold with the Diaz fight, it's was like winning the lottery for them ......their whole rhyme and reason regarding McGregor vindicated


  • #5119
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I don't consider someone a champion until the defend there belt
    Ye he won a title you can't take that from him, but a champion should have at least one successful defence,
    The cage warrior thing is different, its like winning the Championship and getting promoted to the Premier league , he's not going to stick around to defend it when UFC is calling


  • #5120
    JoeyJJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,663 ✭✭✭JoeyJJ


    I wouldn't accept that version of being a champ, if you win the belt you are champ however undisputed should prob not be said until u have wins over the top contenders. However this is used unless there is an interim. Conor won't be undisputed soon.


  • #5121
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    So, who is the featherweight champion? Is it Aldo?


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  • #5122
    jimmii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    Saipanne wrote: »
    So, who is the featherweight champion? Is it Aldo?

    Assuming you're serious no he's fighting for the interim belt soon but its still McGregor for now still & whoever wins the interim belt should fight him to unify them.


  • #5123
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    jimmii wrote: »
    Assuming you're serious no he's fighting for the interim belt soon but its still McGregor for now still & whoever wins the interim belt should fight him to unify them.

    I was being serious in that I was testing the logic of the poster who said he is not the champion.

    Logic always wins.


  • #5124
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Its like saying Germany arent the world cup champions because they havent defended it.


  • #5125
    jimmii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I was being serious in that I was testing the logic of the poster who said he is not the champion.

    Logic always wins.

    Ah I see! Guess it loses some of the magic when its a top of the page comment! The whole you're not a Champion until you've defended the belt thing has been around for years. A champ is a champ at the end of the day imo.


  • #5126
    jimmii
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    Its like saying Germany arent the world cup champions because they havent defended it.

    And that there has never been a champion in the champions league!


  • #5127
    price690
    Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Its like saying Germany arent the world cup champions because they havent defended it.

    No its not.

    Your monetary value to the company determines whether or not you get cut more slack than your contempories. McGregor is the FW champion but big money fights at higher weights dictated that he move up. The FW belt has then become a safety net, not just for McGregor but also for the UFC should Mcgregor get beat up outside of his weight division of 145.

    Its good business to allow him to move back down if his move up in weight doesn't work out. Theres no doubt about it though, the belt has been devalued but its the very same in boxing. McGregor is a big draw therefore it makes sense to have a back up plan. If he is a success at 155 and beyond then his FW title will be a distant memory and he will simply vacate.

    Holding onto it is his security in case things don't work out.

    For the integrity of the sport alone, if you exit your weight division you should vacate your title. Scratch that, maybe provide a little leeway if theres one superfight to be had at the weight above fair enough, but the next defence better be at the weight at which you are holding the title.

    Its simply going the very same route as boxing, where certain guys can hold their titles no matter who/what weight class they fight. And others without connections get stripped after 3 months for failing to fight contender X.

    Belts won't matter a jot.


  • #5128
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    price690 wrote: »
    No its not.

    Your monetary value to the company determines whether or not you get cut more slack than your contempories. McGregor is the FW champion but big money fights at higher weights dictated that he move up. The FW belt has then become a safety net, not just for McGregor but also for the UFC should Mcgregor get beat up outside of his weight division of 145.

    Its good business to allow him to move back down if his move up in weight doesn't work out. Theres no doubt about it though, the belt has been devalued but its the very same in boxing. McGregor is a big draw therefore it makes sense to have a back up plan. If he is a success at 155 and beyond then his FW title will be a distant memory and he will simply vacate.

    Holding onto it is his security in case things don't work out.

    For the integrity of the sport alone, if you exit your weight division you should vacate your title. Scratch that, maybe provide a little leeway if theres one superfight to be had at the weight above fair enough, but the next defence better be at the weight at which you are holding the title.

    Its simply going the very same route as boxing, where certain guys can hold their titles no matter who/what weight class they fight. And others without connections get stripped after 3 months for failing to fight contender X.

    Belts won't matter a jot.



    Ok this discussion had nothing to do with business or money but whatever,its about someone winning a world title ie beating the current undisputed holder then people saying he's not the champ because he hasnt had a defence yet,absolutely zero to do with money or other divisions.


  • #5129
    price690
    Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Ok this discussion had nothing to do with business or money but whatever,its about someone winning a world title ie beating the current undisputed holder then people saying he's not the champ because he hasnt had a defence yet,absolutely zero to do with money or other divisions.

    The only reason McGregor has been allowed to hold on to his belt is because he is Conor McGregor and he is a big draw for the company financially. Can totally understand why people think it compromises the integrity of the sport and the FW title. But its understandable from a business standpoint aswell. But it does cheapen the title no matter what anyone says.

    It may be one year (at least) before we see McGregor defend his FW title again, if ever. If he beats Diaz (which I believe he will by unanimous decision) he may decide to vacate his FW title at that stage and concentrate on 155 and beyond.

    Him holding onto the title is an insurance policy for both himself and the UFC no matter what anyone says.


  • #5130
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    price690 wrote: »
    The only reason McGregor has been allowed to hold on to his belt is because he is Conor McGregor and he is a big draw for the company financially. Can totally understand why people think it compromises the integrity of the sport and the FW title. But its understandable from a business standpoint aswell. But it does cheapen the title no matter what anyone says.

    It may be one year (at least) before we see McGregor defend his FW title again, if ever. If he beats Diaz (which I believe he will by unanimous decision) he may decide to vacate his FW title at that stage and concentrate on 155 and beyond.

    Him holding onto the title is an insurance policy for both himself and the UFC no matter what anyone says.

    Im not even talking about McGregor,anyone in any sport who wins a world title fight against the undisputed champion is clearly the champion,some are debating that I think you've the wrong end of the stick,Bisping is the mw world champion how anybody can dispute that is mind boggling.


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  • #5131
    price690
    Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Ok this discussion had nothing to do with business or money but whatever,its about someone winning a world title ie beating the current undisputed holder then people saying he's not the champ because he hasnt had a defence yet,absolutely zero to do with money or other divisions.

    Nobody disputes that he won the title. He can call himself world champ for sure. But you simply have to defend it. Likening it to Germany not defending their world cup is just talking nonsense.

    The guy has exited the division and will have for the best part of a year. The title has not been up for grabs in all of that time therefore he shouldn't be allowed to hold onto it. Thats the point. Its not a criticism of him as I know people are sensitive to that in here (as much as people are over the top with their digs at him).

    He seems intent on fighting in the higher weight classes, he is probably a natural 155lber, but they seem intent on leaving the FW belt on him just in case he bombs up there and then they can start marketing him as the best FW in the world again, which he is.

    People getting on their high horse batting away anyone questioning how hes allowed to get away without having to defend his title? This is the fight game, its not soccer ffs. If he doesn't want to defend it then vacate it and leave it to the next best 2 guys in the division.

    There would be no title fights in the UFC if every champ got the McGregor treatment. And IT WILL lead to belts becoming meaningless, just like boxing.


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