Season 6 Episode 6 "Blood Of My Blood" - "Non book readers"

Akrasia · 31-05-2016 12:52PM

Also, it's a narrow sea, they could ferry them across in a couple of days

The Narrow sea has never been seen as an insurmountable reason why the Dothraki never invaded westerous, it was always because they don't like salt water (they call it poison water) and refused to sail on ships, but I suppose they can be convinced by someone with a dragon and a promise of glory

Riskymove · 31-05-2016 12:55PM

Penn wrote: »

To be honest, I don't understand this criticism. It's not like the number was 856.

I think the criticism is the convenience in having someone build and send 1000 ships just when Dany needs them

pickarooney · 31-05-2016 12:58PM

Euron is not actually going to build 1000 ships. That would be preposterous.

Floki, on the other hand...

storker · 31-05-2016 01:12PM

Ardent wrote: »

Every scene with Sam I fast forward. The last couple of seasons have been padded out with his rubbish story arc that frankly goes nowhere and serves no purpose.

I watch Sam's scenes, but in the hope that each one will be the scene where he finally grows a set. I real thought that this would be it, and that he would at least enough to tell his old sh1te of a father where to get off. Disappointed again...

TCDStudent1 · 31-05-2016 01:19PM

storker wrote: »

I watch Sam's scenes, but in the hope that each one will be the scene where he finally grows a set. I real thought that this would be it, and that he would at least enough to tell his old sh1te of a father where to get off. Disappointed again...

My take on that scene was it took more courage for him to keep his mouth shut than to respond. He knew it would be easy to retaliate but that would mess up gillys chances of staying there.

Hard to understand why he decided to take gilly with him after that though

wuzziwig · 31-05-2016 01:22PM

storker wrote: »

I watch Sam's scenes, but in the hope that each one will be the scene where he finally grows a set. I real thought that this would be it, and that he would at least enough to tell his old sh1te of a father where to get off. Disappointed again...

If I was Gilly he's be getting a swift kick in the balls for not standing up for me when his father called me a wildling whore. I too thought he'd stand up, tell his father a few home truths and then march out of there with his head held high. Instead his moment of "strength" was bursting back in her bedroom door, grabbing her and Sam and skulking out of there like a thief in the night.

screamer · 31-05-2016 01:58PM

Why hasn't Danny started shop building for herself? She has plenty of people to do it....... for a strategist she sure can be thick sometimes.

PressRun · 31-05-2016 02:06PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Hard to understand why he decided to take gilly with him after that though

They're "meant to be together".

squonk · 31-05-2016 02:29PM

I'm not getting the Sam hatred. Yes, his story hasn't been as interesting as Dani's or Tyrions but I like it. He's an ordinary guy with a family who he's trying to protect in the sort of environment that isn't very family friendly. He's got a father who's a complete bástard and a wanker of the highest order and, in the face of that onslaught he remained quiet and dignified. He put Gilly and his family first. What's not to like? In a show where everyone has some kind of motive or scheme on the go, Sam is only interested in his family and keeping them safe and he's a good guy. I have to say he's really coming up in my estimations. I can see why he probably decided to keep Gilly and his son close. His father would hardly have been reading bedtime stories to his son so perhaps he didn't want his child to grow up in the same environment he did.

As for the rest of the epsode, not much I can say that hasn't been said. Tommen: total gullible twat. A Girl: Why? Unless this is some kind of test the faceless ones have actually planned for her then it has no point. It may be that they reckon she needs to find her own way to make her more whole or something.... I just don't know.

Kings Landing: Gutted we didn't get Margaery's walk of shame but what can you do! I was looking forward to that in the hope they might do it. I too think Margaery has some plot on the go but it makes no sense just now.

Dani: Aw come on!!! I think it was the writing but I felt her story actually advanced too much over the past while. The dragon came out of nowhere. If she'd just come back and said "Awrite budz, d'yiz like me dragon? Let's go kick some bleedin' arse" it'd have been better but FFS they were already following her so the pep talk wasn't needed.

Overall one of the poorer episodes in some time. All the pieces were there. They just didn't make the moves all that interesting.

Sleepy · 31-05-2016 02:47PM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Could this be a sort of foreshadowing that Dany will conquer Westeros only for someone else to end up in the Iron Throne? Tyrion, Jon, Sansa, Littlefinger are all possibilities.

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It's her birthright & she's spent 6 seasons seething over the Starks / Barathions deposing her family.

I can't see her vacating the throne when she takes it

It's widely theorised (by show watchers and book readers alike) that:

Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyana Stark (since the Targaryens have a history of bigamy).

Which, if true, would make his claim to the Iron Throne better than that of his Aunt Danaerys.

Hyzepher · 31-05-2016 02:52PM

CdeC wrote: »

The writing is dropping this season too.

Euron Greyjoy " Build me 1000 ships please"

Danareys Targaeryean " How many ships do I need......oh 1000.......where o' where will i find these"

Pants

In fairness the 1000 ships was the answer to the same question - just asked by different people. If the answer is 1000 then it's a 1000

allibastor · 31-05-2016 03:02PM

It wasnt that bad of an episode, but as there is only 10 in each series they do need time to set up the rest, everything cant be balls to the wall all the time.

I do think Margeroy is playing a game, she has to be, she seems far more adept at the long game that the Lannisters, and to be fair lady Olenna had said a few times in previous episodes that she was more lie she was as a girl, and it is known that Olennna was brilliant, even Tywin recognized this.

I think the Danny scene would have been so much more impressive if Drgon did turn up when she lit up the Khals, I mean if you could imagine that scene, then she walks out and Drogon slams down to earth beside her!!!!!

Sam is good, and it has to be leading somewhere good, there is too much of how a nice and smart guy he is for it not to be!!!!

leonil7 · 31-05-2016 03:08PM

it is possible that with mad king aerys shown at the first part, and Danaery's warmongering battle-speech at the last part..that probably danaery's is starting to get crazy as well.

team_actimel · 31-05-2016 03:16PM

I'm just glad Margaery wasn't made do the walk of shame (yet, hopefully it won't come to that). One was enough, don't understand a few posters here wanting to sit through another.
I, for one, was happy to see more of Sam & Gilly

J. Marston · 31-05-2016 03:18PM

leonil7 wrote: »

it is possible that with mad king aerys shown at the first part, and Danaery's warmongering battle-speech at the last part..that probably danaery's is starting to get crazy as well.

Yep, the criticism of Dany's story being incredibly slow are definitely valid but I'm liking the slow burn of her becoming a tyrant.

She's bringing 3 dragons and a horde of savages to Westeros. Her time as "Mhysa" and "Breaker of Chains" is over.

BoJack Horseman · 31-05-2016 03:21PM

J. Marston wrote: »

I'm liking the slow burn of her becoming a tyrant.

She's bringing 3 dragons and a horde of savages to Westeros. Her time as "Mhysa" and "Breaker of Chains" is over.

I agree.
As Tyrion said, there have not been slaves in Westeros for centuries & the Targaryns don't seem to be a 'for the people' type of ruler.
So there can be no allusions, Danny is not liberating anyone. She is "breaking the wheel", and it won't be for the betterment of Westeros.

It would take all of Westeros combined to repel her... I'd love to see that happen.

PressRun · 31-05-2016 03:50PM

There's a chance Westeros will be under siege by the white walkers by the time she arrives though, which would mean her horde of Dothraki and three dragons might be seen as something of a savior.

31-05-2016 03:55PM

filler

Dial Hard · 31-05-2016 04:06PM

team_actimel wrote: »

I'm just glad Margaery wasn't made do the walk of shame (yet, hopefully it won't come to that). One was enough, don't understand a few posters here wanting to sit through another.

I suspect the posters who are disappointed that they didn't get to see Margaery in the nip are the same people who were horrified at the sight of a todger last week...

OneOfThem Stumbled · 31-05-2016 04:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have to say, I'm baffled by the criticism. Never in the history of TV have we had a fantasy epic with a budget like this and the creative possibilities that current CGI provides. Have we become so jaded, that this bores us? What's a better fantasy series, if this one is so poor to the hurlers on the ditch?

I'm captivated by every moment of every episode. While the plot may have the odd predictable crowd pleaser, and the occasional weak progression, the writing is excellent and the actors are top notch. I was hooked from start to finish, as I have been since S01E01.

Because this could be so much more. The problems are not usually budget related. Budget related issues are totally understandable. Generally the problems are in the writing, and that's pretty unacceptable.

This isn't like a game that can be released buggy as hell, but several months down the line it will be patched and good to play (and such games get massive criticism!). You only really get one shot to do this right.

I found myself skipping bits of the most recent episode, and were the next episode to be similar, I'd wait until the season was concluded to bother continuing watching. I am hopeful though, as the preview of the next episode looks really good. And bastard-bowl - surely they can't mess that up. Right? Right...?

I'd say that the first season was probably the strongest: even though they did it on a shoestring. Since they have become successful we have had some bigger budget episodes, but we have also had a lot more dross. You should be able to tell a good story in 10 hours of screen-time. This episode wasted about half an hour, while the dramatic reveal of Bengen (which was what... 5 years in the making) had no dramatic weight whatsoever.

There is no other major fantasy series, and even historical series are very thin on the ground. That makes GOT all the more frustrating when it gets it wrong! The fact that there aren't many moves in the Alien franchise does not make Alien 3 good.

Riddle101 · 31-05-2016 04:27PM

I thought the episode was ok, but not exciting. Hopefully they're building to something great in the next episode.

I've seen comments saying that Sam and Gilly got too much screen time, but to be fair, they haven't been featured as much as others this Season. I think we've only seen them in one or two other episodes, but I think they deservedly got some decent screen time this time around. Not sure what Sam is going to do now that he stole his father's sword? Is he going to go back to Castle Black having not completed his Maester training? Or is he abandoning the Night's Watch altogether so that he can be with Gilly? I can't see him going to Oldtown now because his father would most likely pursue him there to get back his sword.

I also hope that they give an explanation for why The Waif dislikes Arya so much. It seems like she's had a problem with her since day 1, and now she wants to kill her too. I initially thought that she was like that to Arya because it was part of her training but, but maybe it's something else.

PressRun · 31-05-2016 04:39PM

I don't know how the Waif gets a pass by the Faceless Men, tbh. I thought the whole point was that the killings were meant to be impersonal and kind of unemotional? But she seems to have a real personal issue with Arya and seemed to enjoy beating her a little too much, which I would have thought was against their whole ethos there? I don't know is she jealous of Arya coming into the fold or what? It also didn't look like she was going to heed Jaquen's request to make Arya's death as painless as possible.

allibastor · 31-05-2016 04:44PM

PressRun wrote: »

I don't know how the Waif gets a pass by the Faceless Men, tbh. I thought the whole point was that the killings were meant to be impersonal and kind of unemotional? But she seems to have a real personal issue with Arya and seemed to enjoy beating her a little too much, which I would have thought was against their whole ethos there? I don't know is she jealous of Arya coming into the fold or what? It also didn't look like she was going to heed Jaquen's request to make Arya's death as painless as possible.

I imagine that the faceless men are not just some random killers, and this will be a test for Arya to join some super-ranks within them.

Penn · 31-05-2016 04:50PM

allibastor wrote: »

I imagine that the faceless men are not just some random killers, and this will be a test for Arya to join some super-ranks within them.

I think similar. Given what we know about them now, it's too much of a coincidence that Arya could first meet him as a prisoner on his way to the Night's Watch then becoming a Lannister Guard. I think he was intentionally there to get to Arya.

I don't think it's about Arya becoming "No-one" or a "Faceless Man", I think the whole becoming no-one thing is all about training her to blend in and not act fully on emotion, and help teach her how to lie properly.

alchemist33 · 31-05-2016 04:50PM

allibastor wrote: »

I imagine that the faceless men are not just some random killers, and this will be a test for Arya to join some super-ranks within them.

That's the thing. With all his talk of their god and doing things the way their god wants them to do, they'll than kill anyone for a few coins. Either they're disciplined warriors doing their god's bidding, or they're killers with no scruples, so there may be another layer of meaning to them.

PressRun · 31-05-2016 04:56PM

allibastor wrote: »

I imagine that the faceless men are not just some random killers, and this will be a test for Arya to join some super-ranks within them.

Well, they're not random killers though, are they? They do it for money. Isn't that the whole thing with them? They have the whole backstory of working for the Many Faced God or whatever, but at the end of the day, they'll still kill someone for a few quid.

Links234 · 31-05-2016 05:38PM

PressRun wrote: »

I don't know how the Waif gets a pass by the Faceless Men, tbh.

I don't think she does. The way I see it is that she's being tested, and Jaqen is using Arya to test her. Waif is smouldering with jealousy, she can't not make it personal, and I highly suspect Jaqen didn't bring Arya into the fold for her to join the faceless men, but to see if the waif was ready to become no one. She isn't.

lbj666 · 31-05-2016 05:41PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I agree.
As Tyrion said, there have not been slaves in Westeros for centuries & the Targaryns don't seem to be a 'for the people' type of ruler.
So there can be no allusions, Danny is not liberating anyone. She is "breaking the wheel", and it won't be for the betterment of Westeros.

It would take all of Westeros combined to repel her... I'd love to see that happen.

You can kind of see it going on that path , Dany + 3 dragons + an army of savages + an army with total resentment to nobility and wealth + an army of sell swords and add a 1000 ship fleet build by essentially pirates.

Still even though its is a bit of motley crue , She is more lining herself up to be Aegon the conquerer (with less Dragons) than the Mad King though.

Mr. CooL ICE · 31-05-2016 05:44PM

Jaqen did say that one way or another, the many faced god would be getting another face, after he sent Arya off on her mission. Maybe the waif's face would suffice?

nicki11 · 31-05-2016 05:57PM

lbj666 wrote: »

You can kind of see it going on that path , Dany + 3 dragons + an army of savages + an army with total resentment to nobility and wealth + an army of sell swords and add a 1000 ship fleet build by essentially pirates.

Still even though its is a bit of motley crue , She is more lining herself up to be Aegon the conquerer (with less Dragons) than the Mad King though.

He had three dragons, so does she, they had eggs for more. He conquered the seven kingdoms with just 3 dragons, with an army she has an even better chance. I do see her being like Aegon but I am worried she will go insane and if she doesn't I don't see her being a great ruler shes too ruthless and over confident in her ability to rule. She needs Tyrion to be her hand and help her rule because you do have to negotiate and compromise and most of her mistakes in Meereen are do to her lack of understanding of that.

Season 6 Episode 6 "Blood Of My Blood" - "Non book readers"

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