Season 6 Episode 6 "Blood Of My Blood" - "Non book readers"

Alfred Borden · 30-05-2016 11:12PM

Daenerys getting killed off would make this show so much better. Still a very enjoyable episode.

screamer · 30-05-2016 11:26PM

Thought the Sam storyline far fetched to see what he came from and how common he is is frankly unbelievable . Think the only reason for that arc was so that he could get a valarian steel sword.
More same old same old from danaerys. I think if she ever ever gets her armies across the narrow seas they will get some sort of pox and die. It has to have some twists in the storyline.
Too much time spent in westeros too they are going nowhere fast and I'm bored of that arc.
I thought the CGI was actually poor enough in the episode and you could hardly see the diminuitive khalesi on the Dragon......

TCDStudent1 · 30-05-2016 11:36PM

screamer wrote: »

Thought the Sam storyline far fetched to see what he came from and how common he is is frankly unbelievable . Think the only reason for that arc was so that he could get a valarian steel sword.
More same old same old from danaerys. I think if she ever ever gets her armies across the narrow seas they will get some sort of pox and die. It has to have some twists in the storyline.
Too much time spent in westeros too they are going nowhere fast and I'm bored of that arc.
I thought the CGI was actually poor enough in the episode and you could hardly see the diminuitive khalesi on the Dragon......

If khaleesi sails with her army, she'll be bringing the unsullied, dothraki, probably iron Islanders, 3 dragons and maybe a few knights with her. When we get all those together in one area, it's gonna take some leader to make sure they don't all kill each other. My guess is that we may seem some twists when that happens. That's the bit im looking forward to!

PressRun · 30-05-2016 11:41PM

She'll really need Tyrion and Varys by her side to keep things under control.

TCDStudent1 · 30-05-2016 11:45PM

PressRun wrote: »

She'll really need Tyrion and Varys by her side to keep things under control.

I wonder if tyrion will want to return to kings landing. He might be happy to stay where he is where he can 'rule' for khaleesi and play politics there

mzungu · 31-05-2016 12:27AM

That was by numbers mostly.

I find it interesting that Cersei is not sweating the trial by combat. Obviously some mad twist on the way there. Who will Ser Gregor be fighting this time?

Good to see Walder Frey back again.

Arya in Bravos seems to be reaching its conclusion. It will be good to see her on the move again. I presume Cersei is numero uno on her list, maybe she heads back for KL.

Could have done without yet another Dany speech. A bit of a time waster there really.

Never too interested in the Sam story arc, but the 'meet the parents' shtick got a fair whack of screentime.

The high sparrow, what a legend. Jonathan Price is great. There hasn't been one scene of his I haven't enjoyed.

Roll on next week.

PressRun · 31-05-2016 12:35AM

Jonathan Price is great. He has a great presence. I thought his scene with Olenna last season when he told her that the days of the rich were numbered was one of the best scenes in a poor enough season.

nicki11 · 31-05-2016 12:40AM

Vojera wrote: »

I actually don't see Kevan that way at all. He's not as cruel or as ruthless as Tywin, nor as clever, but I think he's fiercely loyal to his family and is trying to guide Tommen as best he can.

As for his inaction regarding Tommen and Jamie, I think Kevan genuinely just doesn't know what to do. I don't think he can see a way out of the noose the High Sparrow has put around their necks.

Thats the problem he isn't as smart or cunning as Tywin but is loyal to his familys legacy not all his family. He disowned his son, removed Jaime from his position and appeases the Tyrells. Yes it could lead to temporary peace but what happens when the faith demands land, weapons, armour and the deaths of Cersei, Loras and Margaery. He is as naive as Tommen, he followed his brother his entire life and now he thinks he can rule. I don't mind him in theory but in actuality his lack of leadership skills is a problem because in a couple of years Tommen won't have to listen to him and the High Sparrow will have him completely by then. They need ruthlessness and to end the High Sparrow and his order before it spreads too much and without making him a martyr. They are trapped now if he doesn't due it they are screwed and if he does people will hate him like they hated Tyrion for making the decisions nessecary to protect everyone because like it or not they need a government and the King and his council are it.

The High Sparrow will harm trade, breed fanatacism, kill and punish "sinners", stagnate progress and will doom them by saying theres no such thing as white walkers and refusing action until too late. Hes also using up their time and resources fighting each other when they have dragons and white walkers on the horizon and a civil war starting in the North.

Squatman wrote: »

Unless he was stockpiling the fuel for the whitewalkers/ wights, in which case Jaime royally ****ed up - he could have been talking about the wights too when he said "burn them all"

I don't think so Jaime very clearly said he was stockpiling it to blow up the city with everyone in it because he was insane and thought it would turn him into a dragon. He spent ages dismantling the suicidal system. Yes there could be something there about Brans voice driving him insane but his insanity is not in question. He got off on burning people alive, Baristan and Jaime said so and they had no reason to lie.

A Primal Nut · 31-05-2016 12:45AM

walshb wrote: »

FFS, 6 seasons in and Blondie is still sh1ting on about taking the 7 kingdoms. How in god's name am I sticking with this nonsense?

I'm a big fan but some of the storylines are ludicrously dragged out. It feels like they are constantly trying to keep Danaerys involved but obviously they don't want her near Westeros for a while yet so they have to keep filling in the gaps.

They probably would have been better off introducing her in season 3 or 4. Either that or she can disappear for a while and come back when she's ready to go to Westeros. I do love seeing Dragons though.

Arya is another character which I used to really like but her story has dragged for a very long time. Looks like she might be getting interesting again.

mzungu · 31-05-2016 12:46AM

PressRun wrote: »

Jonathan Price is great. He has a great presence. I thought his scene with Olenna last season when he told her that the days of the rich were numbered was one of the best scenes in a poor enough season.

Every bit as good as the scenes with Tywin and Olenna! Shame they don't have more screen time together. Two great actors. I hope we get a lot more Olenna and the HS in the coming episodes.

PressRun · 31-05-2016 01:04AM

nicki11 wrote: »

The High Sparrow will harm trade, breed fanatacism, kill and punish "sinners", stagnate progress and will doom them by saying theres no such thing as white walkers and refusing action until too late. Hes also using up their time and resources fighting each other when they have dragons and white walkers on the horizon and a civil war starting in the North.

I'm not sure anyone south of the wall fully acknowledges the reality of the whitewalker threat though, not just the High Sparrow. I highly doubt the Tyrells and the Lannisters give a second thought to it. Very few people have seen them and the vast majority don't actually believe in them. It doesn't seem like anyone in Westeros is all too concerned about Dany and her dragons either.

That's why I think the people currently squabbling in King's Landing are ultimately not going to have a say at the end of all this. They don't see the bigger picture at all, they're not even capable of acknowledging it. All they care about is clinging onto whatever shred of power remains in KL, despite the fact that power in KL is becoming increasingly more meaningless as there are bigger battles on the horizon.

2ndcoming · 31-05-2016 01:09AM

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I'm a big fan but some of the storylines are ludicrously dragged out. It feels like they are constantly trying to keep Danaerys involved but obviously they don't want her near Westeros for a while yet so they have to keep filling in the gaps.

I honestly find this stuff so hard to understand. She's had maybe 20-30 minutes screen time since last year's finale. In which time she has been abducted by the Dothraki, met a new Khal, met the Dosh Khaleen, burned all the Dothraki leaders alive and gained a horde of 100,000 warriors - while at the same time we've been shown a way she can get those warriors to Westeros from an unexpected source in no way previously linked to her story.

Is everyone just ruined by watching youtube clips or what? Instant gratification or nothing? Whatever about last year her storyline is moving now. Her story is a bit like Sansa's in that they start out as innocent girls who dream of marrying princes and everything they learn through all the **** that happens to them is what makes them capable of doing something when it matters. If season 2 had ended with Dany and Khal Drogo riding dragons over the Red Keep would anyone give a sh1t about the show?

The endgame is going to take a few short episodes in a couple years time. The journey is the important part.

nicki11 · 31-05-2016 01:39AM

PressRun wrote: »

I'm not sure anyone south of the wall fully acknowledges the reality of the whitewalker threat though, not just the High Sparrow. I highly doubt the Tyrells and the Lannisters give a second thought to it. Very few people have seen them and the vast majority don't actually believe in them. It doesn't seem like anyone in Westeros is all too concerned about Dany and her dragons either.

That's why I think the people currently squabbling in King's Landing are ultimately not going to have a say at the end of all this. They don't see the bigger picture at all, they're not even capable of acknowledging it. All they care about is clinging onto whatever shred of power remains in KL, despite the fact that power in KL is becoming increasingly more meaningless as there are bigger battles on the horizon.

Yes but from a religious aspect they do not beleive in magic and beleive any who do are heathens and any practitioners (Bran warg and greenseer) should be put to death. Yes people do not beleive its a threat but a faith has massive control over a population and this faith especially so if they say ignore it and kill anyone who disagree people will go with it. Look at the witch trials, crusades this is an era where those things happen and which the high sparrow could order to happen.

Which eats into my larger point the faith and nobles are squabbling over things which matter less compared to the imminent dragon and white walker threat which they will likely continue to ignore until dragon fire and wights bear down on them. Its a problem for them and the people there because while I dislike Cersei the common people will be the ones who suffer because their fighting will devastate the populace and the wights and dragons will pick off the rest.

MadYaker · 31-05-2016 02:11AM

I think the reason people were disappointed by this one was because previous episodes were much livelier. Some annoying things though, Arya spends a season and a half in that place and then throws it all away from some random woman she just met, great but what was the point of that whole build up so? Sam and Gilly's story is still boring and I fail to see how it's relevant. Presumably Dany will be back in Mereen next week with an army and her dragons so maybe we'll finally see some meaningful progress there.

J. Marston · 31-05-2016 03:09AM

MadYaker wrote: »

I think the reason people were disappointed by this one was because previous episodes were much livelier. Some annoying things though, Arya spends a season and a half in that place and then throws it all away from some random woman she just met, great but what was the point of that whole build up so? Sam and Gilly's story is still boring and I fail to see how it's relevant. Presumably Dany will be back in Mereen next week with an army and her dragons so maybe we'll finally see some meaningful progress there.

Arya is driven by vengeance. Becoming a Faceless Man/No-one requires you to be a mindless blade for hire killing strangers. That's not what she wants, she's learned their trade and wants out.

I think Arya's story will probably have the most tragic end. She wants so much to kill those who have hurt her but she's just crossed a guild of assassins who can change faces. She might take out the waif but I can't see her lasting too long after that.

Mr. CooL ICE · 31-05-2016 08:20AM

Gilly must have found an orthodontist on that boat.

PIORUN · 31-05-2016 08:48AM

J. Marston wrote: »

DeVore wrote: »

At least Arya is back on track, though I'm not sure what she's learned for the whole time she's been there... how to get beaten up with sticks perhaps? That waif is totally toast though haha (mind you, how do you defeat an assassin who could be anyone?) ... I had been looking forward to her getting access to the many faces but now it seems like she wont which makes the whole thing seem a little pointless. Still, more Arya is good!

It felt like a bit of a filler episode but at least stuff got moved forwards. Amazingly Eujon (?) is building just the right number of ships for Khalessi and the Dothraki.... neat that! I don't think Bran is going to ever warg into anyone else in his dreams after what happened to Hodor, so I don't think "time travel" will make any difference to the story. (Its not time-travel anyway, he had already warged into Hodor in the past, he didn't change his present by doing so, he merely reiterated what had already been established in his time line, so... no deviation from the time line, no timetravel. No one else is walking around like Hodor so, we can pretty much assume he wont be doing it again.

Arya did learn how to change faces. Remember how she killed Meryn Trant?

She's gonna kill the waif and ransack the House of Black & White.

I think when Ayra was telling the actress that the Queen wouldn't just cry over her son, that she would get revenge made her realize that shes sick of being no one and wants to get her own revenge against those that hurt her family

Ardent · 31-05-2016 09:47AM

Every scene with Sam I fast forward. The last couple of seasons have been padded out with his rubbish story arc that frankly goes nowhere and serves no purpose.

Penn · 31-05-2016 09:56AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Arya spends a season and a half in that place and then throws it all away from some random woman she just met, great but what was the point of that whole build up so?

walshb · 31-05-2016 10:11AM

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Arya is another character which I used to really like but her story has dragged for a very long time. Looks like she might be getting interesting again.

Another fooking sonnozefest of a character/story.

conorhal · 31-05-2016 10:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have to say, I'm baffled by the criticism. Never in the history of TV have we had a fantasy epic with a budget like this and the creative possibilities that current CGI provides. Have we become so jaded, that this bores us? What's a better fantasy series, if this one is so poor to the hurlers on the ditch?

I'm captivated by every moment of every episode. While the plot may have the odd predictable crowd pleaser, and the occasional weak progression, the writing is excellent and the actors are top notch. I was hooked from start to finish, as I have been since S01E01.

Be honest though, I don't expect the series to be Shakespere, but I do expect the writing to be at least as good as it was in the first season, it really isn't, in fact I'd say that over the last two seasons the quality of writing and direction has been in sharp decline and now it's just sort of moving characters around to hit plot points with no real development of those points.
Moments of season one and two surprised, shocked or excited me. This episode was weak and every plot point was telegraphed as if it were exposition. It hit every beat exactly as you expected.

conorhal · 31-05-2016 11:01AM

2ndcoming wrote: »

I honestly find this stuff so hard to understand. She's had maybe 20-30 minutes screen time since last year's finale. In which time she has been abducted by the Dothraki, met a new Khal, met the Dosh Khaleen, burned all the Dothraki leaders alive and gained a horde of 100,000 warriors - while at the same time we've been shown a way she can get those warriors to Westeros from an unexpected source in no way previously linked to her story.

The journey is repetitive. A good writer would have had Drogon turn up at exactly that point, drawn by the fire as the Dothraki leaders burned, and Dany could have made her big 'you're all my gangstas, now lets kick some ass' speach then, that would have created real awe, and would have saved us the redundant repeatition of this latest episode that made so many people roll their eyes at yet another Dany speach.

screamer · 31-05-2016 11:15AM

conorhal wrote: »

The journey is repetitive. A good writer would have had Drogon turn up at exactly that point, drawn by the fire as the Dothraki leaders burned, and Dany could have made her big 'you're all my gangstas, now lets kick some ass' speach then, that would have created real awe, and would have saved us the redundant repeatition of this latest episode that made so many people roll their eyes at yet another Dany speach.

Nah, would have been better if she could communicate with Drogon telepathically (as she can do so much anyways) and then he did a fly over and set fire to the temple to free his "mother" and take her up into the sky over the burning temple for her speech.......... They only do half arsed fantasy in this show TBH. I think one good moment of self reflection for old Danny was when your man said to her she was not born to sit on a throne, she is a conqueror. Maybe now, she'll realise her purpose and stop trying to be the mother of her crew and be more of a leader....

I think the Bran storyline is also boring as, it seems now he is just able to go and view so much more of the past with the "upload" that the 3 eyed raven gave him. He definitely doesn't understand what he is looking at or how it all fits together, so we can expect a long and drawn out ould pile of poop whilst he figures it out, if he figures it out.........

Arya- arya joking me? She thinks she can run away from the face changing assassins? Seriously? how is she going to get away from them, given she met them back at home, there is nowhere she will be safe.

mzungu · 31-05-2016 11:19AM

conorhal wrote: »

The journey is repetitive. A good writer would have had Drogon turn up at exactly that point, drawn by the fire as the Dothraki leaders burned, and Dany could have made her big 'you're all my gangstas, now lets kick some ass' speach then, that would have created real awe, and would have saved us the redundant repeatition of this latest episode that made so many people roll their eyes at yet another Dany speach.

I really get the impression they are stalling for time with a lot of the Dany storyline. Those rousing battle speeches are getting a bit cheesy, I was half expecting Vince McMahon to pop out from behind a rock and join in.

Conall Cernach · 31-05-2016 11:38AM

screamer wrote: »

Nah, would have been better if she could communicate with Drogon telepathically (as she can do so much anyways) and then he did a fly over and set fire to the temple to free his "mother" and take her up into the sky over the burning temple for her speech.......... They only do half arsed fantasy in this show TBH. I think one good moment of self reflection for old Danny was when your man said to her she was not born to sit on a throne, she is a conqueror. Maybe now, she'll realise her purpose and stop trying to be the mother of her crew and be more of a leader....

I think the Bran storyline is also boring as, it seems now he is just able to go and view so much more of the past with the "upload" that the 3 eyed raven gave him. He definitely doesn't understand what he is looking at or how it all fits together, so we can expect a long and drawn out ould pile of poop whilst he figures it out, if he figures it out.........

Arya- arya joking me? She thinks she can run away from the face changing assassins? Seriously? how is she going to get away from them, given she met them back at home, there is nowhere she will be safe.

Could this be a sort of foreshadowing that Dany will conquer Westeros only for someone else to end up in the Iron Throne? Tyrion, Jon, Sansa, Littlefinger are all possibilities.

BoJack Horseman · 31-05-2016 11:49AM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Could this be a sort of foreshadowing that Dany will conquer Westeros only for someone else to end up in the Iron Throne? Tyrion, Jon, Sansa, Littlefinger are all possibilities.

It's her birthright & she's spent 6 seasons seething over the Starks / Barathions deposing her family.

I can't see her vacating the throne when she takes it

Akrasia · 31-05-2016 12:06PM

Dani changing from the free-er of slaves to the conquerer is a pretty massive shift in her character.

Dani is going to unleash a hundred thousand dothraki murderous pillagers onto Westeros.
There will be consequences from this and will Dani be able to control her new army?

Tyrion is busy trying to make peace between the freed slaves and the masters, he's gonna get a bit of a shock when Dani turns up with a hoard of Dothraki with no interest in negotiation or liberation

BoJack Horseman · 31-05-2016 12:18PM

Which assumes that when Danny returns to Meereen, her forces will combine & depart... possibly leaving the city in a right mess.

However I think this change in her is pretty apt.

IMO (& in keeping with the excellent ambiguity of the show where nothing is black & white) is that Denerys will be a tyrant.
She is the inbred child of inbred insane forbears....

So, while she has drawn good people to her & seems good I think there is a shadow upon her, and I think her character arc is teasing this out slowly.

Remember, she wants to conquer Westeros because it's her birthright.... There is no slavery there & aside from wars, the land is relatively prosperous.... so her intentions to Westeros are not exactly noble.

I don't think Westeros needs or wants the spawn of the Mad King to return with her fire-breathing dragons & barbarian army... that won't improve their lives.

I think she has conqueror & tyrant queen written all over her.

CdeC · 31-05-2016 12:21PM

I am still enjoying it but it is dragging. They need to move some of the stories along. I like Sam & Gilly though which seems a lot don't but are we going to watch him become a Maester? Doesn't that take about 40 years?

The writing is dropping this season too.

Euron Greyjoy " Build me 1000 ships please"

Danareys Targaeryean " How many ships do I need......oh 1000.......where o' where will i find these"

Pants

Penn · 31-05-2016 12:31PM

CdeC wrote: »

Euron Greyjoy " Build me 1000 ships please"

Danareys Targaeryean " How many ships do I need......oh 1000.......where o' where will i find these"

Pants

To be honest, I don't understand this criticism. It's not like the number was 856.

1000 is just the type of number that sounds impressively large. It makes sense that both Euron and Dany would say "Build me 1000 ships!" / "We need 1000 ships!"

Euron will go with as many ships as they can get, and Dany will fit everyone onto that amount of ships. No one (and by that I don't mean Arya) is going to actually count them.

Season 6 Episode 6 "Blood Of My Blood" - "Non book readers"

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