The Happy Pears twins

maximoose · 25-05-2016 03:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mung beans.

Mung beans contains something or other that fights cancer at a cellular level.

https://thehappypear.ie/our-products/

Hero Sprouts

This immune boosting mix contains the sprouts of Alfalfa, Broccoli, Clover and Radish. It combines the health benefits of all these sprouts with sprinkles of rosy red colour throughout. It is a very popular mix that is excellent for fighting off not only cancer cells but other diseases as well.

Charlatan nonsense.

25-05-2016 03:05PM

seoulone wrote: »

They spent so many years travelling, came back and just bought a greengrocers (yeah right, nobody can do all of that without a lot of financial help).

Perhaps they had lots of financial help, is that relevant? Greystones is a very affluent area, plenty of money about (for a significant minority) so it wouldn't surprise me.

so many people who would love to do this and are simply too busy working really hard in a job they don't like to even try something like this.

I don't think that many would have the seen this business model working. I certainly didn't. I met them when they first took over. The space they rented was a fraction of the size it is now. I got talking to them because I was doing some electrical work for them. They told me of their ambitions and I though "Yeah, right!". I thought that they would go bust within a year. How wrong I was. Drive, ambition, right place, right time, perhaps financial help (I don't know), but they tapped into something and made it work. Not may would have seen that. If I had seen it I would have remortgaged and done the same.

Mec27 · 25-05-2016 03:08PM

Its a combination of things that made it work, the hailo effect of moderate good looks made their lifestyle seem appealing as if healthy eating can beat out genetics.

Mec27 · 25-05-2016 03:09PM

Its a combination of things that made it work, the hailo effect of handsome in a non threatening way good looks made their lifestyle seem appealing as if healthy eating can beat out genetics.

25-05-2016 03:10PM

I'm sure they're lovely people, but some of those claims sound a bit '"Dr" Gillian McKeith' to me.

I'm sure the food is good for you, but my reaction to unevidenced claims is always to boycott.

Duggy747 · 25-05-2016 03:19PM

Effects wrote: »

Sorry, it seemed like that's what you were saying. Maybe I picked it up wrong.

I've never read anything about them saying a vegan diet fights cancer.
If it was said, I would presume they meant it in a context that it is a preventative measure.
I just asked to see where they said it.

From your post it seemed like you were levelling that accusation at them, that they themselves did say that.

Well, I didn't say a claim was made about veganism fighting cancer though they do have this little endorsement on their site:

‘Twin chefs David and Stephen Flynn have developed a delicious, oil-free plant-based eating program. For those who transition to this lifestyle it will be the end of heart disease, obesity, hypertension, diabetes, stroke, and a host of other common chronic killing diseases. It is a revolution for all.’

– Dr Caldwell B. Esselstyn, author of Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease and one of the men behind Bill Clinton’s move to a plant-based diet.

That's a pretty big claim to stamp on your site.

As for the "fighting cancer" bit that's on the description of their products, it's the implication that rather than helping the body to fight cancer or in recovery of cancer it's that the product(s) themselves do the heavy-lifting with their ingredients.

It's a common marketing ploy that's vague enough so many people often take it up like this, it's irresponsible.

Effects · 25-05-2016 03:56PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

That's a pretty big claim to stamp on your site.

It is a pretty big claim. But it also seems to be from a doctor, not the twins themselves. I'll have a look into him when I have time.

Arsemageddon · 25-05-2016 05:03PM

Effects wrote: »

It is a pretty big claim. But it also seems to be from a doctor, not the twins themselves. I'll have a look into him when I have time.

It's a big claim, that's for sure, but there is hardly any hard scientific evidence to back it up. When something seems to be too good to be true then it probabaly is.

Dr. Esselstyn is a real doctor, but his medical trial to prove his hypothesis consisted of just 17 patients who also happened to be using cholesterol lowering drugs. This number of patients is far too low to draw any firm conclusions.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/bill-clintons-diet/

If you want to understand how scientific data is supposed to be used and how it is simplified and misused to sell us bullsh1t you could read Dr. Ben Goldacre's book Bad Science or look through his series of articles for the Guardian or his website.
http://www.badscience.net/
https://www.theguardian.com/science/series/badscience

Here's a good guide to why claims that something must be good for you because it is natural are usually rubbish...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

25-05-2016 05:56PM

Effects wrote: »

It is a pretty big claim. But it also seems to be from a doctor, not the twins themselves. I'll have a look into him when I have time.

""It is a very popular mix that is excellent for fighting off not only cancer cells but other diseases as well. ""

The above is from the Hero Mix Sprouts . Either they are completely deluded or cynically trying to exploit gullible people.

foggy_lad · 25-05-2016 06:16PM

bigpink wrote: »

So these guys were meathead jocks but now veggie gurus

Jedward and Donal Skeehan had an orgy and these two are the result:eek:

Lyaiera · 25-05-2016 06:38PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Jedward and Donal Skeehan had an orgy and these two are the result:eek:

Them lot couldn't find a Mickey at Disneyland.

25-05-2016 08:09PM

Arsemageddon wrote: »

If you want to understand how scientific data is supposed to be used and how it is simplified and misused to sell us bullsh1t you could read Dr. Ben Goldacre's book Bad Science or look through his series of articles for the Guardian or his website.
http://www.badscience.net/
https://www.theguardian.com/science/series/badscience

Here's a good guide to why claims that something must be good for you because it is natural are usually rubbish...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

Afair it was Goldacre who pretty much picked apart the credentials of Gillian McKeith, another who made lots of money peddling generic feel good nonsense to the gullible.

ted1 · 25-05-2016 08:37PM

seoulone wrote: »

My good god, I actually really like the restaurant and love their basil pesto (I also agree that it's really easy to make) but this TED talk has boiled my blood. They spent so many years travelling, came back and just bought a greengrocers (yeah right, nobody can do all of that without a lot of financial help). They had a lot of money behind them for sure, and that's great but there are so many people who would love to do this and are simply too busy working really hard in a job they don't like to even try something like this.I do, however, agree with them on living your dream or at least really really trying your hardest. I am kind of stunned after listening to the talk, thanks for posting though

It's actually quite Easy to buy a business like that if you have a good plan. If it's empty do a year rent free for the year and a percentage of the profits the an option to buy in year two.
Some of my friends have done that.

milehip · 25-05-2016 11:30PM

ted1 wrote: »

It's actually quite Easy to buy a business like that if you have a good plan. If it's empty do a year rent free for the year and a percentage of the profits the an option to buy in year two.
Some of my friends have done that.

Never heard of that,What if the business runs at a loss the 1st year as I'd imagine most if them do, owner would want to be pretty desperate for a Tennant and going through their plan with a fine tooth comb.

Arsemageddon · 26-05-2016 12:09AM

ted1 wrote: »

It's actually quite Easy to buy a business like that if you have a good plan. If it's empty do a year rent free for the year and a percentage of the profits the an option to buy in year two.
Some of my friends have done that.

My arse it's easy.

Without cash or access to funding you can forget about it.

Maireadio · 26-05-2016 06:25AM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I genuinely have no idea who these guys are, sounds like they're doing well for themselves though? Fair play to them I suppose.

My sentiments exactly. Watched the LLS clip. They're kind of annoying but I'll likely never have any encounter with them so who cares?

Luno wrote: »

They are charging extortionate amounts for 'weekly veg. boxes', which look like they are made up of the Super Six from Aldi. Other than that don't have a problem with them.

Oh gawd, one of them is a 'Liver Detox' box; now that's faddy. If your liver isn't able to detox by itself, it's a hospital you need, not a "veg box".

Maireadio · 26-05-2016 06:40AM

mimimcmc wrote: »

35 or 36 apparently.. I had to look it up and I don't think they look good for their age..

Yep, they look their age. What do people thing 35/36 looks like?

26-05-2016 06:52AM

2011 wrote: »

I got talking to them because I was doing some electrical work for them...

Ah.

You worked for them?

Don't think you specified that earlier in the thread when you were alleging begrudgery. Think you said you knew them and passed their shop, you may have forgotten just how close you were.

As a matter of interest, would you have any qualms at all about their claim that their products help fight cancer cells? To me, it's so typical of the nonsense that is peddled to the gullible, and was precisely the type of patent crap I was referring to when I spoke of lack of qualifications being no impediment in that "selling a lifestyle" market. Because for all the handstands, and even the crack you spoke of, they really should be wary of such claims, shouldn't they? I mean, they don't have any medical qualifications whatsoever, much less a particular expertise in oncology.

L'prof · 26-05-2016 06:56AM

Just had a look at one of their 5 minute meals there on YouTube - Spag Bol. The food looks good and I may even give it a go myself but I couldn't watch too many of their videos!

ted1 · 27-05-2016 10:32AM

Arsemageddon wrote: »

My arse it's easy.

Without cash or access to funding you can forget about it.

It's easier than you think especially if the premise is owned by an individual

ted1 · 27-05-2016 10:35AM

milehip wrote: »

Never heard of that,What if the business runs at a loss the 1st year as I'd imagine most if them do, owner would want to be pretty desperate for a Tennant and going through their plan with a fine tooth comb.

Then they get booted out and he tries to sell it on the open market.

I have had friends do it in the past.

edanto · 27-05-2016 10:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mung beans.

Mung beans contains something or other that fights cancer at a cellular level.

https://thehappypear.ie/our-products/

That seems to me to be a pretty remarkable claim. Yes, I can understand the benefits of a healthy diet in keeping up ones health and strength during treatment for cancer...but in terms of actually reversing cancer...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

But hey, they do the handstands and they got the shorts and the granola is called "Cool Jim's"...

Hi Conor,

I appreciate that you're on a high horse there with a fine sense of 'wow I've proved something in After Hours' and I'm conscious that a previous poster that called out your angry style was cautioned so I'll avoid that tempting prospect.

Since you're fairly rigorous in demanding other people's qualifications (yet suspiciously silent about your own) I can tell you that I've worked in cancer research for a few years, and have a biotech degree.

The reason for engaging with you is simply to address the falsehood I've quoted above in the hope that your error won't cause other people to avoid the healthy lifestyle that the twins are recommending (free of charge) to thousands of people. Frankly, I couldn't give a sh1t what you want to put into your body, you appear to be a lost cause.

There is evidence that mung bean extract has anti-tumour properties.

You appear to be unable to find it - so I'll direct you here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3899625/ where you can search for the (US spelling) antitumor and find the line

Science wrote:

Mung beans have been shown to exert antitumor effects through several different mechanisms.

You'll also be aware that there is an excellent contra analysis of the massive China study which called into question the original conclusions and of course research is ongoing.

But this thread is not just about the healthiness or not of a vegan/wholefood diet.

It is about either respecting or dis-respecting two lads that are running a business. You have no idea how to properly assess this situation, you're blatantly unaware of the marketing context in their vertical and you are floundering on the nutritional science aspect.

Would it kill you to give their hard work some respect?

Would eating less meat and more fruit and vegetables let you live a bit longer? I think the answer on that one is clear.

Is that prospect a good or bad thing for the world? The answer is in your hands and your head. You're at a cross-roads in your day, you can either stay on the same path or start being a bit nicer to people and feel the joy of giving instead of the emptiness of taking.

27-05-2016 10:40AM

edanto wrote: »

Frankly, I couldn't give a sh1t what you want to put into your body, you appear to be a lost cause

I gave up here, because evidently you're very riled up with the personal stuff. Good man yourself!

I fully accept what you say. You're a top cancer guy and beans kill cancer cells 'cos of the China study. That's why oncologists all say eat the beans.

edanto · 27-05-2016 10:45AM

Like I say, my post was not intended to be of any benefit to you, just other visitors that might accidentally think you were right.

Maybe have a short break and keep reading the rest of the post. Either way, I'll not see anything else you post, feel free to take it personally.

27-05-2016 11:27AM

edanto wrote: »

Hi Conor,

The reason for engaging with you is simply to address the falsehood I've quoted above in the hope that your error won't cause other people to avoid the healthy lifestyle that the twins are recommending (free of charge) to thousands of people. Frankly, I couldn't give a sh1t what you want to put into your body, you appear to be a lost cause.

There is evidence that mung bean extract has anti-tumour properties.

You appear to be unable to find it - so I'll direct you here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3899625/ where you can search for the (US spelling) antitumor and find the line

You'll also be aware that there is an excellent contra analysis of the massive China study which called into question the original conclusions and of course research is ongoing.

Evidence of Mung Bean extract having anti-proliferative effects on estrogen receptor positive breast cancer cells does not mean that a person with hormone dependent breast cancer could kill those cancer cells with Happy Pear Mung Beans which I'm sure you know as a biochemist.

So what exactly is the falsehood you are addressing?

27-05-2016 11:32AM

edanto wrote: »

Like I say, my post was not intended to be of any benefit to you, just other visitors that might accidentally think you were right.

Maybe have a short break and keep reading the rest of the post. Either way, I'll not see anything else you post, feel free to take it personally.

https://thehappypear.ie/product/hero-mix-sprouts-100g/

As a biochemist / scientist you are not even the slightest bit uncomfortable with the following??

"It is a very popular mix that is excellent for fighting off not only cancer cells but other diseases as well."

edanto · 27-05-2016 11:32AM

Conor pooh poohed that mung beans had any anti-cancer effect at all. There is of course a difference between anti-tumour and anti-cancer; but the point is that his fist-shaking "bullsh1t" was wrong. All the preventative cancer research advices people to eat more fruit and veg, to eat foods with anti oxidant properties.

If I get cancer, I won't be going to the Happy Pear for some mung beans, don't get me wrong. I'll be going straight to an oncologist and doing exactly what they recommend.

My plan is simply to follow the HP health and nutrition advise to try and reduce my chances of C. And I think that's the type of businesses in our community that we should encourage.

edanto · 27-05-2016 11:34AM

jh79 wrote: »

https://thehappypear.ie/product/hero-mix-sprouts-100g/

As a biochemist / scientist you are not even the slightest bit uncomfortable with the following??

"It is a very popular mix that is excellent for fighting off not only cancer cells but other diseases as well."

Yes I think it's terribly written and probably un-provable. I have no control over their website. I am supporting them generally, not saying that every word they say is perfect.

edanto · 27-05-2016 11:35AM

I have to leave the thread for a long journey, will check in later. Interesting to chat to you jh79

27-05-2016 11:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah.

You worked for them?

Don't think you specified that earlier in the thread when you were alleging begrudgery. Think you said you knew them and passed their shop, you may have forgotten just how close you were.

I didn't forget a thing, your clutching at straws

To put it in context: I did one or two days work for them over ten years ago at a time that I worked as an electrician (I no longer work in this role), that was it. Sorry to disappoint.

You need to stop getting so worked up about other people's success.
So what if they make money from promoting and selling healthy food?

The Happy Pears twins

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