Natural Selection

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 10:28PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

We're talking about out the same HSE. So some of your best friends are black, I mean manual labourers... So what if some people complain about H&S? Sometimes it's a pain in the are, and it's one of the best things humans have ever implemented. I've worked on building sites and was very grateful that I had steel toecap boots and a helmet.

Yes many of my friends are black, white, and what ever other colour or race you want to class them by, I don't give a f, where people come from or what their religion is, colour skin etc.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No offence but this is a completely unnatural reaction to death of close family members. Not saying you're not telling the truth, but the reaction you're describing is not normal. Could you take my word for it that most people get really upset for months after someone close to them dies. Some people never get over the death of a loved one. H&S prevents unnecessary deaths and unnecessary suffering.

It's the way I deal with. I get some people cannot get their heads straight and moan for weeks and try to get time off work while very important deals are happening. Royal pain if you ask me. I took zero days off when similar events happened, hell, it was bonus session!

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Now you've ignored the original point about paying for health. Should the drunk driver's victim be treated in hospital? What kind of natural selection you're talking about?

Health insurance is there to protect one from the actions of others who are lesser. The victim should be treated if he/she/it(have to be pc) survive, if they die, well bad luck.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On an aside, why is there a justice system in your natural selection world? Wouldn't it be better if the strong just killed off the weak?

Wouldn't be great for moral, the guilty should be given simple tasks they cannot screw up. Would be the most straight forward solution

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You missed my point but again you wanted to talk about punishment instead of restoring the victim to health.

Ps. The point I made about victim blaming is that people blame the victim as a means to distance themselves from the possibility of the event happening to them. Eg the woman was raped because she was wearing... or was drunk or was asking for it. The subtext is that it couldn't happen to you because you wouldn't wear... or be so drunk or ask for it.

Your scenario assumes that people who have industrial accidents are worthy of their injuries because they're stupid and deserve natural selection to tske uts course. That wouldn't happen to you of course because...

Of course it wouldn't, I don't work in an industrial environment but I drive etc. As far the drunk, cloths, asking for it question, I do drink and I don't wear mini skirts (Girls wear skirts and Scottish men sometimes wear kilts, I am neither a girl or Scottish).

DontThankMe · 23-05-2016 10:30PM

We should create or own Colosseum here in Ireland, with the long term dole scroungers fighting to the death as gladiators. The victor gets to keep his dole and loser will save the government a few euro on social welfare expenditure. It may also encourage people to seek out employment instead of having to fight to the death for their dole.

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 10:30PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I was in the HSE headquarters in Bootle, outside Liverpool, only a couple of weeks ago. The walls in the main hall are lined with famous industrial accidents and the numbers of people who died. Mine collapses, pump stations explosion, London underground fire.

If you worked in a mine, and the mine collapsed and you died because there are no standards, how was natural selection served? You didn't cause the collapse.

You don't really know what natural selection is, do you?

I do, if the above accident happened it would be my bad luck and that would be that. I wouldn't care any ways because I would be dead and there would certainly be no one on earth who wouldn't get over it with a few beers and be back to work the next day

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 10:31PM

DontThankMe wrote: »

We should create or own Colosseum here in Ireland, with the long term dole scroungers fighting to the death as gladiators. The victor gets to keep his dole and loser will save the government a few euro on social welfare expenditure. It may also encourage people to seek out employment instead of having to fight to the death for their dole.

I like your thinking...
Might be a good spectator sport

El_Duderino 09 · 23-05-2016 10:37PM

Burger Please wrote:

Yes many of my friends are black, white, and what ever other colour or race you want to class them by, I don't give a f, where people come from or what their religion is, colour skin etc.

Missing the point poster, missed the point.

Burger Please wrote:

It's the way I deal with. I get some people cannot get their heads straight and moan for weeks and try to get time off work while very important deals are happening. Royal pain if you ask me. I took zero days off when similar events happened, hell, it was bonus session!

Bonus?

On an aside, sociopaths are about 1% of the population. You could be 1/100 OP. You culd be nonplussed about that too.

Burger Please wrote:

Health insurance is there to protect one from the actions of others who are lesser. The victim should be treated if he/she/it(have to be pc) survive, if they die, well bad luck.

'Others who are lesser [...] have to be PC...'

Burger Please wrote:

Wouldn't be great for moral, the guilty should be given simple tasks they cannot screw up. Would be the most straight forward solution

Yes but it's only a temporary solution. You need a more long term solution. A solution with finality... a final solution, perhaps?

Burger Please wrote:

Of course it wouldn't, I don't work in an industrial environment but I drive etc. As far the drunk, cloths, asking for it question, I do drink and I don't wear mini skirts (Girls wear skirts and Scottish men sometimes wear kilts, I am neither a girl or Scottish).

Missing the point poster, misses the point again.

kupus · 23-05-2016 10:41PM

Burger Please wrote: »

By HSE I am referring to the health and safety executive. I do not work in a manual job, but know may who do and are very good at their profession and have many complaints regarding H&S.

I have lost many close to me, in fact I one of the only one of my direct family alive, only child you see. Some deaths were natural some not, that is the way of the world, no point crying over spilt milk.

Being hit by a drink driver is different, the drink driver should be severely punished.

As for your first case, that is very circumstantial, however should their be clear cut evidence and not a crying in court verdict then the guilty should be neutered.

Burger Please wrote: »

Again have seen the results of family members accidents first hand, what is done is done. Suck it up, move on and be more careful than they were!

It looks like you've too much common sense for this place, the nanny state snowflakes here will go on a meltdown....

And for the record H&S is the biggest con job since the telecom eireann stock market con job.

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 10:44PM

I am not a sociopath, I do not take pleasure in the suffering of others. I just do not like them to cost me, be it tax, wasting my time etc.

And Bonus session overrides all. BTW I don't need a final solution, I won't be around that long.

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 10:44PM

I am not a sociopath, I do not take pleasure in the suffering of others. I just do not like them to cost me, be it tax, wasting my time etc.

And Bonus session overrides all. BTW I don't need a final solution, I won't be around that long.

kowloon · 23-05-2016 10:50PM

How far are you willing to take this natural selection thing? Could you show a small bit of compassion and smash in my head with a rock rather than leave me die over a few days?

El_Duderino 09 · 23-05-2016 11:06PM

Burger Please wrote:

I am not a sociopath, I do not take pleasure in the suffering of others. I just do not like them to cost me, be it tax, wasting my time etc.

Sociopaths don't necessarily take pleasure in the suffering of others. They lack the empathy to care about the suffering of others or the impact that suffering can cause on others.

Thusly

Burger Please wrote:

It's the way I deal with. I get some people cannot get their heads straight and moan for weeks and try to get time off work while very important deals are happening. Royal pain if you ask me. I took zero days off when similar events happened, hell, it was bonus session!

And sociopaths have a grandiose sense if self worth, sometimes they see others as 'lesser'. See if you can spot that sentiment in the quote below...

Burger Please wrote:

Health insurance is there to protect one from the actions of others who are lesser. The victim should be treated if he/she/it(have to be pc) survive, if they die, well bad luck.

That's enough of that.

RDM_83 again · 23-05-2016 11:34PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I was in the HSE headquarters in Bootle, outside Liverpool, only a couple of weeks ago. The walls in the main hall are lined with famous industrial accidents and the numbers of people who died. Mine collapses, pump stations explosion, London underground fire.

If you worked in a mine, and the mine collapsed and you died because there are no standards, how was natural selection served? You didn't cause the collapse.

You don't really know what natural selection is, do you?

Have you worked on a major infrastructure site in the last couple of years, the health and safety can be extremely over the top and at times make very little sense if you think about it.

Examples- mandatory gloves all times with people being called up on it- thing is because we needed to be able to write we ended up wearing thin plastic ones, therefore if allowed to do that abrasion isn't the hazard, we could also wear weave gloves so expose to COSHH/Biologicals isn't a hazard.

Similar with goggles

Putting in elaborate fall protection in work areas for drops of like 0.4 meters that mean your banging of scaffolding the entire time

Simply because something is rail/electric project full high vis leaves trousers for rail) insulated for electric even if the project is 1st stages and there might not be a machine or cables in miles and the temperatures could be 35C so heat stroke is a real risk.

Mandatory briefings each morning covering the same material every single fcuking day.

Drug testing so the person that has a joint on a saturday afternoon in the park is screwed but the guys who binge on coke on a friday then work a 60 hour week is fine (actually simply the high working hours in general by some operatives).

Being told to report everything no matter how minor by management, people do this, get a load of sh-t because the accident rate is now apparently high.

At the same time work practices that will eventually screw you up after 5-10 years of doing the job are fine because it won't land the contractor in any trouble.

All this petty minor stuff but at the same time you can do the CSCS and SAFEPASS in foreign languages so you can end up with a banksman/topman who you can't communicate with.

I'm completely onboard with proper health and safety but depending who the main contractor is its not about health and safety its a weapon against employees, can be seen by when they want us off site they ramp up the health and safety inspections.

jigglypuffstuff · 24-05-2016 12:44AM

So OP.... when do you start your new job as bus driver?

Rothko · 24-05-2016 01:53AM

DontThankMe wrote: »

We should create or own Colosseum here in Ireland, with the long term dole scroungers fighting to the death as gladiators. The victor gets to keep his dole and loser will save the government a few euro on social welfare expenditure. It may also encourage people to seek out employment instead of having to fight to the death for their dole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

El_Duderino 09 · 24-05-2016 07:04AM

RDM_83 again wrote:

I'm completely onboard with proper health and safety but depending who the main contractor is its not about health and safety its a weapon against employees, can be seen by when they want us off site they ramp up the health and safety inspections.

Of it becomes impractical then it ought to be amended. But it should not be done away with, as the OP suggested.

24-05-2016 07:25AM

Burger Please wrote: »

Health insurance is there to protect one from the actions of others who are lesser...

Ironic given the OP, but the thread is dull of car crash stuff like this.

The OP speaks a lot about people who are greater or lesser. I think one thing that always points to lesser is where a person is way out if his or her depth but keeps wading on...and clearly doesn't have the self awareness to spot it.

Capt'n Midnight · 24-05-2016 11:46PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What's the question?

OP was wondering it would take for us to evolve from being creatures able to cope with running speed to being able to navigate traffic at the velocity of a velocipede and maybe we'd develop thicker skulls thus ending the helmet debate.

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