Natural Selection

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 09:37PM #1

I have a simple, yet important question.

Why is it that we as humans, (or at lease some of us) cannot simply let natural selection take place as nature intended it without the nanny state and high hiz HSE getting in the way.

For example, a cyclist breaks red lights and gets flattened by a car or bus, that is simply the weaker and more stupid dying off and perhaps others may learn from seeing the incident.

Another example is all those people in high viz simply "keeping everyone safe" around the luas works. Others should simply be careful and if one or two people die in the process then it may makes others more careful.

I cannot figure this out, it's not as if there are not already enough humans in the world!

Paz-CCFC · 23-05-2016 09:42PM

Ah, death by high tech cars and trams, just as nature has intended for millennia.

One eyed Jack · 23-05-2016 09:42PM

What's the question?

kneemos · 23-05-2016 09:42PM

Compassionate sort ain't ya?

arse..biscuits · 23-05-2016 09:43PM

If you can die from touching a peanut, god doesn't want you to live.

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 09:45PM

To be fair, if my taxes could be reduced by reducing the spending on health and safety and nanny state campaigns, I am all for it, even if some don't fair out so well!

ShiddyArze · 23-05-2016 09:47PM

I trust that when you are in agony, on your deathbed with some nasty disease, You will refuse all medical help?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 23-05-2016 09:49PM

OP, that piece shows a complete ignorance of what 'natural selection' means.

Summer wind · 23-05-2016 09:49PM

Maybe it's because to the world you may be just one person, but to one person you may be the world:)

One eyed Jack · 23-05-2016 09:49PM

Burger Please wrote: »

To be fair, if my taxes could be reduced by reducing the spending on health and safety and nanny state campaigns, I am all for it, even if some don't fair out so well!

That's an argument though that could come back to bite you. The more people who are bumped off early, the more taxes you end up paying for the risk averse pricks!

El_Duderino 09 · 23-05-2016 09:49PM

Just for the record, this is a classic case of blame the victim. It's less controversial than the classic rape cases where people like to blame the victim, but it's the same thing.

OP I'll take a stab and predict that you've never lost someone close to you, you don't work in a manual job, you have completely taken for granted the danger that the team world presents and the safety given to you be the HSE.

What about the people who are ht by a drink driver? Their own fault I suppose?

wokingvoter · 23-05-2016 09:50PM

Burger Please wrote: »

I have a simple, yet important question.

Why is it that we as humans, (or at lease some of us) cannot simply let natural selection take place as nature intended it without the nanny state and high hiz HSE getting in the way.

For example, a cyclist breaks red lights and gets flattened by a car or bus, that is simply the weaker and more stupid dying off and perhaps others may learn from seeing the incident.

Another example is all those people in high viz simply "keeping everyone safe" around the luas works. Others should simply be careful and if one or two people die in the process then it may makes others more careful.

I cannot figure this out, it's not as if there are not already enough humans in the world!

Imagine your beloved close family member is distracted for one second while crossing the road, say blinded by sunlight, and is smashed into the ground by a 3 ton truck.
You've been brought to the morgue to identify her cold bloodied still dead body.
Are you going to stand there, shrug , and say to the orderly "that's natural selection for ya" before strolling away nonchalantly ?

Xaracatz · 23-05-2016 09:50PM

If God wanted us to wear hi viz, we would have been born with a shiny vest on our backs.

Some flashing lights on our sides wouldn't go amiss. Well, unless we were trying to hide from predators at night.

And the power of invisibility. That would be cool.

Anyway, to return to the point, if God wanted me to respond properly to an OP, he would have given me a better attention span.

Coopaloop · 23-05-2016 09:52PM

I thought those 'high viz guys' were checking for people who hadn't bought a ticket??? But yeah I hear ya,we should just let people walk under buses and the like, shame on them for being so "careless"!!!! ðŸ˜

kneemos · 23-05-2016 09:55PM

Xaracatz wrote: »

If God wanted us to wear hi viz, we would have been born with a shiny vest on our backs.

Some flashing lights on our sides wouldn't go amiss. Well, unless we were trying to hide from predators at night.

And the power of invisibility. That would be cool.

Anyway, to return to the point, if God wanted me to respond properly to an OP, he would have given me a better attention span.

If God didn't want you to fall over he (yes he) would have given you four legs.

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 09:56PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Just for the record, this is a classic case of blame the victim. It's less controversial than the classic rape cases where people like to blame the victim, but it's the same thing.

OP I'll take a stab and predict that you've never lost someone close to you, you don't work in a manual job, you have completely taken for granted the danger that the team world presents and the safety given to you be the HSE.

What about the people who are ht by a drink driver? Their own fault I suppose?

By HSE I am referring to the health and safety executive. I do not work in a manual job, but know may who do and are very good at their profession and have many complaints regarding H&S.

I have lost many close to me, in fact I one of the only one of my direct family alive, only child you see. Some deaths were natural some not, that is the way of the world, no point crying over spilt milk.

Being hit by a drink driver is different, the drink driver should be severely punished.

As for your first case, that is very circumstantial, however should their be clear cut evidence and not a crying in court verdict then the guilty should be neutered.

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 09:57PM

wokingvoter wrote: »

Imagine your beloved close family member is distracted for one second while crossing the road, say blinded by sunlight, and is smashed into the ground by a 3 ton truck.
You've been brought to the morgue to identify her cold bloodied still dead body.
Are you going to stand there, shrug , and say to the orderly "that's natural selection for ya" before strolling away nonchalantly ?

Again have seen the results of family members accidents first hand, what is done is done. Suck it up, move on and be more careful than they were!

wokingvoter · 23-05-2016 10:00PM

Burger Please wrote: »

By HSE I am referring to the health and safety executive. I do not work in a manual job, but know may who do and are very good at their profession and have many complaints regarding H&S.

I have lost many close to me, in fact I one of the only one of my direct family alive, only child you see. Some deaths were natural some not, that is the way of the world, no point crying over spilt milk.

Being hit by a drink driver is different, the drink driver should be severely punished.

As for your first case, that is very circumstantial, however should their be clear cut evidence and not a crying in court verdict then the guilty should be neutered.

This doesn't make any sense. It's gibberish. I put a scenario to you. I'd really like if you could even try to answer the question ?

wokingvoter · 23-05-2016 10:07PM

Burger Please wrote: »

Again have seen the results of family members accidents first hand, what is done is done. Suck it up, move on and be more careful than they were!

So you have experienced the accidental death of a family member who you were close to, and your reaction was to just suck it up and muse that what's done is done.
You must be highly bemused when you see news reports of grief stricken families at funerals following tragic house fires and such like. It was , after all , they're own fault that the house went up in flames. All the kids are dead, so what? what the f**k are they crying about?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 23-05-2016 10:08PM

Burger Please wrote: »

By HSE I am referring to the health and safety executive. I do not work in a manual job, but know may who do and are very good at their profession and have many complaints regarding H&S.

I have lost many close to me, in fact I one of the only one of my direct family alive, only child you see. Some deaths were natural some not, that is the way of the world, no point crying over spilt milk.

Being hit by a drink driver is different, the drink driver should be severely punished.

As for your first case, that is very circumstantial, however should their be clear cut evidence and not a crying in court verdict then the guilty should be neutered.

HSA. Authority A. A.
By your own standards you have fallen short on natural section.

tomwaterford · 23-05-2016 10:11PM

Burger Please wrote: »

By HSE I am referring to the health and safety executive. I do not work in a manual job, but know may who do and are very good at their profession and have many complaints regarding H&S.

I have lost many close to me, in fact I one of the only one of my direct family alive, only child you see. Some deaths were natural some not, that is the way of the world, no point crying over spilt milk.

Being hit by a drink driver is different, the drink driver should be severely punished.

As for your first case, that is very circumstantial, however should their be clear cut evidence and not a crying in court verdict then the guilty should be neutered.

Why are we neutering guilty people?

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 10:13PM

wokingvoter wrote: »

So you have experienced the accidental death of a family member who you were close to, and your reaction was to just suck it up and muse that what's done is done.
You must be highly bemused when you see news reports of grief stricken families at funerals following tragic house fires and such like. It was , after all , they're own fault that the house went up in flames. All the kids are dead, so what? what the f**k are they crying about?

Precisely, if I was to feel bad for them ever day it would not help me or them or those around me.

In your example case, what would crying achieve, utilize your home insurance if you can. Be thankful they got out alive!

El_Duderino 09 · 23-05-2016 10:14PM

Burger Please wrote:

By HSE I am referring to the health and safety executive. I do not work in a manual job, but know may who do and are very good at their profession and have many complaints regarding H&S.

We're talking about out the same HSE. So some of your best friends are black, I mean manual labourers... So what if some people complain about H&S? Sometimes it's a pain in the are, and it's one of the best things humans have ever implemented. I've worked on building sites and was very grateful that I had steel toecap boots and a helmet.

Burger Please wrote:

I have lost many close to me, in fact I one of the only one of my direct family alive, only child you see. Some deaths were natural some not, that is the way of the world, no point crying over spilt milk.

No offence but this is a completely unnatural reaction to death of close family members. Not saying you're not telling the truth, but the reaction you're describing is not normal. Could you take my word for it that most people get really upset for months after someone close to them dies. Some people never get over the death of a loved one. H&S prevents unnecessary deaths and unnecessary suffering.

Burger Please wrote:

Being hit by a drink driver is different, the drink driver should be severely punished.

Now you've ignored the original point about paying for health. Should the drunk driver's victim be treated in hospital? What kind of natural selection you're talking about?

On an aside, why is there a justice system in your natural selection world? Wouldn't it be better if the strong just killed off the weak?

Burger Please wrote:

As for your first case, that is very circumstantial, however should their be clear cut evidence and not a crying in court verdict then the guilty should be neutered.

You missed my point but again you wanted to talk about punishment instead of restoring the victim to health.

Ps. The point I made about victim blaming is that people blame the victim as a means to distance themselves from the possibility of the event happening to them. Eg the woman was raped because she was wearing... or was drunk or was asking for it. The subtext is that it couldn't happen to you because you wouldn't wear... or be so drunk or ask for it.

Your scenario assumes that people who have industrial accidents are worthy of their injuries because they're stupid and deserve natural selection to tske uts course. That wouldn't happen to you of course because...

Burger Please · 23-05-2016 10:15PM

Damon Nutty Skepticism wrote: »

HSA. Authority A. A.
By your own standards you have fallen short on natural section.

You never asked where I was from

: http://www.hse.gov.uk/

Granted I am a brit but due to a project at work I am essentially stuck in Ireland for a year!

HardenendMan · 23-05-2016 10:19PM

It is actually BECAUSE OF natural selection that we don't let whatever will be will be. Our brains evolved so much that we began to feel empathy and illogical bonds with each other.

kneemos · 23-05-2016 10:21PM

Burger Please wrote: »

You never asked where I was from : http://www.hse.gov.uk/

Granted I am a brit but due to a project at work I am essentially stuck in Ireland for a year!

You were posting here two years ago?

Barry Badrinath · 23-05-2016 10:23PM

Burger Please wrote: »

You never asked where I was from : http://www.hse.gov.uk/

Granted I am a brit but due to a project at work I am essentially stuck in Ireland for a year!

If you want a chip for your burger, check your shoulder.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-05-2016 10:24PM

Burger Please wrote:

You never asked where I was from :

I was in the HSE headquarters in Bootle, outside Liverpool, only a couple of weeks ago. The walls in the main hall are lined with famous industrial accidents and the numbers of people who died. Mine collapses, pump stations explosion, London underground fire.

If you worked in a mine, and the mine collapsed and you died because there are no standards, how was natural selection served? You didn't cause the collapse.

You don't really know what natural selection is, do you?

Annasopra · 23-05-2016 10:24PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What's the question?

Why cant we destoroy the weak and poor?

wokingvoter · 23-05-2016 10:26PM

Burger Please wrote: »

Precisely, if I was to feel bad for them ever day it would not help me or them or those around me.

In your example case, what would crying achieve, utilize your home insurance if you can. Be thankful they got out alive!

I'm not asking you to fee sorry for people on the TV , people unknown to you, who have had a horrific life event ( although most humans do).
I am asking you to imagine that your children have been killed in a house fire.
It's ok though youve explained that you would would feel that crying would achieve nothing, and you would be pleased with yourself that you were careful enough to have bought house insurance, so your material belongings would be restored and you could put a roof over them.
I have no idea what you mean by "be thankful they got out alive!" Who?!?

Junkyard Tom · 23-05-2016 10:27PM

Hitler.

Natural Selection

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